Hello mate isn’t the A7C a small full frame body and the Tamron 17-70 an APS-C lens? Did you set your camera on crop mode? Would be interesting to know because the Portraits you took at 70mm would then more be like taking it with a 105mm lens on full frame and so on. Thanks a lot 😎
Thoroughly enjoyed this video. Most photographers are familiars with these tips, however they are necessary reminders. Its fascinating to see familiar poses look natural! Kudos to the model & terrific photography.
Good job Pye. I was familiar with most of what you said, but there is a real value in hearing it again and seeing a photographer but those principles to such good results. Thanks.
The newer f/2.8 zooms are very good. Honestly f/2.8 is probably going to give you all the bokeh you need at anything above 40mm focal length. I used to have a beautiful Nikkor 85 1.4 and honestly it was an issue, shooting at 1.4 the DOF is so shallow that the eyes are in focus but the tip of the nose and the ears getting soft! Stop that thing to f2.8 and you had all the bokeh you could handle. So the quality of the zoom becomes the reason why they have a bad rap, as well as that most zooms people have experience with are kit cheapos, or in the old days even expensive ones were f/4 or slower (looking at you Zeiss!) With a Sigma Art or a Sony G and some Tamrons like this, the glass is very good so that's not an issue. May be in the minority but I do like the effect of very wide angle portraits sometimes, and there is where you need a prime that goes wider than 2.8 for bokeh.
Some other reviewers discovered softness at 70mm, 2.8 using this lens. Not the case here. I'm wondering if using full frame in crop mode made a difference ??
Above all, you have a beautiful model :) I also like your post-processing. I am considering a tamron 17-70 for my a6700 as a second body to an a7rv with a 1.4 prime lens for wedding photography. I think this light combo will provide a lot of advantages in finding nice moments during the wedding day.
So is there an advantage to using this lens on a full frame camera such as the a7C in crop mode against say an a6400 APS-C that this lens is designed for??? A few people have asked this very question in the comments. An answer would be great. Thanks, Peter.
You will capture more light per pixel, but will have fewer pixels. So you'll get a 12 MP picture on an a7C instead of 24MP on an a6400. So to answer the question, MAYBE. The only real benefit will be that stray photons will be averaged on bigger pixels... but good software might be able to remove those in post on smaller pixels while also using the extra resolution to increase sharpness. I think it really comes down to glass quality for the resolution you want, whether or not you wish to fully utilize the full-frame sensor's larger size, price, and lens size/weight considerations. Hope that helps.
Hi, I’m planning to buy this lens ( 17-70 2.8 tamron ) specifically for wedding photography, covering both the ceremony and reception. My camera body is the Sony a6400. Previously, I used the Sony 18-105mm f/4 lens, but I found it lacking in sharpness. Could you please recommend a suitable lens that would provide better image quality for these types of events? Thank you!
You only sacrifice resolution, 12MP instead of 24MP. I'd say the images shown are sufficiently sharp even at 12MP. Keep in mind most high end APS-C lenses top out at a resolution of ~16MP (though good software like DxO's DeepPRIME will probably be able to extract more resolution with a 24MP image).
This 17-70 you are using is an APS-C lens? Right. If so, despite the loss of pixels, your photos of your model are nice and sharp. Also, your model should be happy with your shots as she looks alive.
Hi, did you use this lens on your full frame camera, but did you use the option to crop or did you use a full frame? if this was full frame why i didnt see a vignette? hope you can answer this lens is a wonderful solution for me!! thanks
Looking for a camera and lens to purchase for all around and found this video. Super helpful tips, I was just looking for a review on the Tamron 17-70mm. I am trying to decide between that and the Sigma 18-50mm f2.8. I don't own a camera, so I am not sure if I'll miss the extra 20mm from 50 on the sigma to 70mm on the Tamron. Do you think it is worth it the extra price? My main goal is to take photos of the family and kids when we go out on trips. Of course, some landscape too, to get the nice views of vacation places.
@@jamesjackson4264 no, it’s equivalent to a 25.5mm-105mm f/2.8 lens. Crop factor only affects the focal length and the depth of field, not the actual light entering the lens.
Can Tamron 17-70mm F2.8 give the same result as 3 separate lenses SIGMA 16mm 1.4 / SIGMA 30mm 1.4 / SIGMA 56mm 1.4? Sony a6400. I want to use it for portraits
No. However, it's equivalent to a full-frame at approximately 25-105mm. What makes the Tamron special is the f2.8 maximum aperture. Many lenses in this range are f4.
@@jamesjackson4264 you can thank people like Tony Northrup for misinforming the masses. 2.8 is 2.8 is 2.8 regardless if it’s medium format, full frame, aps-c, or micro 4/3.
