Please update the video to address the dumb 3-way switch that is in this circuit to show it still controls the light even if the smart 3-way switch is off.
Thank you for making this episode. Your explanation was great! I had my 3-way light hooked up in about 10 minutes. The added information regarding only having to install one of these was a bonus! Now I have an extra for another set of lights.
It took me 5 minutes to install my switch with your method and in addition I saved a switch for another project. I will use the free switch like a 2 ways one. Thank you so much for your video!
Very helpful. I’ve lost track of how many videos I’ve watched on this topic but yours was by far the most straight forward and easy to understand. Thank you!
I love these! When the family is being lazy and vegin' infront of TV and nobody wants to get up to turn lights off... I just pull out phone and BAM .. off.
Thank you thank you thank you!!! I had done one of the two switches from the KASA Kit a while ago without any trouble, but today doing the second one months later I had forgotten the steps. This video gave me the 'facepalm' that I needed to figure out what I was doing wrong. Works like a charm now.
Your smart switch always needs power. It does that by connecting to the LINE and the neutral (that's why it needs neutral, to power itself) So in the situation demonstrated, you have to be sure that the switch you replace is connected to the LINE. If you replace the switch that is connected to the LOAD, if you switch off using the other switch (connected to the LINE), it will cut power to your smart switch and will not work. So, in most configurations, you have two switches. If you replace one and is sometimes shuts off the smart switch, switch switches :-)
This was what I was looking for. I couldn't wrap my head around how only replacing the one would work haha. But now that I think about it, how could you replace both?? Both would need line power!
Thanks for the clear explanation! I heard the smart switch should be installed at the 1st switch with constant power, but some said their switch worked installed at the 2nd switch. Was deciding if it matter, but I'll install at the 1st switch.
@@ForTheWin2007 I have this same question as well. I just installed on (I guess) the wrong switch bc it Alexa doesnt recognize it when the other switch in the 3 way is turned off. So my main question, for when I am installing at my other 3 way switches is how to tell which one to replace with the smart switch?
I'm pretty sure it will invert the state of the light. So if you flip the other one while the TP Link thinks it has the light on, it will turn off. Then if you ask Alexa to turn on the light it will likely state it is already on. If you ask Alexa to turn it off, it will turn turn on. I think this is the point of having 2 3way switches so that the software can detect the other switch state and comply accordingly.
Nice. A lot of people asking which switch you should put this on. It depends on the switch. Some want to be on the load side and some want to be on the line side. Also, some require you to change the wiring of the second switch, and some don't. Some require you to connect a specific remote switch to work with the smart switch. We recently installed Amazon Basics 3-way smart switch and it specifies if using a single smart switch it must be on the load side, ie, the side where the switch is connected to the wire that comes from the light fixture.
It doesn't. The other one works just like normal and the smart switch works as if both switches were smart - it's pretty cool. I have this same setup on all of our 3-way switches in my house. One smart and one... not smart :)
@LRN2DIY - The switch with the Neutrals in the box is the load switch (shorts the circuit, when I connect the Neutral wire to the switch), and the line switch uses the Neutral wire as one of the Travelers! The line switch is configured in a two-gang box with another three-way switch (I would like to replace that one, too). Can I pig-tail the Line wire from the adjacent switch to the Neutral for the smart switch? Thanks.
this does look like its the best option if you want to use the smart life app. Its hard to find a smart 3 way light switch! thanks for the video, great content! really easy to understand! I subscribed!
So quick question, I love the tp link stuff and have a ton of 3 way, and even 4 way, light circuits in my house. I like how you only used one switch on the circuit, but I'm wondering what happens if you only do one smart switch and then flip the non smart switch. Does it totally confuse the system? Do you now have to tell Alexa to turn ON the lights when they're already on to get them to go off? Also, any experience with one of the other switches on the circuit being a dimmer? Any help would be awesome. Thanks.
Great questions. I wondered those same things and I have good news. If you only put one smart 3-way switch in and leave the other one dumb (at least the brand I used in this video), it works the same as if both were smart. It knows if the light is on or off and works just like you would hope it would. As for the dimmer, I have that set up as well. I have some 3-way light switches in my basement where one of them is a smart 3-way, like you see in this video, and the other is a dumb dimmer. It works perfectly. If the dimmer is set to 30%, then the lights turn on at 30%. The dimmer is in full control of brightness and the smart switch just acts as your one of your on/off switches. No issues and, if you don't need to change your brightness often, it can save quite a bit of money to use this setup.
@@LRN2DIY Awesome, thanks so much. One more for ya, do you know if it works in a 4 way? I have a couple big rooms that have three switches for one light.
@@brandonb417 I'm no help on that one. We don't have any 4-way switches so I haven't had a chance to try it. You might want to scour through the reviews to see if they mention it though. I wouldn't be surprised if it worked.
So if you flip the other switch on the 3 way is the smart switch inverted? Or does it detect loads and know that it's now on/off? You seemed to imply the latter in your video but I would like to see a demonstration.
The latter. Adding one smart 3-way light switch will work the same as it did before. If you use the other light switch (the "dumb" one) to turn off the lights, clicking your smart switch will turn them on. If they're on and you use the other switch to turn them off, clicking the smart switch will turn them on.
@@LRN2DIY I bought one of these lights and this is not true. Both the smart switch and the manual switch operate the light as expected, but the smartswitch and app both show the light as "off" regardless if the light is on or not. I can still turn the light on or off with the app, it just doesn't show me if the light is on or not.
Thank you for all of your help, after taking your advice, I looked inside of my light switch box behind the switch and I can see the white neutral wire, now I can purchase the switches!
