Not really liking the new hunter rework. Never really used the pet anyway unless on some solo stuff. Don’t like that they removed serpentstslkers trickery. I always liked the look of aimed shots with the serpent sting animation and now it’s just blah. Trushot not increasing aimed shot speed etc just feels bad. Felt like a worthless button now. Having to track more buffs is just annoying. As if there is not enough to track in raids.
Let's see, the most exciting part for me is the return of doubletap. I never understood why they removed it. Maybe I should make a video about its return, just like I did when it was removed.
So are they buffing things to make the pet not needed for select content? For example delving was 10000% having a pet take aggro instead of facetanking the mob or long kiting
Only thing that matters about MM hunter is will it hit hard like it did in the beginning of season 1 when it was Meta...then they reworked it and made it trash....just give it back the heavy damage and burst
While I don’t think most classes need a rework engancement sham needs an extra wall charge and that’s literally all blizzard will need to do to make enhancement viable
I play MM with a pet b/c I play solo and I like having a 'pet tank' without the need to constantly babysit it (BM). Plus, MM's rotation feels better. Hmmm... I know change happens. Just wish we had the option to continue to play with a pet as MM. I find BM boring.
Awesome video, thanks for the update. I'm really looking forward to MM in 11.1! I have a few questions and an idea though. 1. Is there any way to get leech now without a Ferocity Pet? 2. How will the jetpack interact with Flexweave Underlay (or can you not put one on it)? 3. Aspect of the Fox would actually be sick if they made Ranger's Finesse interact with Aspect of the Cheeta!
You can get like 6% leech with enchants, not many people go for it but it can be extremely beneficial if you’re playing 3s into dampening your healers mana pool will subconsciously appreciate you
It’s a shame they have not redone the Hunter animations. They are an absolute abomination at this point, couldn’t be further from a classic Hunter fantasy.
I tried MM before it felt dull to play and felt boring, so looking forward to this.Obviously, this is a personal opinion of somebody who really liked when they made Survival melee hybrid :D
While I do like the changes, I'm a little nervous as a blitz player. Having my pet out is vital for defending flags in node maps. No pet means I'm vulnerable to ninja caps....might need to switch to BM
played,i really like it imo everything feels like big synergy love that senti visual...played just pve and one arena i felt like people played just pve today...(eu server) arena>rapid fire wallhack saved me lol it was super close match against hunter hehe i really like pet visuals too that intimidation snap on head looked and felt really good "BAM"! :D
No pet=mm not being able anymore to defend bases, also it's gonna feel too clunky on damage rotation (maybe even lower than right now), just read the talents, pve focused playstyle... thank god i'm not maining my mm this expansion lol
Glad the pet isn't needed for utility, but I feel bad for MM players that don't want to lose the pet. The rest of the changes are just awesome as long as tuning ensures were are not doing less dps than what MM has on live now. Without using externals like flasks, oils, and potions, I'm seeing like 1.9million overall dps or a bit more after 30 seconds, basically what I think would be a singke target burst rotation. My Ret does almost a million more than that on live now, with less item level.
Yeah, I'm on the fence where this sucks. Trying to fix rotation issues is one thing. Removing a core mechanic (pet) is another. Very stupid. And on your point of functionality, which is valid, they have failed to address it adequately. Go try to kill some elites, for example run around in cinderbees with no pet and see how much you like the change.
They completely ruined MM with this rework. Feels like complete shit to play compared to live. Even if the damage is absurd, it’s just so slow and clunky I can’t see this being playable anywhere outside of BGs.
Countless hours camping my favourite rare pets over the last 19 years as a marksmanship hunter in world of warcraft and now i cant even use them. What a joke.
Blizzard is sooo killing and burrying their own game … hunter is not being able to tame their chosen beast … no raptor mortal strike … more reliance on RNG procs for auto shot dmg that we do nothing for… NO ONE WANS RNG BULLSHIT !!! these changes are beyond terrible !!!