@@williamborges3914 I can't understand why it is not a full-frame lens. It has an E-mount. And Sony A7iii has an E-mount. Wouldn't these two go together? Wouldn't I have 17-70mm on a Sony A7iii?
This guy is much too clever for his own good!!! Using an aps-c lens on a full frame body, he is effectively increasing his focal length for that pleasing look and bokeh!!!!
It doesnt technically increases his focal length. it only crops the picture to get the sense of a more zoomed in and the bokeh is technically the same as you would get on a FF lens
Sorry, but unless you've manged to change the laws of physics, that's not correct. A focal length remains the same regardless of the sensor size. If you have a crop sensor camera and a full-frame camera and you take a picture from the same distance using the same lens and then crop the full-frame picture to match the framing of the crop sensor, you will end up with the same picture. On the other hand, if you take those same two cameras and use different focal lengths in order to approximate the same field of view, you will end up with two different images, that have a different depth of field as well as background compression (e.g. using a 50mm lens on the full-frame and a 30-35mm on the crop sensor). Because the full-frame is using a longer focal range, it will render a thinner depth of field.
Not really. The bokeh is identical because the light behaves the same as on an APS-C body, only difference being that the FF camera is in crop mode. Focus points will be more limited due to the crop, but all of Sony's high end FF cameras high an absurd amount of focus points, so I doubt that'll be a practical issue (one might even benefit from focus points now at the extreme edge of the frame). As far as pixel size goes, the total surface area is the same in crop mode as it is on an APS-C camera, so that's not an issue. The resolution does drop from 24MP to 12MP which doesn't fully utilize the lens' resolution, but high end APS-C lenses typically max out around ~16MP, so not much is lost there. What is lost is the ability to do AI upscaling with software like DxO's DeepPRIME which benefits from the 24MP even if the lens doesn't resolve that much resolution. Also, the price, size, and weight considerations are important to many.
First video where I did not like even one shot by pie. Most of his teachings on tiktok were not applied here to make better shots. Please start using the tips you preach to gather following on tiktok on these videos to up their level.
Hi, I’m planning to buy this lens ( 17-70 2.8 tamron ) specifically for wedding photography, covering both the ceremony and reception. My camera body is the Sony a6400. Previously, I used the Sony 18-105mm f/4 lens, but I found it lacking in sharpness. Could you please recommend a suitable lens that would provide better image quality for these types of events? Thank you!
Learn more about the Tamron 17-70mm f/2.8: adorama.rfvk.net/7BQng
What team are you on - team zoom lens or prime lens?
Hello mate isn’t the A7C a small full frame body and the Tamron 17-70 an APS-C lens? Did you set your camera on crop mode? Would be interesting to know because the Portraits you took at 70mm would then more be like taking it with a 105mm lens on full frame and so on. Thanks a lot 😎
Thoroughly enjoyed this video. Most photographers are familiars with these tips, however they are necessary reminders. Its fascinating to see familiar poses look natural! Kudos to the model & terrific photography.
Good job Pye. I was familiar with most of what you said, but there is a real value in hearing it again and seeing a photographer but those principles to such good results. Thanks.
The newer f/2.8 zooms are very good. Honestly f/2.8 is probably going to give you all the bokeh you need at anything above 40mm focal length. I used to have a beautiful Nikkor 85 1.4 and honestly it was an issue, shooting at 1.4 the DOF is so shallow that the eyes are in focus but the tip of the nose and the ears getting soft! Stop that thing to f2.8 and you had all the bokeh you could handle. So the quality of the zoom becomes the reason why they have a bad rap, as well as that most zooms people have experience with are kit cheapos, or in the old days even expensive ones were f/4 or slower (looking at you Zeiss!) With a Sigma Art or a Sony G and some Tamrons like this, the glass is very good so that's not an issue. May be in the minority but I do like the effect of very wide angle portraits sometimes, and there is where you need a prime that goes wider than 2.8 for bokeh.
What a lovely model! Great job folks.
Just ordered this lens for my apsc and now even more excited to play with it.
The photos, especially the close-up ones, look much, much bettet without the retouching effect.
I said the same thing because after the retouching she looks like she Bella in The movie twilight
agree..
Agree
Excellent video 😊!
Some other reviewers discovered softness at 70mm, 2.8 using this lens. Not the case here. I'm wondering if using full frame in crop mode made a difference ??
Above all, you have a beautiful model :) I also like your post-processing. I am considering a tamron 17-70 for my a6700 as a second body to an a7rv with a 1.4 prime lens for wedding photography. I think this light combo will provide a lot of advantages in finding nice moments during the wedding day.