Nooice! Thank you! My living room has 4 switches that control the same light. Is that set up the same as 3-way? Can I use the same 3-way switch in this video? Also, I have a ceiling fan that has a light. One switch controls both light/fan. Can I just use the non-3-way version? Thanks much!
Do you have any idea and advice when status always shows as "off" on Smart Life App and Alexa? The only way I can turn on and off is to ask Alexa to turn on the lights as Alexa does not respond to off and as I stated status is always showing off. Thank you.
@@denmarkstagestophouse5740 That's a tough one - could be any number of things but I'd try to remove/forget the switch and then set it up like new and see if that helps. I have had a few connectivity issues over the years and that usually does the job. Good luck!
Let me get it clear. One 3-way switch kit comes with 2 light switches. You only need one to replace one of the two older dumb switches and now you have wifi capability on top of both the keys physically work as old days to either way turn on or off, and lastly, you have a second smart 3-way switch to install in another location! Am I right or am I missing something as this sounds too good to be true! Thanks,
Hi great channel You mentioned another video outlining the whole home smart home at the end of this video, I can’t find it in your playlist. Can you help me? Thanks
I also have a 4 way switch. Can I use the same way to just replace the master? Will this method work for 4-way switch? Thank you for this video. Will replace the 3 way switches in my house. Hope this works for the 4 - way as well!
What happens to the light the switch is connected to after the power is restored after a power outage/flicker?? If the light is in the off state, does it go to an off state after the power is restored or does it turn on like the smart bulbs do??
I add them to my main network but I did discover that not all routers work well with a lot of devices. I'm a big smart home guy so we have 77 devices on our network. We switched to Google WiFi mesh routers and they handle it like a champ. If you have 5-30 devices, most routers can handle that just fine.
I have watched about a dozen of these three-way switch videos and yours is the best. My problem is that there is no neutral wire in the master unit. The other switch (that goes to the light) does have the neutral wire. If I go ahead and install both three-way switches. would that work? Also, how would I wire the side with no neutral wire? It is not reasonably feasible for me to run a neutral wire from another switch.
This is EXACTLY my problem!!! The switch with the Neutrals in the box is the load switch (shorts the circuit, when I connect the Neutral wire to the switch), and the line switch uses the Neutral wire as one of the Travelers! The line switch is configured in a two-gang box with another three-way switch (I would like to replace that one, too). Can I pig-tail the Line wire from the adjacent switch to the Neutral for the smart switch? Did you, original commenter ever get an answer to your question, and get yours to work? Thanks.
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So the other switch (the one that is not "smart") does not require to change anything? Just by replacing one of them was enough? and you can still use both to turn on/off the lights?
If you use the kind mentioned in this video, both ends will work great all the time. That's my exact setup. With this type there's no need to put a smart switch on both ends - just one.
Well done. ordered topgreener wifi 3 way and couldn't get it to work (i have my own DIY channel so not a total novice)...will order through your affiliate to help pay for time/effort to make this informative video! thanks!
So, I have 3 switches, one is 3 way, the other are single, I wanna put a smart on both singles, I don't need the 3 way smart, but it would look awkward, any recommendations?
After installing if my other non smart switch is flipped to turn lights off will it register in app as being off or do I need do or replace it with a smart switch?
The concept is exactly the same so it should, but be sure to check the wiring of the fan first. If it's set up the same/similar to what you see in this video then it should work.
Ok. I was going to pay someone to install my one 3pole and 4 single pole but they had to postpone due to a COVID test so I took a chance and I've installed the 3pole and 2 single poles!! Tomorrow I plan on installing the other 2 but after trying 15 minutes of off/on different circuit breakers I can't locate the one that turns off/on the upstairs outdoor light switch! I had it installed and the guy that did it connected off the outlet in the attic/crawlspace (where my air handler is)...so I have no idea what circuit that connects to/runs off!
I don't actually know for sure. I have had a couple of 3-way switches where I tried to install the new switch and it didn't work, then I tried it on the other one and it worked. I'm uncertain if that's because I wired something wrong or if it has to be installed on the "master" switch. I think this can really depend on the wiring configuration of your setup as well. I did some searching before I got started with all this and didn't find a definitive answer.
Months late for you I'm sure, but YES it matters. You need to find the one that has the load line from the circuit box. Often time sit will be a black wire nutted in with a bunch of other wires in the same box. Can get more complicated, but Google how to find load line in 3 way switch setup.
It does matter. You have to use the side with the load wire not the common. Check this vid to see how to find the right side th-cam.com/video/Xp4FWJRzHdo/w-d-xo.html
Hello Justin, we have a smart switch that with Load,Line,Nuetral,Ground wires. It's single-pole switch, but according to what you showed on this video, A single-pole smart switch can be used on 3-way switch also? Just need to change one of the current switch and remain the other, right? Please let me know...
Been doing general electrical work for over 20 years so what I really want know is where did you get those nifty wire strippers?!?! Hope I can find them on Amazon
Okay so since this is a 3 way...what about the other switches? Do they work normal? Does it still turn the lights on and off? That bnb always seems to be the part every one leaves out.
I think you're right - I didn't even show it, but yes - the other light switch works perfectly and you can use either one to control the lights. It doesn't matter what position the second switch is in, the smart switch knows if the lights are on or off and will respond accordingly.
What would happen if you used a typical HS200 smart switch instead of the HS210 3-way smart switch? Would you lose functionality of the other 3-way switch? Would it have to be used on the master?
Interesting question. I suppose it depends on how you wire the switch and how the wires are connected to the fixture, since that can be done a few ways. I really doubt that the new switch would work, let alone the additional switch.
@@wylievc I actually read that this works just fine. If you want a consistent look between your light switches, you can just use this one for both single pole and 3-way light switches. Should work just fine!
