Glass Road is Black Forest's "Slim" version. The original Black Forest design is more than 10 years old. When Uwe presented to the publishers, they decided to make a simplified version of the game, and that's how Glass Road was created.
Another well strucutured review. looks, feels like a most buy. Waiting for the other Essen reviews and beyong, keep it going. This was by far the best intro comment to supplant regardless of the consequences. I think this one should stay or just keep doing variants of it.
Uwe's euro games mostly all feel the same to me so I'm happy to only have one (Nusfjord). The question is whether I have the right one.. as this looks fun and pretty.
I have the opposite situation than you. Most my games are 2-3p so Arle fits quite nicely for a resource management/farming game. Always compare the others to it and I come away feeling like I don't need another.
More and more times, I am finding I am looking into a game to find you did review within a day or two. Awesome review, as always. My Uk purchase is stuck with Royal Mail, so I'm finger crossed for Monday.
I like the look of this (I’m particularly taken with the box art). I was never into the card playing mechanic of Glass Road (I don’t like it in any game, more specifically), but the resource wheels are great! Looks like my Rosenberg collection will expand yet again 🫣
Looks like I'll be getting this one :) sounds like it hits all the right spots and I especially like the challenge to rules complexity ratio. Also haven't heard you this excited in a while, so it must be really something
Ooooh toughie...........Glass Road is at its best with 2. If Black Forest is going to cost $90, I think you can wait for it to come down in value. Grab GR for cheapness and see how much you enjoy the resource dial/buildings aspect first.
About time for Uwe to deliver considering Atiwa and Caverna's Frantic Fiends were downers. Love Glass Road. Picked Black Forest up as pre-order, yet to play it though. Working on un-warping those boards.
Woo Uwe! This has been available in the US from online retailers since mid-Oct thankfully and for a very reasonable price (around $55 - I pre-ordered mine and got it for just under $50 including shipping and tax).
I am missing the role selecting mechanism. It is fun tense to think about your oponnent moves in the 2 player. Here i think more about my own puzzle. But it is still a very good game
Exactly. The cardplay in GR is the best part! It's like poker, trying to figure out what the opponents are planning and then leeching on their turns, at the same time outsmarting them so you get the full actions. Perfection, which sadly many people don't see (they haven't played it enough / get discouraged by the leeching).
I agree. This blew SETI out of the water for me! So much fun and so much quicker than SETI. BF just begs to be played again once it’s set up on the table.
Damn! This game sounds amazing! I've only played some Agricola (more ACBS), At the gates of Loyang, and some of the tile laying games. Would you say playing glass road would be a better start to get into this kind of resource management Uwe? Definitely sounds like my kind of game lol
I did get a demo play of it but until it releases in the UK with a proper production (no german bits or missing pieces) then I can't say much more. Probably one for early 2025.
Great review Luke, I liked the cards in Glass Rd as they created a bit of player interaction. I like Glass Rd (two player) do I need to replace it with this?
Hee hee, I think the resource wheels are addictive and you do have multiple ways to go about doing things. The time constraint on solo mode adds a little challenge also. But it is essentially BYOS.
Why was Glass Road 5/10? Did you hate the card system? If so, the card system is not in this game. If you at least liked the resource dials and buildings with low scores, then this is perfect for you.
Wow. I'm looking for great games that are a perfect 10. I also want replayability, I think that's what you were saying. Ok thanks, now on my radar. Do you think this game will have a buzz or will fall on the back burner?
No game is "perfect" ;-) This one should get some buzz, but Feuerland don't do a lot of advertising and I don't think the biggest names have reviewed this year.
After this and SETI (and Earth a while ago) I am just reminded that you and me really have such different tastes in many places but also overlap in very specific areas (e.g. Lacerda). Basically, if it’s a mainstream release you gush over I better avoid it.
Awesome review as always my friend. Quick question do you generally just not like playing with 4 players much? I just keep hearing most of the time 2-3 that’s all. If so maybe do a top ten 4 player games you would play 😂. Anyway I always bang on about this, but if you have people in your circle who suffer from bad AP I always bring a hourglass with me to the game that I play with them. If they still cannot be pushed along at a good clip then I won’t play it with them 😅. I know it sounds harsh but I have friends that can literally double the time a game should take because of their AP 🤪. Anyway sorry for the rant awesome review, these types of games are generally not my cup of tea but you have peaked my interest with this one.
