Bidding On Gunbroker: A Cautionary Tale!
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- Be careful when you're bidding on Gunbroker! In this video, Tom shows us a few tips and tricks on how to spot a suspicious transaction on Gunbroker.
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Tom and Legacy Collectibles is one of very few company's who practice honesty and integrity in this field. So many people/company's who deal in this stuff will lie and exaggerate and take advantage of the less experienced collector for profit. Much respect and thanks to Legacy Collectibles for making videos like this!
yeah but legacy collectibles' guns are so expensive!
Most not few. Stop being ridiculous
@@mattchoppers1you should proofread your comment before posting. I can’t even understand who the “kid” is. Your friend? Or the OCD guy?
So true
I've seen a lot of unscrupulous dealers get scammed them selves and pass things off to another sucker when they know it isn't real. One of these d-bags even appears on TV as an "expert". His only qualification is being an over self promoting tribe member... Who happens to deal in ww2 German items... Among other items.
I hear shops try to say the nickle ones were officer issued and I laugh and walk away
Are you that guy that makes stuff up and then thinks he’s that smart guy?
@@SGTDuckButter yeah 100%, isn't that how it works?
That is an old lie going around forever. Vets brought back guns with worn finishes and had them "customized" with plating.
@@tomsherwood4650 absolutely agree, I've heard the lies of the nickle plated ones were issued to officers only with lugers, p38s, 1911s in a few shops including 2 right here in my own city
So very true and I’ve heard several other stupid and untrue comments of the like heavily used as well.
If I was bidding $20K plus, I would certainly want to see the gun in question first. No way, sight unseen !
Great commentary as always.
Enjoyed it and thanks.
I saw a nickel plated P38 at a gun store 2 years ago, that was a real joke, the plaiting was bubbled up and it was poorly engraved, almost a scratch job. It was claimed to be a presentation gun for a famous general. I'm not an expert, but I
saw giant red flags all over it.
tons of fake bids on GB
Amen. Sellers running up their own auctions. Gunbroker does little to prevent this
Same thing happens on vintage guitar auctions - folks really need to be wary and do their homework - thanks for another great video Tom
Great Video Tom! The world need more calling out BS when you see it.
The guy should have also added that the pistol was captured from Hermann Goering's 3rd cousin (twice removed) 4th roommate at finishing school by his grandfather at the Battle of the Bulge.
That would be worth a lot of money
Yeah but which 3rd cousin? We all know how Hans can be a little sketchy at times.
That's exactly how I got mine. Got the bayonet and grenade launcher that came brand new with the pistol too. Now, for a few bucks more I could have bought the original case it all came in. Just that I wasn't sure if the case was authentic. I'm cautious that when it comes to originals, so many shysters out there.
@@larryspiller6633 If it was gold plated ,it had to be original
@@robertsr.249 Another dead give away is if the firing pin is diamond encrusted, that's a well kept secret.
As a young guy having been into guns for 3 years now, this information is incredibly valuable to me. Thank you, appreciate it
You make several excellent points. Especially "Everyone has to start somewhere." I have a low winning bid history, but that is because I do not often find items I am willing to bid on, and when I do, I only bid up to what the item would be worth to me.
Consider yourself lucky. I dread the unexpected "Congratulations you won" gunbroker emails.
@@owllymannstein7113 Haha! Man I can relate. There has been... more than one occasion where I wound up with two of the same gun. Sometimes you just get those impossible wins, and usually when you don't want it that much.
Same here
I think this is how auctions should work. I bid the same way. I've yet to win, but I'm also refusing to overpay the price in my head.
@@LaxinPhilly how i do stuff on ebay. Only time i bid high is on something i really really want, and that means its worth alot to me. Tho i only bid mostly on axes. But there have been times when i feel like someone is bidding it up just to bid it up.
This man's business ethics are larger than his wallet and I commend his honorable work
I bid 20k and want an apology ! LOL only kidding keep up the great videos ....
Sure it will be listed for sale again next week.
Thanks Tom. I really admire how you try and help other collectors like this and don’t care about the trolls making silly comments. People can see your business is built on honesty and respect for WW2 history rather than greed and profit (edited for chiller because he is slow!) let’s hope Legacy Collectables makes a bit of profit otherwise the business would eventually fail, basic economics.
Can’t wait to see another Canadian Luger rescue video , oh and your Third Reich Luger book just arrived, thanks for signing it for me it’s a great book!
Hopefully Legacy Collectibles is based a bit on profit. Otherwise, unless Tom is independently wealthy and enjoys losing money, the business will eventually fail.
