Love Sunday Bikes. I love my Soundwave 20 inch. But after buying it, I'm broke. LOL hopefully next year I can get me a 29in Sunday. Also a thing I think that gets understated is the company's customer support. Their warranty department and customer service is second to none
Man, I am really enjoying this bike, riding it almost daily. I wish I experienced the customer service first hand ... but I’ve messaged them on IG and also sent them an email with pictures and never received a response. Probably because they’re overloaded ... but still, wasn’t ideal. Anyway, I should give them a call because I do need some parts for my 2020 bike, and I’d like another set of the 2021 29er handlebars so the riding positions are identical. How’s the Soundwave? I want to get a smaller bike to learn bunnyhopping and small aerial stuff.
@@dadmodewheeliegang Love my Soundwave, but admittedly I went overboard. My birthday was coming up ( turned 46 )and when the wife asked what I wanted , I said the Soundwave. The things a beast. All aftermarket Odyssey parts, lifetime warranty on the frame, forks, bars and cranks. But, if you're just planning to ride casually and not do anything too crazy, get yourself something in the $500 range. Just make sure it's got a fully chromo frame and sealed everything.
I picked up my Army Green Sunday High C 29er about a month ago BUT with a black Sunday seat!! 😎 Free swap for the brown one. Don't ask LoL. Previously I owned a full suspension 29er MTB that I sold this past April for $2K and I used 1/4 of that to purchase this bike. I'm having a blast on this bike and ride it wayyy more often than my previous MTB. Especially around the neighborhood with my son on his Cult Devotion 20. I like the fact that this bike is a little under the radar because it keeps prices down. 👍 Currently looking into getting the Sunrise Fade for the wife. EDIT: Purchased the Sunrise Fade about a month ago for wifey and just put a deposit down for another matte green one for her brother scheduled to arrive in a month.
Man, that’s a great idea to have his-n-her bikes, and the new version is just a little bit more usable as a “daily” than the previous one. I have some great converted xbikes, but I almost never ride them because I’d rather be sitting upright, in command, on the big bmx. With the coming of winter, I’m considering some knobbie 29’s so I can keep playing when it gets a bit muddy.
Was going to sell My MTB, but will wait till I can get my head around going back to a fixed gear. My wife says I must sell to buy first. But 2 completely different rides. Have to admit after a major ankle operation 18 months ago, the Specialized MTB spends most days in the shed
Amazing review. I think this is the bike I need at nearly 40 years old. I’ve always wanted to learn to wheelie. I had a mongoose sgx pro 25 years ago. Beautiful metallic blue and chrome. Used to jump it with my buddies into the pond!
Thanks, I don’t know why the audio file got corrupted, but I edited this video together completely on my iPhone X, and it sounds crystal in IMovie, but every time I exported to upload to TH-cam the audio was bad. I was so far into it I didn’t want to overdub the entire thing. Sorry for the scratchy noise blast!!
I have looked all over the internet for this bike and it's sold out everywhere. I walked into a little bmx shop by my house today and they had one in the rack. I bought it immediately but now I have to wait for the snow to melt.
Awesome, congrats on the purchase. Hope you enjoy it as much as I do mine. I’m going to film a quick upgrade video soon showing my mods, so stay tuned for that
Just got the sunrise fade today. I rode it with the kids and it just feels SO smooth. It's actually lighter than I thought too. Got some decent height on my hops. Now I got me 2 Sunday bikes and I should be good with them for a long while.
Awesome, congratulations. Getting a new bike during these times can definitely be a challenge. Pretty big difference riding the big wheel and the little wheeled bikes (I always wipe out on the littler one, thing rotates so fast!)!
I rock the Sunday x Baker High C, swapped out the Torch rubber for Maxxis Pace, brake is a BoxOne now, and RaceFace Chester pedals. Eats up every surface without effort!
I think it depends on what you're looking for. The Sunday is a well built bike, but I'm not aware of them doing anything for the BikeLife community, whereas SE created the movement and the community, and continues to invest in hosting rideouts, sponsoring rides and riders, etc. I don't see Sunday doing that with their 29" bike, they seem more focused on their 20" customers.
oneway coery and stephan have brought collective bikes to #2 most popular for bikelife, i agree tho SE gets all the credit, i like GT and redline too, also i agree wth you on the u brakes and gearing, great content thanks for the reveiw
I grew up on 20" BMX (I'm 38) and recently fell for the Big BMX. I have a 2021 GT Performer 29, 2018 Big Flyer 29 and the 2018 OM Duro 27.5+. Just picked up the OM Duro and have yet to ride it as I don't have a Presta style valve adaptor.
Thank you; it's definitely been a great way to get some fitness into my life, and strike some life/work balance (pun intended). I did put together a video after I hit my first 1 minute time goal for wheelies and my progress from the start (some pretty embarrassing attempts) ; th-cam.com/video/OUvPFGzcbeM/w-d-xo.html
@@322HzSquareWave I haven't ridden the GT Performer, so I can't make a knowledgeable comment. I have ridden next to people who rock the heck out of them, so I wouldn't say anything negative. The frame downtube is personal preference on the styling and heritage look to me ... but I will say that some of the color schemes are fantastic.
I still ride bmx at 38, but I can't just cruise with the kids on one without trying to ride everything I see. So I bought a 29 inch mountain bike and it's great and everything, but I hate mtb geometry. The SE bikes look awesome, but I remember the junk we rode in the 80s and 90s, and they look only slightly better. I've always had at least one or two odyssey parts on my bikes since I was a kid. I want/need one of these
Awesome review!! Best I've seen on the Sunday 29er :) Just curious since we now have a 2022 version can you share or make a video on that compared to 2021 🤔?
Thank you very much and sorry I didn’t get to this comment quickly. Unfortunately I don’t have access to a 2022 model yet to see what the differences are, I’ve been spending time on my monster quad for the most part as I’ve really been taken with disc brakes
@@dadmodewheeliegang hey man jus Wanted to say if you go to your local bike shop and tell them you make videos on bike’s maybe they’ll let you borrow it including others for videos let viewers know where the shop is etc maybe even get a sponsor from them
@@Mediaedia that would be very cool, as there are a couple bikes I'd love to showcase, but so far, nothing has materialized and I'm still "self-sponsored" :)
You really should give GT A try. GT makes a fantastic Dyno pro comp and a GT pro performer world tour edition. those 2 bikes are In my opinion the best out of Box 29" bmx bikes made at this time.
