I remember a few years ago you had a guy on stream that had optimized a perfect sorc run and it came out to like 25 minutes, which blew my mind. I don’t think anyone had broken an hour at that point. Now we’ve got a true 36 minute run, it’s incredible how much this run has progressed in just a few years. What an awesome effort and community following it.
Time flies. There’s still more to peel off here too, the fourth way arcane, the tp mistake in act 3, the lack of decent drops, it feels like someone is going to hit sub 30 eventually and that’s insane
Botters have beaten it but that’s not legit. It’s been a few people cranking under 25min. There was 1 guy im aware of that actually tried to do a similar way of doing a deepmind StarCraft 2 bot on d2. Wasn’t as advanced but was pretty capable. Crazy thing is its iterative so it did some things I’ve never seen in 20 years
Top right town exit with straight bloodmoor and left cold plains give you 100% short act 4. Its also possible to get 100% short act 4 with TL right BM Left CP, but there is less than 10% for left cp, with ignoring most common right CP makes grind exhausting. TR town exit could be only right or straight bloodmoor, I never run right BM, and you can check it super fast, road turn immediately. Because road always goes to left side of BM, Im moving on right side to get more chanses for shrines + superchests. After TR straight BM it could be only left or straight CP, so its 50% to get good map (instead less than 10% for TL exit). Also it gives you short black marsh, its always left exit one. This road is about 30 sec longer than TR right BM right CP (mostly with short stony fields exits), but with extra superchests and extra shrines will give a lot more good starts + short act 4 saves a lot (not only time but also money for huge pots).
Good to know! I figured there was some extra knowledge for that map seed i didn't study yet. I've got some notes on it but need to look at the correlation
It's super cool seeing all the speedrun tech you mentioned in your recent video series put into play. By 20 minutes, he's done the following that I caught: - Note a good XP shrine potential location for use in fast levels - Farmed jail super tiles - Sold and rebought tomes to refill quantity - S/Q after Andy to save time - Warp back to A1 and take WP to get to top of A2 - Fast buying potions using both belt method and the spam click+enter with steady mouse - Also obviously all the tips for map hacking with your mind I'm sure I'm missing even more points you mentioned.. but it's so fascinating to catch these minor timesaves now!
he made a review vid of this run and explain a lot of things. Main thing: mistake with teleport checkpoint made him very upset and he decide to do remain run in "high risk mode" and in the end it worth
Mr Llama freaking out because he is so much faster but never got this amazing luck xD. So much rage because of miss plays, so sad man. I hope you get this mr llama
At 33:00, with the no portal in Act3. Even 327 is surprised that he didn’t put the TP down. When he waypoints back, he says “seriosna?!” As in “Seriously!?” 😭
I can teach you how to scout for the most likely arcane path. Theres an element I don't understand that influences it but also there is an element that predicts it. I made a chart of all the elements and just narrowed it down to the statistically most likely trail appearance.. One trail has traps, One trail has static orbs, one has dead orbs, one has nothing, one has chests. Pick the trail with nothing. But you see there are 5 different trails so theres something about a second choice if one is missing...
It technically is to a degree if you roll back to different patches. Personally I feel blizzard should have never made the 90-99 race a race at all. We don’t get benefits for being 99.
@@kristopherleslie8343 its like in every other arpg where grinding to max level exist. There is no trophy for being max level it's just a trophy for the gamer himself. I've never did a lvl 99 character and that's something I want to achieve for myself. A level 99 hardcore would be huge. That shows how much time and sacrifice you spend to the game
I'm not a speed runner, but I understand what's to be done to be quick. The only real blunder was that he didn't put up a TP near the flayer dungeon. Missing the seal near the infector was just one of those forgivable things that happen in the heat of it, it cost him 10 seconds. He was lucky in act 1 and 4 and he could go from the spider forest right to the flayer dungeon, that made up for it. On the other hand, he had to check all four arcane branches. Anyway, that was an extraordinary performance and of course, you need luck in addition in order to set up a record in a 25 year old game that still has a large player base. It's easy for us to criticize things while just watching. That was entertaining! BTW, is it allowed to start the game with -seed in order to get a favourable map? However, I doubt that he did that, else he would have made it to the summoner on the first branch he tried.
