Arrows - T-33 - 50mm - Second Thoughts???
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Yes! Hand 🖐 launch 🚀! Almost took a few shingles with the aircraft there! Wow it really has some punch!
It was a close encounter of the gutter type - LOL ;)
@@BrianPhillipsRC you said it! Yehaw!!!
Yup, just ordered one with your link. I've got several 3S 1300 batteries that never get any use so this is a perfect fit for them. Thanks BP!
Enjoy! Thanks Jesse! This plane is the best 50mm EDF in the Arrows lineup. It's just GRRRREAT! I've been wanting to release this video for months, but Arrow's container was delayed BAAAADLY...and I refuse to torture you guys with a plane that can't be ordered (when I can help it)
Great flying Brian. I like your flying style more than other pilots styles, it seems so much more fun and super exhilarating.
Thanks Lance! I really love doing it, and hope this shows! From the sounds of it, you can see how much I like it too ;) Glad you enjoy my style. I want to get better too, where I can fly anything and LAND them on my "postage stamp" runway - LOL ;) - it seemed really HUGE when I was paying for the concrete - LOL!!!
P.S. This plane is a GREAT pick, if you haven't seriously considered it. I was kinda like meh when I first saw it, then I flew it and it quickly rose to my favorite in the 50mm Arrows EDF lineup. It's by FAR the most solid and best flying. BUT I know some would prefer the Viper or BAE Hawk for the looks (See, I even second guess my own comments, as I'm typing them - LOL).
Yeah because he flys low to the deck an its alot easier to see what the plane is doing.
Hell ya!! With that 4 s and placement, that T-33 is a real screamer for sure....just watch those gutter launches!! Woohooooooo!! 😁👍
LOL - Yeah - for sure!
I don't always hit gutters, but when I do - it's dramatic ;) LOL
Actually, it's funny, I totally crashed into my Grandma's gutter a few years back with a Mini-MOA, and it was pretty spectacular...you know the NOISE...it's like someone gets on the megaphone and says, "Yep, he just crashed" - LOL
Awesome jet. I have been flying drones for 4 plus years. Watching your videos is teaching me a lot about RC plans. I bought my first trainer a week ago, the p51 400mm. Iwas surprised how easy it was to fly. I credit your video for that. BIG THANKS FROM GEORGIA USA
P51 is not a trainer. Trainers are usually hi wings.P51 is war bird or racer.
Glad you got a fixed wing to get your flying!!! One word of warning, and I think Myron might have meant to say this, but with the 400mm Warbird Series from Eachine (your P-51) they do fly kinda "strange" so might want to work into another bigger, and possibly better analog for fixed wing flight...NOT to take anything away from the super-fun P-51 you've got there...it's GREAT, but just don't want you to have a hard transition to something a bit more ordinary flying ;)
Here's my "beginner list" and take it from me, there's no rush to move through the ranks, especially if you fly Drones...you probably could skip a lot of steps with the skills you've already earned...but I share this just so you can kinda see what I normally suggest, and you probably already know about most of these ;)
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Love it. It flies great and the sound is not a whiny one.
Camera crew did an amazing job keeping the bird 🦅 in shot! Quality!!! Thanks!
Oh yeah! Love the sound too!
Ah yes TH-cam…it’s still Brain Phillips
yep ;)
I bench tested both 3S and 4s batteries On this model.3s peaks at about 27 and drops to about 25 amps at full throttle run test for 10 seconds. 4S peaks at 47 and settles to about 42 Amps at full throttle for 10 seconds. breaks 30 amp mark at 75% as math would indicate.. You both do a wonderful job and i have learned from you.. Thanks!! I also ordered a second one here.
Thank you for doing the test!!! So I wonder if they just under-rated the ESC??? That would be near miraculous status for a Chinese built electronic ;) Amazing!!!!
Thanks again, and I now want to see what my Watt meter says ;)
@@BrianPhillipsRC aits not a fuse and instantly quits when amps passed .