I would love to spend some time on a GT! I love the frame design near the neck, but the upside down vbrakes trip me out. Easy to adjust when the bike is flipped I’m sure. Mostly, I couldn’t find the GT I wanted to try, and I think the ones I wanted to check out were north of $650. In any event, I’ve spent several hundred miles on a new Big Ripper and I’m now playing with a Monster Quad, so I’ll be putting out an in depth review video for those models in the coming month or so. Been having too much fun riding to actually get my thoughts together and shoot some focused video.
so between the GT, Sunday, big ripper, or monster which would you recommend for a 5'9 rider looking to wheelie, cruise around town, and get some fitness in ?
I have 3 of the High C’s. The hot pink, black and billiard green. I was wanting to upgrade the freewheel to the hornet but was curious about the front sprocket. Will a 30-32 fit on these??
The 30T fits without issue, but on some 33's and 36T, you need to space the sprocket out a little from the BB so it doesn't rub on the chain stay (the part of the frame going back to the rear axle). If you put a 19mm spacer between the bottom bracket (BB) and the crank arm and sprocket, make sure you add the same size spacer on the non-drive side so your pedals are the same distance from the BB on each side.
Thank you for putting your video on this bike. I'm actually looking to get a new bike just to commute in the city and saw this really cool BMX bike! This looks amazing, but I wonder how good it will actually be for rolling around longer distances, and also occasionally going up hill. I never owned a BMX before so I have no experience - would you recommend it or should I get a city bike with gears instead? I worry it will be very tiring to go on a bike trips and stuff, and on my old bike I change gears pretty often.
Hi Mac, this bike is great, and can handle small hills with ease. If you have anything decent, it will be a challenge with the single speed, but folks are regularly riding these bikes 20-50 miles at a time and they are doing pretty well. I think a proper city bike with gears may suit you better if you’re planning trips, and looking to carry luggage also
@@dadmodewheeliegang Thank you very much for a response! You are right I think I have to decide what will be main purpose of this bike and then decide according. Damn this one looks like a lot of fun nonetheless :)
I’m not good enough to do 180’s yet, but I’ve jumped off a lot of curbs and banged the rear wheel learning to bunny hop up a lot of curbs and the wheels are fine. There’s a guy I saw on Instagram who is doing 180’s on his High-C, but I don’t remember his user name.
I have a 2020 and I changed out everything you mentioned except the seat. For the breaks I just swapped to softer pads, changed the gearing and handle bars for the new ones. I can’t stand the bike life scene.. I think it’s a little cringe, but the bike is nice to cruise around on.
I don't like quick releases on my city bike's seatposts. Makes me nervous when I pop into a shop. Water bottle mount is awesome. I would put a lock there myself, but just the option to carry something is good. Steel is real. I test rode a bike from their sister company, the Fairdale Taj 27.5. Same brake system as the 2020. The Taj is low priced, so if I have to change the pads or the whole brake system it is not a huge deal. No bottle mount either. The Taj feels like it falls way more onto the Cruiser side of a BMX Cruiser. Where would you say this bike falls?
Personally, I’ll never go back to a “U-brake” again, no matter what brake pads are used. At a minimum, I need the “V-brake” style, so the 2021/2022 Sundays and Se Bikes are my go-to bikes these days. I think the High C is an incredible value for the overall construction and build quality. It’s not perfect, but it’s a great start. I haven’t spent time on a Taj (never seen one in person, actually, on any rideout I’ve been on), but I personally don’t like the idea of 27.5” because getting tubes or tires might be an issue because they’re less common that 26”/29”
@@dadmodewheeliegang You are right about tires. I checked it out before buying, you are limited in choices and likely have to rely on online shops. The other options are to run fast rolling cross country mrb tires. Tubes are not a problem as it is a common mtb size. SE has a PK Ripper 27.5, so I van always try to get the stock tire from that bike.
SE Bikes although today is popular for #bikelife ( big BMX bikes ) have deep roots in BMX. They deserve this boom in their brand. Odyssey --> ( Sunday ) also have a long history in BMX and I belive has been making Big BMX bikes longer, but so have many other companies. As long as fun is had, its all that matters I guess.
Exactly, I think the true goal should be getting more people off the couch, and into riding. Having fun, hides all the healthy benefits that riding brings!
How have the new brake pads been doing so far? Just bought a High C last night (a fluke to find one, I know) and might consider changing out the pads even before my first ride.
For me, the stock pads ate into my rim so fast ... audibly an issue, so I swapped to Kool Stops and was much happier. I rode it for about 3 months like that, and at Christmas I swapped the entire brake assembly for a hydraulic Magura system, which has been pretty awesome. Stopping power is way up, but the main benefit for me is less overall braking effort so I have less hand/forearm fatigue. Used to be my right arm would tire out during a long wheelie (1-2 minutes), but with the hydraulics, I’m finding it’s my left arm that is now the weak link. I’m going to do a new video soon showing all my mods to the bike, gearing, wheels, tires, brakes, bottom bracket, etc. stay tuned for that in the coming weeks
Hi Dominic, I’ve had good experiences with the Cult x Vans tires, and I also use the Slime filled tubes. I was also thinking of trying a 29” mtb tire when the weather gets bad in my area, because we’ll get several months of rain and I might be stuck on trails more than the street.
I brought this bike in the Orange. Its great, most probably the Best 29" as in short chainstay. Gearing is great. I don't like the seat tube thumb lock, as in it moves so much. Maybe to much lube ahh! And I prefer aluminium or metal pedals. Most up market MTB don't even come with pedals, cut costs. And your choice to buy a pedal. Odesey are the Best plastic pedal for money. SE Bikes v Sunday are not on the same level. SE are aluminium, compared to chromoly. You can't fracture a top end Sunday. Nice wheelies thoe.
Thanks man, I agree with a lot of your assessment. I also have a big ripper now that I’m playing with, so sometime this summer I’m going to do a head to head comparison. They’re the same, but different. Oh, I also had trouble with the seat clamp. Too much lube (any lube) for sure.
I’ve spent 600+ miles on a Big Ripper this year, so yes, I will be comparing the two (and others) in an upcoming video. Waiting on a Bluetooth microphone so I can get decent audio while filming
Hi. Being that you have a good amount of experience on the Hi C, I have a question. My wheelie game is improving, but I'm not dialed to feathering the brakes yet. Do I need to get a different lever or whatever else or can I dial in my wheelies with the stock bike?
