Yes.Employees don't want back in the offices! Why waste money on transport, pollute, waste time on commute,plus people are more productive and efficient. People's routines changed....
Yes especially with it being clear the climate crisis isn’t being dealt with appropriately. Unless they pay people for commute time & gas costs no one will want to drive back and forth wasting 40+mins a day
It’s a mindset and management style flip employers need to make. Middle management also needs to cut out the ass-kissing and fluff service. And employees need to get comfortable with the word “no”.
I can guarantee you tech (or office workers in general) did NOT vote for increased "collaborative workspace environment" layouts, such as the ones being shown here. These were dreamt up by higher leadership who do not understand or care about the true productivity of the worker. I worked at a company that drank the kool-aid about CWE, and workers somehow benefitting for constant noise, distraction, and constant chaos of multiple conversations going on while you were trying to focus and concentrate. The cubicle farm was absolutely more conducive to productivity and innovation, as people were actually allowed to think and concentrate. Collaboration was not hindered, as dm'ing colleagues, or getting up and physically communicating with teammates was always an option. The architects who push "flexible workstations" do not care about about health and disease spread ramifications, resulting from different people using the same space each day. The upshot from this nonsense is that: greater numbers of employees will prioritize working from home,
I was going to say that. My job is designing office furniture and almost every person wants a larger area and glass screens. They don’t want to feel too close to people and want easy to clean stations.
Exactly. They used to have these things called desk phones. You could pick it up and call whomever you needed to, to "collaborate." You could even have conference calls. Cubicles weren't perfect, but they afforded a degree of privacy and the ability to be productive without too many interruptions.
People want to fart bump and eat their smelly food at their desk with some degree of privacy in a cubicle. Open collaborative plans are stressful and prone to gossip/spying
Cool. But I don't think any amount of pretty architecture and yoga ball chairs will replace what needs to change the most: quality of life. 40 hours a week, driving to the office five days a week, and often being forced into overtime, driving back and forth in a small fortune on wheels is not healthy for anyone. Healthy and well people are productive people.
@@davidmiletic6647 The place I work owns their own parking lot, so there's no charge for parking for the employees who do go into the office. In many cities (including European cities), a business will be located in a densely packed city block where parking is very hard to come by. If you can't use public transportation (or choose not to), you may have no choice but to use a privately owned parking lot that charges you for the space. If you've never heard of this, then I'm guessing you have spent your entire life living in the middle of nowhere, lol
@@DavidCourtney hah, I totaly understand that, and I was living abroad quite a while BTW. I just understood that he pays his employer for the parking space...
They talk a lot about listening to what people want, but a good 90%+ of those designs were still open-space where you can hear, and be distracted by, everyone else in the area. Seems to me they didn't listen much, since the lack of distractions is one of the main reasons people are more productive working from home. Seems like they're still designing for (and only listening to) extreme extroverts, and don't care about everyone else.
i think ur missing the point. They r designing for the future where some people work at home, while others in office. They r designing an office space that is open floor plan/collaborative because most workers who come in only for the need of team meetings/collaboration. Therefore, there won't be much need for personal work spaces. Even if someone who comes in does need a more private/personal workspace, then they can use the conference rooms.
Can't help but think that this is also partially driven by commercial real estate developers and architects fighting for their lives since remote work may mean the end of bespoke HQ mega projects... 🤔
And the mayors/city officials begging business leaders to require employees to go to the office to save the taxes and small businesses dependent on office workers.
@@pbnjtamwichfpv I have exceeded my billable hours for the last two years… I don't want to return to the office, not because I am lazy, but that it allows me to spend the 1.5 hour commute with my family and save on gas and maintenance.
@@Lsims53 should have thought about that before you decided to live where you live. No one told you to live 1.5 hours away from the office. That’s stupidity and laziness lol.
@@pbnjtamwichfpv I live 45 minutes away from the office with traffic, 1.5 hours total. Either way, your argument is stupid and lazy. You didn’t address the issue that many workers are equally if not more proficient from home. It seems to me as if you are either projecting your laziness on others or you don’t have a job that allows you to work remotely and are envious.
They can make it as fancy as they want. They can pay for my gas and my maintenance to get me to the office. But at the end of the day, I'd rather work from home. Simple as that. Use that space for affordable living instead.
Exactly. These companies clinging to this outdated idea of luring people back for no practical reason will be dinosaurs sooner than later. Imagine if after email took off local post offices wasted millions on making their buildings more "welcoming and collaborative to lure customers back to sending snail mail." Same with banks when online banking took off. Instead of fighting technology, they embraced it. No one would ever choose to go back to standing in line at the post office or bank when better, more efficient methods are available. Not even if the interiors were redesigned by fancy architects.
I thought cubicles created more efficient workers based on new studies rather than open concepts. I know as a engineer I work better when not bothered, so working from home is better. Using correct methodologies and hiring critical thinkers is better than making more spaces like this. I end up working more at home because I know that when I'm done I am already home.
It's like if the Post Office tried to fight against email. Thankfully the USPS embraced technology and convenience and thus still lives on to this day.
As long as it remains the 100% voluntary, it’s fine. Otherwise, all of this comes at considerable cost to the employee (time, gas, meals, and vehicular maintenance - or transit costs) and the environment (increased air pollution). All of this would’ve been great pre-pandemic where inflation was pretty much fixed at 2% and housing costs were a bit more stable.
Do you really think working from home is better for the environment? Concentrated areas actually causes less emissions. Everyone at home running their PC and air conditioning all days isn’t that bad environmentally friendly. Neither is people far away from each other but still expecting things like pumped water, electricity, paved roads, garbage disposals and more
Employees must never be forced to work from an office. If the daily work can be achieved while working from our homes, then it literally makes no sense for a person to unnecessarily commute to an office building to do the same work. Period
It shocks me how inflexible companies are . Some of these offices give workers absolutely no space or privacy of their own. Some of the desks I'm watching here have workers shoulder to shoulder. When one person comes in sick the whole office gets it. At least try placing a divider btwn employees.
And don't get me started on the noise, noise, noise, noise! Corporations want to gaslight us into going to an "office" when in reality they shove us in an open room with sometimes hundreds of other people talking at once. If they really want us in offices, perhaps they should build real offices where EVERY worker has four full walls (not half walls, not cubicle walls) and a door that closes.
I don’t miss feeling self conscious about my appearance as a woman. I don’t miss being talked down to or folks expecting me to be dumber because I’m black. I don’t miss getting sick from being around people who have animals like cats and being a ton of dander into the office. I don’t miss working in the office at all. A ton of stress interacting with people who barely accept me in a country that has contempt for black people generally will not be missed.
THIS. There's no amount of "libraries" or "open collaborative spaces" that will make me want to put up with the discrimination that so many of us face when having to physically go into the office. Our mental health is so much better when we (BW) in particular can WFH.
I don't mind coming back for hybrid because my job requires some in-office work. But that means I get a fixed desk with some privacy. These open-office nightmares look like they would appeal to preschoolers not adults expected to get real work done. If this is their answer I would much rather stay at home. If you want me to come back please treat me as an adult. I love the idea of the drop-in offices where even us lowly cubicle workers could have offices for quiet and focused work but I don't want lockers or hot-desking or bean bag chairs I'm not 12. If an executive wouldn't work in that kind of an environment we don't want it either. Conference rooms, hallways, and small rooms with cubicles are plenty collaborative while still allowing privacy and respect.
let’s be real, employees don’t really care about office space aesthetics as much as they care about free food. free lunch and snacks will surehandedly lure employees back into the office, but no company wants to admit that or take on that amenity. Instead it’s gimmicky floorplans that’ll get boring and fizzle out..
No, having constant snacks just makes you fat and more depressed. I save WAY more money not commuting and having the energy to cook my own food and exercise. Free food at work is usually some bulk snacks from Costco and delivery from a garbage chain like Panera or worse, pizza, once a week at most.
@@M123Xoxowell clearly i'm not speaking to you, i'm speaking on the majority of people whom are more enticed by free food than a gimicky office space.
