Why You NEED Timecode to Make Filmmaking Easier
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- What is timecode? Why timecode is amazing. How timecode works and how it can make you a faster more efficient filmmaker. Make your video production life FASTER by using timecode and Tentacle Sync to automatically generate your multi-cam clips for editing interviews, events, and more.
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Good video, explains it well. Annoying, disturbing and distracting background music.
Great background music
@@dthreatt sorry, didn't know you're the composer. Yeah, it's really awesome. I was just 😃
Totally de-mystified this for me. Then again, having tools like Tentacle Sync streamlines timecode syncing both from a hardware and software perspective than more cumbersome methods. Thanks for another great vid!
Man, I thought I knew a lot. Now I am thinking about Timecode. I am using two Canon G50 4K cameras and Sling Studio one wired and one wireless using a camera link. Mysteriously they sync up. Other team members are using Yolobox Pro and we are constantly talking audio, syncing, device powering off and software auto-switching to a non-prefered audio source, etc. So this helps t=me to have a idea how to sync. I am assuming you can use audio to input Timecode into Tentacle Sync. What if I don't want to record timecode on a prime camera, and use that as the master audio track? So now I have more research to do so I don't sound unprepared when I suggest this solution.
Not sure if anyone caught this but at 7:39 when you paused the video to see that all the Tentacles were in sync, Yellow is one frame off. Is 1 frame not a problem or how would you rectify it?
I saw that too. Seems like they are not in sync. Close, but not in sync.
Could be sensor readout?
Yeah, I had to scroll through the comments to make sure someone else caught that as well and I wasn't going crazy.
@@jeremyalameda5061 Maybe WE are crazy 😜
When is the beard tutorial? I can’t grow one.
Awesome video dude....thanks. I've been syncing with audio for years and it's painful.
Great video; lots of information I needed.
I'd appreciate some more quiet or less distracting music next time though :).
May I kibitz? The music track is too loud for your voiceover. It's kind of distracting.
Good video content, but the background audio is distracting and IMHO unnecessary.
So glad Rogaine worked for David Cross.
This was the most helpful video I’ve seen on this! Thank you for making it so simple! I got a bit confused between green and red mode, but now it makes sense!
I have 2 Zoom F8's. Why didn't you use the Time Code from the Zoom as your Master Clock and jam sync the Tentacle sync boxes as slaves?
very interesting thanks ! subscribed . . . so from the Sony A7III with cable in to tentacle Sync E and go wireless to Sound Devices MixPre-3 II ? sorry i'm new in this kind of stuff ;) ( only one tentacle need ? for one camera setup ) thank you
This is AMAZING.. Would you mind to do a video picking up where you left it and show it works when you create your multitrack videos in FCPX using this XML file you exported? Also, other question, can you have different frame rates? Or should you treat b-roll that has been shot say at 50p, separately?
7'40" tc does not sync up perfectly by one frame.
It does though! It just appears that his tutorial recording of the camera's screen makes many of the frames bleed into one another.
this is due to crappy blue tooth technology (which is not time accurate) and the display app on the phone. If you were to bring in the media and compare, you would find them all exactly in sync. Going by the app is not accurate to the frame, due to timing and latency of the blue tooth spec
What happens if you have to do a battery change and the camera turns off. Could you then turn the camera back on and resume recoding and not have any issues syncing, as long as the tentacle device was still on?
So let me get this str8. If a device can receive the timecode - jammed to it once and then unplug the tentacle and the device will continue keeping the time code? So if I have a device that can maintain timecode like a C300 or a Zoom, once I jam that timecode and unplug it, the timecode will stay in sync? So if I'm understanding correctly, that would mean that if I had three C300s and one tentacle, I could jam the timecode to all three of the cameras? Which means I would only need one tentacle in this usage scenario?
Thanks for your effort and explanations. I echo the comments of others that the music was annoying. That said, great job and it's still completely relevant in 2022. If you still have the source edit, would be nice if you could re-up without the music and link to it (maybe even cross-link and ask viewers to comment on which version they prefer more).