Hi Justin, thanks for the great video very informative. I just curious about the other end of the line which is the normal 3 way switch. If you toggle the other 3 way switch (not smart one) would the power of HS210 still available? Because in my case the power was cut if I turned off the normal 3 way switch. It is alright if the normal 3 way switch is in on position but once it is in OFF position there is no power on the smart 3 way switch (H210). Thanks in advance..
That should not happen. Someone did not wire you 3 way right. You have a feeder or live wire 2 travelers and they goto the other 3 way. That one takes the 2 travelers and gets power off of 1 of them based on the other switch. Then you have the load going to the light from the switch. So if you have anything else on there it's wrong. Someone wired mine wrong and I was surprised it worked. Took me hours to identify the wires.
I've found that it actually did matter on some of mine but it's hard to know until you try it. I did several of these in my house (probably 6 sets) and on a couple of them they didn't work so I had to put the smart switch on the other switch and then it worked.
@@LRN2DIY Thank you for replying. That confirms other information I've read about these. From what I've read it needs to be on the one that has the feed from the circuit breaker. After seeing this and taking a look at my switches I'm going to have an electrician install it (and this ensures they get to struggle with the small boxes to squeeze all the wires/nuts in!) I'll check out your other video re:electrical tape on the screws and perhaps suggest that be done on the one I'm having installed. I"m having 5 installed - one is a 3-way while the others are all single-pole.
@@jmoosic Yes. The smart switch recognizes the state of the light (on or off) regardless of whether it took the action. It's essentially the same exact thing as having two smart switches except that they'll look different.
@@jmoosic That I'm not sure about. I don't actually have any 4-ways in my setup so I haven't messed with that but I know that they sell 4-way smart light switches. I assume they only need one as well but I can't say for sure.
Sorry, I didn't explain that too well. I did another video recently that showed the electrical tape wrap so you can see that here: th-cam.com/video/drsaKC6_gYw/w-d-xo.html. The idea is to cover up the screws so that wires don't accidentally touch them. Not everybody likes doing this but it's saved me a lot of trouble a few times.
Installed a few all work great, however the ones I just installed turns the power on but the light just dimly blinks. The switch has power but the light fixture just blinks. Any ideas ?
A couple of things to check. First is the wiring connections. This can be hard to tell without unwiring and rewiring but pull the switch out and tug on the wires. If any of them are loose or come out then that's likely the culprit. While it's unlikely, another thing could be the bulbs themselves. If you think the bulbs in your fixture are on the fritz, you can put them in another fixture to see if they do the same thing. My guess is that one of the connections with the wires is barely in or barely touching so I'd check that first. Good luck!
I had the one 3 way switch installed it all works, the problem i am facing is the when I toggle the traditional switch the smart switch is not functional, i had to toggle back the traditional switch to make the smart switch work, am I doing anything wrong?
If you install a dimmable smart switch, then yes. I later installed a dimmable switch on my dining lights and pendant lights and they're really nice. You can even use your smart home control to say "Alexa (or whichever you use), set the dining lights to 50%", which is pretty handy.
I wasn't really certain if there was a way to tell. I had a couple of instances where I tried it on one and it didn't work at all and then I tried the other and it worked. Not sure if someone else has any insight on this one.
Not holding you to an answer since I realize you are not an electrician and a DIY guy but do you know if this install works with a 4 way? My husband and I both love to DIY and work in IT as well like you. We didn’t even realize until we popped off the plates that we were dealing with a 4 way because one switch we weren’t even aware existed after living in this house twenty years lol 🤷♀️ I looked on amazon in q&a comments for this switch and ppl said it worked for them on 4 way and they just installed one smart switch and left other two switches alone. I would just think the switch in the middle of the other two (since the other two look like 3 way and only the one in middle has two red wires looks like 4 way) would be the one that controls the load and therefore the one you have to replace? Thanks.
Okay we figured out a work around for anyone struggling with 4 way switch (3 switches controlling 1 light). Husband and wife computer programmers never surrender! We found it works best installing on the first switch going to the box (line) as the last switch going to the light (load) had more delay. We read not to try this on the 4 way switch on the middle of those two three ways so we didn’t. For us the 3 ways had two blacks and one red. The 4 way had two reds. We tested the wires with voltage detector to make sure we were picking up the right wire to connect to line but it was in a black screw and the other black went to a copper like the red so those are both considered travelers in this situation. After you install and control the lights in the app it doesn’t work on a 4 way like our traditional 3 way installations which work as his here. In the Kasa app for the 3 ways the green light indicates the light is on. In the 4 way set up it indicates it’s working on the request basically. Do not click again until that green light goes out or you will blow apps mind and get it out of sync (only on unsupported 4 way mind you works perfectly in 3 way). Okay so now we use the built in hub in our Alexa Echo Show 2.0 and voice control our devices on that and several 3rd gen dots. On the 3 way that works great. On a 4 way using the Show 2 as hub you have to say “alexa, turn the light switch on” every time whether you want to turn it on or off. Asking her to turn it on and off as you logically would doesn’t work right. Or we have the whole thing wrong but I’m guessing it’s code that’s not working correctly on the show’s hub. I was ready to box it up and send it back and try to talk him into spending $100 on 3 GE switches to hopefully work better but my husband said “wait, just say on every time” my programmer brain was with him as I know it’s just a toggle either way 🤦♀️ guess we will stick with this and just say on every time lol.
Great question, Micah. Here's one by Leviton that is really well rated and has a nice low profile dimmer built in. I'll add this link into the description. amzn.to/2Vi47JI
@@LRN2DIY could you mix and match three ways from that line? Eg. A 3 way dinner paired with a 3 way regular switch. I can't see a reason why, but I'm not very familiar with home electrical.
