Best Coilovers & Shocks for Your Honda (Koni / Ground Control 1989 Honda Civic EF Sedan)
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In my opinion this is the best suspension setup that you could get for your car. I've owned a variety of different setups in the past but this has been the one that I prefer over all of the others I have tried. I believe it's perfect for a daily driver with a softer spring rate, but the shocks also perform very well with a stiffer spring if you decide to track your car. I'm currently using these same shocks but with 550lb rate springs on my track car and have been since March 2015 with no issues. If you can afford them, I guarantee you will no be disappointed! Enjoy the video!
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I've been rocking the Koni Yellow/Ground Control setup on my DA for at least 10 years. Such a great setup. Probably the best "bang for your buck" suspension setups you can get.
Everytime I get busy or get in a funk. I watch your videos new or old gets me going again on my crx! Thanks
Hell yeah man, love to hear it!
@@GarageBuiltHondas Hey man can you help me. I want to take off my coilovers from my shuttle and don't know what oem shocks to use. Can I use civic 2000 shocks or which can I use?
Love that ride height! Looks perfect and bet it feels a million time better.
The Ground Control/Koni set up is a great combination. I love the adjustment too.
I feel the same way. Such a great setup!
Like yourself, I’ve used MANY different suspension set-ups on my CRX’s. I am currently using my favorite of them all:
Koni Yellow’s (Race Version) w/Ground Control coils 600 lbs front / 800 lbs rear. Been on my car since 2013, seen track days & auto cross with absolutely No issues! Another brand suspension I would love ❤️ to try someday are Fortune Auto’s!!😎
I feel the same way. I've had the yellows on my track car since 2015 and never an issue! Those Fortune Autos are what I'd like to try next also!
What would you recommend for a CRX driving for NO track driving ?
Bas van Will for the street (no “spirited” driving) I would run something like Tein street basis. They’re inexpensive & pretty soft so they feel good on shitty public roads.
@@crxk20r59 cool, thanks
Bas van Will ohh yeah keep in mind with the Tein street basis coil over kit, u will need to remove some stock parts from your oem suspension to transfer over to the Tein’s...Good Luck!
I have koni oranges on my 8th gen si paired with eibach pro springs and it handles better than oem. 👌👌
How's the drop? I'm considering this setup.
I don't know why it took me this long to get to the handling portion of GBH's bible on how to. Probobly the money and lack of time since it's winter on the right coast. Thanks again my dude! Another job well done, I feel like I owe you a pizza and a 6 pack by now.
Happy New Year and best of luck in whatever you are doing now!
Appreciate that man!
Canada here...nice choice...tack weld shock top...happy racing lads! One love
Nice! I installed this same set up on my crx a month ago but i didnt use the cups that came with the konis.. the sleeves are sitting on that clip you moved down but my sleeves are diffrent from those you intalled. Great content bro, keep em comin!
Nice, you and I have the GC sleeves that were made for the Konis. He utilized the cups because I kept my sleeves but sold him the springs and the generic sleeves.
@@GarageBuiltHondas wait so i have gc dose that mean i dont have to use to cups? cause i put them on
It just depends on the perches that come with your coilovers.
You don't want the shock to come out fast lol. Slow rebound is what u want. It keeps the spring from shooting up
For the spinning bolt...try staking it all around with a punch, right at the seam between hat and bolt. It's what we do on motorcycles to keep bearing collars in place.
Love it, I'll try it!
Very clean. Awesome content as usual. Much respect to you and your channel for us Honda boys.
Thanks homie!
at 8:39 you have to ask yourself... "How adjustable is this sleeve really for my application" :P
Got this for $220 it’s going on my 91 TGP SI
I have koni race valved yellows with gc and they work great. People talk shit and call them junk but thry handle up to 1k valving. I run 750 front and 850 rears. Feels good.
Did you have them re-valved? I thought about going with a different setup after this year, but not sure what direction I want to go in yet.
The studs for the top hats are pressed in, they're spinning because the splines are stripped, which also means the top hat is effectively only being held in with one bolt.
Yup, sucks!