Hi Vic, it is totally possible to dial in your wheelies on a 100% stock bike. The changes I made were for more comfort when wheelying past a minute or so. I think changing the brake pads is a good idea, but the stock brake lever and V-brake is adequate for sure.
@@dadmodewheeliegang Do you suggest some clear or regular pads. I know the clear pads are supposed to be more sticky. I bought some clear pads a while ago and haven't used them yet.
Sunday is more heavily involved in the freestyle bmx scene, more of the wheelie bmx they might make but they aren’t the time of company to devote as much to it as SE as it’s more of a after thought.
@@dadmodewheeliegang so not enough thread on the Axle for a peg? Even though I doubt i would ever scrape them. Think this bike looks good to keep as a tidy non scratched bike. Was hoping they would of brought out a 2021 in chrome like 2020. I hate scratching Paint, especially gloss
@@dadmodewheeliegang nice. so switching to a 30 t whats the reason? is it for willies or is it just a better and faster ride. mines is used for work and pleasure so i would really like some advice on what and why you do some of the things. i just want to get more educated on my bike. Much MAHALOS
@Jay it’s just preference, going to 30T up front. I think it’s easier to carry long (1minute+) wheelies with a 30/15, and the 28/15 I think I’m spinning too much and using too much energy pedaling instead of pedaling harder with the 30 and then coasting/cruising more while it’s already up in the air. The 28 does make it pop up super quick, and I don’t mind leaving the 28 on, but it doesn’t match my 2020 bike, so I want the gearing to be the same for consistency while I’m still learning. Man, riding for work AND pleasure sounds good! I don’t have a real commute anymore due to Covid and working from home. I’ve pretty much ridden my bicycles more than I’ve driven cars this year, which is incredible when I think about it. I used to try and drive 15-20K miles a year, but definitely not anymore. It just takes too much time
im trying to understand the sprockets as im new to bike i just picked up a matte green sunday hi c and i want it easier to pop wheelies. should i go 15t origin8 first rather than a smaller front sprocket?
How tall are you? I am 5'6" and 53 yrs old and just gave my Kink Whip to my step son, so I want another BMX and am think of big bike BMX this time. I figured 29" would be too tall for me. But I hear so many riders say it's easy to get used to.
Hi Jeff, I think you’ll be just fine. There are thousands of teens and adults your size that are killing it on these bikes. I’m 5’11, 185# at this point. From a price point perspective, the Sunday is a great value for the overall quality of components, and the cheaper bikes like Framed, leave a lot to be desired if you’re planning to put some real miles into the bike.
I'm 6'4 and 305lbs. I bought my 6yr old son a Sunday BMX bike yesterday. I wanted to have film with him. Most say to 29". Others say do 24" since I already have a beach cruiser and can run the dog while with him. Without the dog, my son and I can romp around. What do you think? I want to jump curbs, etc.So 24 2021 Sunday?
Great question, and honestly, at your size, the 24” will still be too small. Sure, the wheels will be “stronger” if you land crooked, but for the most part, you’ll be cramped and it will be impossible to sit and pedal on that bike (trust me, I just sold my 24” Sunday Model C three weeks ago). I am all about the 29” bikes for adult sizes these days ... with only the fat tired 26” bikes (SE Fat Quad, Fat Ripper) being another viable option, albeit slightly heavier and slower.
@@dadmodewheeliegang thank you so much for the quick response. OK, so I've made the decision based on your advice. I'm actually driving as we speak from Diego to LA to get one bc all shops are sold out for 6wks down here.which is better with resale, etc? The red or the green?
I think the red version is gorgeous in person, but both bikes are nice. I went with green because I liked the simple aesthetic and especially the brown seat. I think red is more appealing for the wheelie crowd. You’re pretty lucky there are shops in driving distance with new bikes! Everything in the Bay Area feels sold out, and Facebook marketplace is full of $1,000+ Big Flyers and up. $1,200+ Big Rippers. Having ridden both, I stand by my assertion that the High C is the best bang for the buck at its price point.
@@dadmodewheeliegang bro, I just drove back and got the green. Can't wait to take it out with my 6yr old boy tomorrow. I got him a Sunday Primer yesterday after getting fed up. I got him a Walmart bike with training wheels back then. Took the wheels off after some time. He got pretty good so step time to freewheel. Then I went to target last week and saw the mongoose and got it. Suprised him after school for no reason. Man, it was pure junk after really working on it. You could adjust the brakes ever as it was always off. Other things were cheap and annoying. I got fed up and just went into a shop and they had 1 18". He said not trying to be a car salesman but if you follow the market, these things are insanely hard to get. They're flying off the shelves. I got it and in the 3 hrs all the things I was looking at were gone. Glad I got the only model as they said they won't have any for 6wks. He loves it as it actually works with quality parts made in the USA versus companies that went big business and went on volume from China over quality. So this should be fun tomorrow
Hi, I’m 5’11” and it feels a little cramped to be seated and pedaling … raising the seat 4-5” up from the bottom helps and it’s much more natural at that height, but the seat then gets in the way a little for other tricks or hops, manuals, etc. I did add a different handlebar (+1.5” taller), and after riding for some time with it, I could go to a 9” bmx bar without issue.
I ride these bikes for miles, just did 15.5 with my wife yesterday mostly on paved trails, street, and some light hills (about 500 foot elevation changes based on my GPS tracking). Majority of people who are buying these bikes can't wheelie anyway, and just cruise around on them.
@Liam S Hi buddy. Love the Hi C since I got it a month ago. One thing I don't like too much though , is the seat clamp/post. What's a good alternative to the stock post/clamp? Is there a good option from Odyessey?
Hey Vic, glad to hear you’re enjoying it. I ended up using the original seat clamp, but I changed the seat post to one from “Nashbar” I got on eBay. It’s got more adjustability than the original. And if it’s not all greased up, it holds well. If you really want to spend money on the clamp, there’s a nice one from Salsa ... but it’s pricey. I’ll make a video in a few weeks showing the upgrades I’ve made to my bike. It’s been a fun journey so far!
I ditched my adjustable seat clamp/post for a non-adjustable type (bolt & nut, the way seat posts were secured before the adjustable types were invented).