If you mean putting different switch types in the same box then yes. Dimmers, smart or dumb, old or new but it typically means that they’ll look different from the outside.
@@LRN2DIY the ones installed in house already has a dimmer at one end, but just a regular dumb 3 way at other end, if I left the dumb 3 way then installed the new smart dimmer in place of dumb one, we should be golden.
The other side is a standard 3-way switch, not a smart switch. You only need one smart 3-way switch per light and you should be able to leave the other corresponding switch (not smart) just as it is.
Thanks for the reply. What if I want to have a 4 way switch (4 switches, one set light) does it still work the same way? Also, I live in Thailand and we use 220V electricity. Been trying to find 3 way smart switch that operates on 220 but no luck yet. Any suggestions?
@@atiwitwichi I haven't tried a 4-way switch yet and I haven't seen which switches work on 220v so I'm afraid I'm not much help there. Sorry about that!
It can be really tough to tell. You can take one switch out and test it out with the new switch and you've got a 50/50 chance or you can study up on how to identify the master. I found this thread helpful (www.diychatroom.com/f18/two-3-way-switches-one-acting-master-switch-135283/) but honestly every house can be so different that it's still tough to give one method of identifying your setup.
I have two black live wires on my Kasa switch but only one black live wire in my wall. What should I do with the extra black wire from the Kasa switch? It's 3 wires in total that comes from my wall (the copper ground wire, a single black wire, and a single white wire,) I do not have a bunch of wires bundled up in my wall. I only have the 3 wires in the wall, black, copper, and white. But 4 wires on the Kasa switch 2 black live wires, 1 green for copper, and 1 white for neutral. When I tried connecting both live wires from the Kasa switch, to the one single black wire coming from the wall, it does not work. My light comes on very dim and it's NOT a dimming light. And, the Kasa switch makes a clicking sound that won't stop when I try to reset it. The same thing happens when I leave the extra black wire hanging from the Kasa switch. Do I tie connect the extra black live wire from the Kasa switch to another wire from the wall like, to the ground or, the white wire? Or, maybe the black and white wires in the wall are both live wires and I don't have a neutral 🤔. I hope that ain't the case. Please help me.
Yes. MartinJerry make them, as do other manufacturers. Not sure if TPLink make them. I just found this video and asked a question above about whether these other manufacturers switch sets can be broken up to power two different circuits.
Wonderful! I also appreciate the fact that you leave the heads of the screws aligned!
Please update the video to address the dumb 3-way switch that is in this circuit to show it still controls the light even if the smart 3-way switch is off.
Thank you for making this episode. Your explanation was great! I had my 3-way light hooked up in about 10 minutes. The added information regarding only having to install one of these was a bonus! Now I have an extra for another set of lights.
It took me 5 minutes to install my switch with your method and in addition I saved a switch for another project. I will use the free switch like a 2 ways one. Thank you so much for your video!
My main has 2 red & 2 black along with the ground wire. Haven't found a video that shows how to connect to a smart switch with only 3 screws.
I had been struggling getting my smart 3 way switch working your directions finally got me to the finish line. thank you for such a great tutorial.
Very helpful. I’ve lost track of how many videos I’ve watched on this topic but yours was by far the most straight forward and easy to understand. Thank you!
Thanks!
I love these! When the family is being lazy and vegin' infront of TV and nobody wants to get up to turn lights off... I just pull out phone and BAM
.. off.
Thank you thank you thank you!!! I had done one of the two switches from the KASA Kit a while ago without any trouble, but today doing the second one months later I had forgotten the steps. This video gave me the 'facepalm' that I needed to figure out what I was doing wrong. Works like a charm now.
Glad to hear it helped!
Your smart switch always needs power. It does that by connecting to the LINE and the neutral (that's why it needs neutral, to power itself)
So in the situation demonstrated, you have to be sure that the switch you replace is connected to the LINE. If you replace the switch that is connected to the LOAD, if you switch off using the other switch (connected to the LINE), it will cut power to your smart switch and will not work.
So, in most configurations, you have two switches. If you replace one and is sometimes shuts off the smart switch, switch switches :-)
This was what I was looking for. I couldn't wrap my head around how only replacing the one would work haha. But now that I think about it, how could you replace both?? Both would need line power!
Thanks for the clear explanation! I heard the smart switch should be installed at the 1st switch with constant power, but some said their switch worked installed at the 2nd switch. Was deciding if it matter, but I'll install at the 1st switch.
Thanks for this. How do you determine which switch connects to the line or load?
@@ForTheWin2007 I have this same question as well. I just installed on (I guess) the wrong switch bc it Alexa doesnt recognize it when the other switch in the 3 way is turned off. So my main question, for when I am installing at my other 3 way switches is how to tell which one to replace with the smart switch?
so what happens when someone turns on or off the other three way light?
I'm pretty sure it will invert the state of the light. So if you flip the other one while the TP Link thinks it has the light on, it will turn off. Then if you ask Alexa to turn on the light it will likely state it is already on. If you ask Alexa to turn it off, it will turn turn on. I think this is the point of having 2 3way switches so that the software can detect the other switch state and comply accordingly.
Subbed because you line up the screw slot directions...👍🏽
Nice. A lot of people asking which switch you should put this on. It depends on the switch. Some want to be on the load side and some want to be on the line side.
Also, some require you to change the wiring of the second switch, and some don't. Some require you to connect a specific remote switch to work with the smart switch.
We recently installed Amazon Basics 3-way smart switch and it specifies if using a single smart switch it must be on the load side, ie, the side where the switch is connected to the wire that comes from the light fixture.
Great job, very helpful. Knowing I can use the two pack on separate lights is a great tip!
Hey @lrn2diy, how does having just the one Kasa on the circuit affect the use of the other 3way switch? Thanks for the video.