I appreciate an actually helpful comment about the music, if I can find the edit I totally will do this. Everyone else has just been complaining and not offering a solution. If TH-cam offered video replacement I would have ages ago but I don’t want to loose the views on this existing one and you idea might work well.
what lens is that?
cool. these look good. I see that the Zoom recorder generates timecode and you could use it as the master clock (source) and use Tentacle Sync as the slave, would there be an advantage of doing timecode with your recording generating it? I guess it might just be a matter of which one is better at keeping an accurate time.
This is awesome, I got a question, how do you sync with the audio track?
Nice job of explaining the Tentacle Sync devices and how they work. Thanks
Its too bad popular cameras like gopros, insta360 x3, drones, and high end phones cant figure out a lower budget way to timecode without losing their audio. I started searching for options today and this is probably the "best" solution, but its still kind of messy and very expensive. A lot of people on TH-cam are using multi cameras now so I figured the need was there. I know a lot of youtubers with high subscriber counts still use iphones. In particular in this process, I was surprised you needed tentacle software to line things up and cannot just use premiere.
I envisioned a device you put near each camera when you start recording that puts out a sound based on a time of day and you could just hold it up each time you start a new clip. If someone else was filming that would buy another one and those 2 would just need to be synced to each other... then each person would have one to put near their cameras as they start a clip.
This is the best video of Tentacle that I've seen. SOOOOO question then based on what I saw here. I have : RED Dragon, Black Magic Pocket and Zoom 4 ... so based on this I just need ONE tentacle sync to sync them all up with the BNC cable right?
Geoff Heith well thanks for your kind words. In theory yes you are correct however the BM may reset timecode if you power down the camera, so you’d have to resync after that. Generally a good rule of thumb is to double check timecode is still in sync if you power off your cameras if your timecode isn’t always attached.
@@bsetter Just added the new Atomx Sync to my Atomos Ninja V. Atomos recently purchased TCS (the maker of the UltraSync One and Blue devices and the ones who engineered this Atomx component to plug into your Ninja V recorder. It does RF and Bluetooth, but has no BNC or other connection options. So curious, if you know if the Sync E devices can join the bluetooth network that the Ninja V's Atomx Sync creates when it is master? Or what would be the technique to getting Ninja V Sync devices TC onto a Tentacle Sync E device. I ask, because my alternative is to purchase the Atomos UltraSync One at $280 each, PLUS they don't give you cables any more like TCS used to, so I would have to be a $40 Din to BNC cable so I could Jam my Zoom F4 and a $62 Din to 3.5mm cable to do LTC to my backup camera (without a Ninja V). Then, I would also have to buy a $150 license to use LTC Convert, since Premiere still doesn't sync LTC files. So, really it would be $280 + $40 + $62 + $150 or $532 for one UltraSync One solution. Surely there is a way to jam TC from the Atomos Sync to a Tentacle Sync E? The camera that will be attached to the Ninja V will be a A7SIII and my backup camera is a Sony A9. Thanks in advance :-)
Great video. Thank you. I just wondered if anyone had experienced tentacle syncs laying timecode as audio onto both of a DSLR’s camera audio tracks? I’ve had this problem which means there is no longer any onboard camera mic audio on one of the tracks which isn’t very helpful…it’s nice to have at least one camera audio track as a dialogue track just in case the timecode audio track doesn’t work for any reason…anyone else experienced this problem?
Timecode is indeed an improvement that I should have implemented long before I actually did. It rocks. Do it!
Fucken life saver you are. I didn't know how to sync tenticle to my f8npro. You are the fucken man!
Thanks for giving out this information, a lot of other videos about timecode are really not great. I'm looking to buy an f6 to go with my gh6, which I think you don't need the tentacle for. So we'll see how that works!
Beautiful. I can't wait to get mine. B&H out right now, but I will get it. This definitely have me sold.
Thank you For explaining Sir...
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Thanks for the explanation. Unfortunately, the musical background was an annoyance and interfered with my understanding. I had to rewind and rewatch a few times. Why does everyone think that musical tracks help with comprehension. They don't. They entertain, maybe, but not inform.