It wears down and shortens the life span of esc along with the KV over the motors..
After that hand launch. I was really thinking I was about to watch you fix that lil rocket for 26min hahaha
Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who counts down with the British lady (out loud) 😁 Always look forward to your video's man.
LOL - I do count in "British Lady" too - LOL Very nice!
1500mah is the sweet spot for 4S on this plane. Its very easy to get the CG right with the smaller battery, and it flies better when its lighter.
I need one then ;) Thanks!
Great review!
Brian, are you coming to the RC expo in Toledo? It starts 4-1-22.
Anyone else?
Sorry Chad, I'm gonna be working :(
Great explanations. I am waiting on a Arrows T-33 to do the similar set-up. One question, How do you change the order of the selections on the Vector switch? I'd like Top is Self-leveling, Middle is Gyro and Bottom as Nothing. Thank You
You CAN in "Digital Switch Setup" - Click into the "Function List", scroll down to "Digital Switch Setup" choose the switch that's changing your MODE, then just make the switch position match your desired stabilizer mode.
@@BrianPhillipsRC Thanks ... You are AWESOME !!!
Fantastic figuring out the landing possibilities. For a belly lander they were practically touch and goes.
Yeah, the wind was at a weird angle....but love the way she slid into final resting position!!!!
I have the Habu 50 and it has really opened my eyes into these small EDF's. This plane is definitely on my short list.
50mm edf's on 4S are amazing, but even the Habu 50mm on 3S gets going well. Used to be we couldn't get scale looking performance from these smaller edf's, but that's thankfully in the past
These little 50 mm jet's are super fun,. I have the bae hawk, viper and t33 they all share the same hardware and fly nice and scale on 3s2200.They do fly on 4s but you do run the risk of burning out the ESC.They also sound cooler on3s.
I've heard from so many that the 4S doesn't seem to harm them, but you're right, there's always that possibility. Love the 3S performance myself!
Great @nd thought review Brian.
This plane is my favourite flyer in the winter. Just toss it in the air ..fly it ...and land it almost at your feet.
(it slides along on the snow like a toboggan) . For $160.00 is a steal
Yeah! I love watching it slip and slide too!
😊 Thanks
you're welcome!
My question is where's the Arrows F 86 Sabre video? It's one of the planes I'm excited to get once it's available.
Soon. They had some stock issues, but it's coming ASAP - so sorry for the delay.
Good flight, with the 4s what esc did you use ? Thanks Richard UK
Stock ESC!!! No problems - I've done it on every Arrows 50mm EDF too ;)
Hey Brian, Do you think if you used a 3S with a higher C-rating would give that 3S a punch similar to the 4S-2200 you used? Oh, and did the motor or ESC get warm or hot with 4S?
I felt that this plane was fine, BUT keep in mind the ESC is hidden from sight on this plane...so I didn't even give it a second thought. Some planes will fly perfectly then PUFFFFFF - dead - while others will give all sorts of "feedback" and even cut out on throttle before you have the same PUFFFFFF - dead...but on this and other Arrows, I've been not even concerned on 4S. They just LOVE 4S in my experience!
Also, it was cold and windy when we made this flight. I think if you were in a hot climate, or higher altitude, you might have more trouble. Thin air & HOT might be tough with 4S 2200...more for CG and all up flying weight than anything, but more stress on the ESC.
The T33 you can cut power and glide it in - it glides really well...
sure does! 4S 2200mAh makes it glide a bit worse - LOL ;)
this is on 4s with 30 amp esc ? Were you using 2200 ma bat? Nice close shave of the side of house (a testament of good flying).
Yes sir! Stock ESC, but can't say it was a 30 Amp...just that it was stock (I can't remember) - 2200mAh 4S is a big battery, but she liked it just fine!
@@BrianPhillipsRCinteresting, I read all stock came in with 30 amp esc. I guess 2200 mah is the limit maybe? Thanks for response, hope you and brave camera woman have an awesome weekend.