Koni yellows and ground controls m best bang for buck. This has been the way since the fast and furious days
The best cars are the purpose built ones! Loving the suspension setup,if you dont mind what coilover sleeves are those looking into gettin sum for da bout to do the shocks and was planning on lowering it a bit just to get rid of wheel gap and feel a little more planted on them tight corners!! Always fire content! Keep doing your thing Jon! I definitely respect the grind homie!👊✌
Ground Controls made by Eibach
Garage Built Hondas oh for sure didn't notice you had put it the title my bad! On another note,is it left to remove the crankshaft pulley bolt on my b-18a1 cause im going to tackle it (waterpump-timing belt)tomorrow and for the life of me i cant remember. i got the manual but it don't say if it's left or right! Your imput would appreciated! Thank$ sorry for the stupid ?👊✌
You're correct in your guess! 👍🙏
Garage Built Hondas 👌👊✌🙏 much Appreciated!
Another awesome ef video!! Keep up the great work.
Thanks!
Always been wondered why the hack there is NO dusters in the kit? This is the main reason why konis with gc start to leaking that fast.
Agree
@@GarageBuiltHondas you didnt use any dust boot?
No
The drop looks clean and even.
It's a nice stance, and rides well too.
That's a nice little track build. With that suspension components it must turn on a dime nice and flat!
It felt like poo before, but it felt nice and tight after.
Exhaust sounds great at the end
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Had those on my end and love how they ride
I’ve had those type of extended top hats and had the same issue
What a pain. I've been lucky. I've used a bunch and still using 3 sets and luckily no issues.
Have these koni on my 96 ek and the ride quite good..btw i remembered the fans on your radiator, haven't you considered putting the fans on the front then reversing their connection to the socket. So instead of sucking air, they will be then blowing air into the radiator. Of course you can ditch the fan shroud
Yes, I might do that, but no need for now. I like how it attaches to the stock fan.
Excellent work again my friend. Go VW!
Thanks!!
Picked up all 4 new Koni yellow shocks on my local classifieds page for $180 cant wait to pair these up with the ground controls and throw them on.
That's a good price. I guarantee you'll love the way they feel.
Garage Built Hondas I hear a lot of good things about this set up so thought I’d try it out. Had skunk2 coils on my crx but they were too stiff.
You'll have to let me know what you think when you get them on.
Garage Built Hondas will do bro!
Garage Built Hondas where do you buy your set of gc coils? I was looking on eBay but in the description of the item it said “fits tokiko blue”. Am I suppose to find a set that specifically fits Koni yellows?
See Jon i told you the Yanaka's sounded really good. I shot them a follow up email about when they might be releasing their 2.5" catback for the crx and they said the 23rd of this month. Teh guy a talked with said they should be in the 299-349 price range. I told him as soon as its on the site im ordering one because the one i got of ebay for my car to pass inspection quite honestly sound that complete shite.
It sounds clean!! I installed my old eBay exhaust on the old track car and it sounds so damn clean. Never again will I find one I bet.
I know I looked for a while for the one that you had on your ef but to no avail and ended up getting this as i knew it was just going to be a temporary one till Yonaka released their crx exhaust but damn it sounds horrible
www.ebay.com/itm/4-5-MUFFLER-TIP-STAINLESS-STEEL-EXHAUST-CATBACK-SYSTEM-FOR-88-91-HONDA-CR-X-3DR/151088097734?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
That one is 2.5". Mine is a 2.25". That might have something to do with the way it sounds.
That could be also i just knew that i wanted a full 2.5" exhaust from the header back. I honestly think it has more to do with what they're calling a muffler.
Agree!
Try hitting that stuck top-hat nut with a good impact wrench after spraying some penetrating (heehee) oil. It might break free even with the bolt spinning like that.
Good idea!
Good video man!
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Are those stock bumpstops? Trying to find a set of them for my hatch, and I'm runing Koni's too! Any links would be helpful :D
yea I like it to its a driver and a track car just a fun cool little ride 😀
Nice ride! Looks rough but choice parts where it counts. Clean build.
I feel the same, it's a great start for a track car like my old one was!
My car is a daily driver...no track. Any one have input on spring rates on a 1998 Honda Prelude?
