JF-17 Thunder Block-4 | Pakistan | Exclusive Information | Explained
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ธ.ค. 2023
- In this video we have discussed the JF-17 Thunder Block-4 & have explained the JF-17 Thunder Project.
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بلاک 3 جیسا طیارہ تعداد میں زیادہ ہونے کی وجہ سے دشمن کے لئیے ایک بہت بڑی مصیبت بن جاتا ہے. بلاک 4 میں مزیدطاقتور سنگل انجن اور مزید صلاحیتوں والے ایویانکس لگا کر اس کو مزید خطرناک ترین طیارہ بنایا جا سکتا ہے. اور مستقبل میں مزید لائٹ ویٹ اور بہت طاقتور انجن دستیاب ہونے کا بے حد امکان ہے غرضیکہ ترقی تو ہونی ہی ہے.
Engine ws-10 and irst will be Nd should be changed and addition of more composite material to reduce radar cross section is mandatory to escape from S-400 and aircraft radars, make it more stealthy .. and it will increase its manurability
B-3 is final block of Thunder project
@@pakistanstrategicforumi think b4 will have minor airframe design & composite changes to enhance stealth, engine upgrade, avionic upgrade; radar, rwr, mwr, mission computer etc. on 2028 top tech standard as b3 has about 2018 tech standards, and it will be in service by 2031
good one. I knew there will be future blocks. although you said (in another video) there wont be any future ones.
I happen to know somebody who was in the original team involved in the avionics of this jet he said thatJF-17 will have ongoing blocks like F-16.
How you can compare a MWT with an LCA, how one can totally forget the export success of F-16 & the overall aviation experience of the LM.
@@pakistanstrategicforum I am not sure where I did that comparison.
@@Mirpurmad ye desi einstein pagal ho gya ha!🤣
in block-4 you can increase composite materials, Apply stealth coatings and include more powerful engine.
also the nose cone can be redesigned to include a more powerful AESA.
There won't be any B-4, however RAM coatings can be applied to any block, using more composite materials will sky rocket the program cost, we must focus on the next generation.
IRST needs to be added.
@@pakistanstrategicforumAgree with that.
@@justsain3236 JF-17C has a IRST
Jf-17 must be upgraded with a better Gun that is up to date as per the recent AoA warfare.
The use of gun is very very limited, specially after the addition of PL-10 HOBS WVRM
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We don't need block-4. Just build around 100 Block-3 and small updates.
Pakistan should speed up and focus on "Project Azm"
Agree, should focus on procurement of 5th Generation
Project Azm has been scrapped
Future blocks of JF-17 can't be totally ruled out. However, it will based on the substantial experience and utilization of Block-3 to its maximum potential and the development of new technologies. The need and specs of future blocks will be based on the data from past experiences, real combat experiences, capabilities of the enemy, and advancement of technologies. All those who are interested in new blocks of JF-17 must not look backward at all technologies available in present-day warfare must look forward to emerging technologies and their fusion with JF-17. Exports shouldn't be our priority but outperforming and outsmarting our enemies should be the key priority.
Without exports you can't fund the project, today whatever F-16 program success you have it, the exports played a very very significant part in it
@@pakistanstrategicforum Exports could be one way to fund the project but not the key priority of any project like JF-17. The F-16 and JF-17 projects can't be compared with each other. The doctrine and thought process behind both were totally different.
Keeping in view the US role in the West and NATO, any US weapon always had an export market but that clout and reach is not available to Pakistan or even China at the moment.
I still feel that exports could be a icing on the cake but can/should never be a major part of the cake. 80-90% of the total number of JF-17 builds will be used in PAF in the next 3-5 years.
India is aimlessly targeting exports of Tejas while not using it in its own Air Force fully. They lost track from day one and they spoiled the Tejas project from their own hands by offering it to the export market and destroying the reputation of their own product. Sometimes they pitch it as LCA, sometimes as LED in Fighter, etc.
The conclusion is just to use your product to its maximum potential in all domains of war, and that is the best return on its price. Learn from the experience for future improvements and better and more advanced machines as per future needs. Don't run aimlessly behind the terms 5th Gen or 6th Gen.
Assalamu-alaikum! Thanks for giving such wonderful analyses!
Thank you brother, means alot ♥ 🇵🇰
@@pakistanstrategicforum You're very welcome dear!
Is it possible to make it triple racks for missiles or bombs like in F-16 Block70?
Triple rack on one hardpoint each wing? Or is the weight going to be too much?