Youre drastically overestimating how many players actually play PvP other than for a change of pace. PvE this is just better. And that’s all that really matters. PvP is a meme.
@ I guess the awc and all its veiws isn’t substantial lol. Also if the game is lacking players it is cuz the pvp community has the most skilled players in the game period and they are leaving cuz of similar changes like this! … so in reality PVE is the meme , no question, it takes no skill to repeat scripted things on npcs…none! Pve is boring and even more so with rng based rotations that give no satisfaction. No one enjoys this kind of play style no matter the content over requiring skill … soooo NO DEF NOT LMAO!
It's actually not tuned very well on PTR right now. Tuning is expected as it is the PTR, but on PTR it is doing substantially less dps than a lot of specs on live right now. Over a million less DPS.
@@Solemlol No he's right. If he wanted to play BM, he would already BE playing BM. Your reply is dumb. Why should be be forced to play a spec he doesn't want, when you can already Dismiss your pet and play without it if you are too lazy or stupid to manage a pet?
I always wanted to play as a sharp shooter. No pet, super hyped
You used to not need a pet. Now mm is permanently an eagle cuck.
4:13 not to mention, they’ll be weaker against rogues because they don’t have a pet staying on the rogue to keep them from restealthing…
And they'll be terrible Blitz and other battleground base sitters
Do you not have mark on your action bars?
@ lol as if mark isn’t ever easily dispelled by a healer or removed by cloak of shadows…keeping your pet on the rogue is a million times more viable
@mikehouse6082 play cupid cleave and you won't have these issues
@@mikehouse6082 stealth cap with a healer is really common... making problems that dont exist.
Side note: It’s 2025 & shamans still can’t wall in stuns
You can shove though
@@neveSykcuL true but everyone should be able to wall in stuns, period. rogues are r3tarded.
@@neveSykcuL They should take more of our healing & add more utility lol
8:10 Autoattack damage is bleak arrows thanks to darkranger hero talent
Usually play without the pet but was nice to be able to call it situationally (base sitting etc)
I'm actually making a hunter because of this. Always tried to make a hunter without needing the pet and hopefully this plays out well
I would be curious if haste will win out instead of mastery now with the auto attack changes. Going to be interesting.
Not really liking the new hunter rework. Never really used the pet anyway unless on some solo stuff. Don’t like that they removed serpentstslkers trickery. I always liked the look of aimed shots with the serpent sting animation and now it’s just blah. Trushot not increasing aimed shot speed etc just feels bad. Felt like a worthless button now. Having to track more buffs is just annoying. As if there is not enough to track in raids.
Never played retail Marksman, I do like that they removed pets for Sharpshooter. Really appealing to me now because I have zero interest in pets.
Let's see, the most exciting part for me is the return of doubletap. I never understood why they removed it. Maybe I should make a video about its return, just like I did when it was removed.
I haven't thoroughly tested roar of sacrifice yet but I really hope they make it so that you can at least use it while you're stunned
We should start to Talk about the pve trinkets that are way too strong even with the nerfs in pvp scenarios.
Looking forward to hear your take on survival with new pack leader.
Happy Wednesday everyone!
Also because of a dark ranger talent aa's are renamed to bleak arrow or smth
So are they buffing things to make the pet not needed for select content? For example delving was 10000% having a pet take aggro instead of facetanking the mob or long kiting
5:00 reason you dont see it is cuz you have hide passives on
I loved the pet!!! One of the main reasons I played Hunter was the pet!
Play survival the coolest spec in the game 😎
Only thing that matters about MM hunter is will it hit hard like it did in the beginning of season 1 when it was Meta...then they reworked it and made it trash....just give it back the heavy damage and burst
Nah nobody wants to get 3 shot from 50 yards the spec needs to require skill not jst pressing 2 buttons and cheesing people
It still hitting hard af, the thing is just now bm is way easier to play and meta that's why all respec to that
Sentinel AOE size is WAY bigger I didn’t know they were doing that
that LoS stun is going to be fixed, imo. should it be? no
Yea digging these changes! Gimme!