Are you lowering it?
I love that car. Sounds good too!!
Yonaka seems to make a nice exhaust!
I have those same wheels on my 89 sedan. what tires are you running?
Cool Monotech did my wiring too lol.
Nice, that harness looks nice
I've used duct tape around the shock w rubber rings lol .. 😂
Hey, that works! Duct tape will probably last longer too!
I just picked up a 96 Integra sedan and the suspension is gonna be the first thing i work on. A lot of people have different opinions on what works the best and I am getting a bit lost in all the chatter and opinions. what would you suggest for a daily driver non track car that will be opened up on back roads? I'm shooting for a horsepower goal of 300.
KTuned coils. Heard nothing but good things about them. I've been a big fan of the Function Forms also.
What's better? To put the parts together like in this video, or to buy the Koni Ground Control coil over? Or is it basically the same thing?
Basically the same thing. Just shop around and find the best prices.
It’s been a while (5 years) since I’ve done the suspension on my 91. Do you remember if the Tein springs needed to be compressed to uninstall?
I don't recall.
Hey man can you help me. I want to take off my coilovers from my shuttle and don't know what oem shocks to use. Can I use civic 2000 shocks or which can I use?
Hi Jon. I'm a big fan of yours and I was wandering if I can bring my teggy there in el Paso maybe you can help me with my suspension
Sure! Where are you from?
Garage Built Hondas I'm from Dallas your videos are really helpful just like static. You guys are awesome
Really appreciate that, and he does make some excellent cars! I'm in El Paso, might be a little far for just suspension work.
Garage Built Hondas its ok I can make the trip there if you can give me a hand on my teggy I really wanna swap a b20 on my teggy its just hard to find an honest shop here in dallas
Its cool Jon I'm still saving some dough for this project anyways but I figured I reach out to you if you can help me with my dc2
Nice video! See you're from Texas, are you related to Larry Widmer (ENDYN)?
Thank you, I wish!
Btw, I think I've seen you out and about. I'm also here in El Paso. Be cool to meet up. !
Nice! Do you drive an Integra as mentioned in your other comment?
Clean!
Nice video 👍
Thanks dude!
Swapping out my stock EM1 suspension for Koni Yellow + GC with 440F/380R rates for autocross/daily driver. Just got the final parts today. Any thoughts on the purpose of the metal sleeve that sits inside the bushings in the top hat? I bought china extended top hats and they came with hard plastic bushings that don't fit over the Koni sleeve, but fit fine over the bare shaft. Wondering if I'm better off drilling out the bushing or running them without the sleeve...
Thanks for the great (and timely) video!
Use the sleeve for sure. The OEM sleeve he had on his old shocks didn't fit the Koni's. I used the new supplied one. I wouldn't use those weird bushing the top hats come with. I'd suggest getting the energy suspension ones or just OEM if that's all you have currently. The Koni sleeve fit a little tight into the ES bushings but it wasn't a difficult fit at all.
Garage Built Hondas thanks for the insight. I'm really curious how well those hard "bushings" I have would work, but I don't want to go for multiple alignments just to satisfy my curiosity. I will probably break down and buy the ES bushings, just goes against my nature as a cheapskate and desire to experiment.
Try it! I just felt like there's no deflection on those solid bushins but maybe that would be even better?
👍 just in time for my (420)smoke break lol...definitely a great suspension set up for the 💰👌 ....I wish u we’re in Cali so I can take u my Dc2 😭need a trusted mechanic
Come thru fam
Did you ever have any issues with the skunk2 sleeves over the koni shock?
Depends on the mount. Not sure if the Skunk2 fit the Koni shock.
For some reason these Koni Yellow rear shock fork is too narrow to fit around the shock bushing of the reengineered Skunk2 lcas. It fits their previous version of lcas but not the new ones so now Im buying a set of coils lol
Interesting, but kinda lame too. Do you drive an EK?
@@GarageBuiltHondas no I drive an eg but I just found out that the previous owner used 1213SPORT which is for ek but still fits the eg. It's supposed to be 1310SPORT which has a physically wider fork to fit the wider bushing. Found all this out after I shaved my delrin bushing down smh 🤦
Lol
Make more wago videos do the 2in pipin and intake
Might make a walk around video...