If you're using a TC to jam devices throughout the day and it goes OFF after a couple of hours (like you mentioned around 10:00) does the timecode persist, or does it reset?
amndemo the tentacle sync has like 30hours of battery life but if you are jamming timecode from a tentacle sync only temporarily to a device that is not continually connected your tentacle sync. When that camera or device powers off (say dead camera battery) you may have to res jam timecode again after powering back up. Again only if your tentacle syncs is not continuously connected (ie using one tentacle sync for multiple devices).
@@bsetter Great info Brandon, thank you.
Small details missed reliably befuddle learners. Define everything. The light turns from red to green: what does red denote? What does green denote? Why are the Tentacles different colours? Are they the same device? Define “jam.” Etc, etc. Please don’t tell me the answers-I know them. This is a teaching comment given with the best intentions.
But WHY does it require a whole separate unit to keep time ... none of these machines have a clock built in??
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I know that sounds dumb but why can none of that equipment keep accurate time??
7:40 - it are not in sync actualy :) Why?
I usually shoot with 1 camera but up to 5 microphones. Not all 5 people are always in the frame at the same time, some people walk off to other areas of the location and I then track them down where they are at and chat a bit on camera. Do you know if this device would help me sync all the audio that is recorded seperatately and internally in their tascam lav mic recorders? Their audio doesn't go directly into camera. Thanks for any feedback you may have.
That was a great run down of what thoese little timecode generators do. It's unfortunate they cost so much, $280 per unit, any prosumer camera over $800 like a Canon Vixia HF G21 will have timecode options. The vixia HF 100 to 800 series do not, they cost around $220 new. I feel for the extra few hundred you're gonna spend on a tentacle sync device, you may spend that towards an entry-level prosumer camera even getting XLR inputs for the cost difference.
The technology is great, just priced to high in my opinion.
Got the Deity set and can’t wait to see how it improves workflow, omg what a relief..
can you use the tentacle sync with like drones, and drone remote controller screen, pocket 2, action 4 etc?
and maximum amount of units work in same time is.... ? second question: what will happen if battery of tentacle gonna die ? what wbout audio of gh5 ?
Very interesting, it was just getting good but I couldn't take the irritating music. It's maddening... Had to leave, couldn't take it anymore. Terrible music blasting over what the guy is saying!
You have done a great service to the audio / visual community! Timecode for the win!
I'm not getting the timecode to record on my audio file that being recorded on with a Zoom F6 field recorder. I see three audio files and unfortunately the Tentacle Timecode App doesn't recognize it or it's not bering recorded. Anybody have any suggestions?
you thought it would be cool to add that music playing while you're talking?
Awesome video...just learn something today about time code. Thanks
Music is toooo loud at drums-sections in comparsion to voice! 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
if sync device using left channel of audio channel, is the camera still recording right channel when camera filming? if not. is there any y cable or solution I can use time code on the left and right channel recording through camera mic? Thank you.
Thank youuu! just wish this background music can disappear !!! haha
Best breakdown on workflow and overall tutorial.
This is what I’ve been needing all along. 🙏🙏🙏
Man great video. I was thinking about flying my fx6.
what if you need the audio jack for an on-camera mic? how do you record sound while the tentacle sync is plugged in?
Very nice! Please stop the background music it's irritating!
Why i should use tentacle whe i can use 3.5 jack for this, i can’t understand
Bro....bro!!!! 😁 that’s all I have to say! Thank you!!! Man you explained that PERFECTLY!
Thank you for this video, it really simplified timecode for me
hello, can i just buy one and just plug it in when i start recodering on the cam and then take it out and do that to the next cam ? i know i`ll have to keep suncing everytime a cam stops recording and all. so it is possible ?
so when you took your source and sync'd to others in the beginning, then once you got your source to read the audio device, it automatically sync's up to the others right after you connected your source to the audio device??? still a bit confused...
I thought you were going to connect the course (RED) to all the others "again" right after the source box was sync'd to the audio device.....sorry confusing
Is there anyway for all the clocks you own to be timecoded w/ the clock the world uses as reference every 24H max?
At 7:41 when you freeze framed, 1 of the 2 were 1 frame out of sync already. 2 were 08 and the other 09.
7:38 uhhhh doesn't look perfect to me? I see two 08's and one 09....
