Vocal Coach Reacts: Rolling Stones 200 Greatest Singers List - Controversial! Where is Celine Dion?
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- What exactly constitutes a great singer? Who has the final say on a list like this? Let's deep dive into what went wrong with this list and why singing tastes are completely subjective to the listener...
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What makes a singer great to you? Who is missing from this list? Should there even have been a list?! So many questions!
Dimash is missing
I don't think it's about songwriting, because Pink is also bot on the list 🤷♂️
A great singer (not necessarily a great vocalist who is an expert in the many techniques and skills of singing) to me is a singer when singing about making love feels like you want to make love (George Benson's "Feels Like Making Love") and when singing about revolution makes you want to overthrow the government (John Lennon's "Revolution") and when singing about Jesus makes you wanna worship Jesus even if you are not a Christian (David Phelps' "O Holy Night") and when singing about demanding respect makes you want to get respect (Aretha Franklin's "Respect") and finally a great singer is when they sing in a foreign language that you totally do not understand about a weird odd dance makes you feel like doing that silly dance (Psy's "Gangnam Style"). I think the point has been pushed across that a great singer makes you feel and experience what the words that are being sung to the point that it moves you.....and in the case of "Gangnam Style' literally makes you move.
Lara Fabian , Celine missing ? Is Barbra in there, Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole ?
Adele is #22 ??? Largely overated
Jessie J ??????
Celine may not be the cup of tea for everybody but excluding her from the List is an insult. Not only is she one of the best vocalists of all time, she sold more than 330 million records, has 2 Oscars, 43 Nr Singles worldwide, grossed over 1,5 billion in touring and inspired a whole generation. Adele loves her, Ariana admires her, Pink wrote a song for her, Beyoncé said she has the most beautiful voice in the world, Cher said Céline is the best in the business, Kelly Clarkson said she is probably the most gifted vocalist in the world and the list goes on and on.
To claim she has not enough legacy for that list is just UNREAL!
I guess there is nobody in the world who is everyone‘s cup of tea. So, I still don‘t get it even by saying that Celine may not be everyone‘s cup of tea, because this can be said about everybody. I agree with you that it is an insult to leave Celine out of the top 200(!!!). In my opinion she belongs at least in the TOP 5-10. Rolling Stone can‘t be taken seriously any longer, so sorry. They are leaving out many others who should also be in the TOP 200 without any doubt like Pink, Jennifer Hudson etc. However, I was a never a fan of making such lists and competitons anyway because too many factors are subjective as the Lady of this vid mentions it correctly. My list, for example, would look much differently ;) My number one of all time is Whitney, number two is JHud (and I know many would shake their head now but I don‘t care lol), I would put many others into the TOP 10, i.e. Freddie of course, Glennis Grace from The Netherlands, Cynthia Erivo(!) and and and ;)
@sheanfall5670you didn’t get it, it’s not about sales but the impact. Elvis should be more in the front in my opinion. But leaving Celine completely out ist just mindblowing.
Popularity doesn't equate with "best." Billie Eilish is immensely popular, but she is NOT a good singer.
Celine is legendary. If you like her or not, there is denying she is one the best of all times. Rolling Stone must have something against her. It doesn’t make sense that she isn’t in the top 5. They are just disrespectful.
they never liked celine becuase shes canadian
@@TheCelineDionChannel there are singers of other nationalities in there, makes no sense . That said, she decides to be in any best list but your reason is absurd
@@odumosuolusegun2781 DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT OTHER NATIONALITIES?? NO... they target Canadians . RS is known for that. 3 best selling albums in history belings to CELINE , ALANIS and SHania and none are listed
Does she have any song with 1 billion views on TH-cam? If not, she does not deserve a spot in Top 200. Stop moaning!
@@kingofpopbts2080 VIEWS dont mean shit .. bts is shit .. she sells pure albums and made 1.6 BILLION in ticket sales.