@@Chiller01 well I thought that was obvious but I’ll adjust my comment especially for you just in case you are slow. Don’t get too upset we can all see you are trying
@@mattsmith3118 You must be fun at parties there Matt. I’ll be more respectful of your obviously sensitive nature next time.
@@Chiller01 right lol he’s mad over a simple comment.
@@mattsmith3118 cry
So glad I finished my collection years ago, I honestly feel sorry for the guys today trying to get what they want only to run into flippers and fudds like this.
Love the videos Tom, but I've heard that this particular p38 was owned by the guy that killed hitler. so maby it is worth 20 grand 😂
Yes, it makes no sound sense that one bidder would bid against himself 4 or 5 times in a row without any other bids in between. Fairly obvious the entire sale was hot air.
That is just proxy bidding, the other bidder was bumping the bid to see how far his proxy bid was up.
@@jerryw6699 I was hoping someone would say this. Its not automatically a red flag depending on how the system is set up. Many online auctions allow a seller to put multiple bids in against another bidder. What youre seeing is one bidder incrementally increasing their bid against another bidder who presumably put in a much higher bid. They keep putting a bid in until they beat the other persons, which might take several tries. This is very very common on Ebay for example. Its totally legit in that circumstance.
Im not saying these arent shill accounts I mean 99% sure they totally are, but this itself isn't the red flag you think it is...
Those are automatic bids you 1diot.
I have a 1943 Mauser produced P38 Chrome/Nickel plated. Glad I only spent $600 or $700 for it on RIAC.
What a bunch of crapola. What people will do to make a buck.
It's a way to launder money.
Nice video. Correct info is the best medicine for all of us. I own a WW2 P-38 that was dug up from a public flower bed. It is in poor condition, presumably from being buried for a long time, but is still very cool to me.
You, Sir, are a true gentleman and this is proven by your sharing of your useful information. I do the same when watching a bid and check who is bidding. Thank you.
So what would be the motive of bidding this up but gaining no sale. Is it purely to pump the sellers profile?
I got on Gun Broker about 4 years ago, for 2 years I would bid on old H&R .32 revolvers, EVERY TIME my bids were winning as the auction was counting down the price would magically start climbing in $50-$100 leaps. This was the same experience I had on eGunner as well.
On eBay they used to be a tactic to win auctions by waiting to the very end before placing your bid. In the hope that the other bidders wouldn’t notice or would be too late to counter it. There was even 3rd party software that you could set up in advance to automatically place the bid for you in the last 5 seconds.
@@notmenotme614 thats the way to bid on ebay tho, sniping.
I have a friend who is a .32 collector. He has several. Even one 327 magnum.
@@painmt651 why does he have so many? Is he an octopus ?
@@notmenotme614the problem with that is gun broker has a counter bid timeframe. Its like 10 minutes or something, so if someone bids on an item in the last 5 seconds it will increase the auction time by 10 minutes allowing people to bid again. I tried that Ebay tactic on my first auction bidding for a 32 cal revolver.
I go to live auctions occasionally and participate in live online auctions frequently. Yes, I only deal with auction houses I know and trust.
I do "get" that one dollar is worth less to some people than it is to others, but I'm always impressed by folks who get carried away emotionally with the auctions. They often pay far more than worth just to "win."
My favorites are the ones who pay more for a used auction firearm that's still in production than what they would pay if they just went down to their local gunshop. Quite often it's just ignorance.
Sadly enough, there are alot more people who enjoy firearms than actually know anything about firearms.
I consider myself winning an auction is if I find a gem that no one else understands or appreciates and then buying it at half it's real value or near that. You have to decide prior to an auction what is your deadline no-matter-what price.
Auctions are a interesting way to try getting a good deal. Sometimes you get lucky!
Thanks, I didn't know about the bid history and ratings. I've tried to buy from gunbroker, but when the bids start getting ridiculous, I let it go.
It's becoming an epidemic with the Shill bidding on the internet. Even the machinery auctions for farm equipment, the sellers have figured out how to rig the sale. Tried to buy an antique steam tractor on a formerly good auction co, the new bunch that took over the business, has no ethics, period! If he has a auction with internet biding, he simply keeps upping the bid himself! The engine I was bidding on just kept going so we quit. The auctioneer got stuck with it for some serious money. Well guess what, a year later, same engine for sale by the same owner. He got stiffed by the previous auction co. the present company was less known, but honest! Seller got paid, and the resold engine brought 40% less than I bid before! I just took my money elsewhere.
