What a strategy from the president to start talking about opening the parliament 18 July what is he hiding ? His not telling us what on his mind about ppl of South Africa what are the changes from the past 30 years . I smell a bombshell
In europe people want to be entrepreneurs or and succesful in hong kong they want to be investment bankers and in africa they wanna be politicians everyone only talk about politics all day long haha
@@ladylelep.1946 You prefer it like that? bro these people become corrupt officials and it’s obvious they all talk politics because those are sh*thole countries
Not true! The major parties have known for years that coalition governance was coming. They had ample time to prepare themselves! The VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN ... now the servants must obey!
IFP, AS A WHITE SOUTH AFRICAN, I AM SO PROUD OF YOU AND I CANNOT STOP THINKING OF MR BUTHULEZI, HOW HE WORKED FOR THIS COUNTRY AND HIS PARTY AND WHAT FANTASTIC DAY IT WOULD BE FOR HIM IF HE WAS STILL WITH US. I ALWAYS HAD RESPECT FOR MR BUTHULEZI AND HIS PARTY. MR BUTHULEZI WAS A WONDERFUL INDIVIDUAL, ALWAYS SOFT SPOKEN❤WELL ALL HIS HARD WORK OF THE YEARS SHOWING SWEET FRUIT NOW❤
Wow, this is the best thing I have heard so far in as how the GNU should work. Everybody working together in each ministry. ANC keeping the DA honest and DA keeping the ANC honest. The ANC can make sure the DA takes care of the poor, true unity. I cant see why anyone would find fault with that.
Wait until those who are drunk on their blackness see the interview or your comment, then you can tell me if your statement still holds true. By the way, I agree with you 💯 %
How capable are the ANC in repairing our country? Zuma and Ramaposa destroyed it now need help of the GNU to fix it, if they allow. Just look at all the Zondo Commission comprised ministers that have gone back to parliament even a minister charged with corruption.
A brilliant level headed talk, thanks Dr Ongama Mtimka! If we get this GNU working in tandem we the citizens should see a vast improvement across our country.
Dr Ongona IFP is a symbol of desperation....they needed these guys to help them with Premier position in KZN.. At a national level they are not bothered
IFP just needs to get KZN back to it's former glory and we who didn't not vote for IFP wouldn't care we just want things to work happy that there is change
Is this really the Professor is aware that there is nothing historical here? The only thing is that the ANC has lost its majority. Subsequent to that, it handed over power to the party that dislikes their policies. The DA has long ago said that it will be working with the Government of Ramaphosa. There is nothing special about this arrangement. The only thing is that Ramaphosa keeps his end of bargain.
The problem with us as South Africans to wait to applaud and think water and oil will ever mix one day. The country was fought for and people died....we need to proceed to major decisions cautiously and not to force things for the sake of political positions...
Dr Ongama Mtimka well said hit the nail on the head and IFP very mature honest President and Christian as he said forgive move on and national unity let’s pray together forgive and move on and find common grounds to build a better prosperous South Africa for the future of youth and children
“Leon is saying stop the nonsense, you guys did not win the election. He is saying to the ANC, we have agreed that we will support if you give us positions (in Cabinet) so stick to that,” said Seepe.