Hey Brian, 😳 You Nearly Took Off Your Corner Rain-Gutter There! 🤣🤣🤣
LOL - Trying to make work for the contractors out there - LOL ;)
And yes it was NOT for dramatic effect - LOL!!!! Unless you count butt puckering ;)
@@BrianPhillipsRC 🤣
Great flights as ever Brian and Camera Crew, any chance of reviewing the Arrows F-86 Saber 64mm EDF?
YES - ASAP ;) As soon as it comes, we'll be all over it ;)
Afternoon from the uk 🇬🇧 Brian and Megan I built my hawk today for day flying tomorrow all my kids back at sch pesky covid lol I have some 1600 and 1800mah I’m going to try in hawk , but this is my next one ☝️ they sell them without the vector in uk but I found hobby shop that had them it looks like good giro , thanks for all the info you give it’s great for tips and makes so much easier when your going to do a maiden, salute 🫡, Gaza 🇬🇧
Thanks, and glad you got your hands on the Hawk - great choice too, and vector, is a great gyro, if you'd rather save a few bucks on the AR630 - wish Horizon Hobby would market their AS3X/SAFE receivers for less...but I guess everything is getting crazy expensive.
@@BrianPhillipsRC definitely I just picked up the umx cirrus and been watching your vids on it it’s lovely looking plane and the lights are great on it I flew red arrow yesterday it was a great maiden well happy with it I’ve not tried 4s yet but will do sometime, salute 🫡 Gary
Brian, I love your channel! Love the way you do the side by side comparisons. I'm just getting started. Just got the Corsair 400mm mini Warbird. I love the hobby want to get into it more and with research I would like to know what RC transmitter should I buy for looking term?
Get the Nx8 works with any thing spectrum, horizon,eflite bind and fly.
NX8 is the way to go right now, especially if you're planning to be in the hobby for a few years. The money you spend on it will be painful for about 1 plane...then you'll forget and never look back.
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Yes Myron - NX8 for sure right now. The NX6 is nice, but for only a few bucks more, you'll get another 2-3 years out of the Tx, in my opinion ;)
Hey Brian. I got the Viper 50mm and I’m running the Spectrum 4s 2200 and have in the same position as you did. It’s still nose-heavy. Did you counterbalance it or just add some elevator trim?
It is gonna be a BIT nose heavy unless you cram it all the way back, and even still, a BIT nose heavy is okay...just not CRAZY nose heavy...this will mute your elevator too much, but she'll fly on rails!
@@BrianPhillipsRC yeah I flew it on the 4s 2200 and it wasn’t to bad. I added 50% flapperons and a bit of up elevator mix and it helps with the extra 4s weight on landings. 100% flaps does not give you enough aileron authority.
Great Job again. Please buy a DC Amp clamp meter and show how you are exceeding the ESC Rating with 4S compared to 3S. Also explain how it will shorten the life-span of said components. Adding weight adds Amps under load too. Thanks
Thanks Kurt! Unfortunately, I don't believe this to be true (4S will damage the ESC), but if you'd like to do a test like this, and share your findings, I'd be curious to see how your test turns out...but at the moment, I don't actually have a clamp meter, just a bunch of "standard" DMM's. I don't work with enough AC to justify a clamp meter (usually just low-voltage DC).
You can run the math, but I've found from years of experience (only my own, to be fair) that when you have a plane that rejects the larger size pack (cell count), you will pretty much know on a flight - FAST too - I could tell by just the initial climb out, if the ESC was going to crap out on me....they'll sometimes sputter out at 90-100% throttle, and even go into a thermal over-load....but haven't had this issue on any of the 50mm EDF's from Arrows. Funny how current load doesn't always change as much as people THINK it will. Higher voltage doesn't necessarially mean you'll get the higher amps all the time, and a lot of the damage you'll see from using a 4S in a "3S plane" would be from staying into the throttle 100% for something more than a "typical" burst of throttle for climb out or big loop. If in doubt, just leave your throttle down to 80% (do the math, and you'll see what I mean)...you're load is about the same anyway.