Even if free food is offered, it’s just used again as an incentive to keep Employees working longer/overtime at the office. I have food at the house ✌🏽.
Honestly, these people completely missed the entire point of telecommuting. Offices help no one, not even teams. I'm too lazy to describe it, but we have the perfect remote work setup. And the office will, sooner rather than later, be gone. Not unexpectedly, the owners of the building are struggling because we're not the only company downsizing their spaces.
Having a collaborative work environment is important, but it doesn’t have to be mandatory. Unless we have holograms or other Star Trek tech it’s going to be around for a while.
@@KRYMauL I disagree somewhat. Any business with more than one or two employees requires collaboration or it will fail. I do agree that offices per se will be around. We'll have a "space" as well, but it's not going to be an office. It'll be storage - spare parts and the like, as well as some paperwork. Teams like IT, finance and the like will still meet - at their own schedule, and in their own chosen location. Me personally, I still go to the office every day and log in to the virtual office from there. Why? Mostly not interested in "work/life balance" woke snowflake BS. I _am_ in favor of getting rid of _our_ office because it'll save a crapton of money. Money which the owner can spend on expanding the business.
@@wombatdk Work/life balance is literally just people wanting to return to life in a pre-industrial world. That’s all the Millennial dream of remote work and walkability relies on. I do agree, though being in an office is important for making connects and getting experience.
I went to office one day this month. As I was walking a block to catch the bus, I saw the bus go by. The bus was early. I turned around to walk in the opposite direction about 4 blocks to catch another bus. That bus was late. When I got to the subway, the train was delayed. I realized in that moment going thru this commuter craziness on a daily basis has to take years off a person's life.
Why are we still building open offices if we want workers to come back to offices? Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that open offices are extremely unpopular. I'd personally love something more intentional where there are actual offices for getting work done and open collaborative spaces for collaborating. Open offices are an in-between ground that in my opinion does neither of those things well.
Open offices are a great tool for management to monitor who is actually coming into the office on their scheduled days. Many industries are suffering right now with these hybrid positions. Employees are instructed to come in the office 1-3 days per week, but stay home.
True reason for open offices is that they are cheapest way. The more people you can cram in the same floor space and less permanent structures like walls you have cheaper it is to build and rent...
Collab office is just a fancy way of cramming more employees into an office space by removing partitions and making employees sit as close together as possible. They have to bring back the cube. Make it a cube with a lot of space so they don’t feel cramped. Not everyone needs to talk to other people when working. In fact most people want peace and quiet or listen to music while they work. Not everyone can WFH. We need people to work in the office or society would collapse. Health Care professionals, Retail Workers, Restaurant workers, Police, Fire Fighters, Airline Industry (pilots, cabin crew, ground staff, ATC, TSA, Ticket Counter, etc), Construction Workers, Logistics, etc. When I think about all the people who must go to work. I have no problems going into the office when required.
Offices are full of distractions and you spend half the day on zoom calls. You can do that at home. However I’m open to heading into an office a few times a quarter for meetings and syncs.
Exactly, the distractions are so ridiculous. Noise cancellation headphones only do so much. I have this one coworker whose loud cell phone notifications go off about 60 times a day ( I’ve counted them one time).
02:20 40 minutes of commuting daily... what ?! ... is everyone living like in 100 meters from work ?! Even when one lives in a town in 10 km from office it may take 1h*2=2h or so and it's only commute. But you also should include daily time to prepare for going to work and to switch from work when coming back to home. So overall it's like minus 2.5-3h daily from your life. For bigger cities I guess it's even bigger.
The US and Canada is terrible when it comes commute culture, there isn’t nearly enough mixed use spaces and most of the public transit is large commuter rail park n rides.
@@KRYMauL Part of that's because large areas of the country have no public transit, because they're not dense enough to make it work. Living an hour away from your workplace is normal for many people, as is having to drive to get to it. Even biking's not realistically possible for many people.
@@KRYMauL You have no clue what you're talking about. There's never been public transport in my county and most of the good jobs are (and always were) 45 mins to an hour away. That's been true in my town since its founding 150+ years ago. Most of the state, outside the large cities, are the same and this is true of many US states. Public transport won't work in areas like this, things are too spread out and population density is too low. Also, most suburbs never had public transport. Norman Rockwell painted what was already there.
@@ManabiLT I was talking about the streetcar suburbs that go into make suburban areas, and yes a true regional rail and bus system can service very far into near exurban or even rural areas.
As a 20-something worker, this flexibility looks more like my uni days- on campus, there were a dozen different locations and spaces to choose from to work, or you could just pack up and work from home, no one was telling you how to work. Glad the office is finally catching up…
This is a great analogy. Sometimes you can't be asked, and just want to stay in bed with the laptop on your lap. Other times, you'll be in the office at 9am sharp ready to collabroate/work. Full flexibility is essential!
It looks like a room designed for preschoolers. It's insulting they think seasoned workers are so stupid that this adult daycare would somehow "lure" them back in. Not in a million years.
Why on earth after a pandemic would people want more shared spaces, wouldn't they want fewer shared spaces so they would be less likely to transmit an airborne virus... since covid is still a thing and we are ONE unfortunate variant away from being back to 2020.
People who don't have real friends want to force others into an office so they have someone to talk to. They expect their coworkers to provide their social needs because they don't know how to go out and make friends as an adult. It's sad really, that people are so desperate they think forcing people to socialize with them will result in real friends. PSA: coworkers and subordinates are not your friends. They're also not pets you can keep around for company.
Companies should have a hybrid model rather than asking employees to work from the office or from home. Employees meeting a couple times a week or a month could be enough depending on the job.
Don't worry there'll be another pandemic coming along soon to a city near you. Sleepy Joe already talked about the next pandemic. So they will make another one soon enough. So more lock downs and passports and etc.
I say if you working on the office working nomadic or working from your home is the best way because you have a lot more freedom and you save a lot of money because you don't need a babysitter.. plus you can live out of your van or RV and travel as you work..
If you are +1 hour away from the office, I doubt this is going to change much. However, if you live within a reasonable distance, I believe this will entice more people to go back; especially if they miss the social connection at work.
"Hotel Desks" is the trend. You basically book a desk if you're traveling for however long you need. Its pretty nice if you have to commute to different cities especially if your entire work day could consist of meetings.
Make sure to bring your bottle of disinfectant to wipe down the desk each day. There's no telling what viruses or phlegm was sneezed all over the space you are going to touching all day.
The "open cough" workplace. LOL. I remember all those times i used to come to work in the office even though I was sick. I would pop some pills to hide the symptoms and then go to the office and spread sickness. At least back then we had cubicles to help contain it. Now every droplet will float right to your neighbor in the "open cough" workplace.
Seems like 99% of the comments here are coming from employees, not employers. And smart employers hear you loud and clear. I own a small business with about 20 employees. I'm also an extrovert. When the pandemic hit and we all moved out of our offices, I was devastated and lonely. In some ways, I still am. But I'm also smart enough to "read the room" and several things were clear... Our team was doing a great job from home. Productivity was up. Collaboration wasn't an issue. In fact, I find it easier to communicate via Zoom, where anybody can quickly share their screens when needed, calls can be recorded for future reference, etc. Surveys indicated our team would be open to a hybrid model. So in July 2021, we opened our office but there was no mandate to come to the office - it was purely optional. Guess what? Nobody showed up. Nobody. I should add we have a cool "agency" office setting a great area of the city. We also have several employees in walking distance. But nobody came. The message was received loud and clear. We are now committed to being a fully remote company now, and into the future. As a result, we now have employees and clients all across the country. Am I still lonely. Yes!! But my personal loneliness isn't a reason to demand that our team come back to a physical office. We were smart enough to "read the room" and adapt to the new work landscape. In just 2-3 years, the concept of a physical office has become almost quaint, dated, and completely unnecessary. Almost like when we transitioned from film cameras to digital cameras. So why then are these tech companies hell bent on trying to lure employees back to the office? I can't be sure, but I have a hunch it has to do with real estate. While my small business was paying rent (good riddance), many larger companies own their own buildings and ghost towns aren't valuable. Apple invested billions into their crazy spaceship office and they don't want to leave it sitting empty, only worth a fraction of their original investment. So I think that's the reason they are trying to convince workers to come back. They are determined to make their real estate seem viable and necessary. However I think this strategy will hurt them in the long run. All of the best workers want the ultimate flexibility. Only the mediorcre workers will accept on-site positions. Companies that support 100% remote work will attract the best talent and have lower overhead due to lack of office-related expenses. They will thrive as a result. It will be interested to watch the next 5-10 years to see how this all pans out.