DA won't walk away from GNU because they have already made a deal with Ramaphosa not ANC, now they are just staging with public letters, we are not fools
GNU eliminates the political concept of OPPOSITION..No opposing as the Parliament work together to debate laws and pass instruments to be executed by the Executive.. In a perfect and fully practiced GNU , ALL elected Political Parties enter into a Power -sharing-- arrangements of the Executive proportionate to their elected vote percentage...and this must include all ,not a coalition of few parties. National unity government, government of national unity (GNU), or national union government is a broad coalition government consisting of all parties (or all major parties) in the legislature, usually formed during a time of war or other national emergency (and indeed unemployment,poverty rates are high) A unity government according to the principles of consensus democracy lacks opposition( or opposition parties are too small and negligible) coalition government, or coalition cabinet, is a government where political parties enter a power-sharing arrangement of the executive. Coalition governments usually occur when no single party has achieved an absolute majority after an election. A party not having majority is common under proportional representation, but not in nations with majoritarian electoral systems. There are different forms of coalition governments, minority coalitions and surplus majority coalition governments. A surplus majority coalition government controls more than the absolute majority of seats in parliament necessary to have a majority in the government, whereas minority coalition governments do not hold the majority of legislative seats. A coalition government might also be created in a time of national difficulty or crisis (for example, during wartime or economic crisis) to give a government the high degree of perceived political legitimacy or collective identity, it can also play a role in diminishing internal political strife. In such times, parties have formed all-party coalitions (national unity governments, grand coalitions). If a coalition collapses, the Prime Minister and cabinet may be ousted by a vote of no confidence, call snap elections, form a new majority coalition, or continue as a minority government. The best GNU Can only be achieved when the power for executive positions is eliminated.. THE PROBLEM Here surfaces the issue of Coalition government, or coalition cabinet, is a government where political parties enter a power-sharing arrangement of the executive. This is one of the reasons complete transformation from majoritarian to GNU fails.. Why...because the Political ideology of having a One Party Majority system still lingers. Only two perfect options to perfect GNU....In considerations of current Constitutional instruments, are Let All parties be represented in the Executive by their ELECTED Vote percentage. All parties should forward their desired candidature (equaling their percentage in parliament)to the Consulting Council which is represented by all parties. Secondly and Lastly.. The best medicine to eliminate the hunger for Political Parties power struggle of Cabinet positions is to allow for All Executive positions to be applied for and Vetted by Parliament...No MP 's appointment to Executive possitions...All other inportant positions like of intelligence..police. defence...judiciary..let them be decided for by Parliament...not President..his duty just be to execute what the parliament pass as wholly debated laws and policies that are monitored by parliamet.. GNU
This sounds like magical thinking. You can't say "this might work" when there's no shared understanding of what "works" means. I'm also glad he acknowledges that the exchanges of angry letters is just political theater, to convince voters that they're not selling out. No one with a brain is fooled, and the ANC has just committed political suicide.
NEC to keep out of this, it's not their place. Are we surprised we getting nowhere? [Paul Mashatile National Chairperson Gwede Mantashe Secretary General Fikile Mbalula Deputy Secretary General Nomvula Mokonyane 2nd Deputy Secretary General Moropene Ramokgopa Treasurer General Dr Gwen Ramokgopa Treasurer General
The mistake The South African political analysts, together with some leaders, are calling the ANC and the DA without generalizing the whole parties in coalition and the gnu.
Dr. just admitted that you're not coherent with what you said. The ANC has abandoned their promise and rushed to sleep in one bed with right-wing parties. Black people should be very concerned about the way ANC is transferred back to the country to the right wing.
Communities warned ANC years back. You don't deliver services,you will sweat one day. They are sweating now. This is not a Government of National Unity. It's a coalition. ANC is forced to co govern. Government of National Unity is whereby a President chooses men and women from all spheres of Communities,in private and even in government to be assisted in governing the country.
Same as white, colored, Indian was very concerned for the past 30 years....now what happened is the outcome of that concern as well as a government that steals, are corrupted, state capture, etc. Etc. Etc...,,
@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub not at all, I really wish you would consider the facts. There are 700 000 entrants into the job market every year and the DA promises to create 2 mil jobs in 5 years, we already boast the universes highest unemployment rate...
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 I'm not interested in promises. I'm interested at what actually happens. The DA will take credit if the economy turns around in the next 5 years and that will benefit them at the polls. If it gets worse , the converse is true.
@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub it IS a first world country, for dutch settlers. Decolonising in this instance means reallignment with BRICS and like minded parties, the Dutch settlers are pro geno west and the rest of us are pro Russia and I don't see why we should have accomodate that at the expense of our patnerships.
Dr Mtimka, thank you. The media people behave like silly children and say things without thinking. Remember the motto of South Africa- !ke e: /xarra //ke- "diverse people unite".