Outstanding video and presentation
Mr. Whitman got me hooked on this channel from a gun show three years ago love it you are an expert in my opinion.❤
Thank you,I have seen the bidding myself on auctions,checking the bid history is one of the things I check first, thanks for confirming what I also was thinking .
Excellent advice and great information. Thank you for the insight.
good thing my bids are down in the low hundreds and are in need of a refresh. I don't bid for expensive guns without touching it or seeing it in person.
I’ve experienced this on eBay a lot, I’d get into a bidding war with another person who mysteriously doesn’t give up, he keeps on out bidding me.
…Until I no longer match his bid and he accidentally ends up winning…
Then when the auction ends, I conveniently get an unbelievable email from the Seller saying the other person has just backed out (despite him bidding 10 times) and do I still want to buy their product? No thank you, I’m dropping it like a hot potato and running a mile!
Sadly GB does NO POLICING of their site on the sellers - after all, THIS is where they get their money. I've put in bids on items, but when they near the end of bidding, and the bids weren't high enough (they had no reserve or minimum bid), the dealer just deletes the auction essentially reneging on his item. I complained and GB did nothing. This is also a tactic used by scammers to see if some unknowing person will see the fantastic price rise and JUMP IN with a too high bid. Then the dealer's shills stop bidding and the mark now must pay. I just put these sellers on my BLACKLIST and don't bid on their items. I hope GB insists on their commission on this price and maybe dealers will learn. GB should police such scammers and EVERYONE should have a BLACKLIST.
If it was eBay they would want a commission regardless if it was a real buyer or not 😂
I can’t remember what the it was but there was this video where the content creator was selling something real trolly, the buyer ended up being a troll, then eBay still billed his PayPal like 10% of the sale even though nothing was made.
Not a Luger. Excellent advice here on how to spot shill bidders, and a firearm's history. But look at Timestamp 0:45, it's a Walther P-38 , and not as Tom said, a Luger. AC 43 stamps show a Walther's wartime manufacture in 1943. George Luger died 14 years before this gun design. Maybe, Tom meant to say 9mm Parabellum? 9mm is the probable caliber with this locked breech design. Being refinished, there was an attempt to pimp it and so why not also give it a trick serial number? Hey guys, all serial numbers on a German gun should match. Where's that in the video? So many shill bidders here bespeaks the audacity and integrity of the gun seller, (something Tom left unsaid).
An interesting conclusion; i've seen some guns for absurd prices, and never even considered that the seller would be artificially inflating their listing.
Hopefully Gunbroker gets wise to this, and bans the FFL from selling on their site.
GB won't ban that, as they make money every transaction and the more the transaction, the more they make.
Thank you for making this video. I did learn what to look for when bidding on fireams and accessories.
I remember back in January 1978, brought Walther P-38 CYQ code that nickel plate with meteral surface bobble frame from small gun shop in Upper Darby, PA at the price of $130.00. I sold that gun for $180.00 in 1979 and the gun has to be send to FFL in NJ for $15.00.
luckily I don't have to worry about accidentally spending $20,000 on a gun
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Rival tribe Priest gun.
I have Amazon paper’s too for it
Did he say a "German Luger" to this Walther P38 ?
Yep. Good catch. I misspoke
@@thomaswhiteman4261 : Greet's from Germany. ;-)
Tom, your stuff is extremely good. It sure shows from your numbers gained in the past year..I do not collect anything, but I enjoy being educated by you...
……a fool and his money…… Great video!👍
are soon parted
"Collectors" have ruined a ton of good markets in recent years. They will pay any price necessary (without even blinking) to fill a hole in their collection. Also just as absurd are the people who try to get a certain serial number or odd feature. Because it's "collectible". The way I see it, yes, they are indeed fools.
I've seen that precise ploy. I also have seen sellers with no feedback listing expensive firearms copied off gunsinternational. I've notified the real owner on gunsinternational that their gun is being listed on gunbroker. Instantly that fraud seller disappears. Also no returns as you mentioned.
I saw this copycat fraud recently on a boat for sale on Craigslist (otherwise known as fraudslist). Super nice RHIB, yamaha powered, great price. The guys ad said it was near seattle wa. In one of the photos you could see the boat was in a brokers yard and on another boat was a brokerage sign and you could just make out the phone number. Turns out the boat is in BC Canada at a brokers, and the price was twice what the CL guy was asking. Guess he thought he could scam a deposit and run. I hate people.