Of all the ones that were not included in the list, Celine Dion was actually trending, which means that Celine Dion is really famous
We all know who Celine Dion is.
Well, of course! She's Céline Dion. Worldwide, she's more famous and successful than Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey.
@@hisdarksecretWhitney Houston deserved a top 3 spot but Celine would barely crack top 10
what do you expect from a publication that called harry styles the new king of pop🤣🤣🤣🤣
Celine Dion is in vocal trinity, sold 300 millions of albums, she's actually second best selling female singer (right after Madonna) and yet she's not on that stupid list.. lol
Celine actually did wrote some of her songs, and co-wrote many others.
All 3 needs to be top 5
According to Guiness world records Madonna, Rihanna, Mariah, Taylor and Beyonce are the highest selling female singers ever.
Nah, its all of the albums/records that's count, not just one of them to be on their stupid list.
Stupid people just try to cancel her, cuz she doesn't use sex as selling point, nor does any plastic surgeries.
@@robinology_Beyonce and Swift no were close to better singers than Celine and in my opinion I don't like Celine
Rolling Stone really dropped the ball on this list, just as they did on their previous top 200 list from 12 years ago. Agree that it should be titled "Rolling Stone's List of Favorite Singers" as their opinions seem to counter what the general public views as great singers.
Elvis then everyone else. 95% of the artists in this list are sty in their lane singers. Elvis pushed the boundaries in all genres of music. In terms of pure vocal talent and versatility, Elvis is a no-brainer No.1 The fact that Elvis's live performances always sounded better than his recordings is a testament to his talent. No one made you fell a song like the King.
Absolutley correct 👍👍
First of all Elvis didn't push boundaries for all genres of music their were great singers before Elvis he was just marketed and promoted in the beginning because he was white singing black folks music and that sold .then u say his live performances are better than a recording which is dumb comparison in itself true artists would be insulted if u compare the two so ur whole comment is irrelevant and invalid nice try
@@anthonytaylor7928 You sir, are a joke. Watch the video Elvis and the Black community to see what his black contemporaries thought of The King. This notion that Elvis stole black music is pure horseshit. He always gave credit to black artists and expressed his admiration of them. But he went far beyond Rock and Roll. His first single in the summer of 1954, which was a full year before Chuck Berry and Little Richard's first hit singles, was That's All Right Mama which was an original black artist's song. But the B side of the single was Blue Moon of Kentucky which was a Bluegrass song. So from the very start Elvis sang all kinds of music. And yes, without a doubt Elvis sounded better live. The fact he didn't need studio tricks to make him sound better shows how great his voice is. I'll just leave you with a quote from the great Chuck Berry, "Elvis, he is the best there is, the best that ever was or ever will be." I think I'll take Chuck's, James Brown's, B.B.Kings, Muhammad Ali's or Sammy Davis' opinion of Elvis over yours. And if you don't believe me, look it up.
Absolutely, nobody sang as great as the sing. His tone was and will always be unmatched. Moreover, his versatility, his emotions. It´s a joke that he´s number 17.
Elvis stole from black people before him. Little Richard / bb king , etc. he just had the right skin to go global.
There is no way on this planet that Bob Dylan is a better singer or performer than Elvis Presley, absolutely no way.
Bob Dylan is a better singer and elvis is more iconic
@@patricktilsley9164 I’m sorry but Bob Dylan isn’t that great of a singer than Elvis. He’s good but he’s definitely not Elvis good.
Absolutley right!
@@patricktilsley9164 by far the most stupid post ever.
Bob Dylan can’t sing at all He’s a freikin folk singer You might like his songs but has zero range did nothing for music Presley is by far the icon that changed music forever and sounded the best of all singers
Even if it also considers songwriting there is no way that Floor Jansen doesn't rate above the majority of singers. The big bias is mainly US singers with a few Brits and very little else.