It feels like this is snapping up to be a battle between the extroverts (who typically float up to management) vs introverts who mainly wanna be left alone to accomplish their tasks. Has it occurred to these companies that a significant portion of their workers did their best work once most of the other workers were gone in the pre-covid times?
I've been involved with 3 campus expansions since 2019. Main drivers are capital allocation for tax benefits, creating a desirable subsidiary for sale, and vanity projects. I've yet to be involved with an HQ new build/reno where recruitment, retainment or productivity are the drivers. Creating a place where service employees might work and might be more productive doesn't compute. Nearly every company that needs it's employees in the office has done so and this goes back to summer 2020. I'd rather see an analysis on the industry/specialty where this MiGhT be relevant. In my geographic area there have been 2 industries that pulled their corporate people in last year, banks and Defense. Both hybrid models. If they do an analysis on small companies that consult in IT/construction/etc. and their onsite/remote work policy that'd interest me. CNBC definitely has the pulse of the here and now professional's mind. Love their clips even if I have strong feelings that this one only covered a big corps hybrid model POV.
We already had such a high turnover rate where I work before the pandemic... This year, management was so curious as to why it increased when they forced us to be in the office for 3 days? They thought we would love to come back especially since they spent a lot on this redesigning... We're also not even a tech company lol
You know what employees want? Their own desk and space like a human being. Not this "flex-space" BS. And NO ONE is coming into the office unless they are being absolutely forced to. "We found that people missed their colleagues" yeah absolutely not. The whole point of working from home is to sleep in, not have to commute, or get dressed, or play office politics, and be able to do chores and things around the house during the day. Nothing about going into the office is going to bring together "the best of both worlds" P.S. Intuit needs a new collaborative space so they can figure out innovative ways to steal from hardworking Americans who are just trying to file their taxes.
That's a management issue. If management can't do their job and fire people who don't perform, I don't know what to say. No one else should be punished and forced into an office because of one or two slackers. Usually management doesn't want to fire the slackers because they don't want to admit they made a bad hire.
Yeah...this all looks lovely, but as a programmer, I want to work from home 100% of the time. * I have my 38" monitor. Nothing is going to beat that * I don't have to commute, which immediately saves me 3 hours of my time and $5K just on my train ticket alone * I don't have to spend a lot of money on my wardrobe * While this personally doesn't affect me, for many, the ability to not be tied to the city in which your office is located means you save a ton of money. I know co-workers who have left the city. I know some who have left the country! Adding bean bag chairs and coffee machines and trees in the middle of the building are great, but just from not having to commute and not having to live in an expensive city can save you as much as $20K a year or more. About two years ago, I programmed for a very famous company (Let's just say our previous president loved them) and the building was designed by a famous architect. It had an open botanical area where rain water would hit the plants and trees from the outside (even though it was inside). You could sit on the second floor and watch people running to catch the train while you worked. It had sleeping areas and sitting areas with palm trees. It had so much. You know where I did my work? At my desk! At the end of the day, at least for me, if I'm actually getting serious work done, I need 1. a desk, 2 a big monitor, 3. quiet/no distractions (unless I'm collaborating with someone).
Oh how I hate those long desks where you work shoulder to shoulder with people, and even more if there is another desk right in front with another line of people.
What the workers want is asense of fulfillment, job security, reduced mental stress, fixed working hours( no calls after these hours), better leadership, and feeling that they can climb up the ladder not stagnate and feel their education and capabilities are useless, if the training they have is not enough a way to improve upon that. And reasonable pay for the efforts and time they put in. (Not minimal wage -thats what they call corporate greed)
BETC HAVAS in Brazil just opened a hybrid book shop, art gallery, coffee shop and restaurant open to general public but some places for employees only. There is also meeting room and a rooftop bar. It's very casual, placed at the most luxurious street in Brazil.
What about a breakfast station with free breakfast so I can still wake up relatively late and not stuff food down my throat. And a taser station at every desk so I can incapacitate anybody that annoys me and prevents me from working, unnecessarily, too much times.
I love how social distancing is now out the window and workers will be on top of each other with those tiny desks. I hate whoever came up with those tiny desks. You should get your whatever degree you have revoked and be extradited.
You aren't tested until a company you own and believe in is down 30-40-50% from its highs. You will question your conviction, your strategy, your process. The market has a way of finding your breaking point. Nothing tests your conviction like falling stock prices
@@marianparker7502 These days the best way to come into the market space is with patience and seeking guidance when necessary. For instance, due to the nature of my job, I can’t handle my portfolio so I just copy the market picks of ''Nicole Ann Sabin'', an Advisor i saw on Bloomberg business news. It’s been smooth since then. I have saved myself all the hassle that chaotic market causes.
@@wiebeplatt4749 It'S not the first time someone had advised on this. I need guide in order to salvage what remains of my DOW stock raked by the massive dips. I'll appreciate if I get details with which I can reach Ms Nicole.
@@ElijahOyekunle Most people who work from home are not tech employees. HR, finance, accounting, management, sales, phone customer service, and IT support exist at EVERY kind of company. These are all roles that can be done 100% from home.
@@M123Xoxo So, these companies should take the one-time office redesign fees, and use them to raise employee salaries across the board (which are NOT one-time). How much impact does that have on the average employee?
Open space is horror for those who actually try to focus and get the work done. The architects that draw such designs have absolutely no clue what the workers really need.
05:38 - 06:05 "...new concept, our employees have choices..." :) I see nothing which would differ from usual (not even very modern) office. Why it is presented like something innovative ?!
I turned down a pay raise & promotion because it required me to give up telework. No amount of redesign can compete w a 30 second commute, working in my pajamas, not worrying about lunch theft, the option to either have complete silence or blast a podcast / music & enjoying the comfort of my emotional support puppy when I'm stressed. But the #1 perk of working from home is that I don't have to talk to people.
Open concept work areas are the worst. It’s over stimulating and you feel mentally exhausting at the end of the day. You could do the same exact work from home and not feel that drained. Give people their own office with a door and they might come in.
This just looks like the layout at Intel with more color. If we have another pandemic and we will, disease will spread throughout this environment like wildfire, with workspaces so small and people so close to each other. Besides at home you have more privacy, something this designer basically forgot. You can’t work in glassed in areas all the time, we used to call them Fish Bowls and you had to get on the schedule to use one.
Don’t want a fancy building that looks like a college, don’t want skate board park, don’t want group activities at a race track, don’t wanna group hug, don’t want free coffee or a coffee bar, I just want to get my job done and go home to be with my family. Because I don’t really like you people, and the truth is you people really don’t like me. Pay me money, I’m always dropping resumes and I go to the highest bitter, and let me work from home. If not I’ll find someone who will.
This BS about the need for collaboration driving the need for face to face office space is laughable. Are they saying that for the past 2 years when we were working from home, that there was absolutely no“collaboration” ? What rubbish ! If anything, the number of virtual meetings I had during lockdown far surpassed the number of meetings I have attended before covid hit - in 2 years of work from home, I have had about 10X (1000%) more meetings than I had in-person meetings over the preceding 7 years before covid ! Thanks, I will continue to work from home. Enjoy the new paint scheme at the office, suckers !
