I own three Caniks and I love them, that being said, I had my first problem with my TP9 Elite SC when I was practicing different drills at the range, my Elite SC would go out of battery and wouldn't fire. I tried different ammo and the same thing was happening. I called Canik and I have to say that the customer service was excellent. They asked what grain bullet I was using and I told them mostly 115 grain, they said that the recoil spring was too strong for that grain if I didn't shoot the gun often. They said they would send me a lighter recoil spring and I would be back in business, but in the meantime, keep the slide open to break in that recoil spring, or just start running a heavier grain bullet to break it in. Bottom Line, Excellent Guns, Excellent Customer Service!
Booyah, and that's what I love hearing. We do try to get most folks to get the 124grain when they are picking up ammo. I hope we get a good resolution then I'll post.
Brand new gun doesn’t shoot! Just buy special ammo and leave it in an unusable state for a while maybe it will heal itself. Canik sucks as hard as Budsguns!
Canik lists in some manuals that their firearm are design for 124 gr NATO loads. I ran one mag of 124 gr non-NATO and then tried 115 gr and both worked without issues. Some Canik firearms may require breaking in before the 115 gr ammo will cycle properly. Canik no longer supplies the lighter recoil springs for free. They invited me to buy one. They said it has been a long time since they offered the lighter recoil springs for free to resolve cycling issues.
I have three canik Tp9 sc, Rival darkside and TP9 SFX. All three guns works perfectly. No issues. It might be the gin owner who not operating correctly.
Got a Canik Rival-S and immediately had issues (videos are on my channel). Requested a shipping label and it took customer service a week, after several requests, to send me one by email. The gun is now at Century arms for warranty service. Many other people are having the same issues with the steel frame Rivals, but no one is posting videos about their issues.
Totally different experience here. I only asked Canik’s support if they knew of a good tool to remove the slide lock pin on an Elite SC which is notoriously hard to remove. They treated me like crap and couldn’t tell me which tool would work and didn’t offer to remove the pin. I had an issue with a Glock where a screw broke in the MOS in the slide and Glock fixed it for me for free, almost no questions asked.
I had a totally different experience with Canik than you. I had a issue and they sent me parts free of charge 3 times. After the 3rd time when the gun still didn't work right they offered to replace it. I did ask them to do that but not only did they do that they gave me their newest model the Rival right when it came out. I received one before the dealers in my area. I couldn't ask for better customer service and I have dealt with S&W, Glock, Tarus and have a a good experience with all of them. A lot of times it comes down to how you talk to the people. Not saying that was a issue with you but I've been on both sides of that coin so I know. Better luck to you in the future .
We have had some other people who have had major issues but none of us have and only one of our customers had a feed issue. I wonder if it was just one run of the guns? Maybe?
Hey, you were the one I was referencing in the video. Yes, we could have gotten the plate off with the pusher, milled down the bottom of it and replaced it. Why would I take a brand new customer's gun, mill the plate and void a warranty? Why? That would just be plain stupid. Not being able to mount a $325 sight easily and properly for a customer that spent $1,000 on the entire setup is a major problem for that customer and one that I'm anxious to see if Canik will fix. Now, click bait is boobs, cleavage and twirking for normal people. How was it click bait exactly?
bro I couldn't have said it better myself... I wish they would have followed up immediately with, "So you know why I chose to post this video AFTER being a Canik dealer and proud owner for all these years? Because it took THIS long for us to run into a problem where we actually had to get an RMA for service and subsequent call-tag for one of these firearms. That in itself should say enough about this manufacturer of arms. With a quality control team such as theirs we are certain that they will have this done and repaired or replaced super fast, and if ya don't hear from us, good news, all is well. If they give us problems, we'll be sure to update yall with another video with updates. We just want to be transparent with yall so that we can keep our level of trust with the public, as well as our own accountability. Not EVERYthing is perfect with these guys, but after all these years, they get damn close!!" But instead, they go on and on and on about how questionable they are on how long it's going to take them to respond to the service request. I'm so tired of these people that take full advantage of all of these endorsements they get for their half a$$ed, most-of-the-time, biased a$$ed reviews, half not looking out for us, and the other half not looking out properly to whom they're supposed to represent. I hope these guys get free stuff from Canik and get sued for posting something like this. I'm officially unsubscribed from these idiots for good. Not just here either. I'm tired of it everywhere. If I think you're too selfish or petty with your "brand," that WE give you, solely from us and our wasted time on your "CLICK BAIT" videos... no more. And I suggest yall do the same thing. Did you guys see any guns out of display in this store? I struggled to find one. Maybe there's one or two back there somewhere other than on their hips. If that's the case, there's a reason. It means they're not as high volume as a manufacturer requires a dealer to be, for said dealer to make certain that each current model is on display in the case. Up front. If there were guns on display for sale they would've been in the background of the video. There weren't any because they're not worth the time to the manufacturer's sales people to make sure inventory is kept at the highest of levels, not only for sales, but obv for display. A "Gun Store" that has no guns on display, is not a gun store worth buying from unless he's a private gun dealer selling at wholesale prices, which is extremely rare and in a lot of cases, states, and provinces is illegal. Sorry this is so long. I'm just really tired of all of these fake a$$ youtube "brands" thinking their worth our time. I can't wait till all the GOOD YT shows get bought up and put on TH-cam TV so that we can have a new cable company to rob us all blind for the next quarter century. Yay! I think I need to go to bed. Too much internet for one night.
I bought an MC9 and went directly to the firing line. I did have a few battery issues and the mags didn't always drop freely. Came home second guessing my purchase. Not being one who gives up easy, (my wife calls it stubborness), I spent some time on you tube and did some close examinations of the gun. I repaired/fine tuned my MC9 and now it shoots and functions perfectly and I didn't have to buy or replace any parts. Very pleased with the performance now.
For the battery issue I sanded the top of the polymer slide rail so they were even with the steel guides. That works perfectly now. The mag drop problem was pretty easy to fix also. I spent a lot of time examining what could be the cause. I discovered that the travel on the mag release button wasn't far enough to keep the mag catch from causing friction on the magazine case. I removed the slide and used a small grinding stone in my dremmel on slow speed and ground the tip of the mag catch a little at a time. I stopped frequently to check function and it didn't take long to have every mag drop freely. I have been back to the range and have had zero problems. I never spent a dime and didn't have to send it back to Canik.