This was a great video. Really enjoyed it and learned a lot.
Great tutorial on how to work with these limitations very insightful.
3:29 that guy in the back perfectly framed by her 😅
Awesome tips, thank you for the lesson!
Great video would you get the same results with a Canon 750d
for wedding photos, is 2,8 to thin of focus? (Portraits)
So is there an advantage to using this lens on a full frame camera such as the a7C in crop mode against say an a6400 APS-C that this lens is designed for??? A few people have asked this very question in the comments. An answer would be great. Thanks, Peter.
You will capture more light per pixel, but will have fewer pixels. So you'll get a 12 MP picture on an a7C instead of 24MP on an a6400.
So to answer the question, MAYBE. The only real benefit will be that stray photons will be averaged on bigger pixels... but good software might be able to remove those in post on smaller pixels while also using the extra resolution to increase sharpness.
I think it really comes down to glass quality for the resolution you want, whether or not you wish to fully utilize the full-frame sensor's larger size, price, and lens size/weight considerations. Hope that helps.
For video? Maybe if you want an affordable, compact fast zoom setup
For stills? It's almost pointless.
Hi,
I’m planning to buy this lens ( 17-70 2.8 tamron ) specifically for wedding photography, covering both the ceremony and reception. My camera body is the Sony a6400. Previously, I used the Sony 18-105mm f/4 lens, but I found it lacking in sharpness. Could you please recommend a suitable lens that would provide better image quality for these types of events?
Thank you!
Recomiendas este lente va el sigma 18-50
Thanks for reviewing the lens in real life. I have a small note about it. The portraits looked better in RAW format compared to after editing 💙💙
Great tips, model and hairstyle (reminds me of the character Blaine Edwards played by Damon Wayans)!
If I have sony 16 50 kit lense and sigma 30mm will you suggest this lense Tamron 17 70?
very informative! thank you :)
Nice presentation BUT you kinda messed up not stating that the lens is apsc only and you ran the camera in cropped mode.
You only sacrifice resolution, 12MP instead of 24MP. I'd say the images shown are sufficiently sharp even at 12MP. Keep in mind most high end APS-C lenses top out at a resolution of ~16MP (though good software like DxO's DeepPRIME will probably be able to extract more resolution with a 24MP image).
This 17-70 you are using is an APS-C lens? Right. If so, despite the loss of pixels, your photos of your model are nice and sharp. Also, your model should be happy with your shots as she looks alive.
I have learned so many things from you! Thanks for all the amazing tutorials and videos. ❤❤❤
Hello sir. Can you tell us the image and video coming out from a7iii paired with this 17-70mm apsc lens. Looking forward
Beautiful model - great images! How does the IQ of this lens match up with the IQ of the Tamron 28-75mm at the longer focal lengths?
Isn't this lens ideally made for apsc. Wasn't there any vignetting when using on full frame a7c ?
The camera was definitely used in crop mode, so the results should be about 10.6MP photos
@@TheJaniable but bokeh is total different with used FF, focus the same
Hi, did you use this lens on your full frame camera, but did you use the option to crop or did you use a full frame? if this was full frame why i didnt see a vignette? hope you can answer this lens is a wonderful solution for me!! thanks
I thought this lens is for non fx cameras, good to knw its also compatible for fx :)
You’re a great photographer
Looking for a camera and lens to purchase for all around and found this video. Super helpful tips, I was just looking for a review on the Tamron 17-70mm. I am trying to decide between that and the Sigma 18-50mm f2.8. I don't own a camera, so I am not sure if I'll miss the extra 20mm from 50 on the sigma to 70mm on the Tamron. Do you think it is worth it the extra price? My main goal is to take photos of the family and kids when we go out on trips. Of course, some landscape too, to get the nice views of vacation places.
DID U GET TAMTON OR SIGMA?
@@saiyanieee ended up going with the tamron and it works great.
@@o.rafaelmouracomo te va con los colores y nitidez en 70mm
17-70 2.8. That one lens is enough to cover an entire wedding.
I agree. It’s the same as having that 24-105 f4.
@@jamesjackson4264 no, it’s equivalent to a 25.5mm-105mm f/2.8 lens. Crop factor only affects the focal length and the depth of field, not the actual light entering the lens.
@@unluckyraven101 agree. I noticed I get a stop of light with full frame.
Kinda wish that DxO reviewed this lens so we could see the T-stops vs. other Sony APS-C lenses.
