I’ve come to realize that the titans for literally any and all reasons hate Jason no matter what. The kid couldn’t catch a break for anything. Tbh I think gar is the only one who tried to give him some leeway
The Titans: “HE CAN’T JOIN! HE KILLED PEOPLE” Also The Titans when Jason died: “We’re not mad at the Joker for killing him, we’re mad at Jason for dying, it’s not like we pushed him so hard that he tried to take his own life before”
Mmmm not really they had a reason to kill Jason didn’t he killed hank in cold blood he was fully aware of what he was doing he’s the one who inhaled the gas anyways, Jason literally watched Tim’s dad die and didn’t do anything but puff again and on top of that he tried to kill dick , gar had no idea what he was doing his brain was literally being tested on so they all had a reason to kill and if anything it was to protect themselves except Jason
I don’t think the issue the Titans have with Jason is about killing (they’ve all killed) but it’s how he killed an innocent and one of their own (Hank). Plus how do you think Dawn will react when she comes back and finds Jason rejoined them? That’s their problem with giving Jason another chance. But Garfield is the only one who’s reasonable here besides Dick
umm. I doubt they should have a say in this considering they practically bullied the kid in the second season resulting in his death. none of them actually deserve any sympathy from Jason Todd.
In my opinion, after what Raven, Hawk, Dove and Wondergirl did to Jason (wrongly accuse him of crap) in season 2, they deserved to be punished. Hawk obviously didn't deserve death but that moment from season 2 still pisses me off everytime I think of it
Kory a murderer from a planet full of killers 😂😂 she ain’t got shit to say about a mind controlled Jason, everybody always wanna say what he did and not what they did to him
Hold on.... Kory killed a woman in the previous episode and Dick killed Zucco. Komarder killed her parents and Conner killed the cadmus guards. NONE OF THEM ARE CLEAN. THEY HAVE ALL KILLED!
@@_exsencefx I don't mean to be mean but I am a die heart Jason todd fan. So I tend to go to any extent to prove him right.... my apologies if it was mean.
There's a saying, dunno where I heard it before, but it goes "When someone comes toward the light, you don't go chasing them back into the dark." On top of that, it doesn't matter whether the people who were killed are good or bad, killing in general is wrong, so they are complete and utter hypocrites. Gar is right, they helped Gar when he was in trouble similarly to Jason, but now it's apparently different for them? At this point all I see is selfishness. But also didn't they treat Jason like crap before? So this isn't about what Jason has done, they just don't like him no matter what.
When Slade was toying with them, they all blamed Jason no questions asked, even made him leave. Then when they found out it was rose's fault, they never apologized once. They're selfish Hippocrates.
@@-flowerbloom9305 True, but Arkham Knight did something neat with that, with Jason getting manipulated by the Joker to hate Batman, but here, Joker didn’t do that, so it doesn’t make any sense at all
I know that Jason Killed innocent people but he's trying to get better and he needs the support but their not trying to help him they keep pushing him away and because of that he is going to end up being a real villain which no one wants. Problems can always be solved you just have to choice to solve them or leave them unanswered but it comes with a price.
I..the hypocrisy honestly. Literally have Blackfire on the team someone who, btw, murdered before. and she slept with Superboy like- what tf do these writers be smoking? Edit: I'm not trying to defend Jason's actions, as those were entirely on him, and him alone. But i can't stand the fact they would allow Blackfire on the team, who killed Star's parents. Like why does she get a free pass, yet Jason doesn't?
@@DedricSilva and didn’t even apologize. You know what let’s rephrase that. Adult heroes caused a child sidekick to attempt suicide. It wasn’t soon after or a while after the argument. No he stormed off just to go to the roof and try to kill himself. Wtf? The fact that his decision to end himself was made up so suddenly says a lot about what else they had put him through before.
This is one of the reasons that I stopped watching this show. These characters act like they are better than they are. I only like Gar because he is reasonable and is smart. But the others act like they are saints. How many ppl hasn't Connor hurt and killed? How many ppl hasn't starfire killed? At least with Stargirl they don't see things from a black and white kind of world and treat someone like Jason like crap, they don't care that they were part of making him who he became.
But the difference is Gar and Connor killed because they actually mind controlled against their will. And Kory didn't kill anyone who didn't deserve it. Jason did that stuff willingly and he killed one of his own and emotionally scarred Dawn forever, with free will at that. That's the difference. You can let him be free and come back to Wayne's manor, but he should not be a Titan again.