You should do a video on what the new shaman lightning bolt animation looks like
you had hide passive checked top right of spellbook.
Another patch, another MM hunter rework... Can some other specs get some love?
Completely clueless… when was the last time mm hunter got a big overhaul?
While I don’t think most classes need a rework engancement sham needs an extra wall charge and that’s literally all blizzard will need to do to make enhancement viable
How am I meant to delves without a pet?
I play MM with a pet b/c I play solo and I like having a 'pet tank' without the need to constantly babysit it (BM). Plus, MM's rotation feels better. Hmmm... I know change happens. Just wish we had the option to continue to play with a pet as MM. I find BM boring.
I'm super hyped for a sharpshooter no pet marksmanship Hunter
Awesome video, thanks for the update. I'm really looking forward to MM in 11.1! I have a few questions and an idea though.
1. Is there any way to get leech now without a Ferocity Pet?
2. How will the jetpack interact with Flexweave Underlay (or can you not put one on it)?
3. Aspect of the Fox would actually be sick if they made Ranger's Finesse interact with Aspect of the Cheeta!
You can get like 6% leech with enchants, not many people go for it but it can be extremely beneficial if you’re playing 3s into dampening your healers mana pool will subconsciously appreciate you
@theplansbydan I mostly do Rated BGs and World PvP, so I really like Leech. I always put it on Cloak and Wrists.
Can you go over survival changes? And pack leader new tree, they completely redid it
Planning on it the PTR was down most of the day.
@Supatease sweet thanks boss
ppl will cry about this and the ynerf it to dust and ppl will be forced into BM as always
PvP or pve?
It’s a shame they have not redone the Hunter animations. They are an absolute abomination at this point, couldn’t be further from a classic Hunter fantasy.
I tried MM before it felt dull to play and felt boring, so looking forward to this.Obviously, this is a personal opinion of somebody who really liked when they made Survival melee hybrid :D
Ur not alone! Just make us be able to use 2x 1handers for survival and im happy
Survival so good hopefully the pack leader changes don't ruin it
@supatease Please don't make the Video 13:13 length next time,it`s bugging me :))
all these class reworks for classes doing well already, and poor Shadow is like the skeleton at the bottom of the pool meme. smh
While I do like the changes, I'm a little nervous as a blitz player. Having my pet out is vital for defending flags in node maps. No pet means I'm vulnerable to ninja caps....might need to switch to BM
Pro tip, park yourself 40yds away from the node and you can hit the rogue before it caps after sap wears off
@theplansbydan doesn't really work when it only takes 4 seconds to cap in blitz, any good rogue will get it from you if you dont have a pet out.
also rogues on blitz bases play smoke bomb
played,i really like it imo everything feels like big synergy love that senti visual...played just pve and one arena i felt like people played just pve today...(eu server) arena>rapid fire wallhack saved me lol it was super close match against hunter hehe i really like pet visuals too that intimidation snap on head looked and felt really good "BAM"! :D
Poor Supablink is going to get depression again with Doubletap back in the game >:)
Finished.
So excited for this change!
Just bring back Pandaria MM
Huh? The eagle goes: hawk tuah?
ahaha underrated comment, [Aspect of the hawk tuah]
Nice video, my first alt is mm
It's high time bows, guns can have illusionson them or for fks sake give em something cool like dual wielded pistols xmogs😂
If you missed it they’re thinking about new classes and a dual wielding shooter class is in the mix of ideas, head over to the forums and vote it in
Supavanas......NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
No pet=mm not being able anymore to defend bases, also it's gonna feel too clunky on damage rotation (maybe even lower than right now), just read the talents, pve focused playstyle... thank god i'm not maining my mm this expansion lol
I like the updates but leveling from 80-90 in bm so I can actually get through content without a party will be annoying 😩
*hide passives: ON* hmm why cant i see any passives ;D
Glad the pet isn't needed for utility, but I feel bad for MM players that don't want to lose the pet. The rest of the changes are just awesome as long as tuning ensures were are not doing less dps than what MM has on live now. Without using externals like flasks, oils, and potions, I'm seeing like 1.9million overall dps or a bit more after 30 seconds, basically what I think would be a singke target burst rotation. My Ret does almost a million more than that on live now, with less item level.