Great video, thanks! I wonder how long those devices stay in sync and how often you need to sync them up? And what about that Zoom recorder? Does it get off sync after a few hours, given it’s all offline
Great info. This video inspired me to pick one up. Thanks! Great video.
Thanks
Hold on yellow is one frane out, what hapoened did tht sync screw op or ar we dealing with click drift
If you move the zoom out the way, much cleaner surface to demonstrate a rather complex process
did you noticed that your yellow tentacle is out of sync by a frame? on min 7:42, any way, great video!
Is this compatible with Davinci resolve 18?
Yellow was one frame off! Still great video thanks!
Haha good catch LOL
@@SetterStudios Oh my gawd. The whole shoot is a disaster, get the makeup people back! :)
What do you mean Ryan?
Cameron Hamill it’s really not a big deal and don’t want to be a nudge but when he’s using the app to show all tentacles are in sync the one with the yellow band was a frame off and some reason stuck out to me.
@@ryanbennett2650 Thanks for explaining that. I wonder what actually caused that. I wonder if re syncing the yellow unit to the master would have persisted with the problem.
If you turn off the audio on the camera, will it still work?
Is the tentacle software compatible with davinci?
yeah you've got to talk to my spouse now... I've spent some money now 🤭😂
This video is a life saver if you own a fx6 and want to get rid of that ugly top handle
Wow awesome video those tentacle syncs look amazing I need them 🐙
I dont get time codes, why not just sync in the editing software?
Can you use this with Edius Pro 7 editing software?
Great video, thanks a mill. Music is a bit on the loud side, but bearable.
Is it possible to sync two Sony A7iii together for shooting a 2 camera setup? I don't quite get why we have to use these extra devices when cameras have BT/Wifi
Good question, does it ?
I think the parts are just too expensive!
If your equipment can jam to external timecode, there are Android and iOS apps that will generate it, allowing you to simply connect your phone's headphone jack to the appropriate input of your cameras and recorder and have them sync up.
Why can’t we sync cameras via Bluetooth yet
Thanks you very much for clear video.
How slaves communicate each with other? By Bluetooth?
Do you need synchronise slaves next day (after switch off of master) ?
How many slaves can be connected to master tentacle?
Another solution:
If zoom F4 have already time base, how to use it like master? How to connect slaves to Zoom F4? Only with cables?
Excuse me my questions. But I would better understand.
It’s not a master to slave relationship. Using the tentacle sync app on your phone syncs all of the devices to a common time mark and frame rate. They will remain in sync as long as you don’t turn them off. I would always resync the next day, they only have something like 20 hours of battery. I typically jam timecode from one of the tentacles to my Zoom F6. Treat the group of synced tentacles as one collective timecode source for any devices you connect them to.
So timecode does not use an extra audio channel on your sound recorder?
Very helpful! I am soooo new to this after relying on FCP X’s sync audio feature. If you have more clear instruction for newcomers such as me for learning this “sauce”, I’ll watch! Curious…can the device timecode with the iPhone’s video? I use FiLMicPro and was hoping it will work. Thank you for any advice!
So far I have found Rec app
I have 6 of those. Very important for workflow and syncing in post,.
Great video! Just curious doesn't the GH5 have the ability to have its internal timecode jammed or synced like professional cinema cameras so you wouldn't need to keep the box connected as long as you keep the GH5 on all day? Either way very informative video! 👍
Zack Trunzo awesome question and thanks for watching! Unfortunately the GH5 doesn’t have a way to merry the internal timecode clock with any other devices. The only real way to use timecode internally on the GH5 is to synchronize timecode using the Panasonic app on the iPhone but that never gets timecode into your audio recorder so you end up still kinda stuck leaving one device out of the timecode “universe” so to speak. Your 3 cameras may be in synced that way but the audio recorder has no way to merry to the timecode the GH5 is generating.
And your note about never Turing the camera off is valid too - seems risky to me.