Wonder why they needed inconvenient lockers on the end of rows...there should already be a locker per desk nearby...better to use that space to give more room per desk instead
Office employees do about 3hrs of work when they’re in the office, filling the rest of their time with busy work. At home they do the same amount but finish before lunch so they can golf for the rest of the day.
I’ll go back into the office when my company provides amenities like Google, Meta, and Apple. Free food, massage therapists, gyms, and sleep pods are a few top of mind.
What do people want in the workplace? A paycheck, the bigger the better. If they have to sit in a cubicle all day, everyday, that's what they'll do because they have to. Back when most people made a living on a family farm they worked from home and the children worked there, too. No child labor laws, no daycare, no weak bonds between parents and children; mother and father were always there, watching, teaching, directing, collaborating all together to make it work to survive. I think many of us would like to live that structure, just not on a farm. I managed a 40-year career working from home as a commercial space planner of mostly office space which is why I clicked on this video. I'd have to sit down with management to understand their needs first, but all this does not seem to be how most people want to work. Mostly it's too noisy and visually distracting. It also does not have that sense of this-is-my-personal-space, my home-away-from-home space; there's no individual anchor. Again, I don't know that business or it's employees, but i do know that working at home I could double my productivity on both my business work and my home work. Taking a break emptying the dishwasher instead of jawing away at the water cooler or greeting my child just home from school instead of at the end of the day when we were both tired and stressed. It depends on the business, but I'd say most people would want to work at home.
I'll never go back into an office. Could I please waste 2hrs commuting just so I can work on top of people I don't like, in dress clothes, and spending money on gas and food. Sure sign me up!
If only this were true. Most employers are getting rid of any covid benefits and demanding people go back to the office. It's a lose lose for most employees. Give us free food, coffees, designated break times and separated areas, give us gyms, grocery stores and child care located close to the office. Millennials and zoomers will not wake up at 6am every day, just to commute 3 hours a day and deal with the stress of hopping around a city to get activities of their daily life completed.
Flexible open spaces are definitely not something the workers are asking for. Just something the management pushes on the workers where themselves are keeping their corners offices and their privacy. When top management starts having lockers and flexible spaces, sign me up. Till then: no thanks.
I get more done when I work from home. However, I like the office because I get to socialize and blow off steam. My company says we’re less productive at home which is ridiculous and it is actually the opposite. The people who took multiple jobs working from home ruined the idea for the rest of us. I would prefer a hybrid model or leaving it up to the employee
Oh hell no I’m happy working from home and I’ve been doing that way before the pandemic so not really interested in going into a square space to smell coworkers bad morning breath
would be better to just downsize to an office at a suitable size for the portion of employees who do want to come into the office instead. would likely save money that way. maybe find a way to use that extra space for something else that might bring in some revenue instead. depending on the building maybe you could design it into a shared workspace, retail space, or depending on the initial design of the building maybe you can convert it to residential. probably won't work for building like what Google has though.
I like it because the whole work from home movement is making it easier to stand out by literally just walking in the office. Then at the same time taking Friday afternoons off via flex or new schedules is easier than ever.
No one respected at my company goes into the office. Management and execs don't. Who are you going to impress when you're the only one there? Most people at my company look down on the few people who go in. It's assumed they're having marital problems or hate their home life for some other reason. It's not a badge of honor, it's a red flag.
@@eric4946 You can also stand out by doing the best work you can remotely and being communicative with your team. You know, how things are supposed to work.
Where is the logic in thinking that bringing people who are telling you in plain damn English "They want to work from home" to work is the answer??? Even increasing salaries is failing to outweigh the benefits of working from home period. No if and or maybes. We do not want to work from your premises the end. No negotiating or fancy furniture.
You all can redesign the office to look like Willy Wonka Candy factory, and I’m still choosing to work from home as many days as possible. Gas is too high, we don’t care about your 99 year building lease.
If the open collaboration workspace is so great, why isn't the CEO working right in the center of it? Maybe because the constant drone of a dozen conversations makes it hard to concentrate?
I think hybrid and smaller offices are the way to go. Even as an introvert, I need some IRL human interaction. Perhaps I’m the anomaly here but I live alone in a big city with very few close friends. Most of my periphery friends moved out of the city during the pandemic or moved on with their lives (aka children). I’ve only lived in this city for 5 years and 2 years of that was the pandemic. I have been unemployed for half of this time, which has made sustaining friendships difficult as usually my friendships came through my jobs. It’s also harder to make new friends in my mid 30s. Dating has been harder now that I’m older. It’s just way too lonely to work remotely 100% of the time. Plus my upstairs neighbor is noisy af. That said, I only go into the office once a week at present which is enough for me. And I don’t need any fancy office design. Just something quiet and not distracting will do. But also not bleak.
Our office hasn’t changed. Return to the office has been suggested, it’s been insisted we should come in for cultural reasons. Well, when you come, those same people who say that are just attending virtual meetings behind a closed door.
Yes.Employees don't want back in the offices! Why waste money on transport, pollute, waste time on commute,plus people are more productive and efficient. People's routines changed....
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Yes especially with it being clear the climate crisis isn’t being dealt with appropriately. Unless they pay people for commute time & gas costs no one will want to drive back and forth wasting 40+mins a day
It’s a mindset and management style flip employers need to make. Middle management also needs to cut out the ass-kissing and fluff service. And employees need to get comfortable with the word “no”.
My past company insisted that we need to come back to the office. This wasn't the main reason but one of the reasons I switched employees
Real estate and economy of said town will change ( less profitable). They can’t have that.
I can guarantee you tech (or office workers in general) did NOT vote for increased "collaborative workspace environment" layouts, such as the ones being shown here. These were dreamt up by higher leadership who do not understand or care about the true productivity of the worker. I worked at a company that drank the kool-aid about CWE, and workers somehow benefitting for constant noise, distraction, and constant chaos of multiple conversations going on while you were trying to focus and concentrate. The cubicle farm was absolutely more conducive to productivity and innovation, as people were actually allowed to think and concentrate. Collaboration was not hindered, as dm'ing colleagues, or getting up and physically communicating with teammates was always an option. The architects who push "flexible workstations" do not care about about health and disease spread ramifications, resulting from different people using the same space each day. The upshot from this nonsense is that: greater numbers of employees will prioritize working from home,
Agree! I was so happy when my office finally agreed to put walls up on the cubicles. No one was happy with the “open” feel other than management.
I was going to say that. My job is designing office furniture and almost every person wants a larger area and glass screens. They don’t want to feel too close to people and want easy to clean stations.
I was just about to say something about cubicles haha
Exactly. They used to have these things called desk phones. You could pick it up and call whomever you needed to, to "collaborate." You could even have conference calls. Cubicles weren't perfect, but they afforded a degree of privacy and the ability to be productive without too many interruptions.
People want to fart bump and eat their smelly food at their desk with some degree of privacy in a cubicle. Open collaborative plans are stressful and prone to gossip/spying
Cool. But I don't think any amount of pretty architecture and yoga ball chairs will replace what needs to change the most: quality of life. 40 hours a week, driving to the office five days a week, and often being forced into overtime, driving back and forth in a small fortune on wheels is not healthy for anyone. Healthy and well people are productive people.
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exact, they missed the biggest benefit of WFH that the office, no matter how you change it, can't give you, and that's the lack of commute.
Not to mention how you won't have to deal with silly office politics if you're allow to work remotely (at least not face-to-face).
Grow up lol. It’s pretty chill going to work in an office environment. I don’t understand why this is such a big deal.
Even if a company paid for my gas and my commute time, I'd still rather work from the comfort of my own home.
Wait, you dont get paid for traveling to and from work?? (...Laughs in european...)
And can’t forget the hundreds a month on parking costs.
@@miken4622 companies you work at in the US charge you for the parking lot?? Bro...
@@davidmiletic6647 The place I work owns their own parking lot, so there's no charge for parking for the employees who do go into the office. In many cities (including European cities), a business will be located in a densely packed city block where parking is very hard to come by. If you can't use public transportation (or choose not to), you may have no choice but to use a privately owned parking lot that charges you for the space. If you've never heard of this, then I'm guessing you have spent your entire life living in the middle of nowhere, lol
@@DavidCourtney hah, I totaly understand that, and I was living abroad quite a while BTW. I just understood that he pays his employer for the parking space...