I just sent in my Canik Mete SFX on January 31. The trigger developed an early wall (where take up is normal) , followed by an audible click, skip, the the regular wall before breaking cleanly as Canik is best known for. It makes me throw my shots terribly. I actually have video of it to demonstrate to the Canik service person. They accepted my claim and It is there now. My first Canik was purchased in 2020, the TP9 Elite, so I am familiar with the proper feel of the trigger. My first experience sending something in for service.
@@SecurityAllStar My Canik returned today. Shipped out on 1/31 and back safe and sound on 2/23! The gunsmith confirmed the problem and installed a new trigger and trigger bar. In addition there are listed a dozen service checks performed. I am happy and the trigger seems back to normal per my inspection. I hope to confirm at the range with live fire ASAP.
Bad customer service from Canik. Bought a SFT Mete on September 3,2022. Was going to buy Glock 17 but Canik offered a rebate for 3 free magazines with purchase. Sent in all necessary rebate paperwork for 6 to 8 week delivery time. After 10 weeks called rebate center and they said bla bla bla excuse and would take another 6 to 8 weeks. Called again after waiting 10 weeks and they said offer had expired to call customer service. To make a long story short no magazines have been received to date. Has anyone else been scammed by Canik? Please let me know 5:28
Had one problem with my Elite SC a couple of years ago with a magazine out of the box. Called them/emailed them and they got it straightened out right away. It took a couple of weeks, if I remember correctly, due to holidays? No big deal and kept rocking and rolling.
@@SecurityAllStar same here. One of the groups I'm has "tons" of complaints, but I have to remember that forums and groups are always more about the bad than the good these days.
I bought a Canik Rival S...shot about 500 rounds through it....one day was taking it out of the box, the slide release on the right side FELL OFF. Currently, it is at the warehouse being worked on. My buddies and I joked that it was probably built on a Monday morning or a Friday afternoon. But seriously, time will tell.
@@SecurityAllStar I recently received my pistol back. Interestingly, I had commented to Juan at Canik how I wished I had bought the Dark version instead of the shiny silver. When I got my pistol returned, it was a brand new Canik Rival S Dark instead of the silver one I had sent in for repair.
I had a broken firing pin on my tp9sf elite and my tp9s V2 and resetting issues at the same time. I got ahold of canik or century Arms and they sent shipping label and it was done three weeks later.
Own 3 Canik Elite Combat. All 3 hv failure to feed and Click no bang. My friends at the gun club have the same same issue with the SFX Mete. This issue rampant with Canik pistols. HIGHLY UNRELIABLE.
Wow, now this is the first time we have heard this from anyone. There have been forums that have talked about isolated incidents but not multiple failures.
M Khan 123 You are so full of shit you're happy,,, don't believe you in the slightest for one single second,,,, because if that were the case the odds would say a ton of people would be saying bad crap about them like crazy on youtube and elsewhere,,, but quite the opposite holds true and most can't say enough good about Canik in general, I personally know for a fact that I have owned more poylamere 9mm handguns of all brands and models than years you've been alive even if you were 100 years old, and Canik is as good as and will hold it's own against any of them any way you want to talk about it or compare it so go blow your bullshit somewhere else kid.
I own one canik. The rival s. The only canik I will ever own. Had the t8 screw so tight. That it stripped with a t8 turning it. Contacted them. Asked me to send in pictures. And all my warranty info a 2nd time. When I was able to supply them with what they asked. They gave me a flat out no. Go see a gunsmith. I raised my voice. The guy makes a comment about how I just purchased a handgun and was being threatening. Hangs up. Can't get anyone to answer. Done with canik
They screwed themselves. I had a tti pre-ordered and that has been canceled and now it's the gun with serious operational issues. Feel bad for people buying them. In a way. They saved me from the tti nightmare
In Canada we no longer have any Canik Customer service. Century Arms International does not exist anymore in Canada. Century Arms does not ship to Canda. Therefore no Warranty and you are on your own to try to fix your Canik and try to find a gun store that will import replacement parts. I have a Canik SFX Rival damaged Slide Stop Spring and gun has lite primer strikes (not ammo related).
--If you know exactly what parts you need, call our gunsmith at 800-604-1102 (Jonathan) and let's see if we can get you fixed. You can thank that Troll Trodeau for what has happened in Canada. I'm very sorry to see Canada's direction.
650 rounds mc9 had return to battery issues, 115/124/147 hallow points and FMJ jamming in feed ramp. The one FMJ jammed so bad it took a chunk out of the jacket. The rear sight almost fell off do to the screw coming loose. Name brand ammo like hst and gold dot jamming! Mind you this is after I sent to canik and they replaced recoil spring and polished feed ramp. They’re sending me a new gun as we speak! Highly disappointed! I was so pissed I went and got a shield plus. Of course with the shield the mags are super stiff! What the hell is going on with gun companies lately
@@SecurityAllStar I’d say almost two years ago so I definitely got an early release with the issues. They’re sending me a new one so I’d imagine the issues are fixed. Even though I was pissed off their customer service was great and didn’t even hesitate to send a brand new gun
I rented a tp9 and a Taurus g3 at my local range to try out . Both shot extremely well and were 100% reliable but I couldn’t justify the extra cost for the Canik so I bought a g3 which has been phenomenal. With that being said I did like the tp9 and can’t talk down on it .
That G3 is probably our second most popular gun and I'd agree that it is a very good gun. The MAIN difference that most avid shooters would notice is the trigger. That being said, both are great guns.
The thing that amazes us is the consistency of everything they produce. I mean, very little variation from gun to gun and all perform flawlessly. That's my experience anyway.
@@SecurityAllStar I have a $5k cz and my canik mete sft pro is better in every way. Nuff said. Shoots as straight as a rifle and refuses to jam. Build quality is top notch although polymer, but who said it had to be metal to be better anyway right?
The problem I've had with mine is that it is ejecting the brass straight backward into my forehead. I wear a hat, so it caught that hot shit before my eyeballs did. How the hell do I fix this issue?
I've got a canik tp9sf elite subcompact black edition, I traded for it at a shop and got it new , it's one of my most favorite pistols to carry. I don't use a red dot on my canik or any other pistol, to me it's something else that can tear up I stick with iron sights on carry pistols specifically a blacked out rear and a front with a high visibility dot for my aging eyes .
i went from glock 19 to s&w sd9 to canik tp9 fs and had a bit of trouble getting used to the higher bore axis so i got rid of it like a dumby. but had no malfunctions that i recall. i have had an itch for the diamondback fs9 for bout 4 years because of the super low bore axis and ergos but yet to see one in a gun store.