Very simple, it is a list of mostly American Top 200 singers made by an American magazine. So all international top vocalists are missing. No Lara Fabian, no Edith Piaff, no Floor Jansen etc. Why? Rolling Stone Magzine has no idea about them. Incompetence. Enough said. 😂 Even Ronnie James Dio on 196 is a joke.
I won't put Lara fabian on any list but EDITH PIAH AND MINA YES
Its also because Celine called out rolling stones year ago because they wold send heavy metal cirtics fo her concerts who would end give her bad reviews. Since then, they have always given her negative reviews.
The list is a joke. Elvis must be at number 1. Nobody had that "tone" and nobody was as versatile in singing as "The King". Barbra Streisand at 146? No Karen Carpenter? No Celine Dion? Michael Jackson at 84 but Prince under the top 15?
Celine should def be top 15 but cmon Elvis has to be top 3 bcs voice, multiple categories, change music forever tell me where any of them 200 sang in multiple genres like EP
You lost me at “Celine should be top 15”. Just another person who doesn’t get it.
Sorry for your loss but name me 15 top ones Aretha is good can you name 5 of her songs and all of those other names on the list that few people know can’t get on a top dining list unless you’ve impacted music
Where is Floor Jansen?
I looked for her on the list but I just smiled inside when I seen Floor Jansen wasn´t there. Floor is a treasure and beyond any list. The one and only voice that truly had a life-changing impact on me.
Your introductory remarks suggests to me a view that technical ability is the dominate attribute of any great singer. You do give consideration that performers can distinguish themselves along difficult to compare dimensions. But, there is still a strong emphasis on technical abilities. Following that emphasis, the greatest singer of all time (GOAT) that we have any audio record of would be Dimash. Everybody else can just sit down. No one even comes close. Yet, Dimash is not my cup of tea, as much as I admire and respect his talents. Almost always when I see a vocal coach react to a Dimash performance, they are mesmerized by his vocal pyrotechnics. Those soaring vocals are indeed spectacular. Take his performance of S.O.S. (with the rest of the French title). That is a good example because the song is a story of despair: a man contemplating taking his own life. Yet the audience with rare exception is carried away with Dimash's vocal gymnastics and seems to feel none of that despair. Does this make for an effective interpretation? I don't think so. You hit on the idea of emotion. Music, when it works, engenders an emotional reaction in the listener. Vocal music or instrumental music, it's all the same. More specifically, music communicates an emotion. That is the emotion that is written into the specific piece of music. It is the performer's job is to convey that specific sentiment to the audience. Dimash's S.O.S. doesn't do that. Instead, Dimash makes a technical showpiece of the work. Coming back full circle to the theme of technique, it should be recognized that technique is a means to an end. It is three or four levels below the performance level and should also be in service to the piece being performed. Great singing goes well beyond great technique. To finish off, how would Dimash come out singing classics from the, so called, Great American Song Book? A piece like "Ev'ry Time We Say Goodbye" by Ella fitzgerald, or any hit song by Frank Sinatra. I think Dimash would come out fairly ordinary, or he would destroy such pieces with gratuitous ornamentation. And as a postscript, story telling can be just as compelling as vocal pyrotechnics. In that regard, where is Hank Williams on that list?
So many people say that Dimash is all technique etc. But if you watch his latest concert Stranger Almaty and the song 'If I Never Breathe Again.' There are No high notes or vocal acrobatics yet the emotion he brings to his performance brings many of the audience to tears. One top professional voice teacher said, 'In my entire career Dimash is the only singer that I've ever heard that has Everything.' Not everyone has the same favourite singers, but we should always respect other peoples tastes in music.
I think rolling stone are doing this on purpose just to spark controversy good job it worked
Elvis should be way higher, top three at least °
Elvis????? Please no. He was top 30 for sure.
@@ramonpadilha9987 agreed
No f*ckin way is Elvis over Marvin, Luther, Stevie, or Whitney as a singer...
@@CharlieXFBA elvis was better than the four men you mentioned!!!