Ohm could explain this better than me ;) LOL
Just fly that thing's wings off!!!
Oh yeah, the weight added isn't a big issue at all, but yes it does demand more from the ESC and Motor and Fan, but the CG is the bigger deal...if you're too nose heavy, you'll lose elevator effectiveness. This would be the bigger concern for me. Wear and tear - not something I would worry about, since I will end up in a tree before I end up with a melted ESC ;) LOL...just my 2cents
@@BrianPhillipsRC Hey,, Thanks you have an awesome ability to make the complex simple and the simple sometimes tedious!!
I enjoy it. You basically did and confirmed what i ask in your reply to me.. I'm glad your beliefs are as accurate like meters..lol its a simple test and you should always have headroom for longevity. I cant do videos,,, i get your point.
Been around high and low voltage AC/DC components and test equipment since 1974. I see you use a battery meter.. lol
Brian I'm confused, how does the 4S battery not melt a 30amp esc? I thought the rule was never to go above 3S on a 30amp?
Higher Voltage X Lower Current - Ohms law ;)
Same power demanded of a higher voltage will lower current demand. This seems to be often times lost...but that being said, when you have MORE power available, most USE IT [all] ;)
4 X 4.2VDC = 16.8 VDC X 30A = 504 Watts
3 X 4.2VDC = 12.6 VDC X 30A = 378 Watts
Wattage is what you need...POWER ;) More Voltage means you need LESS current to achieve the same Power (AKA thrust), but there are often times bottle necks in the way. Worse case scenario, ESC power leads melt the solder and lead breaks free...you have a total loss of control, but unlikely ;)
I bench tested both 3S and 4s batteries On this model.3s peaks at about 27 and drops to about 25 amps at full throttle run test for 10 seconds. 4S peaks at 47 and settles to about 42 Amps at full throttle for 10 seconds. breaks 30 amp mark at 75% as math would indicate..Brian is wrong.
Howdy .... well I tried a 1000 mAh, 4s., the T-33 flew well until I went full throttle. The EDF went silent, I throttled back to zero and glided for a moment then increased input on throttle channel which would only give perhaps 30% power. I landed ok. Un plugged the battery then re attached, motor worked as it should again with full range of power. So, I would leave the 4s,, the T-33 seems pretty scale on a 1000mAh, 3s ... 4 minutes of adrenalin, a big enough dose for an old fella like myself!
You almost had another named kill zone. ,😇🐺😆
Love it!., Made my day lol
Very entertaining and informative. Seriously I might get this one in the near future. ,🤔🧐🙏
Thank you for posting. ^_^
P.S. yes I'm n oddball, I'm one of those who would fly slow more often than not, to extend the flight time. ,😁
You're right about that...this would be the T-33 gutter - LOL!!!!!
Brian , just come across your video , you say you are using a 4s 2200 battery , did you have to uprate the ESC or motor please
Bad ass flying man camera crew does great as always
Thanks Shane, and She is very good!
ive been running 1500 4s lipo,s and the power to weight is perfect for that plane.
sure is! We recently got some 1500mAh 4S 100C packs, and might need to retest these planes
@@BrianPhillipsRC There ya go put up a third thoughts vid clip
I flew 3s 2200 had a hard time with it couldn't get it in the air but I had the battery forward more so that scared me threw a 2200 4s toward the back Flys amazing. I am going to try 3s 2200 in the same position you had it in seemed to fly great
Brian, do you have a tutorial for setting the Vector stabilization control to include the Rknob? Already setup for “Safe / Stability”. Running an AR 620 with NX8
I don't know that you can use the RKnob the way you're thinking, if you're thinking of it like a MASTER GAIN, the way we setup the planes in AR631 or AR637T pnp planes...