I think this gray one was just a cheapo from a big box sporting goods store. I switched it out for an Arundel one that holds my UE Boom 3 Bluetooth speaker. Actually, I’m hoping to film a “bike update” this weekend showing the mods I’ve made since October, hopefully it helps other figure out what works for them
@@dadmodewheeliegang YES! 4 weeks out of surgery and I've already been for 5 rides 🤣 Filmed two episodes too. I am eager to get back to jumping but have to be a little cautious. Thank you for asking!!
@@dadmodewheeliegang ok 👍 thanks I love my Sunday funday 20inch, but really fell in love with the quad! Now here's the kicker monster quad for 650 or high c for 300 both almost new condition stock?
@@toad2039 I think I’d lean towards the Quad because the frame is so unique and I personally like disc brakes. Whichever one you get, enjoy it in good health!
My Big Flyer is 33/15 factory. Feels kinda chill to me. Could be a little easier with a 16T freewheel....but my Big Flyer ratio feels MUCH better than my 2021 GT Performer which has 36/17.
Sorry man, I gotta say, the shipping folks have been moving a lot of stuff since this pandemic started, so hopefully it wasn’t major damage and you can just cover it up with a decal
@@dadmodewheeliegang Yeah I’m not worried about it, the way I see it is it’s a bike it’s meant to be thrown around I’ll probably do more damage to it over time than the guys who shipped it ever could 😂
Nice review. I ride 7km to work daily on a Specialized 29er Rockhopper, looking for something different. How would this 29 bike go for a 185cm person sitting down on a daily ride to and from work cheers?
We are basically the same height, and I think this bike would be easy for the commute. You may want to consider a slightly taller handlebar if comfort is the priority. Between my 2 bikes, one has a handlebar that is 1.5” taller, and that bike just feels much larger and more comfortable. However, it is not as agile, so I don’t use it as much for wheelie practice, and I added a front rack/basket from Origin8 to carry groceries. It still wheelies even with the added weight of the rack. I will also say I think these bikes will seem a little heavier than your Rockhopper. I have an old 1993 Rockhopper that I’ve been converting to xbiking and it’s so light.
@@dadmodewheeliegang thanks mate great review. Try buying a 29er in Australia at the moment, like finding Hens Teeth! Can get a Sunday 29 in Early March for $1,200. Shops are saying since Covid people are buying heaps of bikes, and shipping logistics issues bloody covid
Stand over height might be a little challenging, but overall I think you’ll be fine. There are thousands of younger guys riding the heck out of their wheelie bikes, and they’re about your size.
@@27jacobhartley that's the one thing that worried me, big guys on small bikes. I have sat on the Orange high C, it feels good. But I want the green one. At $1,200 they are expensive especially when put up against a 29er Mountain bike, that money gets you a lot of performance parts brakes shocks etc.
@@dadmodewheeliegang cheers for that, I did read it google it, but I swear i seen in the high c manual it was a cassette. All good any way. Cheers for the info
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Thank you for the review! Super informative and you covered a lot! Enjoy and stay safe! 🤘🏼😎
Thank you, and to you as well!
@@dadmodewheeliegangjust watching this for the second time! 😆
@@xSF5150x That's a sign - it's time to jump on a bike (any bike) and go for a ride!!
Love Sunday Bikes. I love my Soundwave 20 inch. But after buying it, I'm broke. LOL hopefully next year I can get me a 29in Sunday. Also a thing I think that gets understated is the company's customer support. Their warranty department and customer service is second to none
Man, I am really enjoying this bike, riding it almost daily. I wish I experienced the customer service first hand ... but I’ve messaged them on IG and also sent them an email with pictures and never received a response. Probably because they’re overloaded ... but still, wasn’t ideal. Anyway, I should give them a call because I do need some parts for my 2020 bike, and I’d like another set of the 2021 29er handlebars so the riding positions are identical. How’s the Soundwave? I want to get a smaller bike to learn bunnyhopping and small aerial stuff.
@@dadmodewheeliegang Love my Soundwave, but admittedly I went overboard. My birthday was coming up ( turned 46 )and when the wife asked what I wanted , I said the Soundwave. The things a beast. All aftermarket Odyssey parts, lifetime warranty on the frame, forks, bars and cranks. But, if you're just planning to ride casually and not do anything too crazy, get yourself something in the $500 range. Just make sure it's got a fully chromo frame and sealed everything.
I picked up my Army Green Sunday High C 29er about a month ago BUT with a black Sunday seat!! 😎 Free swap for the brown one. Don't ask LoL. Previously I owned a full suspension 29er MTB that I sold this past April for $2K and I used 1/4 of that to purchase this bike. I'm having a blast on this bike and ride it wayyy more often than my previous MTB. Especially around the neighborhood with my son on his Cult Devotion 20.
I like the fact that this bike is a little under the radar because it keeps prices down. 👍 Currently looking into getting the Sunrise Fade for the wife.
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Purchased the Sunrise Fade about a month ago for wifey and just put a deposit down for another matte green one for her brother scheduled to arrive in a month.
Man, that’s a great idea to have his-n-her bikes, and the new version is just a little bit more usable as a “daily” than the previous one. I have some great converted xbikes, but I almost never ride them because I’d rather be sitting upright, in command, on the big bmx. With the coming of winter, I’m considering some knobbie 29’s so I can keep playing when it gets a bit muddy.
Was going to sell My MTB, but will wait till I can get my head around going back to a fixed gear. My wife says I must sell to buy first. But 2 completely different rides. Have to admit after a major ankle operation 18 months ago, the Specialized MTB spends most days in the shed
Amazing review. I think this is the bike I need at nearly 40 years old.
I’ve always wanted to learn to wheelie.
I had a mongoose sgx pro 25 years ago. Beautiful metallic blue and chrome. Used to jump it with my buddies into the pond!
This really helps when looking for bikes to buy but maybe fix your mic because it almost blew out my speakers
Thanks, I don’t know why the audio file got corrupted, but I edited this video together completely on my iPhone X, and it sounds crystal in IMovie, but every time I exported to upload to TH-cam the audio was bad. I was so far into it I didn’t want to overdub the entire thing. Sorry for the scratchy noise blast!!
I have looked all over the internet for this bike and it's sold out everywhere. I walked into a little bmx shop by my house today and they had one in the rack. I bought it immediately but now I have to wait for the snow to melt.