It doesn't. The other one works just like normal and the smart switch works as if both switches were smart - it's pretty cool. I have this same setup on all of our 3-way switches in my house. One smart and one... not smart :)
@LRN2DIY - The switch with the Neutrals in the box is the load switch (shorts the circuit, when I connect the Neutral wire to the switch), and the line switch uses the Neutral wire as one of the Travelers! The line switch is configured in a two-gang box with another three-way switch (I would like to replace that one, too). Can I pig-tail the Line wire from the adjacent switch to the Neutral for the smart switch? Thanks.
this does look like its the best option if you want to use the smart life app. Its hard to find a smart 3 way light switch! thanks for the video, great content! really easy to understand! I subscribed!
So quick question, I love the tp link stuff and have a ton of 3 way, and even 4 way, light circuits in my house. I like how you only used one switch on the circuit, but I'm wondering what happens if you only do one smart switch and then flip the non smart switch. Does it totally confuse the system? Do you now have to tell Alexa to turn ON the lights when they're already on to get them to go off?
Also, any experience with one of the other switches on the circuit being a dimmer?
Any help would be awesome. Thanks.
Great questions. I wondered those same things and I have good news. If you only put one smart 3-way switch in and leave the other one dumb (at least the brand I used in this video), it works the same as if both were smart. It knows if the light is on or off and works just like you would hope it would.
As for the dimmer, I have that set up as well. I have some 3-way light switches in my basement where one of them is a smart 3-way, like you see in this video, and the other is a dumb dimmer. It works perfectly. If the dimmer is set to 30%, then the lights turn on at 30%. The dimmer is in full control of brightness and the smart switch just acts as your one of your on/off switches. No issues and, if you don't need to change your brightness often, it can save quite a bit of money to use this setup.
@@LRN2DIY Awesome, thanks so much. One more for ya, do you know if it works in a 4 way? I have a couple big rooms that have three switches for one light.
@@brandonb417 I'm no help on that one. We don't have any 4-way switches so I haven't had a chance to try it. You might want to scour through the reviews to see if they mention it though. I wouldn't be surprised if it worked.
I watched so many videos, yours the best! Simple, easy & helpful. Thanks!
I like the way you do and explain it really simple to understand, thank you so much for your video.
So if you flip the other switch on the 3 way is the smart switch inverted? Or does it detect loads and know that it's now on/off? You seemed to imply the latter in your video but I would like to see a demonstration.
The latter. Adding one smart 3-way light switch will work the same as it did before. If you use the other light switch (the "dumb" one) to turn off the lights, clicking your smart switch will turn them on. If they're on and you use the other switch to turn them off, clicking the smart switch will turn them on.
LRN2DIY what about in the app? If the light is on and I use the dumb switch to turn it off will the app show the light is off?
PumpkinDog33 Yes, app is smart enough to see/know and show you.
@@LRN2DIY I bought one of these lights and this is not true. Both the smart switch and the manual switch operate the light as expected, but the smartswitch and app both show the light as "off" regardless if the light is on or not. I can still turn the light on or off with the app, it just doesn't show me if the light is on or not.
Thank you for all of your help, after taking your advice, I looked inside of my light switch box behind the switch and I can see the white neutral wire, now I can purchase the switches!
So for the satellite switch can you use just a basic TP-Link smart switch the HS200P3 ?? To turn lights on/off
How do you find out which one is the master switch in the 3 way setup?
Great tutorial, wish I had seen this video before I purchased the wrong smart switches.
Nooice! Thank you! My living room has 4 switches that control the same light. Is that set up the same as 3-way? Can I use the same 3-way switch in this video? Also, I have a ceiling fan that has a light. One switch controls both light/fan. Can I just use the non-3-way version? Thanks much!
Do you have any idea and advice when status always shows as "off" on Smart Life App and Alexa? The only way I can turn on and off is to ask Alexa to turn on the lights as Alexa does not respond to off and as I stated status is always showing off. Thank you.
I just realized that when on or off will very briefly show the correct status and then revert back if this helps with any clues on how to resolve.
@@denmarkstagestophouse5740 That's a tough one - could be any number of things but I'd try to remove/forget the switch and then set it up like new and see if that helps. I have had a few connectivity issues over the years and that usually does the job. Good luck!
Great video! What if I want the lights to dim? Would I just put the dimmer on the dumb switch?
Let me get it clear. One 3-way switch kit comes with 2 light switches. You only need one to replace one of the two older dumb switches and now you have wifi capability on top of both the keys physically work as old days to either way turn on or off, and lastly, you have a second smart 3-way switch to install in another location!
Am I right or am I missing something as this sounds too good to be true!
Thanks,
Is it possible to use 2 motion sensor smart lights on a 3 way set up?
Absolutely perfect video and explanation! Now I know exactly what I need to start my smart home journey.
Hi great channel
You mentioned another video outlining the whole home smart home at the end of this video, I can’t find it in your playlist. Can you help me? Thanks
Curious, are you able to dim manually??
I also have a 4 way switch. Can I use the same way to just replace the master? Will this method work for 4-way switch? Thank you for this video. Will replace the 3 way switches in my house. Hope this works for the 4 - way as well!
What happens to the light the switch is connected to after the power is restored after a power outage/flicker?? If the light is in the off state, does it go to an off state after the power is restored or does it turn on like the smart bulbs do??
Excellent description of installment procedures.
Does the other 3 way switch still work like a normal 3way?
Can you dim the lights with that 3wsy dimer trough alexa?
You sure can. Just say “Alexa, set dining lights to 50%.”
Excellent explanation, I was able to get mine wired up and working. Well done and thank you.