They talk a lot about listening to what people want, but a good 90%+ of those designs were still open-space where you can hear, and be distracted by, everyone else in the area. Seems to me they didn't listen much, since the lack of distractions is one of the main reasons people are more productive working from home.
Seems like they're still designing for (and only listening to) extreme extroverts, and don't care about everyone else.
i think ur missing the point. They r designing for the future where some people work at home, while others in office. They r designing an office space that is open floor plan/collaborative because most workers who come in only for the need of team meetings/collaboration. Therefore, there won't be much need for personal work spaces. Even if someone who comes in does need a more private/personal workspace, then they can use the conference rooms.
Can't help but think that this is also partially driven by commercial real estate developers and architects fighting for their lives since remote work may mean the end of bespoke HQ mega projects... 🤔
We could turn them into apartments.
They're literally clinging to this instead of innovating and pivoting to apartments or some other avenue of development.
@@supadave422 I’m sure in the long run all these campuses will turn into university like spaces that are basically their own company town.
And the mayors/city officials begging business leaders to require employees to go to the office to save the taxes and small businesses dependent on office workers.
@@dactylogram82 The reason we need live-work or actual village neighborhoods.
No amount of redesign will ever make me wanna come back into an office
GO BACK TO THE OFFICE AND BACK TO WORK LAZY PEOPLE!!!!!!
@@pbnjtamwichfpv I couldn’t agree with you more. The sense of entitlement is ridiculous.
@@pbnjtamwichfpv I have exceeded my billable hours for the last two years… I don't want to return to the office, not because I am lazy, but that it allows me to spend the 1.5 hour commute with my family and save on gas and maintenance.
@@Lsims53 should have thought about that before you decided to live where you live. No one told you to live 1.5 hours away from the office. That’s stupidity and laziness lol.
@@pbnjtamwichfpv I live 45 minutes away from the office with traffic, 1.5 hours total. Either way, your argument is stupid and lazy. You didn’t address the issue that many workers are equally if not more proficient from home. It seems to me as if you are either projecting your laziness on others or you don’t have a job that allows you to work remotely and are envious.
These office layouts are my nightmare. I hate, hate, hate open concept offices. I can’t focus because it’s just one big playroom.
I've been working from home for years now... I would need a 50% bump in salary to come back to an in person office.
Collaboration is great but at the end of the day, it's completing actual tasks and getting real work done that matters.
They can make it as fancy as they want. They can pay for my gas and my maintenance to get me to the office. But at the end of the day, I'd rather work from home. Simple as that. Use that space for affordable living instead.
Exactly. These companies clinging to this outdated idea of luring people back for no practical reason will be dinosaurs sooner than later. Imagine if after email took off local post offices wasted millions on making their buildings more "welcoming and collaborative to lure customers back to sending snail mail." Same with banks when online banking took off. Instead of fighting technology, they embraced it.
No one would ever choose to go back to standing in line at the post office or bank when better, more efficient methods are available. Not even if the interiors were redesigned by fancy architects.
Best comment!
Nothing will drag me back into any office ever again.
Unemployment would.
@@shivam-aggarwal Do you fear unemployment?
@@boobyhill6921 Not really but I can see myself going back to office if all job listings are work from office though I doubt it would happen.
Free food would be a start
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I thought cubicles created more efficient workers based on new studies rather than open concepts. I know as a engineer I work better when not bothered, so working from home is better. Using correct methodologies and hiring critical thinkers is better than making more spaces like this. I end up working more at home because I know that when I'm done I am already home.
Instead of embracing work at home and shifting with the times they're deciding to fight an uphill battle 🤦♂️
It's like if the Post Office tried to fight against email. Thankfully the USPS embraced technology and convenience and thus still lives on to this day.
lol they're so out of touch
As long as it remains the 100% voluntary, it’s fine. Otherwise, all of this comes at considerable cost to the employee (time, gas, meals, and vehicular maintenance - or transit costs) and the environment (increased air pollution). All of this would’ve been great pre-pandemic where inflation was pretty much fixed at 2% and housing costs were a bit more stable.
Do you think people who come into work are paid less or more? After reading the above expenses…
Do you really think working from home is better for the environment? Concentrated areas actually causes less emissions. Everyone at home running their PC and air conditioning all days isn’t that bad environmentally friendly. Neither is people far away from each other but still expecting things like pumped water, electricity, paved roads, garbage disposals and more
@Organized Chaos “less emissions” Wagey what are you doing out of your cage get back into your cage for the environment. Eat bugs
Narrator: "it would not, in fact, remain 100% voluntary..."
@thesungoes upeveryday Absolutely
Employees must never be forced to work from an office. If the daily work can be achieved while working from our homes, then it literally makes no sense for a person to unnecessarily commute to an office building to do the same work. Period
It shocks me how inflexible companies are . Some of these offices give workers absolutely no space or privacy of their own. Some of the desks I'm watching here have workers shoulder to shoulder. When one person comes in sick the whole office gets it. At least try placing a divider btwn employees.
You mean cubicles? Like the way the traditional workspace was before companies implemented the open layout we know today?
@@funkydankspliff Everyone wants to be in the original move able cubicles.
And don't get me started on the noise, noise, noise, noise! Corporations want to gaslight us into going to an "office" when in reality they shove us in an open room with sometimes hundreds of other people talking at once. If they really want us in offices, perhaps they should build real offices where EVERY worker has four full walls (not half walls, not cubicle walls) and a door that closes.
@@M123Xoxo That would be way too expensive and most of the employees aren’t worth that much.
I don’t miss feeling self conscious about my appearance as a woman. I don’t miss being talked down to or folks expecting me to be dumber because I’m black. I don’t miss getting sick from being around people who have animals like cats and being a ton of dander into the office. I don’t miss working in the office at all. A ton of stress interacting with people who barely accept me in a country that has contempt for black people generally will not be missed.
THIS. There's no amount of "libraries" or "open collaborative spaces" that will make me want to put up with the discrimination that so many of us face when having to physically go into the office. Our mental health is so much better when we (BW) in particular can WFH.
People act like being white is so amazing. Nothing but hip hop culture when I turn on my tv. Grass is always greener….
Great point!
@@SomeDude998nobody believes that but white people 🤷🏾♀️ you all have no culture that’s why you all have been stealing everybody else’s for centuries.
I don't mind coming back for hybrid because my job requires some in-office work. But that means I get a fixed desk with some privacy. These open-office nightmares look like they would appeal to preschoolers not adults expected to get real work done. If this is their answer I would much rather stay at home. If you want me to come back please treat me as an adult. I love the idea of the drop-in offices where even us lowly cubicle workers could have offices for quiet and focused work but I don't want lockers or hot-desking or bean bag chairs I'm not 12. If an executive wouldn't work in that kind of an environment we don't want it either. Conference rooms, hallways, and small rooms with cubicles are plenty collaborative while still allowing privacy and respect.
I would never have a opened office environment.
let’s be real, employees don’t really care about office space aesthetics as much as they care about free food. free lunch and snacks will surehandedly lure employees back into the office, but no company wants to admit that or take on that amenity. Instead it’s gimmicky floorplans that’ll get boring and fizzle out..
This is so true :)))...and sad. Selling your soul for a lunch..
Exactly and most companies are changing the office for a tax break
No, having constant snacks just makes you fat and more depressed. I save WAY more money not commuting and having the energy to cook my own food and exercise. Free food at work is usually some bulk snacks from Costco and delivery from a garbage chain like Panera or worse, pizza, once a week at most.
@@M123Xoxowell clearly i'm not speaking to you, i'm speaking on the majority of people whom are more enticed by free food than a gimicky office space.
Even if free food is offered, it’s just used again as an incentive to keep Employees working longer/overtime at the office.
I have food at the house ✌🏽.