..right before I sell it! 😨
Hey what is the name of that threaded sleeve that the spring sits on?
Where can we get the washers you are talking about at 4:40
Did you ever sell your sedan? I dream about that car on the reg.
I got a payment on it. Waiting for the rest. Looks like it's gone though!
Garage Built Hondas damn. Well I hope whoever got it, knows what a well built machine it is. You should build another one and sell it to me. Lol. Just a thought.
Lol, no more space or time for another build. Trying to have only 3 that I can concentrate on!
Good work like always?
I guess?! Lol
What suspension setup u recommend for daily/street/maybe track use for eg del sol? I’m planning on running a 15x7 Advanti storm s1 with 205 50 tire.
THIS👆
Just a quick question, did you reuse the oem Brake Line Bracket that attaches to the bottom of the strut and sits above/on the fork? If not, what did you do (if anything) to secure the brake line. I didnt see that mentioned and was curious.
We zip tied it to the shock since there is no provision for it unfortunately. On my 90 Si the stainless brake lines I used were shorter so it doesn't wrap around the shock and it is attached only to the fork but is perfect length. I wish I knew why these were shorter.
Do I need helper springs?
No
Only good for looks track performance is terrible the shock fully lifts off the springs in hard corners and lets the car raise up with body roll. get full body coilovers much better performance keeps the car planted.
I disagree, I haven't had one issue and they feel excellent. th-cam.com/video/gp4K6qbNrbM/w-d-xo.html
What would your budget street setup suggestion be
I don't really think anyone should buy a budget setup. It's one of the most important mods in terms of functionality and aesthetics. I suggest saving up and getting what you really want for your preferred setup (daily/track/weekend car).
@@GarageBuiltHondas Following on from the above. Would you suggest this set up in the video, over Coilovers such as the MeisterR Zetas? I priced up the Koni Yellows and springs and the price difference between the two isn't that much. I've got a '91 Sedan which I just want to daily. No track use but I want it to be functionally low.
Thanks for all the content you put out, absolutely invaluable!
The Koni's are excellent shocks. I haven't used a ton of setups but it's by far the best I have used. For a daily you'll love them, pair them with some nice coils/springs that aren't too stiff and you'll have a really nice ride.
@@GarageBuiltHondas Thanks man. Appreciate the reply and all the videos you put up. You've helped me learn so much already and I've barely started. Gunna grab some decals to rep you over here in England!
Awesome! 💓
I heard that combo is good for decent DD comfort.? I'm looking for something that has some comfort but performs good. The Tein's I have on my prelude are a little harsh.
These shocks are amazing. Paired with a not too stiff coil setup and you'll be good.
How about coil overs for a BA5 Prelude? I want to go stanced
I'm not sure, that's not my thing so I don't have any experience with it. You'll want to see which let you ride really low.
hi John Im doing Dpfi to Mpfi convers I heave ECU P06 is not PM6 I don’t no is obd0 or Obd1 and I ned distributor adapter distributor to cen you sugest which ecu and distributor .
Which obd are you going with?
Where might you find the coil overs? I don't see them listed on the eibach site..
groundcontrolstore.com/
Where did you get the springs and the coil sleeve? Do you have a link? When I look it up it shows a different kit
Link me the kit you looked up?
Was the spring in the sleeve a little loose or it was completely tight?
Diameter or length?
@@GarageBuiltHondas diameter
It has some wiggle room.
@@GarageBuiltHondas thanks
How close can this setup get to OEM height? Can you raise above OEM height?
No idea, sorry.
Quick q.. does the smaller ground control sleeve go in the rear? Or the front?
Front
So the ground controls would be a good match for street also?
Yes, just get a softer set, maybe even the off the shelf rates they suggest.
Just got a 1990 civic dx hatch. This will fit for the trim right? The link for the front shocks is not available anymore btw
Yes. Must not exist any longer. Search and you will find them.
What top hats do you guys use??
Hey I would like to run this setup with some helper springs so the main springs don’t come off tension at full droop. Will a 3 inch helper fill the space or do I need a longer one?