Again Airframe limitations
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Block 4 might not be possible but block 3+ is possible. You guys need to get radar absorbent radar retradant paint. Moreover to reduce radar cross section and increase fuel efficiency and loiter time look into composite materials to upgrade portions of the external fueslage. It is a concept worth trying if it works it works if not learn from the mistake and make improvements in later projects.@@pakistanstrategicforum
Can't we redesign it because I have seen many foreigners talking about its frame to be of a 3rd generation aircraft, we can make variants of JF-17 Thunder just like how Dassault is doing with their Rafales or what Boeing did with F-18 Hornets (they redesigned the whole F-18 Hornet jet and named it F-18 Super Hornet), we can do something like JF-17 Mighty Thunder? or similar, we must make more and reliable variants of Jeff
JF-17 Block-4 of ever designed should focus on indigenous and state of art EW suite along with a more powerful AESA Radar and a better mission computer plus a single display
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IAF have Tejas mk-1A with 0.5 RCS and long range air to air missiles
Sir can you make a video about the visit of COAS to US... What was the motive behind this during this time of global turmoil on the issue of P@lestine.
Sure we will, Pakistan is a bridge between East(China) & the West(Europe & US).
@@pakistanstrategicforum no it's not your living in the last decade
Why didnt we go for Xian JH-7 bomber like we have mirages, or is thunder enough?
Thunder & J-10C will be enough
Maneuverability shall be increased in B4
which will increase the climb rate,it will be a punch area for B4.
Pakistan shall take help either from Turkey or China to make B4 stealthy from the ground defense systems atleast
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Great
Fine.But Indian HAL Tejas is also a light attack fighter with a smaller airframe than JF-17 but they are going to make it a medium category aircraft in Tejas mk2 variant.They are also going to install canards in the MK2 variant.If airframe limitations occurs then how it is possible.What will you say about this?
All on papers tejas in last 42 years have proved nothing they still need to use it fully operational then world will see its capability thats why Indian navy rejected it they are forcefully inducting it in air force and about MK2 and Amcaa india need atleast 10-15 years to build them untill that Pakistan will have 100 Kaan fifth gen jets 100 J-10C or even D electronic warfare system and untill that Pakistan will have 200+ Jf17s all block 3 or 4 also be their. Pakistan is far ahead interms of modernization
Last 40 years india was far behind Pakistan Interms of technology as we had AMRAAM 105KM range missile india had 80Km range BVR missile. Now India have 150km range meteor and Pakistan have PL-15 145km range now on same page but still 1 huge issue india have is RCS 272 SU-30MKI are flying ducks with 15 meter square RCS JF-17 RCS is 1-3 Meter square Block 3 have 1.5 RCS means its very easy to detect SU-30 MKI and india can not retire them till 2060s than same with Mig-29 and Mirage 2000
For JF-17 block 4.
Possible upgrade will be WS-13 engine + conformal fuel tanks.
@@danishjaved864Bhai sahab amraam 120 PAF ko 2008 mei receive huay. America nay humay aim 7 sparrow bvr missile deliver nahi kiyay 1983 mei whereas India had R77 bvr way back in 1987-88.
You can make a bomber, a civil jet liner, a spacecraft, UFO from HAL LCA Tejas since all you need to do is waste 4+ decades in advertisement, making useless CGI, & most of all start writing imaginary articles on its capabilities, so Tejas is an exceptional case.
Bro. You are absolutely right.
Thanks brother 🇵🇰
Please make video on new upgraded engine with more Thrust for block 4.....i hope jf17 will get upgraded engine in next block??? Please make 1 video on this i mean any chance for GENERAL electric engine or Chinese ws series light weight engine with more power than rd93ma?
There will be no B-4, however engine will be replaced in later stages, it will be WS-13, no chance of any US or Western engine with Thunder
Any inf about the recent visit of turkey air chief
Will update soon 🔜
Block 4 should be redesigned internally with Turkish Aesa radar and F-16 style side stick control etc so that F-16 operator countries (Turkiye and Iraq) feel comfortable for easy conversion to JF-17.
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@@pakistanstrategicforumThere is no need to laugh at the opinions of laymen
@@sharequsman596 Might be by mistake or the comment is a joke
@@pakistanstrategicforumthat shows admin is a 15 year old running this page
Engine will be change in future i hope !! For dual engine Pakistan went with new program rather making jf as dual !!
RD-93 will be replaced by WS-13 in future InshaAllah
Can you make a video of paf future acquisition and what about project azam and kaan aircraft purchase
Noted Roger 🇵🇰
Thank you so much for the video.