Does this concept still hold true if the smart 3way switch is a dimmer switch, the dumb 3way switch is not a dimmer, and the light(s) are dimmable?
Does it matter if you instal the smart 3-way switch on the master switch or the other one? How can you tell which switch is the master?
Do you add your IoT devices to your main home network? Or do you have a separate network for those?
I add them to my main network but I did discover that not all routers work well with a lot of devices. I'm a big smart home guy so we have 77 devices on our network. We switched to Google WiFi mesh routers and they handle it like a champ. If you have 5-30 devices, most routers can handle that just fine.
My kasa kit only has one switch with a neutral wire, the other switch does not. How would you use them separately?
Thanks for your time and video. Your video was clear and to the point. Thanks.
I have watched about a dozen of these three-way switch videos and yours is the best. My problem is that there is no neutral wire in the master unit. The other switch (that goes to the light) does have the neutral wire. If I go ahead and install both three-way switches. would that work? Also, how would I wire the side with no neutral wire? It is not reasonably feasible for me to run a neutral wire from another switch.
This is EXACTLY my problem!!! The switch with the Neutrals in the box is the load switch (shorts the circuit, when I connect the Neutral wire to the switch), and the line switch uses the Neutral wire as one of the Travelers! The line switch is configured in a two-gang box with another three-way switch (I would like to replace that one, too). Can I pig-tail the Line wire from the adjacent switch to the Neutral for the smart switch? Did you, original commenter ever get an answer to your question, and get yours to work? Thanks.
So the other switch (the one that is not "smart") does not require to change anything? Just by replacing one of them was enough? and you can still use both to turn on/off the lights?
That's correct. It's really nice.
@@heynils Excellent. Thanks for your response.
Can you use the extra 3 way switch to a Non 3 way wall switch?
Thanks for The information that you only need to put one at one end
Any new updated info re Smart Switches after 2 years? Would you still reccomend tp-link kit? Have they removed the `loophole`
Hey Jeremy. These continue to work flawlessly, so that's a yes. Definitely still recommended.
Scandinavian smart! Thank you. Quick answer right here!
Nice tutorial very detailed
What’s will happen if you instill a non 3 way smart switch to a 3 way outlet. Will just one end work?
If you use the kind mentioned in this video, both ends will work great all the time. That's my exact setup. With this type there's no need to put a smart switch on both ends - just one.
Well done. ordered topgreener wifi 3 way and couldn't get it to work (i have my own DIY channel so not a total novice)...will order through your affiliate to help pay for time/effort to make this informative video! thanks!
So, I have 3 switches, one is 3 way, the other are single, I wanna put a smart on both singles, I don't need the 3 way smart, but it would look awkward, any recommendations?
After installing if my other non smart switch is flipped to turn lights off will it register in app as being off or do I need do or replace it with a smart switch?
The other (“dumb”) switch will register the change in your app. Only one side needs a smart switch.
Will this switch work with a ceiling fan?
The concept is exactly the same so it should, but be sure to check the wiring of the fan first. If it's set up the same/similar to what you see in this video then it should work.
Ok. I was going to pay someone to install my one 3pole and 4 single pole but they had to postpone due to a COVID test so I took a chance and I've installed the 3pole and 2 single poles!! Tomorrow I plan on installing the other 2 but after trying 15 minutes of off/on different circuit breakers I can't locate the one that turns off/on the upstairs outdoor light switch! I had it installed and the guy that did it connected off the outlet in the attic/crawlspace (where my air handler is)...so I have no idea what circuit that connects to/runs off!
Really a GOOD - Detailed instruction . VERY well made.
Best video on this topic.
Does it matter which regular 3-way switch I replace with the TP Link Smart switch?
I don't actually know for sure. I have had a couple of 3-way switches where I tried to install the new switch and it didn't work, then I tried it on the other one and it worked. I'm uncertain if that's because I wired something wrong or if it has to be installed on the "master" switch. I think this can really depend on the wiring configuration of your setup as well. I did some searching before I got started with all this and didn't find a definitive answer.
Months late for you I'm sure, but YES it matters. You need to find the one that has the load line from the circuit box. Often time sit will be a black wire nutted in with a bunch of other wires in the same box. Can get more complicated, but Google how to find load line in 3 way switch setup.
It does matter. You have to use the side with the load wire not the common. Check this vid to see how to find the right side th-cam.com/video/Xp4FWJRzHdo/w-d-xo.html
How do you know which is the 'master' switch?
Hello Justin, we have a smart switch that with Load,Line,Nuetral,Ground wires. It's single-pole switch, but according to what you showed on this video, A single-pole smart switch can be used on 3-way switch also? Just need to change one of the current switch and remain the other, right? Please let me know...
My system has power entering the light fixture. How do I wire for that?
does this 3 way allow you to dim also? if not does this brand offer?
It doesn't and I haven't seen a dimmable 3-way from this brand, only a dimmable single pole switch.
what about security settings. can you hide the wifi channel for the swiches?
You can create an SSID on your home network specifically for Switches, Smart Plugs, Lights, etc. Then hide the SSID from broadcasting publicly.
Been doing general electrical work for over 20 years so what I really want know is where did you get those nifty wire strippers?!?! Hope I can find them on Amazon
Okay so since this is a 3 way...what about the other switches? Do they work normal? Does it still turn the lights on and off? That bnb always seems to be the part every one leaves out.
I think you're right - I didn't even show it, but yes - the other light switch works perfectly and you can use either one to control the lights. It doesn't matter what position the second switch is in, the smart switch knows if the lights are on or off and will respond accordingly.
@@LRN2DIY awesome! I'm gonna try one first. I've got about 5 different spots in my home that are 3 ways so I wanna make sure one works first.
can you also share us intermediate or four way switch with smart wifi light switch?