Games don't often scale themselves properly for extra players, so full player count can take longer than it needs to often. 3 is a sweet spot for many many games. But yeah maybe Top Ten 4 Players is something to consider 🤔
Glass Road is Black Forest's "Slim" version. The original Black Forest design is more than 10 years old. When Uwe presented to the publishers, they decided to make a simplified version of the game, and that's how Glass Road was created.
No double-edged compliments, no caveats, nothing but gushing love!? Wow! I've been watching for years. Good review. 👍
Won't happen often 😜
@@TheBrokenMeepleAnd this exeption for a Rosenberg ❤
@@TheBrokenMeeplewe know 😂
The term you were searching for is the Depth to Complexity Ratio.
Wow I did not expect that score. Great review, in glad I already have this one.
Another well strucutured review. looks, feels like a most buy. Waiting for the other Essen reviews and beyong, keep it going. This was by far the best intro comment to supplant regardless of the consequences. I think this one should stay or just keep doing variants of it.
Uwe's euro games mostly all feel the same to me so I'm happy to only have one (Nusfjord). The question is whether I have the right one.. as this looks fun and pretty.
Curious, for a 2-3 player game do you prefer this or Fields of Arle with Tea & Trade?
For 2p this didn’t do much for us. Just felt super stagnant
Fields of Arle with two for sure. Though I play Arle mostly solo.
I have the opposite situation than you. Most my games are 2-3p so Arle fits quite nicely for a resource management/farming game. Always compare the others to it and I come away feeling like I don't need another.
"Now instead of one, you have two". Glass Road had two resource wheels also.
Yeah forgot!
More and more times, I am finding I am looking into a game to find you did review within a day or two.
Awesome review, as always.
My Uk purchase is stuck with Royal Mail, so I'm finger crossed for Monday.
Thanks and enjoy!
I like the look of this (I’m particularly taken with the box art). I was never into the card playing mechanic of Glass Road (I don’t like it in any game, more specifically), but the resource wheels are great! Looks like my Rosenberg collection will expand yet again 🫣
You’ve convinced me to push this one to the top of the queue. Found it in retail last week on west coast USA, but not sure how wide distribution is.
Looks like I'll be getting this one :) sounds like it hits all the right spots and I especially like the challenge to rules complexity ratio. Also haven't heard you this excited in a while, so it must be really something
Yeah so far a couple great games lately...... Though ones I've yet to review won't be as gushing.
Capstone games actually shipped it to us customers the week of Essen. Mine has been sitting unopened since then
What is better for two? Glass road or Black Forest? I can get glass road for $45. Black Forest will cost double.
Ooooh toughie...........Glass Road is at its best with 2. If Black Forest is going to cost $90, I think you can wait for it to come down in value. Grab GR for cheapness and see how much you enjoy the resource dial/buildings aspect first.
I have many games on my list of games to get. It’s top on that list. Glad you really loved it. :)
About time for Uwe to deliver considering Atiwa and Caverna's Frantic Fiends were downers. Love Glass Road. Picked Black Forest up as pre-order, yet to play it though. Working on un-warping those boards.
Awww I enjoyed Atiwa.
Woo Uwe!
This has been available in the US from online retailers since mid-Oct thankfully and for a very reasonable price (around $55 - I pre-ordered mine and got it for just under $50 including shipping and tax).
Good price, I hear for some it's closer to $90!
The resource wheel is similar to the one in Ora et Labora
Erm mine is coming on Monday in the UK. Ordered it a few days ago!
2-player Glass Road lasts 30 minutes so there's place for both on your shelf. Glass Road is a thinky filler ;). The card mechanism was great.
Don't often play with two and 30 minutes is unlikely at the best of times.
@@TheBrokenMeeple played it many times in 30 ;). But sure, if you play with 4 people it's less than ideal.
I felt Glass Road completely lost its magic at two.
@@looktothefuture84 I felt the opposite, that Glass Road due to the unique 2 player mechanics shines at 2.
I am missing the role selecting mechanism. It is fun tense to think about your oponnent moves in the 2 player. Here i think more about my own puzzle. But it is still a very good game
Exactly. The cardplay in GR is the best part! It's like poker, trying to figure out what the opponents are planning and then leeching on their turns, at the same time outsmarting them so you get the full actions. Perfection, which sadly many people don't see (they haven't played it enough / get discouraged by the leeching).