@ so really all they are doing is using a “pointer” for each act which we think is a loading screen. Think like seeing a mario brothers map but in 3rd (kinda but it’s 2.5D) but our camera is just in a fixed position.
It would be interesting to see an updated "optimized" Run using tech found nowadays along with Seed manipulation, Wave skips, potentially new modded items that better synergize or buff the run overall, and new pathing. (A Px Run as opposed to P1 of course.) Previously the video was like 25ish minutes. One would have to assume now that number could go Sub 20. Just the thought of that is disgusting when realizing how far we've come in regards to D2 speedrunning. For the longest time people thought Sub 1 hour was impossible. Watching the evolution have been a fun ride.
So Llama, what's the theoretical best time for this run but with shared stash and twink gear available (setup perfectly we will imagine, like key items in stash for specific levels and stats as you go)?
I so want a collection of the tiles that have guarantied pack's. As a so so noob its a pain to screen shot every pack. just to find out it was just a random pack >_
There are classic strats for some runs you can use either so long as you convert to kill Baal at some point. Can increase chances of getting fcr on a ring in a sorc run or better weapons for barb
Nothing fishy about this really. Great generation but lots of random good luck (good gold early, +1 CB staff in shop, shrine rolled exp many times, etc).
It seems that you can still shorten the time on these runs by "a lot", given some of the mistakes that happen. But you would probably have to be an AI for that to happen 😅
I remember a few years ago you had a guy on stream that had optimized a perfect sorc run and it came out to like 25 minutes, which blew my mind. I don’t think anyone had broken an hour at that point. Now we’ve got a true 36 minute run, it’s incredible how much this run has progressed in just a few years. What an awesome effort and community following it.
I just rewatched that video and it was six years ago. Crazy doesn't seem that long ago
Time flies. There’s still more to peel off here too, the fourth way arcane, the tp mistake in act 3, the lack of decent drops, it feels like someone is going to hit sub 30 eventually and that’s insane
Botters have beaten it but that’s not legit. It’s been a few people cranking under 25min. There was 1 guy im aware of that actually tried to do a similar way of doing a deepmind StarCraft 2 bot on d2. Wasn’t as advanced but was pretty capable. Crazy thing is its iterative so it did some things I’ve never seen in 20 years
@@kristopherleslie8343you mean TAS bots?
@@SunnygrrSounds more like an AI although I'm really curious how you'd control for the RNG of drops and everything
Still would like a summoning salt and llama collaboration on d2 speed running history
llama this is it
this is the content
Top right town exit with straight bloodmoor and left cold plains give you 100% short act 4. Its also possible to get 100% short act 4 with TL right BM Left CP, but there is less than 10% for left cp, with ignoring most common right CP makes grind exhausting.
TR town exit could be only right or straight bloodmoor, I never run right BM, and you can check it super fast, road turn immediately. Because road always goes to left side of BM, Im moving on right side to get more chanses for shrines + superchests. After TR straight BM it could be only left or straight CP, so its 50% to get good map (instead less than 10% for TL exit). Also it gives you short black marsh, its always left exit one. This road is about 30 sec longer than TR right BM right CP (mostly with short stony fields exits), but with extra superchests and extra shrines will give a lot more good starts + short act 4 saves a lot (not only time but also money for huge pots).