I miss a lot, Bee Gees (Barry), George Michael, Abba (Agnetha),Deep Purple (Ian Gillan)..... This list is ridiculous, not only bc of missing artists, also of the place where those being on the list are!
Celine Dion most definitely should be in Top 5
Top 11 was basically just political.
Rolling Stone achieved what they set out to do - they got people talking, debating, about the list.
I'm not a Celine fan, but if Whitney & Mariah are on the list, then she should be, too.
I agree and I don't get the appeal of Beyonce
Spot on. John Lennon and Bob Dylan were fantastic song writers. They don't belong anywhere near Elvis on singing talent, who should be in the top 3. Some on the list could sing across more octaves than Elvis, but very few had the power and versatility Elvis demonstrated. Clueless.
Celine can SMOKE 99% of the "singers" on that list .. she sang with two of the singers thats on the top 10 and she outperformed them with power and grace
she did not outperform Aretha who was nearly 30 years older. Celine is at Arethas age now when they performed and she cant even do half of what ARETHA DID TO THE YOUNG GIRLS. I GIVE YOU mRIAH THOUGH. I do not believe Mariah should be higher than Celine on any list and Celine deserves a top placement on any list but you are childish and delusional to think she can ousting a Prime Aretha...she was all but 27 there against a 56 year old and she died not ousting her...she held her own at best
@@odumosuolusegun2781 SHE put aretha in the dark. get over it .
@@odumosuolusegun2781 can aretha do this th-cam.com/users/shortse7ZyHl-zBjs
@@odumosuolusegun2781 what about this ...can aretha do this th-cam.com/users/shortsChJ6xQIqlaQ?feature=share
Well she outperformed Mariah and Beyoncé so you still right.
"Talent is impressive; genius is transcendent"? If that's the criteria they were using, Michael Jackson should have been at the top of that list & not at #86!
Elvis at 17?
He should have been number 1.
Elvis, Sinatra, Mercury not in the top 10 at least? Tom Jones, Tina Turner not even on the list? Bob Dylan & John Lennon in the top 20? I mean Dylan and Lennon are great songwriters, top tier but, singers? They even had Hank Williams as a better singer than Mavis Staples. I mean I love Hank but a better singer than Mavis Staples? I don't know, I think some of these people snuck in while the door was open and then skipped in the lunch line.
Tina Turner is on the list.
@@Heroliesinyou Where? I must have missed her.
@@Heroliesinyou Ah, I see her now at 55.
It is indeed so silly to leave Celine off the list. Her success speaks for itself. Beyond her not being in the top 5 at least, to leave her off the list is just so stupid. Their “opinion” is just not credible.
I loved your breakdown and critique of this list. You are so spot on with all that you said! I saw Kelly Clarkson at 194 and right off the bat I thought what the heck?!!! She belongs in the top 40! Same with Carrie underwood. Where is Judy Garland and Celine dion… CELINE DION PEOPLE?!! And what about Jennifer Hudson or Nat King Cole!! Baffling. Anyway, love your video!👌😃👏
Agreed! I feel like Tori Kelly and Morissette could've been included! Celine Dion had NO excuses to be excluded, though.
Rolling Stone is a joke ......your better off not being on it .
Where's Floor , Dimash, Morrisette, Lara Fabian ?
Where is the world outside of US/UK (+commonwealth states)? This is a list of mostly US/UK, famous and successful singers. RS has become a joke these days, they are a relic of the previous millennium. Hell, where is the whole metal genre? Yeah, Ozzy and Axl are on the list, but it's like the last 30 years didn't happen. Even when it comes to US/UK artists, where is Phil Collins, Sting, Ann Wilson? And when it comes to singer/songwriters and composers.... how do you miss David Bowie?
Every category of a great singer you mentioned Morissette has it (tonality, vocal agility, breath control, dynamic control, total performer, can convey the emotion of the song, can connect to the audience and vocal range) and yet she is not on the list, she even writes a good song which she showcased on her latest EP.