@@SetterStudios Thanks for the clarification this makes sense! Happy shooting. 🎥
@@SetterStudios Just added the new Atomx Sync to my Atomos Ninja V. Atomos recently purchased TCS (the maker of the UltraSync One and Blue devices and the ones who engineered this Atomx component to plug into your Ninja V recorder. It does RF and Bluetooth, but has no BNC or other connection options. So curious, if you know if the Sync E devices can join the bluetooth network that the Ninja V's Atomx Sync creates when it is master? Or what would be the technique to getting Ninja V Sync devices TC onto a Tentacle Sync E device. I ask, because my alternative is to purchase the Atomos UltraSync One at $280 each, PLUS they don't give you cables any more like TCS used to, so I would have to be a $40 Din to BNC cable so I could Jam my Zoom F4 and a $62 Din to 3.5mm cable to do LTC to my backup camera (without a Ninja V). Then, I would also have to buy a $150 license to use LTC Convert, since Premiere still doesn't sync LTC files. So, really it would be $280 + $40 + $62 + $150 or $532 for one UltraSync One solution. Surely there is a way to jam TC from the Atomos Sync to a Tentacle Sync E? The camera that will be attached to the Ninja V will be a A7SIII and my backup camera is a Sony A9. Thanks in advance :-)
Can you sync timecode in Premiere without their app
Seems like a “nice to have” rather than a need
what about reproduce the braw file in sync software and export xml for da vinci resolve? thanks for your video, really really helpfull, shoutouts from spain
The sync software that comes with the Tentacle Sync E can export as XML.
awsome thx! But what if I change the framerate during a day of shooting on one of the cameras for example: Synced framerate to the cameras and fieldrecorder 50p - change to 120p for some slowmo. Does the timecode stay when I go back to "normal/synced" framerate or do I have to sync all devices again? Further, if I load the footage to post: The clip with the 120 frames would need more "space" to the other clips (Cam 2 & fieldrecorder)
Timecode is frame rate dependent. So you would need to change your timecode frame rate to match. You *may* be able to do this with BMPCC button that switches to high frame rate but leaves the project frame rate at 23.98. You would want to test before you commit to this plan.
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Awesome you are doing this. Yeah. God
How do you use a 3.5 mic when time code cable is using up the port? A splitter? Thanks for help
You wouldn't - your audio instead comes from your audio recorder and external mics - the timecode syncs all of this up for you with your video. If you're plugging a mic directly into the camera (using single-system audio) then you don't need timecode as there's nothing to sync up.
How do you handle timecode with multiple takes. Say your doing a music video with a band and they are playing along to some music. how do you get the time code to sync with a music track so every time you play the track the time code will be the same for each take.
That’s a really good question! There is no way to line up 3 takes of the song to match using timecode. Timecode is continually running forward in time allowing you to sync all cameras and audio sources. You would still want to use timecode to do that part but you would want to feed a click track audio source to the band and your audio recorder so the song takes can be synced to each other forcing the band to play each take exactly in time one to the next. You would need to use a click track synced with the musicians to do that.
Does this work with Davinci ??
Does turning the cameras on or off screw up the timecode on the camera? Like, if you need to change batteries and such, does that throw everything off? Or as long as the transmitter stay plugged in is it fine?
As long as the Tentacle sync is plugged in turning on/off the camera won't be effected. BUT if you are only temporarily tapping timecode to your camera then turning on/off will pause timecode.
Do I need this if I use Pluraleyes?
Thanks , this video is super helpful !!!!
Great explanation. Let's say I have an FS5 that shows up to a shoot and needs sync. If I carry my own one of these and get sync from the recorder, what would the post department have to do as far as getting the tentacle software? Can it be downloaded for free if you haven't purchased the actual device?
It's either adding audio timecode to devices without timecode sync input OR its adding timecode directly to devices with timecode sync. So all your post department needs is the ability to sync timecode or embedded audio timecode. Most software can do that.
@@bsetter Thanks for getting back to me. That's great to know I can use this this to embed the timecode and hand off the footage and they can sync my stuff to their audio. Probably a little grumble from the editor as it'll take an extra step or two. That'll help out alot. What a great little gadget.
Tentacle sync is a very nice device but absolutely overpriced, but you can find for renting quite easily.
Nice video BTW
exactly what TC solution have you found that is cheaper? I'm used to TC costing several hundred each into the thousands, and being bigger. The TCS, Nano, and others are all similarly priced. Just curious what you mean by overpriced
Great Video! Music too loud.
Can I use it for BMPCC 4k?