I've seen this a couple of times on Gunbroker. Gun ends up being relisted in a couple of days because the shill won and of course, didn't pay. Ebay is notorious for shill bidding. I drop out when the price goes over my fair valuation. I'm not looking for unicorns. There will always be another.
The guy selling that is a scumbag !
In general, it's not uncommon for people to scam you on gunbroker selling broken, unsafe weapons or failed projects. If you must patronize gunbroker, only buy from reputable people and try to stick to new weapons. If you're considering an heirloom or collector firearm without visual, physical inspection you're taking a risk and have a better than even chance of getting burned on gunbroker. Think of it this way - would you buy a 1967 GTO off the internet without personally looking it over, and what are the chances if you did that what gets delivered to you is broken or in need of imminent repair, has body by Bondo and is someone "flipping an investment" to make a quick buck at your expense.
IF it was factory engraved and then plated, that might be a very rare or authentic item. You are right about the bringbacks getting plated. I had a PP that was originally a late war "gray ghost" that had been repolished and blued by the person that brought it back. Obviously felt the phosphate finish was butt ugly. Of course that ruined value. But they left the matching mag gray.
tom looks out for everyone, well done
This is endemic to all hobbies, Tom. Thanks for the lesson!
Thank you for the Gun Broker info. I have bought two WW2 .22 rifles and one Model 12 and they are all excellent and I feel very lucky. I would have never thought to look at what you just showed about NR bidders. I visit your site too. Thanks again!
Why would anyone use a .22 in WW2?
@@buyerenogurlfwendo2106 They were used for training our troops, 30.06 was too expensive shell.
I can't imagine that Germany, in 1943, a nation critically short of alloying elements for steel, a nation struggling to make low-alloy content steel for U-Boats, tank armor, armor piercing shells, and manufacturing equipment, would throw away any of their precious little nickel on making nickel plated pistols.
That 488 bid is prob a refrence to the german internet hate symbol 1488 but he didnt want to bid that much because the seller might take it lol
I remember seeing this on Jans LugerForum. Glad to see it was most likely just shills pumping this up. My jaw dropped to the floor when I saw the final price.
Cash businesses like guns and coins draw crooks like moths to a lightbulb.
I only go to GB for laughs most of the time. To see how rich my dirt common stuff is now. According to GB all my collection is worth 4 times what it was ten years ago. Best investments I ever made. LOL
I think you are slightly wrong about the bidders. I think you are correct about the ones with no feedback. But i think you are wrong about the older accounts with feedback. I hardly buy off of GB but i do check it all the time. If i were to buy something today, it would probably have been a year since my last purchase. I also have not received feedback from every purchase that i made. But again i think you are correct about the new bidders.
Any auction site sucks that incorporates those rules of extending the auction time after the auction actually closed
When an auction says it closes at a particular time, then that's when it should completely close
Otherwise, it the extended auction times are only benefiting the site and the seller.
They do that so people can’t last second snipe
I don't understand the point of having phony bidders bid something up. Does the seller think that these phantom bidders will add credibility because I assume that surely any serious buyer would know enough about what they're looking at and not be thinking "whoa, this has been bid up to $17,000...it must be pretty special?"
Lot of amateurs and even pros get fooled
It's pretty simple michael....
Human nature to fall for that crap. Remember what PT Barnum said, "A fool and his money are soon parted". Maybe that quote was by the founder of gunbroker...
It works for NFTs.
Watch an auction you're interested in & bid in the last 20 minutes.
A friend of mine had his father's P-38 that was nickel-plated. Must have been pretty rough. Almost all the markings have been polished away. Broke my heart to see it. Would rather have seen the rust and pitting.
Not an expert, but this definitely looks like a fools trap.
This a $500 shooter lol
yup wouldn't pay a dime more than $500
@@sambone8213 id pay $501
@@andymerk6017 cuck move
I learned about the bid jumpers from ebay all scams.
The winning bidder had zero feedbacks. There is no indication that the sale was completed, as neither the buyer nor seller got feedback on this transaction. My understanding of Gunbroker is that the only way you don't get charged a fee - in the case of a non-paying bidder - is to leave negative feedback for the non-paying bidder. That has not happened here. So I don't understand what exactly is going on with the sale.
The frame doesnt have the reinforced trigger bar... so its an early frame for an ac43 ? just sayin'
I check legacy everyday because I trust how they post and are always answering me if I have questions and post quality stuff
Several decades ago when I used to advertise for & collect WWII Japanese swords every now & then I would be offered a sword that had after war modifications, some so bad like bench grinder sharpening on the blade or a poorly stored, rusty sword cleaned with sandpaper with a re-wrapped handle in whatever was available with a freshly painted scabbard. I would look it over and ask how much they were seeking for it. Then the capture story of the sword was worth every bit of the soon to be delivered asking price. I would smile & say "It's not something I collect" & hand it back to them.