Its pretty funny reading the comments and suggestions, its like they are talking about modifying a bike or a car. People think upgrading and modifying a jet or making it a stealthy can be done with Emotions and Jazba alone. I wonder why do countries design new jets and retire old designs, they should give them to Keyboard warriors for converting 3rd Gen jets into 5th gen. :)
For block 4, 5:43 what I want is more indigenisation means our own future aesa radar bvr missiles likes faaz 2 only irst is missing if they put an irst that would be awesome... And use these system for future 5th gen...
Btw last year I heard some news that Pakistan and china have agreement upto block 3.. So if we saw block 4 means it's totally Pakistan based.
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excellent points made. Most people just like to opinionize their wishful thinking instead of making logic objective resolutions. Jf-17 was supposed to be a light weight fighter that was slated to replace many old aircraft and become the backbone of the PAF while being equipped with the most possible capability for its design. The only shortcoming and possible major upgrade i see in the jeff is an engine change, we saw the Chinese testing that themselves, and with how old our current options are, we will likely be inclined towards that upgrade. Besides that all we should really look forward to are mid-life upgrades or minor avionic upgrades as u mentioned. If PAF needs the capabilities these armchair analysists want the jeff to have, that would require a separate program destined for a different medium weight fighter. And that, to a extent, we are already doing with our 5th gen options.
Absolutely spot on 💯
Engines or irst integration ho sakti hai future me
Engine obviously, well shift to WS-13, IRST nt possible, surface area in nose is less.
Airframe redesign karna itna be mushkil nhi, India be toh apny Tajes ky airframe ma changes kar rakha ha, Gis ko Tajes mk1 - 2 nam dy rakha ha or naval version wala be ak develop kar rehy ha.
If we had followed Tejas roadmap there wouldn't have been a Fighter jet in the end, just like India's outcome
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Make a video on the latest update on Azm Program
Bhai is k vings 9 hard points q ni rakhy
Airframe limitations since it's LCA
then why f16 is now at block 70 stage?
F-16 is not an LCA, it's a medium weight fighter jet
Thunder is LCA, hence airframe limitations.
♟ LCA: Lightweight Combat Aircraft
Next should be L15 type of air frame delta wing Jv or inj
Let's see, for now nothing is official
I think k JL-15 hi Pakistan ka ek licensed build 2in engine Light trainer Fighter hoskta hai.
L-15 is a LIFT platform.
LIFT: Lead In Fighter Trainer
US has F16 and Japan has F1 and F1 has bigger airfaram with more Powerful engine and Pakistan can follow Japan Theory
Can you make video on pakistan space program and india space program comparison
Civil or Military?
@@pakistanstrategicforum military and civil space tourism
Are pilot... Or aeronautical engineer....?
Rightly said , dual engine not possible in thunder
Phir jf 17 block 3 ka project sirf 2035 tk hi karamad he us k baad ap ko is ko replace kar na ho ga q k is ki airframe me itni gunjaish ni he
BLOCK 4 BHI BANA TO WO BHI 1 HE ENGEN HOGA YE HO SAKTA HAI ISKI LAMBI OR OR ISKI BERONI DHATON KO ISTALTH FIGHTER JET BANA NE WALI HON YAANI ISKO ISTALTH FIGHTER JET BANA SAKTE HEN JIS ME KAM COST LAGE OR ISKO GARIB MULK BHI KHARID SAKEN
There will be no B-4
Why there's no video of Block 3 performing?
Yaar mera aur apka dukh same hae 😂
But there are few videos of Block-3 from 23rd March 2022 parade
F-5 was a dual engine plane whereas its variant prototype F-20 (F-5G) was a single engine. F-5 has several similarities with JF-17. So we can guess where are those single engine and dual engine comments coming from. Another idea on paper is TEDBF, a variant of Tejas.
Tedbf isn't a variant of tejas, it's a Indian concept version of rafale M for it's navy
You are comparing apples with oranges.....
JF-17 block 3 k bad new block ay gy ...But Pakistan New Aircraft Project pe kam kar raha jiska Name JF-20 hai ❤😊❤ JF-20 Medium weight Jet hoga❤😊❤
Hein 👀 👀
Tfx kaan .اس سال کب پہلی آزمائیشی پرواز ہوگی
Expected soon
Bhai block 4 bnay ga
Negative
Change its engines to get max out of aesa radar and pl 17
It doesn't has "PL-17" & yeah RD-93 will be upgraded with WS-13
O bhai F16 b to light weight jet ha to usky 74 blocks kaisay ban chukay hen ????