SABC give Dr. Ongama Mtlimka a beer 🍻, this man is brilliant!.
MAKE HIM THE PRESIDENT
What a strategy from the president to start talking about opening the parliament 18 July what is he hiding ? His not telling us what on his mind about ppl of South Africa what are the changes from the past 30 years . I smell a bombshell
South Africa must have a million " political analysts"😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
In europe people want to be entrepreneurs or and succesful in hong kong they want to be investment bankers and in africa they wanna be politicians everyone only talk about politics all day long haha
I prefer it like that...diffrent voices with different perspectives... "there is wisdom in many counselors"
@@ladylelep.1946 You prefer it like that? bro these people become corrupt officials and it’s obvious they all talk politics because those are sh*thole countries
Thank you sir, for such sensible words.
Well said 100 %
So well said. Thank you
Not true! The major parties have known for years that coalition governance was coming.
They had ample time to prepare themselves!
The VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN ... now the servants must obey!
Definitely somebody who talks sense on the analysing of the situation .
Thank you .
IFP, AS A WHITE SOUTH AFRICAN, I AM SO PROUD OF YOU AND I CANNOT STOP THINKING OF MR BUTHULEZI, HOW HE WORKED FOR THIS COUNTRY AND HIS PARTY AND WHAT FANTASTIC DAY IT WOULD BE FOR HIM IF HE WAS STILL WITH US. I ALWAYS HAD RESPECT FOR MR BUTHULEZI AND HIS PARTY. MR BUTHULEZI WAS A WONDERFUL INDIVIDUAL, ALWAYS SOFT SPOKEN❤WELL ALL HIS HARD WORK OF THE YEARS SHOWING SWEET FRUIT NOW❤
🎉true, and his speeches was something else, I loved listening to him, a very sensible man.🥰‼️❣️
I have stopped listening to analyst, only for TV air time just watch RAMBO 1
Wow, this is the best thing I have heard so far in as how the GNU should work. Everybody working together in each ministry. ANC keeping the DA honest and DA keeping the ANC honest. The ANC can make sure the DA takes care of the poor, true unity. I cant see why anyone would find fault with that.
keep dreaming.
So what happens when the DA and ANC disagrees on policy ?
What happened to moonshot pack😅😅😅😅. DA played their alliances 😅😅😅
Wait until those who are drunk on their blackness see the interview or your comment, then you can tell me if your statement still holds true. By the way, I agree with you 💯 %
@@khoibrewmzansi3433 That didn't work out so now it's time to try something else.
Having an inflexible strategy doesn't get you anywhere.
IFP became a topic of an acceptance party in this GNU nobody talks about other parties why only iFP?
Ongama Mtimka 😂😂you convince me mpela
How capable are the ANC in repairing our country? Zuma and Ramaposa destroyed it now need help of the GNU to fix it, if they allow.
Just look at all the Zondo Commission comprised ministers that have gone back to parliament even a minister charged with corruption.
A brilliant level headed talk, thanks Dr Ongama Mtimka! If we get this GNU working in tandem we the citizens should see a vast improvement across our country.
Well done Dr. You seem object, fair, and optimistic. I wish all politicians could view and think and reason like you.
IFP is just trying to save its premier in KZN, they know very well that if EFF joins this coalition there will be end of that 18% premier. 😂
Dr Ongona IFP is a symbol of desperation....they needed these guys to help them with Premier position in KZN.. At a national level they are not bothered
I think their leader will get a ministerial position at a national level!
IFP just needs to get KZN back to it's former glory and we who didn't not vote for IFP wouldn't care we just want things to work happy that there is change
Ramposa sold us out. He is going to face prosecution even at the age 90 years old if he lives that long. But we will get him.
You're going to wait forever 😮
@@margaretlesoleso we will get him in 5 years
How will you get him??? Mmmmm
Sounds like a threat....
@@carolanngelderbloem3209 can you read?