Awesome, congrats on the purchase. Hope you enjoy it as much as I do mine. I’m going to film a quick upgrade video soon showing my mods, so stay tuned for that
Just got the sunrise fade today. I rode it with the kids and it just feels SO smooth. It's actually lighter than I thought too. Got some decent height on my hops. Now I got me 2 Sunday bikes and I should be good with them for a long while.
Awesome, congratulations. Getting a new bike during these times can definitely be a challenge. Pretty big difference riding the big wheel and the little wheeled bikes (I always wipe out on the littler one, thing rotates so fast!)!
Great review ! Picked up the sunrise fade a couple weeks back it’s an awesome bike !
Doug, I am so glad you liked the review video and glad to hear you’re enjoying your High C!
I rock the Sunday x Baker High C, swapped out the Torch rubber for Maxxis Pace, brake is a BoxOne now, and RaceFace Chester pedals. Eats up every surface without effort!
They're a really nice, solid bike. I've never checked out the Maxxis Pace tire - I'll have to see if they're being used in my area. Thanks!
Just got this bike the other day I love it feels great rides amazing wheelies great too 🤙
That’s awesome, glad to hear you’re enjoying it already!
What will you say is better a Sunday or a big ripper
I think it depends on what you're looking for. The Sunday is a well built bike, but I'm not aware of them doing anything for the BikeLife community, whereas SE created the movement and the community, and continues to invest in hosting rideouts, sponsoring rides and riders, etc. I don't see Sunday doing that with their 29" bike, they seem more focused on their 20" customers.
oneway coery and stephan have brought collective bikes to #2 most popular for bikelife, i agree tho SE gets all the credit, i like GT and redline too, also i agree wth you on the u brakes and gearing, great content thanks for the reveiw
I grew up on 20" BMX (I'm 38) and recently fell for the Big BMX. I have a 2021 GT Performer 29, 2018 Big Flyer 29 and the 2018 OM Duro 27.5+.
Just picked up the OM Duro and have yet to ride it as I don't have a Presta style valve adaptor.
For doing wheelies less than a year you’re pretty good!
Thank you; it's definitely been a great way to get some fitness into my life, and strike some life/work balance (pun intended). I did put together a video after I hit my first 1 minute time goal for wheelies and my progress from the start (some pretty embarrassing attempts) ; th-cam.com/video/OUvPFGzcbeM/w-d-xo.html
@@dadmodewheeliegang watched it, lol the skippy bag was so unnecessary haha. Inspiring nonetheless!
@@SH-ry2xi finally! Someone watched the Skippy video. That came about because of a bet my wife made with me, and I did whatever it took to win ;)
Would you recommend the High C 29 or the GT Performer?
@@322HzSquareWave I haven't ridden the GT Performer, so I can't make a knowledgeable comment. I have ridden next to people who rock the heck out of them, so I wouldn't say anything negative. The frame downtube is personal preference on the styling and heritage look to me ... but I will say that some of the color schemes are fantastic.
Thank you ! No one ever mentions the freewheel size.
No worries, glad it helped!
I still ride bmx at 38, but I can't just cruise with the kids on one without trying to ride everything I see.
So I bought a 29 inch mountain bike and it's great and everything, but I hate mtb geometry. The SE bikes look awesome, but I remember the junk we rode in the 80s and 90s, and they look only slightly better. I've always had at least one or two odyssey parts on my bikes since I was a kid.
I want/need one of these
All the 29” big bmx bikes tend to share the same geometry it seems.
Awesome review!! Best I've seen on the Sunday 29er :) Just curious since we now have a 2022 version can you share or make a video on that compared to 2021 🤔?
Thank you very much and sorry I didn’t get to this comment quickly. Unfortunately I don’t have access to a 2022 model yet to see what the differences are, I’ve been spending time on my monster quad for the most part as I’ve really been taken with disc brakes
@@dadmodewheeliegang hey man jus
Wanted to say if you go to your local bike shop and tell them you make videos on bike’s maybe they’ll let you borrow it including others for videos let viewers know where the shop is etc maybe even get a sponsor from them
@@Mediaedia that would be very cool, as there are a couple bikes I'd love to showcase, but so far, nothing has materialized and I'm still "self-sponsored" :)
My wife just bought me the SundayXBaker (only 420 made!) for my birthday!!!
DUDE. That is super awesome of her. I’m jealous, because it’s such a clean looking machine!
You really should give GT A try. GT makes a fantastic Dyno pro comp and a GT pro performer world tour edition. those 2 bikes are In my opinion the best out of Box 29" bmx bikes made at this time.
I would love to spend some time on a GT! I love the frame design near the neck, but the upside down vbrakes trip me out. Easy to adjust when the bike is flipped I’m sure. Mostly, I couldn’t find the GT I wanted to try, and I think the ones I wanted to check out were north of $650. In any event, I’ve spent several hundred miles on a new Big Ripper and I’m now playing with a Monster Quad, so I’ll be putting out an in depth review video for those models in the coming month or so. Been having too much fun riding to actually get my thoughts together and shoot some focused video.
so between the GT, Sunday, big ripper, or monster which would you recommend for a 5'9 rider looking to wheelie, cruise around town, and get some fitness in ?
I have 3 of the High C’s. The hot pink, black and billiard green. I was wanting to upgrade the freewheel to the hornet but was curious about the front sprocket. Will a 30-32 fit on these??
The 30T fits without issue, but on some 33's and 36T, you need to space the sprocket out a little from the BB so it doesn't rub on the chain stay (the part of the frame going back to the rear axle). If you put a 19mm spacer between the bottom bracket (BB) and the crank arm and sprocket, make sure you add the same size spacer on the non-drive side so your pedals are the same distance from the BB on each side.
Steel, baby! Love it. I'm getting one now
Is this bike considered a single gear or fixed bike?
Hi, this is a single speed bike, definitely not a fixed gear.
Thank you for putting your video on this bike. I'm actually looking to get a new bike just to commute in the city and saw this really cool BMX bike! This looks amazing, but I wonder how good it will actually be for rolling around longer distances, and also occasionally going up hill. I never owned a BMX before so I have no experience - would you recommend it or should I get a city bike with gears instead? I worry it will be very tiring to go on a bike trips and stuff, and on my old bike I change gears pretty often.