@@zoldierz We don't know if they were still inside or not. Their whole purpose for blowing it up was to make sure the people there don't harm any future patients. That would be consider a plot hole. So that's different than Jason's actions.
@@penislicker9037 Yes willing, only thing that drug did was make him fearless about things and he chose the wrong actions after that. Even though he was manipulated, he had the power to not do most of that stuff and Crane didn't even tell him to do all those things.
I ask myself the same question every time they make a series about Batman. The only thing that comes to mind is the writers want to always go against the property to show they are great writers...bs.
I find a HUGE writing problem with 3:34 because gar was mind controlled by cadmus to kill. Any person who Kory has killed throughout the show was going to kill her or was already a criminal and murderer like Valeska last episode who shot her son in front of kory and blackfire. Conner and Dick have attacked police but they haven’t killed I don’t believe. BUT JASON…he murdered hank WILLINGLY, killed the woman in the GCPD precinct, got goons to shoot up Tim’s family restaurant resulting in one of the victims being Tim’s father, and in this episode Jason’s partner scarecrow shot Tim…all of those people were INNOCENT. There is zero correlation to the previous actions of the titans and Jason’s actions this season. He doesn’t deserve redemption in my eyes.
ur dumb. he was under the influence of scarecrows drug so even tho he did these things they were not willingly and were because of the drug. the titans always treated him terrible anyway but he still feels bad for what he did to hank.
@@curvy8072 Jason chose to take the drug though, so still partly his fault. The Titans have the right reaction because they didn't harm innocent people or kill their own. The stuff the other Titans did weren't even comparable to this. Move on and let Jason live his life? Sure. But forgive him and act like nothing happened right away? Hell no.
@@curvy8072 Did you not watch Jason’s solo episode? He went to Arkham Asylum HIMSELF to work to scarecrow before he even started taking the drug, everything after that was completely on him. Gtfo !
@@holyinhumans He did it so he could be a better Robin, to meet Bruce’s standards (even though he already did, but his mentality and insecurities blinded him from eeing that) by having a drug that takes away fear and make Jason stronger. He went to the master of fear drugs, Scarecrow, to do it. He had good intentions but was unable to see how Crane tricked him by using the drug to control Jason
They still shut him out. Deathstroke was right. The Titans act like heroes, but their hypocrites. Bruce said he had no family, but Grayson said he had them. But it was a lie. They all LIED.
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Beast boy actually being on Jason side is true friendship
Beast boy a real one
I’ve come to realize that the titans for literally any and all reasons hate Jason no matter what. The kid couldn’t catch a break for anything. Tbh I think gar is the only one who tried to give him some leeway
The Titans: “HE CAN’T JOIN! HE KILLED PEOPLE”
Also The Titans when Jason died: “We’re not mad at the Joker for killing him, we’re mad at Jason for dying, it’s not like we pushed him so hard that he tried to take his own life before”
Everyone being a hypocrite to Jason? Why am I not surprised?🙄
Me neither. I hate it when people do that.
Mmmm not really they had a reason to kill Jason didn’t he killed hank in cold blood he was fully aware of what he was doing he’s the one who inhaled the gas anyways, Jason literally watched Tim’s dad die and didn’t do anything but puff again and on top of that he tried to kill dick , gar had no idea what he was doing his brain was literally being tested on so they all had a reason to kill and if anything it was to protect themselves except Jason
@@isaiahmoore6504 he was drugged I'm not up to date to this episode I'm on 3x1 right now but I think the anti fear gas has a side effects
But not everyone, Gar is being supportive
@@isaiahmoore6504 Tim's dad didn't die he was just wounded. But your right on everything else
I don’t think the issue the Titans have with Jason is about killing (they’ve all killed) but it’s how he killed an innocent and one of their own (Hank). Plus how do you think Dawn will react when she comes back and finds Jason rejoined them? That’s their problem with giving Jason another chance. But Garfield is the only one who’s reasonable here besides Dick
umm. I doubt they should have a say in this considering they practically bullied the kid in the second season resulting in his death. none of them actually deserve any sympathy from Jason Todd.