Thanks for the awesome content!
Those will be fine because you can always adjust the c clip to raise or lower the coil perches and fine tune it to your liking.
Right. Thanks for answering Jon, I really love your channel.
So on your track car when it’s jacked up with the tires off of the ground the spring comes down off of the top hat less than 3 inches?
I don't remember, but remember you can adjust the c clip and raise the perch on these shocks. Is this for your track car?
Yes I understand, but moving the perch up will raise your ride height. It’s my CRX which is built for track/ mountain roads.
I don't know then. Have you checked your suspension and measured it? It looks to be around 3" from the other video but I've never measured it. I haven't touched my suspension since I did that work a few months back.
Tack weld the stud. Impact it out
If he needs to remove it that'd work. For now just gonna leave it as we won't be touching it anytime soon.
should the rear spring rate be higher than the front spring rate or the other way around? It seems like everyone does their own thing there.
Usually stiffer in the front. But depends on driver and car setup. I have the same rates front and rear on my car.
@@GarageBuiltHondas Hey man thanks for the quick reply. Basicly im just a newbie getting into this whole thing and i got myself an ef hatch. I wanted to upgrade the suspension now. Is there a place where i can get more detailed information on this topic. For example what the reason behind putting in stiffer springs in front is.
Try hondatech.com. There's a lot of info still there. You'll just have to weed through it.
I'm thinking to get a Honda Civic ef sedan year 88 - 91 manual transmission as my first project car. Where do you recommend to find or to search for?
Everywhere. Facebook, Craigslist, letgo, Offerup. You'll see them sporadically on different sites.
Garage Built Hondas thanks man!
Hate to be the debbie downer but I am really skeptical about those coil sleeves being from Ground Control. If they were, you would not use that silver cup piece because they would rest on the little clip that goes into the grooves on the shock body. Those springs look like the ones used by GC since they are made by Eibach. Plus GC sleeves use a hex bolt to tighten the collar that the spring rests on. I am just saying this because I don't know how other sleeves hold up, especially if they are from random eBay sellers.
You're correct and perceptive. The coil perches and sleeves are generic, hence why we are using the cups. The coils themselves are the GC's made by Eibach. These used to be my old springs but I have upgraded to 550 rates. I'm still using my Koni's with the original GC sleeves/perches. We had to use the cups because it was cheaper to find a generic set of eBay sleeves/perches. Good eye man! *I forgot to add the eBay sleeves/perches are great. I've used many in the past with no issues. They are a great solution for picking out some custom rate springs.*
Garage Built Hondas it was really difficult for me to find a front set of GC sleeves since I already had rears so I almost did this. I ended up finding some GC sleeves and buying used springs. I love this setup. I have 450 all around.
I don't know if they sell the sleeves separately. I'm sure they might be we never checked and since he was buying my old coilover setup I had those sleeves lying around and threw them in for him. I still think buying a $35ish coilover set off eBay just for the sleeves might be cheaper than the GC/Eibach ones. Lol
Man if you're willing to spend those bucks on a car like that, I feel compelled to get Koni sports for my Alfa 156 sportwagon.
Yup. Solid suspension parts equal a fun car to drive regardless of looks.
@@GarageBuiltHondas Yeah sorry man don't mean anything by the looks. I mean more the value of the car vs how much those shocks are.
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What do you think of progress CS2s?
I've never used them but I've heard nothing but good things about them.
@@GarageBuiltHondas cool, yeah i see those and this setup pop up a lot as the go to. Decisions decisions...
Those are slightly less expensive
@@GarageBuiltHondas Yeah, they look quality. If i do go that route, ill let you know what i think. Their large variety of spring rates is attractive.
Agree! I'd love to try a set one day so I could compare to the Koni's because the Koni's have the best ride I've experience in an EF.
Did you have to compress the springs onto the struts?
No
Hello , I just recently moved to Lewisville Tx. And I don’t know about any Honda car shows or car meets. Do anybody know anything in or around Lewisville ?
Sorry Nelson I don't. That's not close to me at all. I'm way out in West Texas.
Garage Built Hondas
Oh ok. I have a 93 Civic 4 door and I’m doing some work to it.