Is this really the Professor is aware that there is nothing historical here? The only thing is that the ANC has lost its majority. Subsequent to that, it handed over power to the party that dislikes their policies. The DA has long ago said that it will be working with the Government of Ramaphosa. There is nothing special about this arrangement. The only thing is that Ramaphosa keeps his end of bargain.
The problem with us as South Africans to wait to applaud and think water and oil will ever mix one day. The country was fought for and people died....we need to proceed to major decisions cautiously and not to force things for the sake of political positions...
Very much so
People died but unfortunately in the last 30 years the ANC messed everything up!
Dr Ongama Mtimka well said hit the nail on the head and IFP very mature honest President and Christian as he said forgive move on and national unity let’s pray together forgive and move on and find common grounds to build a better prosperous South Africa for the future of youth and children
"Committment"
Is all honesty they all just want power, expecally the DA
“Leon is saying stop the nonsense, you guys did not win the election. He is saying to the ANC, we have agreed that we will support if you give us positions (in Cabinet) so stick to that,” said Seepe.
We have been listening political analysts from Nkandla since the formation of mk
DA won't walk away from GNU because they have already made a deal with Ramaphosa not ANC, now they are just staging with public letters, we are not fools
GNU eliminates the political concept of OPPOSITION..No opposing as the Parliament work together to debate laws and pass instruments to be executed by the Executive..
In a perfect and fully practiced GNU , ALL elected Political Parties enter into a Power -sharing-- arrangements of the Executive proportionate to their elected vote percentage...and this must include all ,not a coalition of few parties.
National unity government, government of national unity (GNU), or national union government is a broad coalition government consisting of all parties (or all major parties) in the legislature, usually formed during a time of war or other national emergency (and indeed unemployment,poverty rates are high)
A unity government according to the principles of consensus democracy lacks opposition( or opposition parties are too small and negligible)
coalition government, or coalition cabinet, is a government where political parties enter a power-sharing arrangement of the executive. Coalition governments usually occur when no single party has achieved an absolute majority after an election. A party not having majority is common under proportional representation, but not in nations with majoritarian electoral systems.
There are different forms of coalition governments, minority coalitions and surplus majority coalition governments. A surplus majority coalition government controls more than the absolute majority of seats in parliament necessary to have a majority in the government, whereas minority coalition governments do not hold the majority of legislative seats.
A coalition government might also be created in a time of national difficulty or crisis (for example, during wartime or economic crisis) to give a government the high degree of perceived political legitimacy or collective identity, it can also play a role in diminishing internal political strife.
In such times, parties have formed all-party coalitions (national unity governments, grand coalitions). If a coalition collapses, the Prime Minister and cabinet may be ousted by a vote of no confidence, call snap elections, form a new majority coalition, or continue as a minority government.
The best GNU Can only be achieved when the power for executive positions is eliminated..
THE PROBLEM
Here surfaces the issue of Coalition government, or coalition cabinet, is a government where political parties enter a power-sharing arrangement of the executive. This is one of the reasons complete transformation from majoritarian to GNU fails..
Why...because the Political ideology of having a One Party Majority system still lingers.
Only two perfect options to perfect GNU....In considerations of current Constitutional instruments, are
Let All parties be represented in the Executive by their ELECTED Vote percentage. All parties should forward their desired candidature (equaling their percentage in parliament)to the Consulting Council which is represented by all parties.
Secondly and Lastly..
The best medicine to eliminate the hunger for Political Parties power struggle of Cabinet positions is to allow for All Executive positions to be applied for and Vetted by Parliament...No MP 's appointment to Executive possitions...All other inportant positions like of intelligence..police. defence...judiciary..let them be decided for by Parliament...not President..his duty just be to execute what the parliament pass as wholly debated laws and policies that are monitored by parliamet..
GNU
A very s ober analysis cognisant of the shifting sands of the times...
This sounds like magical thinking. You can't say "this might work" when there's no shared understanding of what "works" means. I'm also glad he acknowledges that the exchanges of angry letters is just political theater, to convince voters that they're not selling out.