Kis ne kaha hae ka F-16 ek light weight jet hae, F-16 is a medium weight fighter, compare hard points & max take-off weight of F-16 with JF-17 Thunder & you will have your answer, moreover to go on F-16 model we need massive funding in R&D & that can only be achieved if one has exports.
@@pakistanstrategicforum Jf17 KO block building approach K oper banaya gya Tha to Kya uskay sirf 3 blok hi ban.ny thay???
irst should be integrated
Ab agar upgrade hon gi to mere hisab se flight computer aur avionics m ho gi
As I said minor ones.
Why china is not using this jet ??
They don't need an Multi-Role LCA
Block 4 should be heavy, not light weight, capable of deep strke.
There won't be any B-4
forget about those clueless funny channels In Punjabi/ Urdu accent who talk about ridiculous upgrades to JF-17 but lets not completely rule out the possibility of future blocks of this jet.
its variants from block 1 to 3 can be seen within almost a decade span. as the miniaturization continues we might see more compact and more powerful avionics package, better performing engine. maybe more use of durable lighter but affordable materials replacing the legacy metals with fiber glass. so in future versions of its existing components would qualify itself to be called a next block JF-17.
that JF-17 in next 10 15 years (even if called block 3) for namesake will be much different to current block while remaining true to its spirit and doctrine of a single, light weight force multiplier and a workhorse of PAF and potentially other countries.
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Mere bhai aesi batain q karte ho app, na app PAC k program coordinator ho na hi JF-17 k PMO ho. Mere bhai PAC k chokidar b nahi ho or batain itni bari bari. Gripen k kinte block aaen hain? Light weight category se medium weight category ka aircraft ban geya. Hard point kitne add ho gae us me pata hy? Kitni upgrades howe or abhi b aesa nahi hy k unho ne kaha k bohat ala bana liya ab nahi nahi next nahi banana? F22 F35 k hote howe b F16 bana raha hy or abhi b bohat se order chal rahe hain or ho skta hy k future me new block b aa jae but app ne to JF17 ka program hi band kr diya k is se acha kuch nahi bana skte bus ab gunzaish hi nahi hy mazeed ki.
Kiya behtareen analysis kiya hae apne 🤡
@@pakistanstrategicforum sorry for harsh comment but block building kahan gae agar block 4 ne nahi ana to? Bura lagta hy bhai k app hamara indigenous program hi band kar dain or logon ko misleading information dain.
should buy khaan from turkey
คืนรัฐบาลจีนเขาตั้งใจอยากจะมอบให้รัฐบาลยูเครนแบบไม่เป็นทางการเขาบอกฉันหลายครั้งแล้ว
It's Engine and Cockpit must changed
Cockpit is upgraded in B-3, engine will be replaced with WS-13
🙏🙏🙏 block 3 abi sehi se induct ho nhi raha ap logo ko 4 ki par gai hy
Lol who said this? 👀
Engine should be Duel engine
Not possible with this airframe
Upgrade in engine like ws13
One large tft screen in cockpit
Inboard IRST
Upgrades countermeasures systems
Little but upgradation overall
Could possibly be allow to start production of jf17 block 4
It's almost impossible to add IRST with Thunder as surface area is too less, if it hat enough area, you would have seen one in B-3
اگر ففتھ جنریشن جیٹ فائٹر کی جگہ مڈل یا ڈیول انجن والے جیٹ فائٹر بنانے کا عزم کیا جاتا تو یہ زیادہ ممکن ہوسکتا تھا. نا صرف ممکن بلکہ پاکستان کا فخر بھی ہوسکتا تھا.
You can't make a "Raptor" overnight, it takes a long journey, to get experience & aviation is no joke.
Jfthanderworldno1
Block will be after 10 years
Block 4
Negative, no need....
Fighter Jet L-15 Upgrade hoga to JF-17 Thunder Block 4. 👍
WT 👀 👀
@@pakistanstrategicforum ??
We need twin engine not block 4, need to make twin engine block 4 and pl 17 9r more
We practically don't need Dual engine platforms, but the case of 5th Generation is totally another issue, we don't have any option of 5th Gen in single engine.
pakistan :- block building
India:- mark building
There is no comparison between Tejas & Thunder, Thunder is a combat proven fighter with almost two decades of service.
@@pakistanstrategicforum indeed there's no comparison, tejas is way ahead in technology than this Chinese jet which china itself doesn't uses...🤣
@@JehadiHellTransportAgencyyes that's why your samosa hasn't even been inducted by your own air force while jf 17 is being manufactured by Pakistan indeginously with at least a dozen countries interested or operating the aircraft
Matlab direct block 5 ans hai 😊
Lol no 😂
Why Pakistan didn't buying Russian Engines for JF-17 thunder we should try to buy some engine from Russia
We were buying Russian Engines RD-93. But they were smoky and the russians were delaying assistance. So we went for the chinese WS-13 Engines.