Honestly, these people completely missed the entire point of telecommuting. Offices help no one, not even teams. I'm too lazy to describe it, but we have the perfect remote work setup. And the office will, sooner rather than later, be gone. Not unexpectedly, the owners of the building are struggling because we're not the only company downsizing their spaces.
Not all companies are built the same, nor all workers. In office work will never completely die.
Having a collaborative work environment is important, but it doesn’t have to be mandatory. Unless we have holograms or other Star Trek tech it’s going to be around for a while.
@@KRYMauL I disagree somewhat. Any business with more than one or two employees requires collaboration or it will fail.
I do agree that offices per se will be around. We'll have a "space" as well, but it's not going to be an office. It'll be storage - spare parts and the like, as well as some paperwork. Teams like IT, finance and the like will still meet - at their own schedule, and in their own chosen location.
Me personally, I still go to the office every day and log in to the virtual office from there. Why? Mostly not interested in "work/life balance" woke snowflake BS. I _am_ in favor of getting rid of _our_ office because it'll save a crapton of money. Money which the owner can spend on expanding the business.
@@wombatdk Work/life balance is literally just people wanting to return to life in a pre-industrial world. That’s all the Millennial dream of remote work and walkability relies on. I do agree, though being in an office is important for making connects and getting experience.
@@that9boy Then let us hope it mostly dies.
I went to office one day this month. As I was walking a block to catch the bus, I saw the bus go by. The bus was early. I turned around to walk in the opposite direction about 4 blocks to catch another bus. That bus was late. When I got to the subway, the train was delayed. I realized in that moment going thru this commuter craziness on a daily basis has to take years off a person's life.
Why are we still building open offices if we want workers to come back to offices? Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that open offices are extremely unpopular. I'd personally love something more intentional where there are actual offices for getting work done and open collaborative spaces for collaborating. Open offices are an in-between ground that in my opinion does neither of those things well.
Open offices are a great tool for management to monitor who is actually coming into the office on their scheduled days. Many industries are suffering right now with these hybrid positions. Employees are instructed to come in the office 1-3 days per week, but stay home.
True reason for open offices is that they are cheapest way. The more people you can cram in the same floor space and less permanent structures like walls you have cheaper it is to build and rent...
$6 a gallon for gas and a 2% raise with 9% inflation, employers have no leverage.
Collab office is just a fancy way of cramming more employees into an office space by removing partitions and making employees sit as close together as possible. They have to bring back the cube. Make it a cube with a lot of space so they don’t feel cramped. Not everyone needs to talk to other people when working. In fact most people want peace and quiet or listen to music while they work.
Not everyone can WFH. We need people to work in the office or society would collapse. Health Care professionals, Retail Workers, Restaurant workers, Police, Fire Fighters, Airline Industry (pilots, cabin crew, ground staff, ATC, TSA, Ticket Counter, etc), Construction Workers, Logistics, etc.
When I think about all the people who must go to work. I have no problems going into the office when required.
Offices are full of distractions and you spend half the day on zoom calls. You can do that at home. However I’m open to heading into an office a few times a quarter for meetings and syncs.
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Exactly, the distractions are so ridiculous. Noise cancellation headphones only do so much. I have this one coworker whose loud cell phone notifications go off about 60 times a day ( I’ve counted them one time).
Oh wow, that’s so nice of you to grace us with your presence for a few days during a three month period. Wow. How brave of you! 🤣
2:33 I think I can live with not seeing my "colleagues."
02:20 40 minutes of commuting daily... what ?! ... is everyone living like in 100 meters from work ?!
Even when one lives in a town in 10 km from office it may take 1h*2=2h or so and it's only commute. But you also should include daily time to prepare for going to work and to switch from work when coming back to home.
So overall it's like minus 2.5-3h daily from your life.
For bigger cities I guess it's even bigger.
The US and Canada is terrible when it comes commute culture, there isn’t nearly enough mixed use spaces and most of the public transit is large commuter rail park n rides.
@@KRYMauL Part of that's because large areas of the country have no public transit, because they're not dense enough to make it work. Living an hour away from your workplace is normal for many people, as is having to drive to get to it. Even biking's not realistically possible for many people.
@@ManabiLT Wrong it’s because they demolished all the Public Transit for Norman Rockwell style suburbs.
@@KRYMauL You have no clue what you're talking about. There's never been public transport in my county and most of the good jobs are (and always were) 45 mins to an hour away. That's been true in my town since its founding 150+ years ago. Most of the state, outside the large cities, are the same and this is true of many US states. Public transport won't work in areas like this, things are too spread out and population density is too low.
Also, most suburbs never had public transport. Norman Rockwell painted what was already there.
@@ManabiLT I was talking about the streetcar suburbs that go into make suburban areas, and yes a true regional rail and bus system can service very far into near exurban or even rural areas.
As a 20-something worker, this flexibility looks more like my uni days- on campus, there were a dozen different locations and spaces to choose from to work, or you could just pack up and work from home, no one was telling you how to work. Glad the office is finally catching up…
This is a great analogy. Sometimes you can't be asked, and just want to stay in bed with the laptop on your lap. Other times, you'll be in the office at 9am sharp ready to collabroate/work. Full flexibility is essential!
It looks like a room designed for preschoolers. It's insulting they think seasoned workers are so stupid that this adult daycare would somehow "lure" them back in. Not in a million years.
Why on earth after a pandemic would people want more shared spaces, wouldn't they want fewer shared spaces so they would be less likely to transmit an airborne virus... since covid is still a thing and we are ONE unfortunate variant away from being back to 2020.
People who don't have real friends want to force others into an office so they have someone to talk to. They expect their coworkers to provide their social needs because they don't know how to go out and make friends as an adult.
It's sad really, that people are so desperate they think forcing people to socialize with them will result in real friends. PSA: coworkers and subordinates are not your friends. They're also not pets you can keep around for company.
@@M123Xoxo You're probably right, I believe it.
Companies should have a hybrid model rather than asking employees to work from the office or from home. Employees meeting a couple times a week or a month could be enough depending on the job.
So, we are now admitting we’re Post-Covid?
2022
Hopefully
As far as work place trends, yes.
Don't worry there'll be another pandemic coming along soon to a city near you. Sleepy Joe already talked about the next pandemic. So they will make another one soon enough. So more lock downs and passports and etc.
I say if you working on the office working nomadic or working from your home is the best way because you have a lot more freedom and you save a lot of money because you don't need a babysitter.. plus you can live out of your van or RV and travel as you work..
The only reason to go back to the office is a recession that dramatically increases management’s leverage.
That’s about to start
If you are +1 hour away from the office, I doubt this is going to change much. However, if you live within a reasonable distance, I believe this will entice more people to go back; especially if they miss the social connection at work.
"Hotel Desks" is the trend. You basically book a desk if you're traveling for however long you need. Its pretty nice if you have to commute to different cities especially if your entire work day could consist of meetings.
Make sure to bring your bottle of disinfectant to wipe down the desk each day. There's no telling what viruses or phlegm was sneezed all over the space you are going to touching all day.
No one likes open offices. This will just make people not want to go to the office even more.
Also, I often felt cubicle spaces were demeaning, especially while those in leadership sat nearby in lush offices.
The "open cough" workplace. LOL. I remember all those times i used to come to work in the office even though I was sick. I would pop some pills to hide the symptoms and then go to the office and spread sickness. At least back then we had cubicles to help contain it. Now every droplet will float right to your neighbor in the "open cough" workplace.
Seems like 99% of the comments here are coming from employees, not employers. And smart employers hear you loud and clear. I own a small business with about 20 employees. I'm also an extrovert. When the pandemic hit and we all moved out of our offices, I was devastated and lonely. In some ways, I still am. But I'm also smart enough to "read the room" and several things were clear...
Our team was doing a great job from home. Productivity was up. Collaboration wasn't an issue. In fact, I find it easier to communicate via Zoom, where anybody can quickly share their screens when needed, calls can be recorded for future reference, etc.