That being said, you COULD use the RKnob to change through the modes (Auto-Leveling+Stabilization / Off / Stabilization Only), but I wouldn't recommend it. I don't think there's enough obvious delimitation between one mode and another, in my opinion. You'll be trying to screw with the knob and move it too far or not far enough, and could cause some confusion while flying...BUT YOU CAN DO IT...pretty easy too. Just make a channel assignment to that RKnob in system setup...but I'd highly recommend you use a THREE position switch, instead...should be easier whit regard to pilot fatigue.
Let me know if you decide to try it. I'm curious if you find success or if my assumption was correct.
Got it. I thought it might be that way. Thank you.
Sure thing Jeff!
very cool plane
It sure is!
Off topic for this Arrows bird. Have you heard anything about the Pre-order for the ___86 something? Provider has no updates for delivery, no answer from my queries.
They're sending one soon, but not 100% sure time line...sorry for the delay...we're really excited to do it too ;)
Good work cool speed its fast. 👍
Yeah, but still good control, and amazing looks!!! Wish I had a 1300mAh 4S to plop in here!
Wow the speed of of this thing.
It is fast!
I'm 'happy' to see you had an issue with the vector and a stall. I stalled and crashed it once, and for the life of me couldn't figure out why at the time. The situation seems very similar to yours. Fun plane, and not a bad deal for the price.
Thanks! I don't know for certain why this happens, but I've seen it once in a blue moon, and it's usually when I'm yanking out of some circumstance I shouldn't have been in, in the first place ;)
I cannot get my auto level to work for the life of me. Dx6i. Is it the sbus/ppm wire that I plug into the rudder port?
Watch the "Unbox Build Radio Setup" for questions like this for any plane we've reviewed. We cover these details.
SBUS/PPM MODE is where you can choose to toggle between modes.
Arrows planes look very interesting for future purchase. Waiting to see how they handle customer service. Like Eachine 👎 ... or like Horizon Hobby 👍
We're hearing almost 100% amazing feedback about Arrows. To be fair, just one guy has been pretty vocal about a bad experience but I don't even know what happened - I can't get the details. Literally everything else has been positive to VERY positive about Arrows. I'd say it's a very safe bet working with them. They seem to only bring on good planes too, which HELPS a lot. Some of these companies now, are just getting any garbage that will show up (stock has been such an issue) but we haven't had an Arrows that isn't great yet!
Brian. Every time I toss the t 33. No matter. 3s. Or 4s. 2200. It tilts to the left and nose dives. Why is this happening do you know of anything I can try
Anything I can try to do different to get it flying. What would u suggest
First thing...verify your stabilizer is correcting the right direction - this could be your issue. Second, and I know you're thinking, "I already checked 100 times" - do it again ;) - do your ailerons go the right direction when you move your sticks? You gotta check again...
If you check all these out good, get that plane on the ground, in the grass (wet = okay) and seriously, just fire the throttle up and see if you can get her to fly off the grass. I know, that's crazy, but you might be able to find a small hill and just fly off the ground. Alternatively, and at the risk of looking like a complete idiot (we've established, I'm totally okay with this - LOL) just RUNNNNN HARD with the plane and give her 100% throttle, and see if you can get her to fly out of your hand. She flies at a relatively low speed...so you don't even need to "Throw" it. The issue is that without a rudder, it's HARD to "get her flying" after a stall, and most guys will feather the throttle, and not GUN IT...I'm guilty of this too, at times. Also, my pride sometimes stops me from using the "AUTO-LEVLEING" when it works so dang good! Use it, even if you have 35 years of flying experience. This too needs to be 100% checked BEFORE launch. Make sure she corrects the right direction.
Okay, hopefully with one of these items, you'll get it flying. Once airborne, you will GET IT...this plane is an absolute JOY to fly.
Ok. I'll try the grass take off. Gyro is working correctly. And the plane balances out perfect for cg. Thank you so much Brian. !