My SFx Rival Magazines wouldn't take 18 rounds and took several attempts with Uplula magazine loaded to fully loaded them and had a few failure to feed, but went away after shooting it a few times.
I have 5 Caniks. I love them. I had trouble removing my optic plate off my TP9 sc and my Mete SFT pro. I mean neither plate was not moving no matter what I did to it. I watched a youtube video and someone suggested I take a punch from underneath and punch out the plate. Where the red dot screws go into the slide from underneath are open. Punched slid in perfectly, I did and it came out, installed the red dot and I'm a happy as can be. I've been a firearms instructor for 20 plus years. The Caniks in my opinion are the best on the market. I would not trade my Caniks for sigs, CZs, HKs or definitely not Glocks. 😉
Thanks for sharing. Good information. If the customer had not been there being a little "overshadow" we would have probably done things differently. I can say that the optic we chose was designed to slide in the rear sight slot and because the rear of the cut was slightly raised, it would not fit flush against the top of the slide cutout. After looking at all of the Caniks in our shop, I'd say this is true of most of the cutouts. I will not get another of these sights for any Canik except maybe the DA versions.
@@Me-ne5uu I shoot USPSA and my buddy has 3 CZs,2 of which he had to send back for repairs white very new. I have 3 Caniks along with a couple Glocks. I only had an issue with my Mete SF and it cleared up after about 500 rounds. Some Caniks need a little break in and also initially need heavier round due to their being designed for NATO rounds.
I bought my first Canik yesterday a METE SFX Looking forward to some range time tomorrow…. But I will break it down and give the pistol a good cleaning and a bit of lube. I wish they made a Canik in 10mm
@@SecurityAllStar lol I here that …. I live in Indiana and bought the Banshee 10mm ….. I love 10mm I also have the Springfield XDM Elite OSP 3.8 10mm and a Dan Wesson Bruin long slide 10mm
I just got the TP9sfx and yesterday I was at the range shooting it for the first time. I had a lot of stove pipes issues. It's not the ammo, as I was shooting the same ammo in my other 3 guns with no issues. Have you seen any issues like the one I had?
As stated by others here and in Canik group on Reddit, Canik states their guns are designed for 124 gr NATA loads that are a little hotter. Most ammo in the USA is not NATO loaded and many use 115 gr. If you were using 115 gr ammo then that is the problem. Your options are to use 124 gr ammo for say the first 300 rounds or leave the slide locked open for 3 days to a week or rack the slide several hundred times or buy a new, lighter spring from Canik or from someone else. I have a Rival and had no issue with using 115 gr at my first range trip. But some others may have the issue and my bet would be the issue is more likely to occur with older Canik models than maybe the Rival and Mete series.
This, METE MC9, is my third Canik. First one with magazine ejection problems. Written to Canik twice with NO answer. So so far, with customer service...NOT GOOD!
@@SecurityAllStar no. I got in touch with Classic Arms and they gave me a link to Canik's customer service. The dealer will just send it off. I want to hear from Canik if there's anything I can do to fix it. I even asked if a new frame could be sent by them. We'll see what happens.
So, interestingly enough we have found that several of the plates are slightly raised in the rear and will not accommodate this sight. The DA is the only one that was completely flush. This has created sort of a conundrum considering the sight was "recommended" by the manufacturer.
@@SecurityAllStar I got lucky and found one in Texas to transfer over to me. Call around some FFLs around the country you’ll get lucky and find one. That’s what I did.
I have 6 caniks.......no problems......dealing with Century Arms is a different story. I have no love for century arms.......please don't imply that customer service is THE MANUFACTURE.
Hmmmmmmmm, so, the company is not responsible for how customer service, repairs or responses happen? Even if they subcontract, the parent company hires them. We have 3,500 customers and our customers hold us responsible for getting things taken care of for them all the time. I don't think I agree if I am understanding what you are saying.
@@SecurityAllStar all I am saying is that century arms and canik are two separate companies. If I was canik I would find a better importer. This may change soon as canik is opening a u s based factory and won't need an importer to sell here in the u s.
Very True, Century Arms is the Canick importer. Pretty sure their goals and everyday things are completely different than what they are for Canik, the actual manufacturer. Sure they will try to take care of the customer problems, but its not the same. I don't mind working on my own things, as I have always been a mechanical nut and fabricator etc. I have studied and done a ot of work on many of my guns thru the years and helped others with theirs. I have invested in many specialized firearm tools etc. So I am taking a chance and just bought a Canik myself. Hopefully they build a US factory and have service in house then I bet CS is near perfect like most other gun makers in the US.@@fotofavoloso267
Worst CS? You meant to say Sig? I went round and round with sig CS trying to get a simple answer as to what size thread is on 365. Apparently is a secret.
@@SecurityAllStar so I have a 365x and Spectre Comp. I needed the screw size/thread pitch to get screws to mount a couple of Holosun EPS carry. So I emailed CS. They were being very evasive to not give me the infomations. Citing that “it depends what f what I mount, and that if I buy the Romeo Zero, It comes with the correct mounting screws”. Come on, if I wanted a Romeo zero, it would already be sitting on the slides. Thai carried on back and forth about 3 emails exchange and I just gave up. It’s National secret apparently.
The customer service/tech person probabaly has no idea what screw size/thread pitch it is. Many times they are so far removed from the actual guy doing the machining I would bet they didnt know. @@pittwm Nobody can admit not knowing something these days. Its very annoying. Its not a sin not to know something, its an opportunity to learn imho.
First, want to say thanks for the video. Please keep in mind my knowledge of guns is 1% of yours. I watched the entire video and I am not sure what problem you are actually having. You mention the gun, the optic and maybe even a plate, and I did not understand if you are mounting the optic straight onto the gun or are using an optic plate between the gun and optic. You also put the blame on the gun immediately without telling us if you tried a second optic or plate, which would be my first remedy. Could you clear that up? For me what would have been nice is if before you sent the gun back you would have taken video of the problem so it would be perfectly clear to an old geezer like me. Thanks in advance, Paul.