Hi Mac, this bike is great, and can handle small hills with ease. If you have anything decent, it will be a challenge with the single speed, but folks are regularly riding these bikes 20-50 miles at a time and they are doing pretty well. I think a proper city bike with gears may suit you better if you’re planning trips, and looking to carry luggage also
@@dadmodewheeliegang Thank you very much for a response! You are right I think I have to decide what will be main purpose of this bike and then decide according. Damn this one looks like a lot of fun nonetheless :)
@@macwie5026 it’s incredibly fun and durable
Have you tried doing 180s at all? Are your hubs loose or shaking? im just wondering how durable it may be
I’m not good enough to do 180’s yet, but I’ve jumped off a lot of curbs and banged the rear wheel learning to bunny hop up a lot of curbs and the wheels are fine. There’s a guy I saw on Instagram who is doing 180’s on his High-C, but I don’t remember his user name.
I have a 2020 and I changed out everything you mentioned except the seat. For the breaks I just swapped to softer pads, changed the gearing and handle bars for the new ones. I can’t stand the bike life scene.. I think it’s a little cringe, but the bike is nice to cruise around on.
I don't like quick releases on my city bike's seatposts. Makes me nervous when I pop into a shop.
Water bottle mount is awesome. I would put a lock there myself, but just the option to carry something is good.
Steel is real.
I test rode a bike from their sister company, the Fairdale Taj 27.5. Same brake system as the 2020. The Taj is low priced, so if I have to change the pads or the whole brake system it is not a huge deal. No bottle mount either.
The Taj feels like it falls way more onto the Cruiser side of a BMX Cruiser. Where would you say this bike falls?
Personally, I’ll never go back to a “U-brake” again, no matter what brake pads are used. At a minimum, I need the “V-brake” style, so the 2021/2022 Sundays and Se Bikes are my go-to bikes these days. I think the High C is an incredible value for the overall construction and build quality. It’s not perfect, but it’s a great start. I haven’t spent time on a Taj (never seen one in person, actually, on any rideout I’ve been on), but I personally don’t like the idea of 27.5” because getting tubes or tires might be an issue because they’re less common that 26”/29”
@@dadmodewheeliegang You are right about tires. I checked it out before buying, you are limited in choices and likely have to rely on online shops. The other options are to run fast rolling cross country mrb tires. Tubes are not a problem as it is a common mtb size. SE has a PK Ripper 27.5, so I van always try to get the stock tire from that bike.
SE Bikes although today is popular for #bikelife ( big BMX bikes ) have deep roots in BMX. They deserve this boom in their brand. Odyssey --> ( Sunday ) also have a long history in BMX and I belive has been making Big BMX bikes longer, but so have many other companies. As long as fun is had, its all that matters I guess.
Exactly, I think the true goal should be getting more people off the couch, and into riding. Having fun, hides all the healthy benefits that riding brings!
How have the new brake pads been doing so far? Just bought a High C last night (a fluke to find one, I know) and might consider changing out the pads even before my first ride.
For me, the stock pads ate into my rim so fast ... audibly an issue, so I swapped to Kool Stops and was much happier. I rode it for about 3 months like that, and at Christmas I swapped the entire brake assembly for a hydraulic Magura system, which has been pretty awesome. Stopping power is way up, but the main benefit for me is less overall braking effort so I have less hand/forearm fatigue. Used to be my right arm would tire out during a long wheelie (1-2 minutes), but with the hydraulics, I’m finding it’s my left arm that is now the weak link. I’m going to do a new video soon showing all my mods to the bike, gearing, wheels, tires, brakes, bottom bracket, etc. stay tuned for that in the coming weeks
great review and rly thorough
Thanks Hudson, appreciate it!
You mention your changing tires because of a lot of thorns. What brand are you going with?
Hi Dominic, I’ve had good experiences with the Cult x Vans tires, and I also use the Slime filled tubes. I was also thinking of trying a 29” mtb tire when the weather gets bad in my area, because we’ll get several months of rain and I might be stuck on trails more than the street.
thanks for the video, i lov this bike style
Great review and compare to 2020 model. Hard to find this info anywhere.
Thank you, hope you liked the video
I bought the last one in Hawaii lol
I brought this bike in the Orange. Its great, most probably the Best 29" as in short chainstay. Gearing is great. I don't like the seat tube thumb lock, as in it moves so much. Maybe to much lube ahh! And I prefer aluminium or metal pedals. Most up market MTB don't even come with pedals, cut costs. And your choice to buy a pedal. Odesey are the Best plastic pedal for money. SE Bikes v Sunday are not on the same level. SE are aluminium, compared to chromoly. You can't fracture a top end Sunday. Nice wheelies thoe.
Thanks man, I agree with a lot of your assessment. I also have a big ripper now that I’m playing with, so sometime this summer I’m going to do a head to head comparison. They’re the same, but different. Oh, I also had trouble with the seat clamp. Too much lube (any lube) for sure.
Have you ridden an se ripper as well? Can you compare the two?
I’ve spent 600+ miles on a Big Ripper this year, so yes, I will be comparing the two (and others) in an upcoming video. Waiting on a Bluetooth microphone so I can get decent audio while filming
@@dadmodewheeliegang awesome im on the fence on these two. Im 250 lbs i need a strong bike.
Hi. Being that you have a good amount of experience on the Hi C, I have a question. My wheelie game is improving, but I'm not dialed to feathering the brakes yet. Do I need to get a different lever or whatever else or can I dial in my wheelies with the stock bike?
Hi Vic, it is totally possible to dial in your wheelies on a 100% stock bike. The changes I made were for more comfort when wheelying past a minute or so. I think changing the brake pads is a good idea, but the stock brake lever and V-brake is adequate for sure.
@@dadmodewheeliegang Do you suggest some clear or regular pads. I know the clear pads are supposed to be more sticky. I bought some clear pads a while ago and haven't used them yet.
Dat green is fire! Gots the drip to match dat.
You got matching drip, I got matching truck!
Sunday is more heavily involved in the freestyle bmx scene, more of the wheelie bmx they might make but they aren’t the time of company to devote as much to it as SE as it’s more of a after thought.
And they have done a better job
@@alansandell8026agreed SE bikes are overpriced pieces of garbage.
How much are they selling for?
How much should one be used?
Thanks 😊
Wow the Army green are hard to Find, orange is available in my local store. Rear pegs would be good to
Rear pegs and a longer rear axle would definitely be a nice addition. Maybe the 2022 model?