Surveys indicated our team would be open to a hybrid model. So in July 2021, we opened our office but there was no mandate to come to the office - it was purely optional. Guess what? Nobody showed up. Nobody. I should add we have a cool "agency" office setting a great area of the city. We also have several employees in walking distance. But nobody came.
The message was received loud and clear. We are now committed to being a fully remote company now, and into the future. As a result, we now have employees and clients all across the country. Am I still lonely. Yes!! But my personal loneliness isn't a reason to demand that our team come back to a physical office. We were smart enough to "read the room" and adapt to the new work landscape. In just 2-3 years, the concept of a physical office has become almost quaint, dated, and completely unnecessary. Almost like when we transitioned from film cameras to digital cameras.
So why then are these tech companies hell bent on trying to lure employees back to the office? I can't be sure, but I have a hunch it has to do with real estate. While my small business was paying rent (good riddance), many larger companies own their own buildings and ghost towns aren't valuable. Apple invested billions into their crazy spaceship office and they don't want to leave it sitting empty, only worth a fraction of their original investment. So I think that's the reason they are trying to convince workers to come back. They are determined to make their real estate seem viable and necessary.
However I think this strategy will hurt them in the long run. All of the best workers want the ultimate flexibility. Only the mediorcre workers will accept on-site positions. Companies that support 100% remote work will attract the best talent and have lower overhead due to lack of office-related expenses. They will thrive as a result.
It will be interested to watch the next 5-10 years to see how this all pans out.
It feels like this is snapping up to be a battle between the extroverts (who typically float up to management) vs introverts who mainly wanna be left alone to accomplish their tasks. Has it occurred to these companies that a significant portion of their workers did their best work once most of the other workers were gone in the pre-covid times?
Me Me Me
I've been involved with 3 campus expansions since 2019. Main drivers are capital allocation for tax benefits, creating a desirable subsidiary for sale, and vanity projects. I've yet to be involved with an HQ new build/reno where recruitment, retainment or productivity are the drivers. Creating a place where service employees might work and might be more productive doesn't compute. Nearly every company that needs it's employees in the office has done so and this goes back to summer 2020. I'd rather see an analysis on the industry/specialty where this MiGhT be relevant. In my geographic area there have been 2 industries that pulled their corporate people in last year, banks and Defense. Both hybrid models. If they do an analysis on small companies that consult in IT/construction/etc. and their onsite/remote work policy that'd interest me. CNBC definitely has the pulse of the here and now professional's mind. Love their clips even if I have strong feelings that this one only covered a big corps hybrid model POV.
We already had such a high turnover rate where I work before the pandemic... This year, management was so curious as to why it increased when they forced us to be in the office for 3 days? They thought we would love to come back especially since they spent a lot on this redesigning... We're also not even a tech company lol
Where do you work?
You know what employees want? Their own desk and space like a human being. Not this "flex-space" BS. And NO ONE is coming into the office unless they are being absolutely forced to. "We found that people missed their colleagues" yeah absolutely not. The whole point of working from home is to sleep in, not have to commute, or get dressed, or play office politics, and be able to do chores and things around the house during the day. Nothing about going into the office is going to bring together "the best of both worlds"
P.S. Intuit needs a new collaborative space so they can figure out innovative ways to steal from hardworking Americans who are just trying to file their taxes.
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Yupp working from home is better but there’s always that one employee that ruins it for everyone ..
That's a management issue. If management can't do their job and fire people who don't perform, I don't know what to say. No one else should be punished and forced into an office because of one or two slackers. Usually management doesn't want to fire the slackers because they don't want to admit they made a bad hire.
Yeah...this all looks lovely, but as a programmer, I want to work from home 100% of the time.
* I have my 38" monitor. Nothing is going to beat that
* I don't have to commute, which immediately saves me 3 hours of my time and $5K just on my train ticket alone
* I don't have to spend a lot of money on my wardrobe
* While this personally doesn't affect me, for many, the ability to not be tied to the city in which your office is located means you save a ton of money. I know co-workers who have left the city. I know some who have left the country!
Adding bean bag chairs and coffee machines and trees in the middle of the building are great, but just from not having to commute and not having to live in an expensive city can save you as much as $20K a year or more.
About two years ago, I programmed for a very famous company (Let's just say our previous president loved them) and the building was designed by a famous architect. It had an open botanical area where rain water would hit the plants and trees from the outside (even though it was inside). You could sit on the second floor and watch people running to catch the train while you worked. It had sleeping areas and sitting areas with palm trees. It had so much. You know where I did my work? At my desk! At the end of the day, at least for me, if I'm actually getting serious work done, I need 1. a desk, 2 a big monitor, 3. quiet/no distractions (unless I'm collaborating with someone).
What a bunch of bs, they want to end working from home. I'll never Go to the office every week again.
How to make your office more valuable? Renovate 😂🤣
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Oh how I hate those long desks where you work shoulder to shoulder with people, and even more if there is another desk right in front with another line of people.
What the workers want is asense of fulfillment, job security, reduced mental stress, fixed working hours( no calls after these hours), better leadership, and feeling that they can climb up the ladder not stagnate and feel their education and capabilities are useless, if the training they have is not enough a way to improve upon that. And reasonable pay for the efforts and time they put in. (Not minimal wage -thats what they call corporate greed)
BETC HAVAS in Brazil just opened a hybrid book shop, art gallery, coffee shop and restaurant open to general public but some places for employees only. There is also meeting room and a rooftop bar. It's very casual, placed at the most luxurious street in Brazil.
You cannot create beach, waterfalls, mountains etc in office. So please let us work remotely
People who actually have to go into the office should be paid much, much more.
Ventilation Ventilation Ventilation
What about a breakfast station with free breakfast so I can still wake up relatively late and not stuff food down my throat. And a taser station at every desk so I can incapacitate anybody that annoys me and prevents me from working, unnecessarily, too much times.
I love how social distancing is now out the window and workers will be on top of each other with those tiny desks. I hate whoever came up with those tiny desks. You should get your whatever degree you have revoked and be extradited.
02:37 "spark of innovation when meeting someone face to face" - who invents all these jokes...
Severance Season 2 is looking fine
You aren't tested until a company you own and believe in is down 30-40-50% from its highs. You will question your conviction, your strategy, your process. The market has a way of finding your breaking point. Nothing tests your conviction like falling stock prices
The key is knowing what you own and getting the best price possible. Falling prices give you the opportunity to lower your average cost. It’s a gift.
@@PhilipMurray251
The deeper the correction the greater the chances of new positions and hence clarifications.
@@marianparker7502 These days the best way to come into the market space is with patience and seeking guidance when necessary. For instance, due to the nature of my job, I can’t handle my portfolio so I just copy the market picks of ''Nicole Ann Sabin'', an Advisor i saw on Bloomberg business news. It’s been smooth since then. I have saved myself all the hassle that chaotic market causes.
@@wiebeplatt4749 It'S not the first time someone had advised on this. I need guide in order to salvage what remains of my DOW stock raked by the massive dips. I'll appreciate if I get details with which I can reach Ms Nicole.
@@PhilipMurray251 finding her webpage is easy, just look her up on the web
There’s no better resource for productivity than the home
Who actually wants to commute to work again 😂 You could paint the rainbow on a prison, it's still a prison. Library? It's called an eBook lol.
Too think they would pay employees more instead of all this gimmick.
Trust me, tech employees aren't complaining about pay.
@@ElijahOyekunle Most people who work from home are not tech employees. HR, finance, accounting, management, sales, phone customer service, and IT support exist at EVERY kind of company. These are all roles that can be done 100% from home.
@@M123Xoxo So, these companies should take the one-time office redesign fees, and use them to raise employee salaries across the board (which are NOT one-time).
How much impact does that have on the average employee?
Open space is horror for those who actually try to focus and get the work done. The architects that draw such designs have absolutely no clue what the workers really need.
“Adult daycares”
the third boss's outfit (the shirt) has a perfect balance of colour and variation of material.