@@gamertriggered4396 😊👍
Yeah. We gonna tell you what we are doing lol.
#PSF o bewakuf! work on Blk 4 has been started since 2018 atleast. Blk-4 will be a major update just as blk 3. Blk 3 still lack, stealth. IRST, and Towed Decoys etc. Blk-4 will be semi stealth version.
BTW there will be a Blk -5 too. This was all decided in Sohail Aman's era!
Please please mujsay Design larwalo JF17 B4 Me koe paisay nahe lunga pakka
Mein PAC Kamra se baat krta hn, wait
RAPTOR F22 is a better design
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Ab tu fifth generation hi aaye ga
Agree we much focus on 5th Gen
Block koi b ho ha to made in china
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@@Bs987-ui1im is this your best shot? Kasame I feel petty for you guys
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Future of jf 17 is the junkyard 😂
Asali account se aoaa panndaa jee
@@pakistanstrategicforum doesn't matter which account I use, it won't change the fact that jf 17 belongs to the junkyard 🤣
You have been proven wrong haha
You have been proven wrong.
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جے ایف-17 تھنڈر کے پروگرام چیف ایئر مارشل شاھد لطیف کا انٹر ویو سنیں جےایف17 امریکن F16 کے بلاک پروگرام پر بنایا گیا ہے اور F16 کا اس وقت بلاک 72 بھی بن چکا ہے اس لحاظ سے تو jf 17 کا ابھی بلاک 3 ہی بنا ہے اور ڈبل انجن کے لئیے تو یہ فریم بنا ہی نہیں یہ بات سب جانتے ہیں کوئ نئی بات بتائیں -
Have you ever considered the R&D budget of LM, overall experience of American aviation industry as well as export success combined with geopolitical power of the US?
آصف علی زرداری جب صدر تھا تو اُس نے ائر مارشل شاھد لطیف کو بلوایا اور کہا کہ JF-17 پروگرام کو بند کردو تو میں تم کو ائر چیف مارشل پروموٹ کرکے ائرفورس چیف بنادوں گا
لیکن ائرمارشل شاھد لطیف نے انکار کردیا
لیکن شاھد لطیف کی ریٹائرمنٹ کے بعد اور خصوصاً موجودہ ائرچیف ظہیر بابر کہ جو F-16 اور JF-17 league سے نیچے صرف Mirage تک ہی پہنچ سکا تھا، کو نوازشریف اور قمرباجوہ نے ائرچیف لگوایا تھا
ظہیر بابر نے آتے ہی JF-17 پروگرام کی فنڈنگ آدھی کردی تھی اور اب یہ پروگرام تقریباً ایک جگہ ساکت ہوچکا ہے
F-16 program JF-17 program se 30 years older hai,,
please take this into consideration,
plus the huge difference in R&D budget of F-16 and JF-17,, the R&D budget of F-16 is about 100 times more than that of the JF-17.
G interview mne e lia tha 😊
@@ghulambahookhan7436 please an interview of Air Marshal Shahid Latif on j10c inclusion in PAF
آصف علی زرداری جب صدر تھا تو اُس نے ائر مارشل شاھد لطیف کو بلوایا اور کہا کہ JF-17 پروگرام کو بند کردو تو میں تم کو ائر چیف مارشل پروموٹ کرکے ائرفورس چیف بنادوں گا
لیکن ائرمارشل شاھد لطیف نے انکار کردیا
(شاھد لطیف نے ایک انٹرویو میں خود یہ بات بتائ ہے)
لیکن شاھد لطیف کی ریٹائرمنٹ کے بعد اور خصوصاً موجودہ ائرچیف ظہیر بابر کہ جو F-16 اور JF-17 league سے نیچے صرف Mirage تک ہی پہنچ سکا تھا، کو نوازشریف اور قمرباجوہ نے ائرچیف لگوادیا
ظہیر بابر نے آتے ہی JF-17 پروگرام کی فنڈنگ آدھی کردی تھی اور اب یہ پروگرام تقریباً ایک جگہ ساکت ہوچکا ہے
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It lacks only on thrust vectoring capability and pl15
There is no practical use of 3/4D thrust vectoring
@@pakistanstrategicforum why. It is thrust vectoring by which a Sukhoi with that can maneuver like F16 or more then that.
Tum Koi engineer Ke Putra Ho
chal bakwas band kar