Love the video
Can Tamron 17-70mm F2.8 give the same result as 3 separate lenses SIGMA 16mm 1.4 / SIGMA 30mm 1.4 / SIGMA 56mm 1.4? Sony a6400. I want to use it for portraits
what did you go for?
Please explain editing also
Perfect... Just what I've been waiting for.... Can't wait to get mine anf hope it doesn't disappoint.. ✌
Awesome! It's a fantastic lens!
Pye made photography simple and not crave for more gears
I wonder how much vignette you get on FF?
Probably a lot. This lens can produce vignetting even in crop mode
Awesome video
Hi Pye, I have a high school football game to photograph this Friday. It's at 3pm here in SoCal. Would you bring 70-200 f2.8 or 100-400 5.6?
Awesome Pye
Is 17 to 70 a fullframe lens
No. However, it's equivalent to a full-frame at approximately 25-105mm. What makes the Tamron special is the f2.8 maximum aperture. Many lenses in this range are f4.
@@williamborges3914 on a crop body though it turns into about an f4
@@Rzerac correct. It turns into a f4 for DOF but not for light.
@@jamesjackson4264 you can thank people like Tony Northrup for misinforming the masses. 2.8 is 2.8 is 2.8 regardless if it’s medium format, full frame, aps-c, or micro 4/3.
@@williamborges3914 I can't understand why it is not a full-frame lens. It has an E-mount. And Sony A7iii has an E-mount. Wouldn't these two go together? Wouldn't I have 17-70mm on a Sony A7iii?
A bit overexposed after the editing I think. Thanks for the tips.
That lens looks sharp! At least to my untrained eyes :)
Still no third party lenses for Nikon Z series 😭😭
It's coming down the pipe. Be patient. 👍🏼
The 85mm is one. But the rest are coming.
@@jamesjackson4264 you mean third party 85mm S lens is available in the market?
@@lazytraveller8309 yea viltrox makes a 85mm 1.8. It’s been getting good reviews also.
@@jamesjackson4264 but I already have S 85mm 1.8🤪
Remember @17mm you are photographing where you are, and @100mm you are photographing who you are.
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How to get great shots ?
Get yorself a model and you can take aceptable headshots at 24mm !!!
Vs singma 18-50 f2.8 dc dn go go
You would look do much better without the combover
This guy is much too clever for his own good!!! Using an aps-c lens on a full frame body, he is effectively increasing his focal length for that pleasing look and bokeh!!!!
It doesnt technically increases his focal length. it only crops the picture to get the sense of a more zoomed in and the bokeh is technically the same as you would get on a FF lens
Sorry, but unless you've manged to change the laws of physics, that's not correct. A focal length remains the same regardless of the sensor size. If you have a crop sensor camera and a full-frame camera and you take a picture from the same distance using the same lens and then crop the full-frame picture to match the framing of the crop sensor, you will end up with the same picture. On the other hand, if you take those same two cameras and use different focal lengths in order to approximate the same field of view, you will end up with two different images, that have a different depth of field as well as background compression (e.g. using a 50mm lens on the full-frame and a 30-35mm on the crop sensor). Because the full-frame is using a longer focal range, it will render a thinner depth of field.
That is apsc lens so you were getting 10mpx shots.
I bet pye likes to eat Pie
I like to eat Pie
Doing a review of a lens for an APSC with an FF camera is pretty stupid isn't it? Different bokeh, different focus, etc.
Not really. The bokeh is identical because the light behaves the same as on an APS-C body, only difference being that the FF camera is in crop mode. Focus points will be more limited due to the crop, but all of Sony's high end FF cameras high an absurd amount of focus points, so I doubt that'll be a practical issue (one might even benefit from focus points now at the extreme edge of the frame).
As far as pixel size goes, the total surface area is the same in crop mode as it is on an APS-C camera, so that's not an issue. The resolution does drop from 24MP to 12MP which doesn't fully utilize the lens' resolution, but high end APS-C lenses typically max out around ~16MP, so not much is lost there. What is lost is the ability to do AI upscaling with software like DxO's DeepPRIME which benefits from the 24MP even if the lens doesn't resolve that much resolution.
Also, the price, size, and weight considerations are important to many.
First video where I did not like even one shot by pie. Most of his teachings on tiktok were not applied here to make better shots. Please start using the tips you preach to gather following on tiktok on these videos to up their level.
Great video as usual
Hi,
I’m planning to buy this lens ( 17-70 2.8 tamron ) specifically for wedding photography, covering both the ceremony and reception. My camera body is the Sony a6400. Previously, I used the Sony 18-105mm f/4 lens, but I found it lacking in sharpness. Could you please recommend a suitable lens that would provide better image quality for these types of events?
Thank you!