Why would morgan7 bid himself up 3 times??
Good tips and Thanks! I have seen items listed for a few years and when I placed a bid, viola! bids outbidding me would come in hot and heavy. Walk away after the price is beyond what common sense tells you it is worth.
As soon as I see an “NR” account outbid me, I write off that auction. It might be a real account, but I would rather not risk a bidding war with a shill. It happens quite often. I believe that there is a LOT of shill bidding on GB.
So what you’re saying is I should use a NR account to bid on as well as my real account 😂
@@buyerenogurlfwendo2106 Yes.
It’s fascinating how deep you go into analyzing this one particular firearm. Thanks for the tips.
No factory post war nickel plated P38'S were produced.
I saw the gun in question on Gb, and no provenance. Without the original finish, its just a decent shooter. As a side to the GI's getting guns nickeled, it may have been done for rust protection. Apparently theft of souvenir pistols, by fellow GI's was was a real problem. My father told me he had his pistol nickeled so it could be hidden and not constantly cleaned. He stated that if someone knew you had it, there was a good chance it would get stolen. I subsequently met two WW2 veterans that had pistols stolen from them after the war. One was on active duty in Germany, and the other was on a ship on the way home.
Sometimes the voice of experience combined with integrity and honor out weighs facts of the matter...such as it is here. Thank you for the lesson.
You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not this gentleman.
Very good info I really appreciate it Thank You!!!
Bought a nice p38 from him last yr. Love it, shoots great. Now just need a post war p1;)
Excellent vid, years ago I got burned by a Gun broker seller. He advertised his guns as, "As Is, no returns." I got a non-functioning rem 700, 221 fireball. It was a nice looking gun, but had multiple problems. He refused a return and was soon out of business. From then on, I have called and spoken to almost every seller that I have boughten from. It has been a good practice, and I often gain knowledge from the seller about their firearm and also other interesting bits of information and history.
"boughten" is NOT A WORD. Stop saying it. Don't use "boughtened" either. Use "bought" instead. That's correct. You're welcome.
@@notmyname3883 Thanks, to the grammar police. My mom would have corrected me also.
@@notmyname3883 Oi. We ought wanta be able tah spake and spell as we like it.
Thank you Tom and Randy.
Thank s for teaching me!
I’d love a gun broker tutorial. What to look for, tips and tricks, etc.
Not to undercut this guy, but Gunblue490 has a great GB video.
He's right about show bidding. That's why I hate using Gun Broker. I was bidding on a Webley MK IV with an unshaved cylinder still chambered in 455. Anyway, it had no reserve and I came in at the lowest possible offer. I think the minimum was like $355 or something like that. So up until the last day of the auction I was the only bid on it. I thought I had a good chance of getting it and then a few hours before the auction ended I was informed I was outbid. So I began bidding in $20 increments. I went from my original offer of three hundred dollars all the way to over $900 and I still was being outbid. Mind you me and this other bidder were the only two people bidding on this firearm. So when the auction closed I could view the bid history and this other bidder came in and bid over a thousand dollars on the pistol right off the bat, even though they only needed a minimum bid of $400 to outbid me. Definitely connected to the seller.
Not necessarily connected to the seller... sometimes I just drop my highest bid and move on as do others.
As a network engineer, I have done digital forensics for a few different systems. While I have seen a substantial amount of organized crime in these spaces, it would likely surprise you how often people just have odd bidding habits/mentalities.
I have planned to do a primer on understanding auction systems, but more importantly the ratio of weirdness to criminal behavior.
Good luck out there.
@TheRealMrBlackCat ya I could see just placing one bid if it had a "Buy Now" button. But it showed my bid and the alleged second bidder only had to bid a few dollars above it to be the top bidder. Instead the alleged individual comes in and bids hundreds of dollars over the current bid. Seemed really fishy.
This is pretty common actually. If I see something on an online auction, I will frequently just place the max amount that I would be willing to pay as the first bid. That doesn't mean that I will pay that much, because if no one else bids, it stays at the starting amount. Consider reading up on how proxy bids work. Imagine if you were going on vacation for a week and didn't want to stare at the auction the whole time, or didn't have internet. Just plop down your best price and find out later if you won or not. Subsequent bids bump your bid by a set small amount, keeping you in the lead until you top out your max bid. I hope this makes sense.