Hey Paul - good comments. Most of the Caniks come with a place already cut out for an optic. You can remove the place and put an optic in its place. Some of the optics that are made specifically for Caniks, like the Meprolite, are made to slide in the rear site slot. What we had a problem with is the rear of the plate you would normally remove to put a standard RMR optic on was raised slightly in the rear. I mean, just a very slight amount where we could not push in the rear sight (with a sight pusher) without the raised rear of the plate making the Meprolight cant back slightly. When we realized what was going on, either the plate or the cutout was milled like .5mm off making the RMR plate get a little stuck and the new sight impossible to mount flush against the slide. This was definitely a first. When we do the follow-up video, I'll take a picture, that's a very good idea. Does this help?
@@SecurityAllStar canik mete is not designed to take rmr type of optic. Same as elite sc. But you can use a specialized optic plate to fit a rmr optic but lose cowitness with the irons. METE is only compatible to RMRcc footprint.
You know, you are so right. We should have told the customer (who was standing there) to "Piss off." We don't care what you think we are gonna mill your RMR cut down whether you like it or not. Then demanded he pay and shove him out the door. I do love ignorant comments from the peanut gang. Welcome to the discussion Charlie Brown!
This guy gets so derailed in his speech it is EXHAUSTING. He should remove the other guy as he constantly turns and checks in with his colleague and goes on a tangent about many mini topics. Golly.
We've been really happy with them. We just brought in about 7 Glocks on Friday and every trigger was extremely different. All the Canik triggers are about near perfect.
All my Canik’s did the same. Be careful what you feed it because they were made to only take Nato, CIP, or SAAMI rounds. Canik also doesn’t do well with any grain under 124 grain. Even though I feed 4 of my brand new Canik’s the right ammo, they had multiple jams. I even locked the slide back for weeks and still fte, stovepipes you name it. Contacted Canik and they sent me new guide rods and recoil springs. Still had issues! I do admit they have awesome triggers out the box plus all the accessories are cool! However they need to do better with their QC. Great guns at the range but never would I trust them with my personal protection means. IE home or self defense. All my Canik’s came from Academy or big gun retailers and still had issues. My ammo was new and everything but still had problems. I have Glocks, Walthers, Springfield’s, HK’s, etc. Honestly Glock is superior to all of those. They really do work! Now of course any gun can jam, but Canik needs to do better. You can google and TH-cam Canik issues and it’s a lot. I really tried with them because I loved their guns! But I literally sold or traded all mines and no issues out my other guns! Now yours may be ok and perfect. Just put about 200 rounds and see if there are hiccups. Not a fan boy to no firearm brand at all. Just speaking from 10 plus years of firearms experience. That’s why some Canik’s are so cheap and include all the goodies. It’s because they put emphasis on all that and none on reliability. Henceforth the cliche, “You get what you pay for.” Any gun you buy make sure to read the manual fully. Surprisingly you’ll find very informative and needed info.
I have Canik TP9SF Elite. First trip to the range shot Winchester 115 and Blazer 124. It ran both with no problems. Easiest gun I ever had to shoot well. Took my CZ P10 S to compare the 2. Had the CZ for 4 years and right off the bat I shoot the Canik just as well. The trigger and sights are a big reason why
Interesting. I just purchased a TP9SF and right out of the box I had issues. Shot 80 rounds and 8 times the slide did not return fully forward and did not cock the striker. I also had one stovepipe. I was shooting two brands of 115 grain. I haven't tried a higher grain (as mentioned), but really I shouldn't have to. I'm calling Century Arms today to send it in. Anyone have ideas on this issue? I too have several brands of handguns including HK (my personal favorite), Glock, Beretta, Springfield Armory and have been shooting 40+ years. I've never had this particular issue with any handgun. I bought the Canik on a whim because of how everyone raves about the trigger AND I got it for $300 new. I never intended for it to replace any of my defense guns and certainly won't now.
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I own three Caniks and I love them, that being said, I had my first problem with my TP9 Elite SC when I was practicing different drills at the range, my Elite SC would go out of battery and wouldn't fire. I tried different ammo and the same thing was happening. I called Canik and I have to say that the customer service was excellent. They asked what grain bullet I was using and I told them mostly 115 grain, they said that the recoil spring was too strong for that grain if I didn't shoot the gun often. They said they would send me a lighter recoil spring and I would be back in business, but in the meantime, keep the slide open to break in that recoil spring, or just start running a heavier grain bullet to break it in. Bottom Line, Excellent Guns, Excellent Customer Service!
Booyah, and that's what I love hearing. We do try to get most folks to get the 124grain when they are picking up ammo. I hope we get a good resolution then I'll post.
Brand new gun doesn’t shoot! Just buy special ammo and leave it in an unusable state for a while maybe it will heal itself. Canik sucks as hard as Budsguns!
Canik lists in some manuals that their firearm are design for 124 gr NATO loads. I ran one mag of 124 gr non-NATO and then tried 115 gr and both worked without issues. Some Canik firearms may require breaking in before the 115 gr ammo will cycle properly. Canik no longer supplies the lighter recoil springs for free. They invited me to buy one. They said it has been a long time since they offered the lighter recoil springs for free to resolve cycling issues.
I have three canik Tp9 sc, Rival darkside and TP9 SFX. All three guns works perfectly. No issues. It might be the gin owner who not operating correctly.
Got a Canik Rival-S and immediately had issues (videos are on my channel). Requested a shipping label and it took customer service a week, after several requests, to send me one by email. The gun is now at Century arms for warranty service. Many other people are having the same issues with the steel frame Rivals, but no one is posting videos about their issues.
Do you have any links?
Same here. Waiting 4 days for a "return authorization." That's crap. They could easily give that info over the phone.
You ever get this resolved?
Totally different experience here. I only asked Canik’s support if they knew of a good tool to remove the slide lock pin on an Elite SC which is notoriously hard to remove. They treated me like crap and couldn’t tell me which tool would work and didn’t offer to remove the pin. I had an issue with a Glock where a screw broke in the MOS in the slide and Glock fixed it for me for free, almost no questions asked.
I'll have to say, Glock may call you a stupid-A$$ while helping you but they do stand behind the product.
I had a totally different experience with Canik than you. I had a issue and they sent me parts free of charge 3 times. After the 3rd time when the gun still didn't work right they offered to replace it. I did ask them to do that but not only did they do that they gave me their newest model the Rival right when it came out. I received one before the dealers in my area. I couldn't ask for better customer service and I have dealt with S&W, Glock, Tarus and have a a good experience with all of them. A lot of times it comes down to how you talk to the people. Not saying that was a issue with you but I've been on both sides of that coin so I know. Better luck to you in the future .