I mean Jason killed dick
@@kabirsardana1282facts. 😢
In my opinion, after what Raven, Hawk, Dove and Wondergirl did to Jason (wrongly accuse him of crap) in season 2, they deserved to be punished. Hawk obviously didn't deserve death but that moment from season 2 still pisses me off everytime I think of it
Kory a murderer from a planet full of killers 😂😂 she ain’t got shit to say about a mind controlled Jason, everybody always wanna say what he did and not what they did to him
Hold on.... Kory killed a woman in the previous episode and Dick killed Zucco. Komarder killed her parents and Conner killed the cadmus guards. NONE OF THEM ARE CLEAN. THEY HAVE ALL KILLED!
They didn’t kill innocent people tho-
@@_exsencefx didn't know that the Gotham underworld was innocent 😳 😕 😐 🤔 😅
@@_exsencefx I don't mean to be mean but I am a die heart Jason todd fan. So I tend to go to any extent to prove him right.... my apologies if it was mean.
kory killed a murderer not innocent people..
@@theenvironmentalscientist none of them were innocent, they were criminals, except those cadmus guards
Sometimes forgiveness is often a bigger sin than holding a grudge
And that was the main issue with the excesive violence NONE OF THEM ARE CLEAN and now they are all just being hypocrites with Jason
not all of them whats his name with the green hair thinks jason should have another chance
@@emberkingdomtv1173 Beast Boy is a kind soul but with a feral ability he has potential to be better still.
They are angry because of what happened to Hank, i don't think they care about all the other people
id love to see jason get some redemption i just hope they do it right
i doubt it
This version of Jason Todd should be with Ben afflecks Batman
This makes me feel the people behind the show were the same ones who voted for Jason to die in the comics.
THIS !
LMFAOO LITERALLY
There's a saying, dunno where I heard it before, but it goes "When someone comes toward the light, you don't go chasing them back into the dark." On top of that, it doesn't matter whether the people who were killed are good or bad, killing in general is wrong, so they are complete and utter hypocrites. Gar is right, they helped Gar when he was in trouble similarly to Jason, but now it's apparently different for them? At this point all I see is selfishness. But also didn't they treat Jason like crap before? So this isn't about what Jason has done, they just don't like him no matter what.
When Slade was toying with them, they all blamed Jason no questions asked, even made him leave. Then when they found out it was rose's fault, they never apologized once. They're selfish Hippocrates.
The only way Jason can redeem himself and make this plot somewhat hood is if he sacrifices himself and comes back to life using the pit.
Batman killing the Joker doesn't even make sense for Jason to become Red Hood in the first place anyway 😭
@@-flowerbloom9305 True, but Arkham Knight did something neat with that, with Jason getting manipulated by the Joker to hate Batman, but here, Joker didn’t do that, so it doesn’t make any sense at all
I know that Jason Killed innocent people but he's trying to get better and he needs the support but their not trying to help him they keep pushing him away and because of that he is going to end up being a real villain which no one wants. Problems can always be solved you just have to choice to solve them or leave them unanswered but it comes with a price.
Jason get redemption for killing 100bad guys in season 4when he rescued Tim Drake this season
And he also training with Tim
3:13 the other titans are no clean to trunks to jason all Everything he did but better give second changes like everyone
I totally agree on that
I..the hypocrisy honestly. Literally have Blackfire on the team someone who, btw, murdered before. and she slept with Superboy like- what tf do these writers be smoking?
Edit: I'm not trying to defend Jason's actions, as those were entirely on him, and him alone. But i can't stand the fact they would allow Blackfire on the team, who killed Star's parents. Like why does she get a free pass, yet Jason doesn't?
Exactly bro. Let both of them back or none.
Didn’t blackfire sell Star into slavery?
I’m glad they kept Tim stalker behavior at least
Please don’t turn this situation all over again like season 2
Truth. This is the same team that blamed Jason for everything which led to him attempting suicide.
@@DedricSilva and didn’t even apologize. You know what let’s rephrase that. Adult heroes caused a child sidekick to attempt suicide. It wasn’t soon after or a while after the argument. No he stormed off just to go to the roof and try to kill himself. Wtf? The fact that his decision to end himself was made up so suddenly says a lot about what else they had put him through before.
Yeah, that moment from season 2 makes me hate all of them sometimes (except Dick and Beast Boy)
This is one of the reasons that I stopped watching this show. These characters act like they are better than they are. I only like Gar because he is reasonable and is smart. But the others act like they are saints. How many ppl hasn't Connor hurt and killed? How many ppl hasn't starfire killed? At least with Stargirl they don't see things from a black and white kind of world and treat someone like Jason like crap, they don't care that they were part of making him who he became.