@@dadmodewheeliegang so not enough thread on the Axle for a peg? Even though I doubt i would ever scrape them. Think this bike looks good to keep as a tidy non scratched bike. Was hoping they would of brought out a 2021 in chrome like 2020. I hate scratching Paint, especially gloss
I totally want one in full chrome, also .. would be the ideal for me
Ive been wanting to change my 13t to a 15 t also. did you have to get a new chain or did it fit using the same chain. good review.
Hi Jay, I needed to switch chains, and I’m currently running 28-15T, and will be switching to 30-15T in the next week or so.
@@dadmodewheeliegang nice. so switching to a 30 t whats the reason? is it for willies or is it just a better and faster ride. mines is used for work and pleasure so i would really like some advice on what and why you do some of the things. i just want to get more educated on my bike. Much MAHALOS
@Jay it’s just preference, going to 30T up front. I think it’s easier to carry long (1minute+) wheelies with a 30/15, and the 28/15 I think I’m spinning too much and using too much energy pedaling instead of pedaling harder with the 30 and then coasting/cruising more while it’s already up in the air. The 28 does make it pop up super quick, and I don’t mind leaving the 28 on, but it doesn’t match my 2020 bike, so I want the gearing to be the same for consistency while I’m still learning. Man, riding for work AND pleasure sounds good! I don’t have a real commute anymore due to Covid and working from home. I’ve pretty much ridden my bicycles more than I’ve driven cars this year, which is incredible when I think about it. I used to try and drive 15-20K miles a year, but definitely not anymore. It just takes too much time
I had to get a new chain for mine. I’m running a 33t/15t combo
sunday high c or the gr pro series what do you think is better snag
I like the Sunday
I’m 6’3” 320 am I good for this bike I won’t bend anything?
im trying to understand the sprockets as im new to bike
i just picked up a matte green sunday hi c and i want it easier to pop wheelies.
should i go 15t origin8 first rather than a smaller front sprocket?
Hi, you can do either, but it’s cheaper to go with a 25T in the front and leave the 13T in the back. Then you can just shorten the chain.
Put your body into those wheelie
How tall are you? I am 5'6" and 53 yrs old and just gave my Kink Whip to my step son, so I want another BMX and am think of big bike BMX this time. I figured 29" would be too tall for me. But I hear so many riders say it's easy to get used to.
Hi Jeff, I think you’ll be just fine. There are thousands of teens and adults your size that are killing it on these bikes. I’m 5’11, 185# at this point. From a price point perspective, the Sunday is a great value for the overall quality of components, and the cheaper bikes like Framed, leave a lot to be desired if you’re planning to put some real miles into the bike.
@@dadmodewheeliegang How do you like it for curb jumping and general BMX screwing around ???
Totally like it, and I also done a bit of light dirt trails with it.
Chromoly is stronger then steel I mean if your car does faster the 10sec then it's gonna need some chromoly roll cage to save your life in a crash
Great video my friend!
Do you have a link for the gear ratio you'd like to change it out to?
I don’t have a link, but I ended up with 30/15, and I think I might shift to 33/15
ahh, can't decide - take 26 or 29"
29” all day long
I'm 6'4 and 305lbs. I bought my 6yr old son a Sunday BMX bike yesterday. I wanted to have film with him. Most say to 29". Others say do 24" since I already have a beach cruiser and can run the dog while with him. Without the dog, my son and I can romp around. What do you think? I want to jump curbs, etc.So 24 2021 Sunday?
Great question, and honestly, at your size, the 24” will still be too small. Sure, the wheels will be “stronger” if you land crooked, but for the most part, you’ll be cramped and it will be impossible to sit and pedal on that bike (trust me, I just sold my 24” Sunday Model C three weeks ago). I am all about the 29” bikes for adult sizes these days ... with only the fat tired 26” bikes (SE Fat Quad, Fat Ripper) being another viable option, albeit slightly heavier and slower.
@@dadmodewheeliegang thank you so much for the quick response. OK, so I've made the decision based on your advice. I'm actually driving as we speak from Diego to LA to get one bc all shops are sold out for 6wks down here.which is better with resale, etc? The red or the green?
I think the red version is gorgeous in person, but both bikes are nice. I went with green because I liked the simple aesthetic and especially the brown seat. I think red is more appealing for the wheelie crowd. You’re pretty lucky there are shops in driving distance with new bikes! Everything in the Bay Area feels sold out, and Facebook marketplace is full of $1,000+ Big Flyers and up. $1,200+ Big Rippers. Having ridden both, I stand by my assertion that the High C is the best bang for the buck at its price point.
@@dadmodewheeliegang bro, I just drove back and got the green. Can't wait to take it out with my 6yr old boy tomorrow. I got him a Sunday Primer yesterday after getting fed up. I got him a Walmart bike with training wheels back then. Took the wheels off after some time. He got pretty good so step time to freewheel. Then I went to target last week and saw the mongoose and got it. Suprised him after school for no reason. Man, it was pure junk after really working on it. You could adjust the brakes ever as it was always off. Other things were cheap and annoying. I got fed up and just went into a shop and they had 1 18". He said not trying to be a car salesman but if you follow the market, these things are insanely hard to get. They're flying off the shelves. I got it and in the 3 hrs all the things I was looking at were gone. Glad I got the only model as they said they won't have any for 6wks. He loves it as it actually works with quality parts made in the USA versus companies that went big business and went on volume from China over quality. So this should be fun tomorrow
Great review man! Question, how tall are you and how cramped do you feel when your sitting down pedaling?
Hi, I’m 5’11” and it feels a little cramped to be seated and pedaling … raising the seat 4-5” up from the bottom helps and it’s much more natural at that height, but the seat then gets in the way a little for other tricks or hops, manuals, etc. I did add a different handlebar (+1.5” taller), and after riding for some time with it, I could go to a 9” bmx bar without issue.
I can’t find this bike anywhere 😭 please help ... it looks so nice with the matte green and it’ll be my first big bike 🚲
I checked some online sites but it looks sold out everywhere!
@@dadmodewheeliegang Hey thanks for looking bro! Appreciate it
What tool did you use to remove the 13t freewheel?
I’m sorry, I don’t remember the number on the tool. I just bought one at the local bike shop and brought it home.
One more question.... Do you thing this bike's setup is ok for just cruisin around, with some hills? Or this setup basically for wheelies??
I ride these bikes for miles, just did 15.5 with my wife yesterday mostly on paved trails, street, and some light hills (about 500 foot elevation changes based on my GPS tracking). Majority of people who are buying these bikes can't wheelie anyway, and just cruise around on them.