Glock is amazing. I got red loctite in my upper. Russell over at clock did a 2 day turn around. Had it back in 5 day. Glock fan for life
FAILURE GUN! This gun should be recalled. Your article IS GREAT!
We have had some other people who have had major issues but none of us have and only one of our customers had a feed issue. I wonder if it was just one run of the guns? Maybe?
CLICK BAIT! 1 gun and you guys couldn't get the optics plate off after selling Caniks for several years? You both carry them. Major issues. lol .
Hey, you were the one I was referencing in the video. Yes, we could have gotten the plate off with the pusher, milled down the bottom of it and replaced it. Why would I take a brand new customer's gun, mill the plate and void a warranty? Why? That would just be plain stupid. Not being able to mount a $325 sight easily and properly for a customer that spent $1,000 on the entire setup is a major problem for that customer and one that I'm anxious to see if Canik will fix. Now, click bait is boobs, cleavage and twirking for normal people. How was it click bait exactly?
@@SecurityAllStar great video
bro I couldn't have said it better myself... I wish they would have followed up immediately with, "So you know why I chose to post this video AFTER being a Canik dealer and proud owner for all these years? Because it took THIS long for us to run into a problem where we actually had to get an RMA for service and subsequent call-tag for one of these firearms. That in itself should say enough about this manufacturer of arms. With a quality control team such as theirs we are certain that they will have this done and repaired or replaced super fast, and if ya don't hear from us, good news, all is well. If they give us problems, we'll be sure to update yall with another video with updates. We just want to be transparent with yall so that we can keep our level of trust with the public, as well as our own accountability. Not EVERYthing is perfect with these guys, but after all these years, they get damn close!!"
But instead, they go on and on and on about how questionable they are on how long it's going to take them to respond to the service request. I'm so tired of these people that take full advantage of all of these endorsements they get for their half a$$ed, most-of-the-time, biased a$$ed reviews, half not looking out for us, and the other half not looking out properly to whom they're supposed to represent. I hope these guys get free stuff from Canik and get sued for posting something like this. I'm officially unsubscribed from these idiots for good. Not just here either. I'm tired of it everywhere. If I think you're too selfish or petty with your "brand," that WE give you, solely from us and our wasted time on your "CLICK BAIT" videos... no more. And I suggest yall do the same thing. Did you guys see any guns out of display in this store? I struggled to find one. Maybe there's one or two back there somewhere other than on their hips. If that's the case, there's a reason. It means they're not as high volume as a manufacturer requires a dealer to be, for said dealer to make certain that each current model is on display in the case. Up front. If there were guns on display for sale they would've been in the background of the video. There weren't any because they're not worth the time to the manufacturer's sales people to make sure inventory is kept at the highest of levels, not only for sales, but obv for display. A "Gun Store" that has no guns on display, is not a gun store worth buying from unless he's a private gun dealer selling at wholesale prices, which is extremely rare and in a lot of cases, states, and provinces is illegal. Sorry this is so long. I'm just really tired of all of these fake a$$ youtube "brands" thinking their worth our time. I can't wait till all the GOOD YT shows get bought up and put on TH-cam TV so that we can have a new cable company to rob us all blind for the next quarter century. Yay! I think I need to go to bed. Too much internet for one night.
I bought an MC9 and went directly to the firing line. I did have a few battery issues and the mags didn't always drop freely.
Came home second guessing my purchase. Not being one who gives up easy, (my wife calls it stubborness), I spent some time on you tube and did some close examinations of the gun. I repaired/fine tuned my MC9 and now it shoots and functions perfectly and I didn't have to buy or replace any parts. Very pleased with the performance now.
What work did you do?
For the battery issue I sanded the top of the polymer slide rail so they were even with the steel guides. That works perfectly now.
The mag drop problem was pretty easy to fix also. I spent a lot of time examining what could be the cause. I discovered that the travel on the mag release button wasn't far enough to keep the mag catch from causing friction on the magazine case.
I removed the slide and used a small grinding stone in my dremmel on slow speed and ground the tip of the mag catch a little at a time.
I stopped frequently to check function and it didn't take long to have every mag drop freely.
I have been back to the range and have had zero problems.
I never spent a dime and didn't have to send it back to Canik.
Thanks for the update. Their QC may suffer a little as they get more popular.
I just sent in my Canik Mete SFX on January 31. The trigger developed an early wall (where take up is normal) , followed by an audible click, skip, the the regular wall before breaking cleanly as Canik is best known for. It makes me throw my shots terribly. I actually have video of it to demonstrate to the Canik service person. They accepted my claim and It is there now. My first Canik was purchased in 2020, the TP9 Elite, so I am familiar with the proper feel of the trigger. My first experience sending something in for service.
Please come back and let us know how this works out. I'm going to let everyone know our experience as well.
@@SecurityAllStar My Canik returned today. Shipped out on 1/31 and back safe and sound on 2/23! The gunsmith confirmed the problem and installed a new trigger and trigger bar. In addition there are listed a dozen service checks performed. I am happy and the trigger seems back to normal per my inspection. I hope to confirm at the range with live fire ASAP.
Bad customer service from Canik. Bought a SFT Mete on September 3,2022. Was going to buy Glock 17 but Canik offered a rebate for 3 free magazines with purchase. Sent in all necessary rebate paperwork for 6 to 8 week delivery time. After 10 weeks called rebate center and they said bla bla bla excuse and would take another 6 to 8 weeks. Called again after waiting 10 weeks and they said offer had expired to call customer service. To make a long story short no magazines have been received to date. Has anyone else been scammed by Canik? Please let me know 5:28
Man, sorry to hear that. We have not had that problem.
Had one problem with my Elite SC a couple of years ago with a magazine out of the box. Called them/emailed them and they got it straightened out right away. It took a couple of weeks, if I remember correctly, due to holidays? No big deal and kept rocking and rolling.
This is more consistent with the isolated incidents we are hearing about.
@@SecurityAllStar same here. One of the groups I'm has "tons" of complaints, but I have to remember that forums and groups are always more about the bad than the good these days.