Nice ! DH next please !
Best MM changes ever!
Yeah, I'm on the fence where this sucks. Trying to fix rotation issues is one thing. Removing a core mechanic (pet) is another. Very stupid. And on your point of functionality, which is valid, they have failed to address it adequately. Go try to kill some elites, for example run around in cinderbees with no pet and see how much you like the change.
I love no pet. If you want a pet play bm.
that's like removing the weapon slot for bm and saying to a bm if you want to play with a bow, play mm...
Dumb what about solo play as MM tanking mobs immune to cc is a joke. GL.
Press " N " on your keyboard and respecc to BM/Survival just for that CC immune mob, takes about 5 seconds to do so
They completely ruined MM with this rework. Feels like complete shit to play compared to live.
Even if the damage is absurd, it’s just so slow and clunky I can’t see this being playable anywhere outside of BGs.
auto shot = bleak arrow
Yo supa
when does this go live?
i was just playing and i still have
a pet.
11.1
Countless hours camping my favourite rare pets over the last 19 years as a marksmanship hunter in world of warcraft and now i cant even use them. What a joke.
Womp womp, play BM then
@@jonnystrike4999I'd rather unsubscribe than play BM
If it makes you feel better no one else notices or cares about the pets you have except maybe other hunters who do the same thing.
seems suss
No slow fall pet is a significant nerf for WPvP, especially with no flying in the Undermine
Just get parachutes? 😂
disengage before landing? parachute? goblin glider? youre trolling
SUPER HYPED FINALLY HUNTER WITHOUT PET I LOVE IT
Blizzard is sooo killing and burrying their own game … hunter is not being able to tame their chosen beast … no raptor mortal strike … more reliance on RNG procs for auto shot dmg that we do nothing for… NO ONE WANS RNG BULLSHIT !!! these changes are beyond terrible !!!
Youre drastically overestimating how many players actually play PvP other than for a change of pace.
PvE this is just better. And that’s all that really matters. PvP is a meme.
@ I guess the awc and all its veiws isn’t substantial lol. Also if the game is lacking players it is cuz the pvp community has the most skilled players in the game period and they are leaving cuz of similar changes like this! … so in reality PVE is the meme , no question, it takes no skill to repeat scripted things on npcs…none! Pve is boring and even more so with rng based rotations that give no satisfaction. No one enjoys this kind of play style no matter the content over requiring skill … soooo NO DEF NOT LMAO!
Wait no mortal strike what?
MM hunter Looks fun, but not as efficient for pve as my demo warlock, I assume it can't solo top tier delve as demo warlock so no thanks
Not hyped this is stupid.
🖐really hate it!
No joke this cant go live like this. Every single time MM is OP the game is simply not fun at all. No hate to MM mains, its just how it is.
It's actually not tuned very well on PTR right now. Tuning is expected as it is the PTR, but on PTR it is doing substantially less dps than a lot of specs on live right now. Over a million less DPS.
When MM is strong NOBODY else has fun
I think the set just look like shit cause it was on a human male. I hate armor on certain races/male characters
worst mm changes ever.
best mm changes ever go play bm
Which changes make it worse? Other than the fact that damage went down...
@@Solemlol No he's right. If he wanted to play BM, he would already BE playing BM. Your reply is dumb. Why should be be forced to play a spec he doesn't want, when you can already Dismiss your pet and play without it if you are too lazy or stupid to manage a pet?
@@Solemlolthey’re dog shit changes for pvers. Spec is way more slow and clunky.
They need to remove mortal strike from the game
Yeah sure right after they nerf healing by 50% XD healing is stupidly overturned dude
@danielsmith2483 they already have. Why disc priest is top. Healer do to bubble and pallies barly hanging in.
If you want moving shots......jUsT pLaY bEaStMaSteRY....