@Liam S Hi buddy. Love the Hi C since I got it a month ago. One thing I don't like too much though , is the seat clamp/post. What's a good alternative to the stock post/clamp? Is there a good option from Odyessey?
Hey Vic, glad to hear you’re enjoying it. I ended up using the original seat clamp, but I changed the seat post to one from “Nashbar” I got on eBay. It’s got more adjustability than the original. And if it’s not all greased up, it holds well. If you really want to spend money on the clamp, there’s a nice one from Salsa ... but it’s pricey. I’ll make a video in a few weeks showing the upgrades I’ve made to my bike. It’s been a fun journey so far!
I ditched my adjustable seat clamp/post for a non-adjustable type (bolt & nut, the way seat posts were secured before the adjustable types were invented).
@@mikecrook8434 Hey thanks for the response, but I eventually figured it out back then. Still, riding btw. 😄
I’ve been seeing these everywhere and didn’t know what they were called. You made this look so fun and all I want to do now is get one and ride
Oh yeah!! They’re fantastic!
What bike bottle water holder is that brother ?!
I think this gray one was just a cheapo from a big box sporting goods store. I switched it out for an Arundel one that holds my UE Boom 3 Bluetooth speaker. Actually, I’m hoping to film a “bike update” this weekend showing the mods I’ve made since October, hopefully it helps other figure out what works for them
dang - impressive!
Thank you! How’s your recovery going? Back out on the bike yet?
@@dadmodewheeliegang YES! 4 weeks out of surgery and I've already been for 5 rides 🤣 Filmed two episodes too. I am eager to get back to jumping but have to be a little cautious. Thank you for asking!!
Yo quick question is the haro 2021 downtown 26er a se bike and can it handle wheelies
thank you for excellent review, I'm getting the Sunday High C 2022 purple in a week. how does the bike perform in light gravel or
Hi Elina, light gravel is no problem, but I suggest changing tires to Maxxis Hookworm for durability and thorn protection
please help this a high c bike or a monster quad for riding around town bike life style
I have both but I like the monster quad for around town riding because it’s a bit softer feeling with the big tires
@@dadmodewheeliegang ok 👍 thanks I love my Sunday funday 20inch, but really fell in love with the quad! Now here's the kicker monster quad for 650 or high c for 300 both almost new condition stock?
@@toad2039 I think I’d lean towards the Quad because the frame is so unique and I personally like disc brakes. Whichever one you get, enjoy it in good health!
@@dadmodewheeliegang I have to agree love the Sunday but I think ima enjoy the quad more. Thanks for the opinion appreciated 👍
What freewheel did you go with
Origin8 Hornet 15T
I have a 15t ride out supply sprocket and a knights bike company 33t sprocket on my bike.
You’ve got to be strong to ride that up hills!
My Big Flyer is 33/15 factory. Feels kinda chill to me. Could be a little easier with a 16T freewheel....but my Big Flyer ratio feels MUCH better than my 2021 GT Performer which has 36/17.
My bike came damaged on the forks as well
Sorry man, I gotta say, the shipping folks have been moving a lot of stuff since this pandemic started, so hopefully it wasn’t major damage and you can just cover it up with a decal
@@dadmodewheeliegang Yeah I’m not worried about it, the way I see it is it’s a bike it’s meant to be thrown around I’ll probably do more damage to it over time than the guys who shipped it ever could 😂
Nice review. I ride 7km to work daily on a Specialized 29er Rockhopper, looking for something different. How would this 29 bike go for a 185cm person sitting down on a daily ride to and from work cheers?
We are basically the same height, and I think this bike would be easy for the commute. You may want to consider a slightly taller handlebar if comfort is the priority. Between my 2 bikes, one has a handlebar that is 1.5” taller, and that bike just feels much larger and more comfortable. However, it is not as agile, so I don’t use it as much for wheelie practice, and I added a front rack/basket from Origin8 to carry groceries. It still wheelies even with the added weight of the rack. I will also say I think these bikes will seem a little heavier than your Rockhopper. I have an old 1993 Rockhopper that I’ve been converting to xbiking and it’s so light.
@@dadmodewheeliegang thanks mate great review. Try buying a 29er in Australia at the moment, like finding Hens Teeth! Can get a Sunday 29 in Early March for $1,200. Shops are saying since Covid people are buying heaps of bikes, and shipping logistics issues bloody covid
How'd you put an origin8 on there? I picked one up but its too big for the hub
Max you can go with origin8 is 15T on the stock Sunday hub size. 16T and up won’t work.
Where did you order the bike from?
I bought 1 at my local bike store, 1 online from citygrounds, and I see there are some available at danscomp
I got the hot pink frame yesterday 🥴
Sweet!!
Might be dumb to ask lol, but Does it have a flip flop hub?
Hi Jordin, it does not. It comes with a low flange hub with the smaller side of a flip flop (30mm thread)
Painted rims almost always end up looking like that.
These are anodized, not painted
I’m 5’7 so does this bike fit me ?
Stand over height might be a little challenging, but overall I think you’ll be fine. There are thousands of younger guys riding the heck out of their wheelie bikes, and they’re about your size.
I'm 5'7 as well and can still ride with the seat raised a little feels really comfortable
Kids have been popping wheelies on 29ers for several years. Your height is perfect.
@@27jacobhartley that's the one thing that worried me, big guys on small bikes. I have sat on the Orange high C, it feels good. But I want the green one. At $1,200 they are expensive especially when put up against a 29er Mountain bike, that money gets you a lot of performance parts brakes shocks etc.
Water bottle mount.....smart!
I wish more of the big bmx bikes had that as a feature ... we're out riding these things for hours, so it would be great to carry water
@@dadmodewheeliegang Exactly. I saw that Kink Drifter has a water bottle mount also but none of the others unfortunately.
Is the Sunday a Freewheel or cassette?
It’s a freewheel, the smaller thread on a flip flop hub (typically 13T-15T).
@@dadmodewheeliegang cheers for that, I did read it google it, but I swear i seen in the high c manual it was a cassette. All good any way. Cheers for the info
Is that dent fixable
It’s super small, and with some dirt and dust on the bike, I’m more concerned with riding :)
Can a 300 pound male ride this?
Yes, this bike is definitely sturdy
Short answer: no. Buy an se lol