No one with a brain is fooled, and the ANC has just committed political suicide.
NEC to keep out of this, it's not their place. Are we surprised we getting nowhere?
[Paul Mashatile National Chairperson Gwede Mantashe Secretary General Fikile Mbalula Deputy Secretary General
Nomvula Mokonyane 2nd Deputy Secretary General Moropene Ramokgopa Treasurer General Dr Gwen Ramokgopa Treasurer General
Always sober minded well read analysis from the Dr.
The mistake The South African political analysts, together with some leaders, are calling the ANC and the DA without generalizing the whole parties in coalition and the gnu.
Dr. just admitted that you're not coherent with what you said. The ANC has abandoned their promise and rushed to sleep in one bed with right-wing parties. Black people should be very concerned about the way ANC is transferred back to the country to the right wing.
Communities warned ANC years back. You don't deliver services,you will sweat one day. They are sweating now. This is not a Government of National Unity. It's a coalition. ANC is forced to co govern. Government of National Unity is whereby a President chooses men and women from all spheres of Communities,in private and even in government to be assisted in governing the country.
Very, VERY, concerned! But we are at a tavern as we speak...☺
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105😂😂😂😂😂
Same as white, colored, Indian was very concerned for the past 30 years....now what happened is the outcome of that concern as well as a government that steals, are corrupted, state capture, etc. Etc. Etc...,,
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 ill have a brandy thanks😉
Will Africans really take another 30 years of ANC-DA chicanery? This time with the DA upping the ante by actually being in the drivers seat?
If the economy improves and the unemployment rate goes down , South Africans will certainly reward the DA with more votes.
Does that scare you ?
@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub not at all, I really wish you would consider the facts. There are 700 000 entrants into the job market every year and the DA promises to create 2 mil jobs in 5 years, we already boast the universes highest unemployment rate...
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 I'm not interested in promises.
I'm interested at what actually happens.
The DA will take credit if the economy turns around in the next 5 years and that will benefit them at the polls. If it gets worse , the converse is true.
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 that promise was for the Western Cape.
I think the DA should get what they want so we can see what will be for the next five years. 8 ministers and 8 Deputies
Wow finally analyze which he is tell the true not emotion analyze
What a waste of time media doesn't report facts anymore they use other people's perceptions 😂😂😂
Imagine if we have people like this man and IFP leader the Africa will be better place ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Is very hard to find people like thus men in the world who giving every side opinion matter he is like IFP leader
Almost all of Africa is decolonising and we are attempting to go in the opposite direction!😢
Looking at how unsuccessful these African countries largely are, I choose to go in any opposite direction.
@@Tinker8531 and who are you?
You mean the rest of Africa is going back to it's roots.
I'd like to see SA become a first world country.
@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub it IS a first world country, for dutch settlers. Decolonising in this instance means reallignment with BRICS and like minded parties, the Dutch settlers are pro geno west and the rest of us are pro Russia and I don't see why we should have accomodate that at the expense of our patnerships.
Except the Namibians, they're working peacefully there with the Germans@@Tinker8531
sabc must be kicking themselves about this analyst ,he is not singing their tune
And they call him an Analyst? 😅😅😅😅
the presenter sounds wet for the doctor🤣
Today or next week
Wen announced cabinet
You're spot on Ongama.....
Will Africans really take another 30 years of ANC-DA chicanery? This time with the DA upping the ante by actually being in the drivers seat?
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 didn't you claim to support the DA in other comments?
@@Thatotherguy803 hacking??
@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 🤣😂🤣you a politician? Seems like lying your profession
an excellent level headed analysis.
PA must get home affairs
Brilliant comment Sir!!
MAKE THIS DR THE PRESIDENT!
U DONT KNOW GNU
Are DA the only part in parliament these anchors are painful, and should not be shown to the public [most of them]
Uthengiwe wena sellout .thetha amanga
Dr Mtimka, thank you. The media people behave like silly children and say things without thinking. Remember the motto of South Africa- !ke e: /xarra //ke- "diverse people unite".