Nice!
Would there be any issues running the koni/ground control combo with 15x7+35 wheels 205/50 tires on a 91 civ si?
No
how did that go for you?
For who? And what do you mean?
@@GarageBuiltHondas sorry wasn't really specific i was wondering how justin set up went if he ever tried those 15x7 with 35+ offset cause i my self have a 15x7 but mine are 25+ offset and my tires rub but i am on stock suspension
Think these would be good for integral?
For any Honda they are great. Probably one of the best shocks out here.
What tophat is on the car? I currently have coilovers and am looking to switch over to the Koni/GC setup but don’t have any tophats on the car...
amzn.to/3ay3mmk
Garage Built Hondas thank you!!! And then just replace bushings with ES I assume
You'll have to shave down the ES bushings but yes, that's what I like to use. amzn.to/2yxzA3L
Have d2s on my da9 thinkin of buyins some for the ef hatch
How do those ride?
Honestly like crap
Have to set the dampining all the way hard
But good after that
I've never been in a car with them. It's probably the sacrifice for being super low.
Have you got the part number for the shocks for an ek civic?
I don't, sorry. Google it, it should come up real easy. TH Motorsports always keeps them in stock too.
Do you think 380/300 spring rates good for dd / track ?
Probably too soft for the track, but should be really comfortable on the street.
What’s a good spring rate for an ek civic coupe?? Thinking of going Koni yellows w/ ground control
350/250
@@GarageBuiltHondas Awesome! Cant wait to track with this setup, went with the maxspeedingrods from one of the videos you've posted, but now im looking at something a bit more substantial! THANKS!
You might want a little stiffer if you're tracking it then.
@@GarageBuiltHondas what’s a good spring rate for track then?
I run 500 all on my track car. I'm not sure how Ek's feel but maybe at least a 450/400 or around there.
I thought you bought another ef sedan again after selling your other one lol
Haha, I can't afford another car! Trying to downsize as is!!
Civics are red
Sileighties are blue
But the panda trueno
Has beaten them two
Wtf, lol
xD just a poem for fun also very noice car and vid
Even though i have a honda, I still
And a rx7 sent them all three to heaven.
Would you say that this is better than Form Function?
Or raceland
Easily better than both. There really isn't any comparison. These shocks can be rebuilt and are dampening adjustable.
Quick question for u. On my integra, the driver side axle has play at where it meets the half shaft. Is that normal
Does it drive fine?
Garage Built Hondas it has a vibration at exactly 35 mph. Nothing before that 35 mph and nothing after.
Wade 1 theres a c-clip around the splines on the axel that helps keep the axel in the half shaft. Might want to look into that
mark0shark0 I’ll take a look tomorrow. Thanks bro
Wade 1 take a look at the bearing on the half shaft too, might be the problem
What would you use on a 91 prelude si?
Anything of nicer quality. Just stay away from the eBay junk.
How do you get the springs and the sleeve?
You can buy them directly from Ground Control or many other websites including ebay I believe.
What would you prefer skunk2 pro s2 or koni/ground setup ?
For?
Ed hatch
EF*
Lol. "For" what purpose?
Oh my bad lol . Daily driven and some fun corners every now & then
I'm interested, what is the price of this set?
I believe close to $550 if I remember correctly.
@@GarageBuiltHondas thanks will definitely buy it. Hope there is a seller in the Netherlands ...
Where can I find the lockring tool?
In not sure which tool you mean. I can't remember. Remind me which part?
The tool used to adjust the height?
It comes with coilovers when your buy some.
Best coilovers money can buy for Hondas is.......BC RS Racing.
I've never used em. Good for daily also?
The best for everything. You can choose the rate of springs too. I have 10kg frond 8 kg rear in Eg sedan extra weight rear because the LPG tank.many potholes in Greece and my tyres are 215/40r17 no problems .
For a track car get solid mounts.
👍 they are, he has the Innovative 75A durometer urethane
I know for sbc motors you can get solid steel mounts. I use urethane mounts on my car's as well. As they see street use.
That's gotta feel crazy, I bet it rattles like crazy using a solid steel mount. I like the urethane ones!