So act 1 affects act 4? Didn’t know 😮
@@kristopherleslie8343 yes and runner explain this in his review video about this record run
Good to know! I figured there was some extra knowledge for that map seed i didn't study yet. I've got some notes on it but need to look at the correlation
It's super cool seeing all the speedrun tech you mentioned in your recent video series put into play. By 20 minutes, he's done the following that I caught:
- Note a good XP shrine potential location for use in fast levels
- Farmed jail super tiles
- Sold and rebought tomes to refill quantity
- S/Q after Andy to save time
- Warp back to A1 and take WP to get to top of A2
- Fast buying potions using both belt method and the spam click+enter with steady mouse
- Also obviously all the tips for map hacking with your mind
I'm sure I'm missing even more points you mentioned.. but it's so fascinating to catch these minor timesaves now!
Yep especially in these shorter runs those time saves are even more % of the total and make even more difference!
he made a review vid of this run and explain a lot of things. Main thing: mistake with teleport checkpoint made him very upset and he decide to do remain run in "high risk mode" and in the end it worth
Yeah i mean he still crushed it! I just couldn't believe the tp miss haha
Can’t lie seeing barriers being broken is the most exciting stuff for me on d2r at this point ❤❤❤❤ good review Llamma enjoyed it 😊
Mr Llama freaking out because he is so much faster but never got this amazing luck xD. So much rage because of miss plays, so sad man. I hope you get this mr llama
Saigon = saigon. Sigon = Sigon.
At 33:00, with the no portal in Act3.
Even 327 is surprised that he didn’t put the TP down. When he waypoints back, he says “seriosna?!”
As in “Seriously!?”
😭
I can teach you how to scout for the most likely arcane path. Theres an element I don't understand that influences it but also there is an element that predicts it. I made a chart of all the elements and just narrowed it down to the statistically most likely trail appearance.. One trail has traps, One trail has static orbs, one has dead orbs, one has nothing, one has chests. Pick the trail with nothing. But you see there are 5 different trails so theres something about a second choice if one is missing...
We used to think sub 1hr was impossible
It technically is to a degree if you roll back to different patches. Personally I feel blizzard should have never made the 90-99 race a race at all. We don’t get benefits for being 99.
@@kristopherleslie8343 its like in every other arpg where grinding to max level exist. There is no trophy for being max level it's just a trophy for the gamer himself. I've never did a lvl 99 character and that's something I want to achieve for myself. A level 99 hardcore would be huge. That shows how much time and sacrifice you spend to the game
@ doesn’t equate to tangible value though
love listening to llama pov for these!
This is the most important category.
Holy POGfest video Llamaman. Fantastic.
2:15 why did he sell the skull ? Is it better to reroll wands ?
Another good video thx bro ❤😊
Do we have more movement speed in this season or am i trippin?
I'd love to see some runs of this from you Llama. Ultimate Any% speedrun of the game!
I'm not a speed runner, but I understand what's to be done to be quick. The only real blunder was that he didn't put up a TP near the flayer dungeon. Missing the seal near the infector was just one of those forgivable things that happen in the heat of it, it cost him 10 seconds. He was lucky in act 1 and 4 and he could go from the spider forest right to the flayer dungeon, that made up for it. On the other hand, he had to check all four arcane branches. Anyway, that was an extraordinary performance and of course, you need luck in addition in order to set up a record in a 25 year old game that still has a large player base. It's easy for us to criticize things while just watching. That was entertaining!
BTW, is it allowed to start the game with -seed in order to get a favourable map? However, I doubt that he did that, else he would have made it to the summoner on the first branch he tried.
That's truly some kind of the perfect speedrun. Im curious if someone can beat this. Crazy
Llamma didn’t you do another review of a guy who beat the record a few years back? That was the first time I recall seeing the jail strategy.
Yeah that was a bit ago but I believe the players 1 record not players x.
@ ahhhh I think your right that was P1
Buddy I have a good question, are literally all 5 acts actually loaded at the time of game creation
For maps yes
@ so really all they are doing is using a “pointer” for each act which we think is a loading screen. Think like seeing a mario brothers map but in 3rd (kinda but it’s 2.5D) but our camera is just in a fixed position.