I bought a Canik Rival S...shot about 500 rounds through it....one day was taking it out of the box, the slide release on the right side FELL OFF. Currently, it is at the warehouse being worked on. My buddies and I joked that it was probably built on a Monday morning or a Friday afternoon. But seriously, time will tell.
Please keep up with us on the process for getting this fixed. We want to know how others experiences line up. Thanks.
@@SecurityAllStar I recently received my pistol back. Interestingly, I had commented to Juan at Canik how I wished I had bought the Dark version instead of the shiny silver.
When I got my pistol returned, it was a brand new Canik Rival S Dark instead of the silver one I had sent in for repair.
@@williamrandolph1566 now that’s service!!
@@rangered2010 Agreed. I have bought two other Caniks since. Love 'em.
I have a Canik TP9 Elite SC and have no issues. Customer service is great. I lost my red dot plate and they replaced it free of charge, quickly.
That is awesome...I hope our experience is that good. We will find out very soon I hope.
I had a broken firing pin on my tp9sf elite and my tp9s V2 and resetting issues at the same time. I got ahold of canik or century Arms and they sent shipping label and it was done three weeks later.
This is my question going through this first Canik problem. Are we going to get it fixed in a reasonable amount of time.
I have 6 caniks, 1000s and 1000s of rounds and never had any issues
We've personally never had a bad experience on the range either. Just solid guns.
Own 3 Canik Elite Combat. All 3 hv failure to feed and Click no bang. My friends at the gun club have the same same issue with the SFX Mete. This issue rampant with Canik pistols. HIGHLY UNRELIABLE.
Wow, now this is the first time we have heard this from anyone. There have been forums that have talked about isolated incidents but not multiple failures.
M Khan 123 You are so full of shit you're happy,,, don't believe you in the slightest for one single second,,,, because if that were the case the odds would say a ton of people would be saying bad crap about them like crazy on youtube and elsewhere,,, but quite the opposite holds true and most can't say enough good about Canik in general, I personally know for a fact that I have owned more poylamere 9mm handguns of all brands and models than years you've been alive even if you were 100 years old, and Canik is as good as and will hold it's own against any of them any way you want to talk about it or compare it so go blow your bullshit somewhere else kid.
Same problems with all my Canik’s definitely unreliable
I own one canik. The rival s. The only canik I will ever own. Had the t8 screw so tight. That it stripped with a t8 turning it. Contacted them. Asked me to send in pictures. And all my warranty info a 2nd time. When I was able to supply them with what they asked. They gave me a flat out no. Go see a gunsmith. I raised my voice. The guy makes a comment about how I just purchased a handgun and was being threatening. Hangs up. Can't get anyone to answer. Done with canik
They screwed themselves. I had a tti pre-ordered and that has been canceled and now it's the gun with serious operational issues. Feel bad for people buying them. In a way. They saved me from the tti nightmare
By acting like a general (word were not allowed to use) about their warranty though. So not on purpose
Holy crap - really. Our experience was good. I've had Glock be really nasty to us before but not Canik.
In Canada we no longer have any Canik Customer service. Century Arms International does not exist anymore in Canada. Century Arms does not ship to Canda. Therefore no Warranty and you are on your own to try to fix your Canik and try to find a gun store that will import replacement parts. I have a Canik SFX Rival damaged Slide Stop Spring and gun has lite primer strikes (not ammo related).
--If you know exactly what parts you need, call our gunsmith at 800-604-1102 (Jonathan) and let's see if we can get you fixed. You can thank that Troll Trodeau for what has happened in Canada. I'm very sorry to see Canada's direction.
Its funny though. I was just telling my buddy. I thought the tti issues was from them becoming so popular. So quickly and then your video pops up.
The phone was listening. We just had a range day with the TTI and I must say it was awesome.
650 rounds mc9 had return to battery issues, 115/124/147 hallow points and FMJ jamming in feed ramp. The one FMJ jammed so bad it took a chunk out of the jacket. The rear sight almost fell off do to the screw coming loose. Name brand ammo like hst and gold dot jamming! Mind you this is after I sent to canik and they replaced recoil spring and polished feed ramp. They’re sending me a new gun as we speak! Highly disappointed! I was so pissed I went and got a shield plus. Of course with the shield the mags are super stiff! What the hell is going on with gun companies lately
How old is your MC9. We heard about this and then heard they fixed the MC9 issues.
@@SecurityAllStar I’d say almost two years ago so I definitely got an early release with the issues. They’re sending me a new one so I’d imagine the issues are fixed. Even though I was pissed off their customer service was great and didn’t even hesitate to send a brand new gun
I rented a tp9 and a Taurus g3 at my local range to try out . Both shot extremely well and were 100% reliable but I couldn’t justify the extra cost for the Canik so I bought a g3 which has been phenomenal. With that being said I did like the tp9 and can’t talk down on it .
That G3 is probably our second most popular gun and I'd agree that it is a very good gun. The MAIN difference that most avid shooters would notice is the trigger. That being said, both are great guns.
Canik is literally designed by an aerospace organization. No other pistol on the Market can compare...
I’ll have what you’re smoking.
The thing that amazes us is the consistency of everything they produce. I mean, very little variation from gun to gun and all perform flawlessly. That's my experience anyway.
@@SecurityAllStar I have a $5k cz and my canik mete sft pro is better in every way. Nuff said. Shoots as straight as a rifle and refuses to jam. Build quality is top notch although polymer, but who said it had to be metal to be better anyway right?
The problem I've had with mine is that it is ejecting the brass straight backward into my forehead. I wear a hat, so it caught that hot shit before my eyeballs did. How the hell do I fix this issue?
Are you shooting plus P ammo? This is the first I've heard of this. Maybe really, really hot ammo is kicking it back. I'd love to know.
I've got a canik tp9sf elite subcompact black edition, I traded for it at a shop and got it new , it's one of my most favorite pistols to carry. I don't use a red dot on my canik or any other pistol, to me it's something else that can tear up I stick with iron sights on carry pistols specifically a blacked out rear and a front with a high visibility dot for my aging eyes .
Yeah, I have stigmatism and cannot use red dots. I'll always be shooting steel.
i went from glock 19 to s&w sd9 to canik tp9 fs and had a bit of trouble getting used to the higher bore axis so i got rid of it like a dumby. but had no malfunctions that i recall. i have had an itch for the diamondback fs9 for bout 4 years because of the super low bore axis and ergos but yet to see one in a gun store.