What type of switch to use for the other one? Do I still need regular 3 way switch (non-wifi)?
Jerry Pan Yes, just a regular 3-way.
Does it matter which switch (3 way)you instill the smart switch?
Hi
I have a different brant switch , it works for me but the regular 3 way switch on the outer side can only turn it of ...
What would happen if you used a typical HS200 smart switch instead of the HS210 3-way smart switch? Would you lose functionality of the other 3-way switch? Would it have to be used on the master?
Interesting question. I suppose it depends on how you wire the switch and how the wires are connected to the fixture, since that can be done a few ways. I really doubt that the new switch would work, let alone the additional switch.
@@LRN2DIY Thank you for the insight! Would you have any idea if the reverse would work? i.e. using the HS210 for a non 3-way switch?
@@wylievc I actually read that this works just fine. If you want a consistent look between your light switches, you can just use this one for both single pole and 3-way light switches. Should work just fine!
Hi Justin, thanks for the great video very informative. I just curious about the other end of the line which is the normal 3 way switch. If you toggle the other 3 way switch (not smart one) would the power of HS210 still available? Because in my case the power was cut if I turned off the normal 3 way switch. It is alright if the normal 3 way switch is in on position but once it is in OFF position there is no power on the smart 3 way switch (H210). Thanks in advance..
That should not happen. Someone did not wire you 3 way right. You have a feeder or live wire 2 travelers and they goto the other 3 way. That one takes the 2 travelers and gets power off of 1 of them based on the other switch. Then you have the load going to the light from the switch. So if you have anything else on there it's wrong. Someone wired mine wrong and I was surprised it worked. Took me hours to identify the wires.
So I only need to install 1 smart switch and the other old swicth can be still use?
That’s right.
@@LRN2DIY thank you, I thought I needed to replace both switches in order for it to work? So thr old switch can still function normally?
Correct. The old one stays, and it works just like before and can be “controlled” by the new one.
@@LRN2DIY sweet! Thank u
So if I have a switch that control two separate lights and a fan..How do I go about that? Which switch would I need?
Also, did it matter which switch you connected it to?
I've found that it actually did matter on some of mine but it's hard to know until you try it. I did several of these in my house (probably 6 sets) and on a couple of them they didn't work so I had to put the smart switch on the other switch and then it worked.
@@LRN2DIY Thank you for replying. That confirms other information I've read about these. From what I've read it needs to be on the one that has the feed from the circuit breaker. After seeing this and taking a look at my switches I'm going to have an electrician install it (and this ensures they get to struggle with the small boxes to squeeze all the wires/nuts in!) I'll check out your other video re:electrical tape on the screws and perhaps suggest that be done on the one I'm having installed. I"m having 5 installed - one is a 3-way while the others are all single-pole.
Great info, well presented. I'm thinking of trying this with a 4-way light switch. Much appreciated.
Good video, very helpful. Subscribed. Thanks!
Do you have to use two 3-way smart switches or can you get by with one?
You definitely only need one. In my house, we only use one 3-way smart switch for each pair and it works great.
@@LRN2DIY if you turn off the non smart switch does everything still work?
@@jmoosic Yes. The smart switch recognizes the state of the light (on or off) regardless of whether it took the action. It's essentially the same exact thing as having two smart switches except that they'll look different.
@@LRN2DIY one last question what about if I have three switches controlling one light...two 3-ways and a 4-way?
@@jmoosic That I'm not sure about. I don't actually have any 4-ways in my setup so I haven't messed with that but I know that they sell 4-way smart light switches. I assume they only need one as well but I can't say for sure.
Thanks for you videos!!! Really helfull in automating my home
What did you mean by putting the electrical tape in those spots? You didn't show that so I'm not sure I understand what you did and where.
Sorry, I didn't explain that too well. I did another video recently that showed the electrical tape wrap so you can see that here: th-cam.com/video/drsaKC6_gYw/w-d-xo.html. The idea is to cover up the screws so that wires don't accidentally touch them. Not everybody likes doing this but it's saved me a lot of trouble a few times.
Installed a few all work great, however the ones I just installed turns the power on but the light just dimly blinks. The switch has power but the light fixture just blinks. Any ideas ?
A couple of things to check. First is the wiring connections. This can be hard to tell without unwiring and rewiring but pull the switch out and tug on the wires. If any of them are loose or come out then that's likely the culprit. While it's unlikely, another thing could be the bulbs themselves. If you think the bulbs in your fixture are on the fritz, you can put them in another fixture to see if they do the same thing. My guess is that one of the connections with the wires is barely in or barely touching so I'd check that first. Good luck!
I had the one 3 way switch installed it all works, the problem i am facing is the when I toggle the traditional switch the smart switch is not functional, i had to toggle back the traditional switch to make the smart switch work, am I doing anything wrong?
The only thing I can suggest is to try connecting the smart switch to the other one and see if that works.
Would it be possible to dIm the lights using the App. ??
If you install a dimmable smart switch, then yes. I later installed a dimmable switch on my dining lights and pendant lights and they're really nice. You can even use your smart home control to say "Alexa (or whichever you use), set the dining lights to 50%", which is pretty handy.
Are the lights dimmable?
Emilio Matt This particular kit is not but you can buy dimmable smart switches.
@@LRN2DIY From Kasa? I haven't seen those - got a link?
how do you know which one of the 2 switches is the master unit?
I wasn't really certain if there was a way to tell. I had a couple of instances where I tried it on one and it didn't work at all and then I tried the other and it worked. Not sure if someone else has any insight on this one.