You need to focus more on building housing for your employees. Take the office space and make lofts from them. Daycare as well then you got something.
05:38 - 06:05 "...new concept, our employees have choices..." :) I see nothing which would differ from usual (not even very modern) office. Why it is presented like something innovative ?!
There's no need for daily office attendance. Let the office space serve for a ☕ meeting once in a while.
Or even better just meet at a coffee shop.
When associates can work remotely, why waste money that can be invested in customers and new businesses into the sunk costs of office space
I turned down a pay raise & promotion because it required me to give up telework. No amount of redesign can compete w a 30 second commute, working in my pajamas, not worrying about lunch theft, the option to either have complete silence or blast a podcast / music & enjoying the comfort of my emotional support puppy when I'm stressed.
But the #1 perk of working from home is that I don't have to talk to people.
Nothing can make me want to return to the office
Open concept work areas are the worst. It’s over stimulating and you feel mentally exhausting at the end of the day. You could do the same exact work from home and not feel that drained. Give people their own office with a door and they might come in.
I wouldn't want to work in an office that looks like a college-aged nightclub☹️👎
It looks more like a preschool to me. Perhaps if companies learned to treat people like adults they might be able to keep employees.
Just turn offices into housing and call it work from home.
This just looks like the layout at Intel with more color. If we have another pandemic and we will, disease will spread throughout this environment like wildfire, with workspaces so small and people so close to each other. Besides at home you have more privacy, something this designer basically forgot. You can’t work in glassed in areas all the time, we used to call them Fish Bowls and you had to get on the schedule to use one.
I will never want to go back to office, even though they pay me more money.
Don’t want a fancy building that looks like a college, don’t want skate board park, don’t want group activities at a race track, don’t wanna group hug, don’t want free coffee or a coffee bar, I just want to get my job done and go home to be with my family. Because I don’t really like you people, and the truth is you people really don’t like me. Pay me money, I’m always dropping resumes and I go to the highest bitter, and let me work from home. If not I’ll find someone who will.
They make it look like an apartment bedroom.
This BS about the need for collaboration driving the need for face to face office space is laughable. Are they saying that for the past 2 years when we were working from home, that there was absolutely no“collaboration” ? What rubbish ! If anything, the number of virtual meetings I had during lockdown far surpassed the number of meetings I have attended before covid hit - in 2 years of work from home, I have had about 10X (1000%) more meetings than I had in-person meetings over the preceding 7 years before covid ! Thanks, I will continue to work from home. Enjoy the new paint scheme at the office, suckers !
Looks like a rebranding of most modern existing offices. You won't be chained to your cubical now, but fenced in by your neighbourhood.
How many times do we have to tell you? Beech we ain't going back. No office renovations will change that.
Wonder why they needed inconvenient lockers on the end of rows...there should already be a locker per desk nearby...better to use that space to give more room per desk instead
Office employees do about 3hrs of work when they’re in the office, filling the rest of their time with busy work. At home they do the same amount but finish before lunch so they can golf for the rest of the day.
I’ll go back into the office when my company provides amenities like Google, Meta, and Apple. Free food, massage therapists, gyms, and sleep pods are a few top of mind.
What do people want in the workplace? A paycheck, the bigger the better. If they have to sit in a cubicle all day, everyday, that's what they'll do because they have to. Back when most people made a living on a family farm they worked from home and the children worked there, too. No child labor laws, no daycare, no weak bonds between parents and children; mother and father were always there, watching, teaching, directing, collaborating all together to make it work to survive. I think many of us would like to live that structure, just not on a farm.
I managed a 40-year career working from home as a commercial space planner of mostly office space which is why I clicked on this video. I'd have to sit down with management to understand their needs first, but all this does not seem to be how most people want to work. Mostly it's too noisy and visually distracting. It also does not have that sense of this-is-my-personal-space, my home-away-from-home space; there's no individual anchor. Again, I don't know that business or it's employees, but i do know that working at home I could double my productivity on both my business work and my home work. Taking a break emptying the dishwasher instead of jawing away at the water cooler or greeting my child just home from school instead of at the end of the day when we were both tired and stressed. It depends on the business, but I'd say most people would want to work at home.
I'll never go back into an office. Could I please waste 2hrs commuting just so I can work on top of people I don't like, in dress clothes, and spending money on gas and food. Sure sign me up!
The title should have been "How companies have not learned a thing over the last two and a half years"
You think offices are overrated? How do you think people build new relationships and get promotions. It is all in person.
If only this were true. Most employers are getting rid of any covid benefits and demanding people go back to the office. It's a lose lose for most employees. Give us free food, coffees, designated break times and separated areas, give us gyms, grocery stores and child care located close to the office. Millennials and zoomers will not wake up at 6am every day, just to commute 3 hours a day and deal with the stress of hopping around a city to get activities of their daily life completed.
Flexible open spaces are definitely not something the workers are asking for. Just something the management pushes on the workers where themselves are keeping their corners offices and their privacy. When top management starts having lockers and flexible spaces, sign me up. Till then: no thanks.
I get more done when I work from home. However, I like the office because I get to socialize and blow off steam. My company says we’re less productive at home which is ridiculous and it is actually the opposite. The people who took multiple jobs working from home ruined the idea for the rest of us. I would prefer a hybrid model or leaving it up to the employee
Oh hell no I’m happy working from home and I’ve been doing that way before the pandemic so not really interested in going into a square space to smell coworkers bad morning breath
would be better to just downsize to an office at a suitable size for the portion of employees who do want to come into the office instead. would likely save money that way. maybe find a way to use that extra space for something else that might bring in some revenue instead. depending on the building maybe you could design it into a shared workspace, retail space, or depending on the initial design of the building maybe you can convert it to residential. probably won't work for building like what Google has though.
I like it because the whole work from home movement is making it easier to stand out by literally just walking in the office.
Then at the same time taking Friday afternoons off via flex or new schedules is easier than ever.
Stand out to achieve what
No one respected at my company goes into the office. Management and execs don't. Who are you going to impress when you're the only one there? Most people at my company look down on the few people who go in. It's assumed they're having marital problems or hate their home life for some other reason. It's not a badge of honor, it's a red flag.
@@M123Xoxo sounds like a pretty toxic work culture …
@@s125ish some people would like to advance their career…?
@@eric4946 You can also stand out by doing the best work you can remotely and being communicative with your team. You know, how things are supposed to work.
Also they could prob turn the unused office real estate into idk maybe affordable housing !? 🤯🤯🤯
Where is the logic in thinking that bringing people who are telling you in plain damn English "They want to work from home" to work is the answer??? Even increasing salaries is failing to outweigh the benefits of working from home period. No if and or maybes. We do not want to work from your premises the end. No negotiating or fancy furniture.
Companies just want to control their employees , it’s that simple 🙄
You all can redesign the office to look like Willy Wonka Candy factory, and I’m still choosing to work from home as many days as possible. Gas is too high, we don’t care about your 99 year building lease.
If the open collaboration workspace is so great, why isn't the CEO working right in the center of it? Maybe because the constant drone of a dozen conversations makes it hard to concentrate?
I think hybrid and smaller offices are the way to go. Even as an introvert, I need some IRL human interaction. Perhaps I’m the anomaly here but I live alone in a big city with very few close friends. Most of my periphery friends moved out of the city during the pandemic or moved on with their lives (aka children). I’ve only lived in this city for 5 years and 2 years of that was the pandemic. I have been unemployed for half of this time, which has made sustaining friendships difficult as usually my friendships came through my jobs. It’s also harder to make new friends in my mid 30s. Dating has been harder now that I’m older. It’s just way too lonely to work remotely 100% of the time. Plus my upstairs neighbor is noisy af. That said, I only go into the office once a week at present which is enough for me. And I don’t need any fancy office design. Just something quiet and not distracting will do. But also not bleak.
Our office hasn’t changed. Return to the office has been suggested, it’s been insisted we should come in for cultural reasons. Well, when you come, those same people who say that are just attending virtual meetings behind a closed door.