It would be interesting to see an updated "optimized" Run using tech found nowadays along with Seed manipulation, Wave skips, potentially new modded items that better synergize or buff the run overall, and new pathing. (A Px Run as opposed to P1 of course.)
Previously the video was like 25ish minutes. One would have to assume now that number could go Sub 20. Just the thought of that is disgusting when realizing how far we've come in regards to D2 speedrunning. For the longest time people thought Sub 1 hour was impossible. Watching the evolution have been a fun ride.
I think sub 20 is DEFINITELY a reality
@@MrLlamaSC Agreed
Lama please run this category! You see that there is potential if you have some luck!
So Llama, what's the theoretical best time for this run but with shared stash and twink gear available (setup perfectly we will imagine, like key items in stash for specific levels and stats as you go)?
Kano has done a few of these. Can't remember the times but I think it was sub 1hour through hell
Tha walker in the back is fn great haha
So, not saying it is, but in these runs how is it known that cheatening isn't happening by purposely seeded item drops?
The forbidden flayer dungeon skip
Diablo 1 & 2 ❤
Chef kiss !! 👌
I so want a collection of the tiles that have guarantied pack's. As a so so noob its a pain to screen shot every pack. just to find out it was just a random pack >_
Can i ask why not first play as classic char and after that just kill baal on all of levels ??
There are classic strats for some runs you can use either so long as you convert to kill Baal at some point. Can increase chances of getting fcr on a ring in a sorc run or better weapons for barb
So lucky with the Stones spawn
I'm guessing act 3 to act 2 to act 1 to WP back to act 3 is only faster because loads are removed because it definitely looks slower RTA
who made the rule that load screens dont count?
We agreed as a community because it just varied so much per person. If you have a bad PC you shouldn't be punished minutes worth of time
Good video idea.
the start feels a bit like there are more monsters and more gold drops than usual idk
players 8
My god....I feel like I'm becoming a boomer. But I still love this game haha
I don't like that his health orb isnt clicked to show health.
Don't want to be picky, but you should've put his links in the description
Constant barrage of negative comments yet hes done it better than anyone 😅
Privjet.
everything so convenient.. I mean, what are the chances of having everything right like this? any possibility he modded this before?
4th way arcane?!
@ maybe act 1 only
Nothing fishy about this really. Great generation but lots of random good luck (good gold early, +1 CB staff in shop, shrine rolled exp many times, etc).
When you do thousands of run it becomes probable that some of them get really good RNG
Such an amazing run! Congrats to 327x, a Russian speedrunner ! 👍
a merc that grows with you is better at armor hp and dmg.then one you freshly bought same lvl as the own that made xp side by side with you
This is incorrect. It used to be that hiring a merc in normal would get better stats than from other difficulties but they fixed it in d2r already.
Wow Russian speedrunner. I did not expect.
Wut
Nice!
why? Russian players are very strong
Cos soon they will have food rations so different thing to worry about. 😅 Than speedrunning. 👍🏻
yes, in between committing war crimes they play D2R
It seems that you can still shorten the time on these runs by "a lot", given some of the mistakes that happen. But you would probably have to be an AI for that to happen 😅
Hardest part honestly is getting as amazing of an A1 as he had. That start was INSANE
Noice! also 4th way lolololo jez
Cough, AIs have done it faster lol but that’s not legit 😂❤
He can get sub 34 haha
Yo!🎉
So much criticism.
Wha? Rushing speedrunner?
😂 Had a same question. Cos soon they will have food rations so different thing to worry about 😅 than speedrunning. 👍🏻
Saying what you would do better is funny when you’re looking at someone doing a faster speed run than you ever done lol
Raise your hand if Diablo 2 is better than PoE 2 :)
lol.....sorry....
dont think u can call this a challenging arpg anymore lol
I wonder why on 1st minute he is dealing more dmg than me, same gear only 4 players not 8.. cheaters everywhere...
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Поехали!
The question is, why are you so bad at D2 speedrunning?