I cannot say a thing about the DB9 from personal experience but here they are in stock: www.18guns.com/search/db9
My SFx Rival Magazines wouldn't take 18 rounds and took several attempts with Uplula magazine loaded to fully loaded them and had a few failure to feed, but went away after shooting it a few times.
It is true that most guns to need a little break in time. Not like the older 1911 style guns but definitely need some range time.
I’m having the same problem right now with my SFX Rival Darkside. I have three mags they hold 18 but once I load the mag it won’t release
Tengo una canik sc la corredera se despinto la mande a pintar en cerakote y se volvió a despintar esta ves ledio moho tendrá garantía
Tiene un traduscador? Hay possible escribir in ingles?
I have 5 Caniks. I love them. I had trouble removing my optic plate off my TP9 sc and my Mete SFT pro. I mean neither plate was not moving no matter what I did to it. I watched a youtube video and someone suggested I take a punch from underneath and punch out the plate. Where the red dot screws go into the slide from underneath are open. Punched slid in perfectly, I did and it came out, installed the red dot and I'm a happy as can be. I've been a firearms instructor for 20 plus years. The Caniks in my opinion are the best on the market. I would not trade my Caniks for sigs, CZs, HKs or definitely not Glocks. 😉
Thanks for sharing. Good information. If the customer had not been there being a little "overshadow" we would have probably done things differently. I can say that the optic we chose was designed to slide in the rear sight slot and because the rear of the cut was slightly raised, it would not fit flush against the top of the slide cutout. After looking at all of the Caniks in our shop, I'd say this is true of most of the cutouts. I will not get another of these sights for any Canik except maybe the DA versions.
CZ and HK are much higher quality
@@Me-ne5uu Yeah, but if the Canik works better... that "higher quality" is irrelevant.
Seeing a lot of people end up with failure to return to battery/ dead trigger.
After 500rds before 1000
@@Me-ne5uu I shoot USPSA and my buddy has 3 CZs,2 of which he had to send back for repairs white very new. I have 3 Caniks along with a couple Glocks. I only had an issue with my Mete SF and it cleared up after about 500 rounds. Some Caniks need a little break in and also initially need heavier round due to their being designed for NATO rounds.
I bought my first Canik yesterday a METE SFX
Looking forward to some range time tomorrow…. But I will break it down and give the pistol a good cleaning and a bit of lube.
I wish they made a Canik in 10mm
We delivered one yesterday and, I have to get one but I just bought a 10mm and have to spread out the love for my wife.
@@SecurityAllStar lol I here that …. I live in Indiana and bought the Banshee 10mm ….. I love 10mm I also have the Springfield XDM Elite OSP 3.8 10mm and a Dan Wesson Bruin long slide 10mm
I just got the TP9sfx and yesterday I was at the range shooting it for the first time. I had a lot of stove pipes issues. It's not the ammo, as I was shooting the same ammo in my other 3 guns with no issues. Have you seen any issues like the one I had?
Not at all from any of the guns we have delivered. This is a first.
As stated by others here and in Canik group on Reddit, Canik states their guns are designed for 124 gr NATA loads that are a little hotter. Most ammo in the USA is not NATO loaded and many use 115 gr. If you were using 115 gr ammo then that is the problem. Your options are to use 124 gr ammo for say the first 300 rounds or leave the slide locked open for 3 days to a week or rack the slide several hundred times or buy a new, lighter spring from Canik or from someone else. I have a Rival and had no issue with using 115 gr at my first range trip. But some others may have the issue and my bet would be the issue is more likely to occur with older Canik models than maybe the Rival and Mete series.
This, METE MC9, is my third Canik. First one with magazine ejection problems. Written to Canik twice with NO answer. So so far, with customer service...NOT GOOD!
Soooooo, did you go to your dealer to get it resolved?
@@SecurityAllStar no. I got in touch with Classic Arms and they gave me a link to Canik's customer service. The dealer will just send it off. I want to hear from Canik if there's anything I can do to fix it. I even asked if a new frame could be sent by them. We'll see what happens.
Dam...I was just bout to buy that gun
Most people have had very good luck.
My slide locks open on my SC when going through rounds. Does anyone have any idea what's the issue ?
Factory mags?
@@SecurityAllStar yes
You are the only one who has had this problem that I've heard of.
Sounds like a QC issue. Did you try that site on another Canik gun?
So, interestingly enough we have found that several of the plates are slightly raised in the rear and will not accommodate this sight. The DA is the only one that was completely flush. This has created sort of a conundrum considering the sight was "recommended" by the manufacturer.
I love my tp9sf elite combat executive, but I’m about to trade it in for a p320 for flux raider mag exchange ability
Have you shot that P320?
@@SecurityAllStar no, I’m gonna wait for my CHL to arrive before I trade it in, but that’s the plan.
Never a problem with my Canik rival
Those are awesome. We had anther one roll out the door yesterday.
Half way through the video and still no word about the "problem."
Get to the point.
Its there.
Pretty sure if it was my gun I would have had your gunsmith do his thing so I could be using my gun
We did give him the option and we all opted not to jeopardize the warranty.
get ready for more.. this canik MC9 is hotttttttttt right now. they guna sell a bilion of those things
We want one for review very, very badly. Can't get one.
@@SecurityAllStar I got lucky and found one in Texas to transfer over to me. Call around some FFLs around the country you’ll get lucky and find one. That’s what I did.
WE have one in now and are going to do a comparison this Thursday with the CSX.
I have 6 caniks.......no problems......dealing with Century Arms is a different story. I have no love for century arms.......please don't imply that customer service is THE MANUFACTURE.
Hmmmmmmmm, so, the company is not responsible for how customer service, repairs or responses happen? Even if they subcontract, the parent company hires them. We have 3,500 customers and our customers hold us responsible for getting things taken care of for them all the time. I don't think I agree if I am understanding what you are saying.
@@SecurityAllStar all I am saying is that century arms and canik are two separate companies. If I was canik I would find a better importer. This may change soon as canik is opening a u s based factory and won't need an importer to sell here in the u s.
Very True, Century Arms is the Canick importer. Pretty sure their goals and everyday things are completely different than what they are for Canik, the actual manufacturer. Sure they will try to take care of the customer problems, but its not the same. I don't mind working on my own things, as I have always been a mechanical nut and fabricator etc. I have studied and done a ot of work on many of my guns thru the years and helped others with theirs. I have invested in many specialized firearm tools etc. So I am taking a chance and just bought a Canik myself. Hopefully they build a US factory and have service in house then I bet CS is near perfect like most other gun makers in the US.@@fotofavoloso267
They may have some QC problems as they get more popular. By enlarge they are nearly perfect guns.