But the difference is Gar and Connor killed because they actually mind controlled against their will. And Kory didn't kill anyone who didn't deserve it. Jason did that stuff willingly and he killed one of his own and emotionally scarred Dawn forever, with free will at that. That's the difference. You can let him be free and come back to Wayne's manor, but he should not be a Titan again.
@@Tae200. So how about when Kory blew up a hospital back in season 1 with people inside? Im sure there were some innocent ppl in there as well.
@@zoldierz We don't know if they were still inside or not. Their whole purpose for blowing it up was to make sure the people there don't harm any future patients. That would be consider a plot hole. So that's different than Jason's actions.
@@Tae200. Willingly? He was drugged. He was manipulated. Yes totally willingly.
@@penislicker9037 Yes willing, only thing that drug did was make him fearless about things and he chose the wrong actions after that. Even though he was manipulated, he had the power to not do most of that stuff and Crane didn't even tell him to do all those things.
Okay this Tim gives me headaches 😂😂
WTF do these writers smoak.
I ask myself the same question every time they make a series about Batman. The only thing that comes to mind is the writers want to always go against the property to show they are great writers...bs.
Crack or something I don't know
1:07 what’s this music called
I find a HUGE writing problem with 3:34 because gar was mind controlled by cadmus to kill. Any person who Kory has killed throughout the show was going to kill her or was already a criminal and murderer like Valeska last episode who shot her son in front of kory and blackfire. Conner and Dick have attacked police but they haven’t killed I don’t believe. BUT JASON…he murdered hank WILLINGLY, killed the woman in the GCPD precinct, got goons to shoot up Tim’s family restaurant resulting in one of the victims being Tim’s father, and in this episode Jason’s partner scarecrow shot Tim…all of those people were INNOCENT. There is zero correlation to the previous actions of the titans and Jason’s actions this season. He doesn’t deserve redemption in my eyes.
ur dumb. he was under the influence of scarecrows drug so even tho he did these things they were not willingly and were because of the drug. the titans always treated him terrible anyway but he still feels bad for what he did to hank.
@@curvy8072 Jason chose to take the drug though, so still partly his fault. The Titans have the right reaction because they didn't harm innocent people or kill their own. The stuff the other Titans did weren't even comparable to this. Move on and let Jason live his life? Sure. But forgive him and act like nothing happened right away? Hell no.
@@curvy8072 Did you not watch Jason’s solo episode? He went to Arkham Asylum HIMSELF to work to scarecrow before he even started taking the drug, everything after that was completely on him. Gtfo !
@@Tae200. Exactly
@@holyinhumans He did it so he could be a better Robin, to meet Bruce’s standards (even though he already did, but his mentality and insecurities blinded him from eeing that) by having a drug that takes away fear and make Jason stronger. He went to the master of fear drugs, Scarecrow, to do it. He had good intentions but was unable to see how Crane tricked him by using the drug to control Jason
Jason should wear the robin suit one last time in the finale and save Gotham. I think he should die a hero, I don’t see him being in season 4
I think it's better if he stays alive and I hope he comes back to the titans
They still shut him out. Deathstroke was right. The Titans act like heroes, but their hypocrites. Bruce said he had no family, but Grayson said he had them. But it was a lie. They all LIED.
Lol oh okay Jason star fire don’t burn him grrr he killed Hank
one of the few clips ive seen and i just wanna say. why is tim drake black?
What race is he supposed to be??
@@sihleethan467 white.
Kory killed the nuclear family in season 1 and therefore she is no one to judge anything or anyone ......love the show.. but hate the hypocrisy 🙄 😒 😕
the nuclear family were blown up by bombs in their head by the doctor who was controlling them…try again
@@holyinhumans she blew the father's head before that in ep 4 (I think it's that one)
Who cares the nuclear family were trash
What wtf Tim is not black
3:22-3:27
Its like they went out of their way to pick a bad tim drake.
Jason should played tim and Tim should’ve played Damien but regardless they suck at picking actors in general
It’s like in exchange for picking the perfect night wing, they picked a bad everything else.
Why is starfire black lmfao
Long story
Because it's hard to find orange skinned actors these days
@@Karlebow571 youtube gives you plenty of characters to explain....