The way GunBroker works is they encourage you to put your max bid then they’ll use what’s necessary.
Like I bid on a lot of penny auctions for used pistols and if you’re the first bidder you can bet whatever but it’ll only count as a penny at first. Then whenever someone counter bids the first person it raises the price (usually the winning bid has to be $2 higher but it changes as it gets a bigger price tag).
So if I seen a pistol I like at a penny auction and I’m first I could put $300 and only be charged a penny if no one else bets. But if people counter bet then I’ll still win if no one goes over $300; I’ll just be charged more. If someone puts $250 then I’ll be charged $252.
Basically it’s designed to give you the best deal possible but if someone else counters then you’re going to pay more (or even lose the auction).
A lot of people like to bet last minute as well because if you bid with less than 15 minutes remaining then it resets the timer back to 15 minutes.
Without knowing the other bidders rating and feedback history it’s hard to say your competition was connected to the seller.
Maybe he just thought the piece was worth $1000 and you clearly didn’t. Did you receive an email saying he fell through would you like to buy this for $900 (or whatever your last bid was).
If he didn’t end up paying for it and you got offered to buy it for your last bid then you could say oh he’s connected to the seller. But considering you didn’t mention that he probably actually bought the piece.
I bought my first Luger from legacy a few years ago, I wanted to put a few clips through it for fun, it didn’t feed the second round. Called the fellas , they asked me to send it back for repair , got it back in a week or two, works perfectly. Thanks legacy.
Wow. In all my years on gb I didn't know about the bid history.
post war private label
This is definitely good advice
Analyzing other bidders and bid history on Gunbroker items is an art and a science combined. Lot to learn from the info there.
However, I don't like that Gunbroker shows the bidders ID names and feedback. You're able to go right to their account and see what they're selling, buying, etc. That might be a nice advantage but others can see you and your feedback too. I prefer more anonymity like the way that eBay blanks out the names with *'s.
No way gunbroker is so right to do that to help prevent shill bidding
I say again, it’s customary for Gunbroker guys to smoke a pound of meth before posting their listings and if met with any contrary statements, respond with “I know what I have, son!”
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you very very much Tom. This needed to be said and needs to be ingrained in every gun owner, seller, collector and 1st time buyer EVERYWHERE.
Excellent information. Thanks
Interesting Tom love the story
just had a transaction cancelled after i emailed gunbroker regarding a fraudulant sale. IF YOU FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE DO NOT SEND PAYMENT
funny looking Luger.
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The phrase is "go out on a limb" not a "branch"...and bronzed baby shoes. With that said- nobody is going to find a rare treasure online, how could you hide something from the world?? Jesse James mother always kept a pistol or two on hand and would sell them to collectors looking to score from an older woman. The last laugh was hers as she sold an old pistol Jesse left behind when it was nothing of that sort.
I looked in shops for two years, and auctions. Could not find a CZ527 carbine in 7.62x39mm…. Was getting ready to order one online and at a serious premium. They quit making the model. About six months later I found one at a gun show…. It was marked $875, which was not a bad price…. I walked away with it for less than $700…. You can’t touch one for less than $1200, now. It is light as a 10/22! Such a sweet shooter!!! I will die before I sell it. Cheapest rifle to shoot, other than a 22
Excellent job young man.... Totally agree with your assessment of this auction and bidding in general... Thanks for putting a pin in it. Happy 4th!!!.
l agree with you Tom....l don't think i want this Gun at any price at all.....Thanks Tom....
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Great PSA. Your right, as a general rule of thumb it's wise to avoid firearms on auction sites that say "sold as is no refund or exchange". The sellers often do this because they lied about the gun they are trying to sell and know there is a good chance someone will want their money back. A 3 to 5 day return policy shows a lot more transparency between buyer and seller and you are more likely to get the firearm in the condition it's described as. I just bought a SVT-40 that had a 3 day return policy that was listed as excellent condition. After looking the rifle over, I found out that the seller was right on the money, it looked like it hadn't been fired since its been refurbished.
Good God, fortunately I have never bid on a gun with NR bidder. I bid and won about 20 guns in the last year only 13 bothered to give me a rating. All A+
Here's the kicker I learned on Gunbroker and a warning. I bid on a gun and I placed my max bid thinking I'll sit back and watch because it is 10 dollar increments. My max bid was 500 bucks above bidding. Next thing I know someone matched my price in the last second but I won because I was first. Total scam.