Worst CS? You meant to say Sig? I went round and round with sig CS trying to get a simple answer as to what size thread is on 365. Apparently is a secret.
You know, we have never returned or sent something back to SIG. What's your story?
@@SecurityAllStar so I have a 365x and Spectre Comp. I needed the screw size/thread pitch to get screws to mount a couple of Holosun EPS carry. So I emailed CS. They were being very evasive to not give me the infomations. Citing that “it depends what f what I mount, and that if I buy the Romeo Zero, It comes with the correct mounting screws”. Come on, if I wanted a Romeo zero, it would already be sitting on the slides. Thai carried on back and forth about 3 emails exchange and I just gave up. It’s National secret apparently.
The customer service/tech person probabaly has no idea what screw size/thread pitch it is. Many times they are so far removed from the actual guy doing the machining I would bet they didnt know. @@pittwm Nobody can admit not knowing something these days. Its very annoying. Its not a sin not to know something, its an opportunity to learn imho.
Wow one gun had a problem with the plate you wasted my time
I'm sorry, we thought the Customer Service experience with a problem was important.
Mine won’t come apart!
Its an issue.
Come on, guys. Really?
Really - what?
I'm sure s&w is one of those BAD CUSTOMER SERVICE. THEY SUCK!
You got a story to tell?
Why are you sure?
First, want to say thanks for the video. Please keep in mind my knowledge of guns is 1% of yours. I watched the entire video and I am not sure what problem you are actually having. You mention the gun, the optic and maybe even a plate, and I did not understand if you are mounting the optic straight onto the gun or are using an optic plate between the gun and optic. You also put the blame on the gun immediately without telling us if you tried a second optic or plate, which would be my first remedy. Could you clear that up? For me what would have been nice is if before you sent the gun back you would have taken video of the problem so it would be perfectly clear to an old geezer like me. Thanks in advance, Paul.
Hey Paul - good comments. Most of the Caniks come with a place already cut out for an optic. You can remove the place and put an optic in its place. Some of the optics that are made specifically for Caniks, like the Meprolite, are made to slide in the rear site slot. What we had a problem with is the rear of the plate you would normally remove to put a standard RMR optic on was raised slightly in the rear. I mean, just a very slight amount where we could not push in the rear sight (with a sight pusher) without the raised rear of the plate making the Meprolight cant back slightly. When we realized what was going on, either the plate or the cutout was milled like .5mm off making the RMR plate get a little stuck and the new sight impossible to mount flush against the slide. This was definitely a first. When we do the follow-up video, I'll take a picture, that's a very good idea. Does this help?
@@SecurityAllStar canik mete is not designed to take rmr type of optic. Same as elite sc. But you can use a specialized optic plate to fit a rmr optic but lose cowitness with the irons. METE is only compatible to RMRcc footprint.
Teaching a class? How were you teaching a class? You're obviously not qualified. Sights are an easy fix.
You know, you are so right. We should have told the customer (who was standing there) to "Piss off." We don't care what you think we are gonna mill your RMR cut down whether you like it or not. Then demanded he pay and shove him out the door. I do love ignorant comments from the peanut gang. Welcome to the discussion Charlie Brown!
This guy gets so derailed in his speech it is EXHAUSTING. He should remove the other guy as he constantly turns and checks in with his colleague and goes on a tangent about many mini topics. Golly.
The other "guy" is a gunsmith who does not want to be on camera.
Please get to the point !
We did
CANIK IS THE BEST
We've been really happy with them. We just brought in about 7 Glocks on Friday and every trigger was extremely different. All the Canik triggers are about near perfect.
All my Canik’s did the same. Be careful what you feed it because they were made to only take Nato, CIP, or SAAMI rounds. Canik also doesn’t do well with any grain under 124 grain. Even though I feed 4 of my brand new Canik’s the right ammo, they had multiple jams. I even locked the slide back for weeks and still fte, stovepipes you name it. Contacted Canik and they sent me new guide rods and recoil springs. Still had issues! I do admit they have awesome triggers out the box plus all the accessories are cool! However they need to do better with their QC. Great guns at the range but never would I trust them with my personal protection means. IE home or self defense. All my Canik’s came from Academy or big gun retailers and still had issues. My ammo was new and everything but still had problems. I have Glocks, Walthers, Springfield’s, HK’s, etc. Honestly Glock is superior to all of those. They really do work! Now of course any gun can jam, but Canik needs to do better. You can google and TH-cam Canik issues and it’s a lot. I really tried with them because I loved their guns! But I literally sold or traded all mines and no issues out my other guns! Now yours may be ok and perfect. Just put about 200 rounds and see if there are hiccups. Not a fan boy to no firearm brand at all. Just speaking from 10 plus years of firearms experience. That’s why some Canik’s are so cheap and include all the goodies. It’s because they put emphasis on all that and none on reliability. Henceforth the cliche, “You get what you pay for.” Any gun you buy make sure to read the manual fully. Surprisingly you’ll find very informative and needed info.
Were the problems with range or personal defense ammo under 124 grain or all of it?
@@SecurityAllStar both ammo types… range and hollow points. 124 grain, 147 grain both Nato… and of course it didn’t like 115 grain either.
I have Canik TP9SF Elite. First trip to the range shot Winchester 115 and Blazer 124. It ran both with no problems. Easiest gun I ever had to shoot well. Took my CZ P10 S to compare the 2. Had the CZ for 4 years and right off the bat I shoot the Canik just as well. The trigger and sights are a big reason why
Interesting. I just purchased a TP9SF and right out of the box I had issues. Shot 80 rounds and 8 times the slide did not return fully forward and did not cock the striker. I also had one stovepipe. I was shooting two brands of 115 grain. I haven't tried a higher grain (as mentioned), but really I shouldn't have to. I'm calling Century Arms today to send it in. Anyone have ideas on this issue? I too have several brands of handguns including HK (my personal favorite), Glock, Beretta, Springfield Armory and have been shooting 40+ years. I've never had this particular issue with any handgun. I bought the Canik on a whim because of how everyone raves about the trigger AND I got it for $300 new. I never intended for it to replace any of my defense guns and certainly won't now.