There is an easy way to tell if you have a voltmeter. See this vid th-cam.com/video/Xp4FWJRzHdo/w-d-xo.html
Not holding you to an answer since I realize you are not an electrician and a DIY guy but do you know if this install works with a 4 way? My husband and I both love to DIY and work in IT as well like you. We didn’t even realize until we popped off the plates that we were dealing with a 4 way because one switch we weren’t even aware existed after living in this house twenty years lol 🤷♀️
I looked on amazon in q&a comments for this switch and ppl said it worked for them on 4 way and they just installed one smart switch and left other two switches alone. I would just think the switch in the middle of the other two (since the other two look like 3 way and only the one in middle has two red wires looks like 4 way) would be the one that controls the load and therefore the one you have to replace? Thanks.
Okay we figured out a work around for anyone struggling with 4 way switch (3 switches controlling 1 light). Husband and wife computer programmers never surrender! We found it works best installing on the first switch going to the box (line) as the last switch going to the light (load) had more delay. We read not to try this on the 4 way switch on the middle of those two three ways so we didn’t. For us the 3 ways had two blacks and one red. The 4 way had two reds. We tested the wires with voltage detector to make sure we were picking up the right wire to connect to line but it was in a black screw and the other black went to a copper like the red so those are both considered travelers in this situation. After you install and control the lights in the app it doesn’t work on a 4 way like our traditional 3 way installations which work as his here. In the Kasa app for the 3 ways the green light indicates the light is on. In the 4 way set up it indicates it’s working on the request basically. Do not click again until that green light goes out or you will blow apps mind and get it out of sync (only on unsupported 4 way mind you works perfectly in 3 way). Okay so now we use the built in hub in our Alexa Echo Show 2.0 and voice control our devices on that and several 3rd gen dots. On the 3 way that works great. On a 4 way using the Show 2 as hub you have to say “alexa, turn the light switch on” every time whether you want to turn it on or off. Asking her to turn it on and off as you logically would doesn’t work right. Or we have the whole thing wrong but I’m guessing it’s code that’s not working correctly on the show’s hub. I was ready to box it up and send it back and try to talk him into spending $100 on 3 GE switches to hopefully work better but my husband said “wait, just say on every time” my programmer brain was with him as I know it’s just a toggle either way 🤦♀️ guess we will stick with this and just say on every time lol.
What about the other light switch?
is there one that allows for dimming?
Great question, Micah. Here's one by Leviton that is really well rated and has a nice low profile dimmer built in. I'll add this link into the description. amzn.to/2Vi47JI
Does a dimmer on a 3 way switch install differently than a regular switch?
@@LRN2DIY could you mix and match three ways from that line? Eg. A 3 way dinner paired with a 3 way regular switch. I can't see a reason why, but I'm not very familiar with home electrical.
If you mean putting different switch types in the same box then yes. Dimmers, smart or dumb, old or new but it typically means that they’ll look different from the outside.
@@LRN2DIY the ones installed in house already has a dimmer at one end, but just a regular dumb 3 way at other end, if I left the dumb 3 way then installed the new smart dimmer in place of dumb one, we should be golden.
Sorry I don't get it... Is the switch on the other side a smart switch as well? Is it a 3 way smart switch? Is it a normal switch?
The other side is a standard 3-way switch, not a smart switch. You only need one smart 3-way switch per light and you should be able to leave the other corresponding switch (not smart) just as it is.
Thanks for the reply.
What if I want to have a 4 way switch (4 switches, one set light) does it still work the same way?
Also, I live in Thailand and we use 220V electricity. Been trying to find 3 way smart switch that operates on 220 but no luck yet. Any suggestions?
@@atiwitwichi I haven't tried a 4-way switch yet and I haven't seen which switches work on 220v so I'm afraid I'm not much help there. Sorry about that!
@@LRN2DIY Thanks anyway. Keep up the good work on the videos!
How do you know which is the master switch of the 3 way lighting?
It can be really tough to tell. You can take one switch out and test it out with the new switch and you've got a 50/50 chance or you can study up on how to identify the master. I found this thread helpful (www.diychatroom.com/f18/two-3-way-switches-one-acting-master-switch-135283/) but honestly every house can be so different that it's still tough to give one method of identifying your setup.
This video will help th-cam.com/video/Xp4FWJRzHdo/w-d-xo.html
I have two black live wires on my Kasa switch but only one black live wire in my wall. What should I do with the extra black wire from the Kasa switch? It's 3 wires in total that comes from my wall (the copper ground wire, a single black wire, and a single white wire,) I do not have a bunch of wires bundled up in my wall. I only have the 3 wires in the wall, black, copper, and white. But 4 wires on the Kasa switch 2 black live wires, 1 green for copper, and 1 white for neutral. When I tried connecting both live wires from the Kasa switch, to the one single black wire coming from the wall, it does not work. My light comes on very dim and it's NOT a dimming light. And, the Kasa switch makes a clicking sound that won't stop when I try to reset it. The same thing happens when I leave the extra black wire hanging from the Kasa switch. Do I tie connect the extra black live wire from the Kasa switch to another wire from the wall like, to the ground or, the white wire? Or, maybe the black and white wires in the wall are both live wires and I don't have a neutral 🤔. I hope that ain't the case. Please help me.
Best one out there good explanation!
I just got an Amazon Alexa dot I am going to start slowly upgrading stuff to make my home a smart home
Great video Sir. Thank you.
Is there such a thing as a dimmer on a smart three way.
Yes. MartinJerry make them, as do other manufacturers. Not sure if TPLink make them. I just found this video and asked a question above about whether these other manufacturers switch sets can be broken up to power two different circuits.
can i use the second switch for a different circuit?
carlos manzano You can, yes.
Would you please teache me how to install the four way smart wifi from TP-LINK
Thanks
What happens if someone flips off the dumb switch?
I need it the other way around. lol
Does it worl on 4 way