Well I launched her out of the bed of my truck. And flew wonderful on 4s 1300 , the 4s 2200 was great also ,but a lil on the heavy side. Lol. Thank you for your time Brian you helped me alot. Have a great day. And Good flying.
Ohm's law. Volts x Watts = amps,!, 3S is 11.1 total potential flying full throttle.
4S is 14.8V.. More volts is more amps and is more heat and flying time. under more weight.
Pretty simple
Load (demand) dictates Wattage, not the supply ;) More voltage does not necessarially mean more load...but with more load, and more voltage, there is a potential for more wattage. You see what I'm saying. Also, there's quite a bit of difference between static load, and dynamic load on an edf jet due to inrush vs full flying speed current.
@@BrianPhillipsRC same load.. Thats my point.. lost in the woods here!
ESC's have a amp rating like all electronic components for a good reason.
We haven't started on what this does to motors with a kv design for 3S and we add another 15 to 20 k rpm..
is there any diffrences beyween viper and t33
YES, they're modeled after different planes - but I think you might have meant differences OTHER than the model they're representing....Hummm, easier way to say it would be the T33 is just a "NEWER" design. It seems to be a newer, more detailed, easier to build, and slightly better engineered, BUT still BOTH are amazing. The T-33 has lower wing loading, or it flies that way, if it doesn't actually ;)
As for he new L-39, might want to hold off till we publish, HOPEFULLY early THIS week, our video. Waiting on links and go-ahead to release the video. It will complicate your decision, but if I don't say something, I suspect you'd be mad at me in a few days.
@@BrianPhillipsRC thank you very much I am waiting new one l39
Great review
Thanks Bryan!
You bet that looks super cool and fun
could u tell what batteries and stuff i need to have to this model`?
If you watch our MAIDEN FLIGHT and UNBOX BUILD RADIO SETUP, we show all these details, OR you can also just look in the video description to see what we suggest.
T-33 bit.ly/3rWN2YH
AR620 bit.ly/3Dv9mdR | AR410 bit.ly/3GnSY0w
1300 3S bit.ly/3Bc4hd2 | 2200 3S bit.ly/3omQFnA | 2200 4S bit.ly/3RQTafm
Tx bit.ly/3J05xSj
Do you have Delivery to Canada?.
Get me Rex Kramer!
Oh boy..
Note to self...jets need speed when handlaunched...:D
Yesss Sir ;)
Hello Brian😉😉😉😉
Master - welcome back again!
Does anybody know of some good current market fixed landing gear to mod this jet with??? i really want to do wheel landings with mine. dont even care if i dont have nose wheel steering either.
Where the mains would attach, make sure you add some CF Strips to carry the load into the middle, and I suspect you could steal a set from something like this, making plastic adapters out of load soda bottles or something similar...
bit.ly/3HR8Avm
...but I haven't heard of any aftermarket or stock choices.
@@BrianPhillipsRC Thanks for the Link Brian. im not familiar with CF Strips?
P.S. yes I'm n oddball, I'm one of those who would fly slow more often than not, to extend the flight time. ,😁
COOL! I'm not the only weirdo!?!?! LOL
ssssssoooooo cool
YEEEEAH!!!! Love this one!
Brian, the body of the T33 looks great and is durable, but the performance quirks of the electronics is problematic and are of very poor quality as in one thing the yellow wire to the rudder servo broke lose from the very tiny bit of solder on the uncovered, unprotected controller on a T33 I had.
Wingspan is 800mm Brian
Thanks
1500mah 4s is the perfect battery IMO on this jet....
Do it have giro
Grate to see but too fast for me
No - This plane is super "tame" on 3S. Just because it flies fast(er) doesn't mean it's hard to fly, btw ;) You gotta try one! Remember, I'm flying this one in some pretty stout wind....on a calm night, it'll be a breeze (forgive the word choice...I thought it was funny, punny)