I agree. This blew SETI out of the water for me! So much fun and so much quicker than SETI. BF just begs to be played again once it’s set up on the table.
I love both games.
Damn! This game sounds amazing! I've only played some Agricola (more ACBS), At the gates of Loyang, and some of the tile laying games. Would you say playing glass road would be a better start to get into this kind of resource management Uwe? Definitely sounds like my kind of game lol
You can get either and be fine with the resource management.
This made me preorder the game, looking forward to it! Great review!
Looking forward to your take on Civolution (I assume you will give it a go) 😊
I did get a demo play of it but until it releases in the UK with a proper production (no german bits or missing pieces) then I can't say much more. Probably one for early 2025.
@TheBrokenMeeple Thats probably wise. I did receive mine yesterday (not uk tho) and all pieces were there (EN-version) 😊
Great review Luke, I liked the cards in Glass Rd as they created a bit of player interaction. I like Glass Rd (two player) do I need to replace it with this?
I personally prefer this game but if you like the cards then I think you can keep both.
I actually liked the cards...made for interesting choices and planning
Too chaotic though at 4 players at times though.
What did you do with Luke? We might need to send search parties...
Ha ha, well small spoiler, there is unlikely to be more 10/10's from what I've played from the pile currently.
@@TheBrokenMeeple Thank goodness. Not sure our brains could take much more! Cheers
Excellent stuff as always Luke. I've never played Glass Road but this one looks interesting. Do you think it's worth getting for just solo play?
He gave it a 9 for solo, so what do you think 😃
Hee hee, I think the resource wheels are addictive and you do have multiple ways to go about doing things. The time constraint on solo mode adds a little challenge also. But it is essentially BYOS.
Awesome! Do you now need to redo your Uwe list?? Lol.
Yeah what did I include, fields of Arle, Caverna.... And atiwa I think..... This one would kick atiwa off the list.
My first thought as well 😂
How multiplayer solitaire is it please?
Semi. You have to give players goods if you visit the same village as them. They can also block spaces you want and move the trades people around.
Does it replace Glass Road?
No!
Hard to say, they do play different enough.
I thought glass road was a 5/10 - it was underwhelming to me but really liked caverna and Le Havre … is this that much better?
Why was Glass Road 5/10? Did you hate the card system? If so, the card system is not in this game. If you at least liked the resource dials and buildings with low scores, then this is perfect for you.
Wow. I'm looking for great games that are a perfect 10. I also want replayability, I think that's what you were saying. Ok thanks, now on my radar. Do you think this game will have a buzz or will fall on the back burner?
No game is "perfect" ;-) This one should get some buzz, but Feuerland don't do a lot of advertising and I don't think the biggest names have reviewed this year.
After this and SETI (and Earth a while ago) I am just reminded that you and me really have such different tastes in many places but also overlap in very specific areas (e.g. Lacerda). Basically, if it’s a mainstream release you gush over I better avoid it.
Most mainstream releases I don't gush over, I will certainly say, I've played a bunch of other Essen titles lately and they won't be gushing ones.
@@TheBrokenMeeple hence the 'if' 😊
@@looktothefuture84 exactly :) thanks
Dammit Luke! Are you trying to destroy my budget!?😊
Ha ha don't worry, some upcoming stuff won't do that 😅
@@TheBrokenMeeple Joking aside, how language dependant is this game, since I have German copy available to purchase?
Awesome review as always my friend. Quick question do you generally just not like playing with 4 players much? I just keep hearing most of the time 2-3 that’s all. If so maybe do a top ten 4 player games you would play 😂. Anyway I always bang on about this, but if you have people in your circle who suffer from bad AP I always bring a hourglass with me to the game that I play with them. If they still cannot be pushed along at a good clip then I won’t play it with them 😅. I know it sounds harsh but I have friends that can literally double the time a game should take because of their AP 🤪. Anyway sorry for the rant awesome review, these types of games are generally not my cup of tea but you have peaked my interest with this one.
Games don't often scale themselves properly for extra players, so full player count can take longer than it needs to often. 3 is a sweet spot for many many games. But yeah maybe Top Ten 4 Players is something to consider 🤔
I can't see that title and not think 'gateau'...