She’s not an all-time international legend. What is wrong with you people? She’s still a relatively new singer from the Philippines, whose popularity may or may not be growing, the only reason I say, may not is because she has annoying fans like you who will hurt her growth if you don’t calm down.
Morissette is a great singer, but of course any list of the greatest singers of all time (especially one published by the Rolling Stones) would only include singers who have achieved worldwide success, a long career, and undeniable legacy. Some of the singers on the list aren't nearly as strong vocally as Morissette is, but are way more successful and mainstream. For instance, Taylor Swift isn't the best vocalist, but she has a very pleasant and immediately identifiable voice that perfectly suits the type of music she writes. Michael Jackson is considered the best performer of all time and he also happens to have great vocals. I personally think Morissette is better vocally (she can do more with her voice), but most lists would favor MJ over Morissette (if she even appears) because his voice is so distinctive and iconically him. If this list was unbiased (pretty impossible to be 100% unbiased) and focused on only vocal ability (and not record sales and iconic status), then a lot of the lesser known singers would appear on the top 50 for sure, like Morissette over the more popular singers. Like Nina mentioned, it would be nice to see a list for different categories rather than one list ranking all singers. But ultimately, any list is going to incite controversy because not everyone will agree, which is normal.
@@superninja6481 And still didn't include CELINE....
@@jhoshie5440 Not including Celine is definitely a major oversight. She should've been placed somewhere in the top 10 for sure, maybe even top 5, but is it that serious?? Fans protesting with signs outside of the Rolling Stone NYC office over her absence on the list is so dumb and trivial. At the end of the day, this is just some arbitrary list of talented singers and no one should give it that much credence anyways.
Rolling Stone has gotten a lot of things wrong when it comes to their rankings and critiques. They're also known to be biased and favorable towards rock artists from older eras. So why so many people are losing their minds over a list made by a media company known to come out with controversial and unpopular takes is beyond me... Ultimately, what matters the most is public opinion and most people seem to think Celine is one of the greatest singers of all time, and that's infinitely more powerful than some list that snubbed her.
I think you’ve raised some absolutely valid points. And i also wonder if they simply left her off for publicity. If Mariah and Whitney were top 5, Celine should also be top 5. They are on the same level. I dont even think Patti la belle was on it. Or Madonna which counters their entire argument about it not being about voices… but singing… if its about that then Madonna should be top 20 at least with what shes done for music. Its mental. But there has been a lot of backlash because who are they to be the guardians of such lists… with this list they have inadvertently rendered themselves irrelevant.
@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee but by their ‘criteria’ they say they’re using for this list… she should definitely be on it
Elvis #1
I agree!!!
Are you insane? 😂
@@TrumanStalls18 No!! But you are!!!! 😆 🤣 😂 😹
Screw stumbling stone‼️
Vocal coaches around the world have been referring to Dimash Qudaibergen as the greatest singer alive for the past five years----perhaps the greatest of all time. He should have been high on this list.
Dimash has a fantastic voice but I myself think he is way over produced, seems more like a broadway musical singer.
@@brentravnsborg2782 I personally love the "over production." And I'd certainly welcome him as "a broadwaay musical singer." Some of the world's greatest singers have been just that!
@@dougfriendly7676 I like Dimash, I could just do very well without all the theatrics. But it is what it is.
Is Rolling Stone still a thing? I thought it went out of business decades ago.
No DIMASH
No Edith Piaf
And um Kulthum 68
😅😅😅😅😅
Hello America
😅😅😅😅😅
I guess it’s all they know 🤷♂️ I’m sure I’m missing out on many skilled singers as well 😭 but they definitely missed Dimash omgggggg
Celine should be at least in position 6 or 7. Mariah deserves a higher position FOR SURE! The voice, the legacy, catalog unmatched , and her writing!
Mariah should be #2 with Whitney)
Celine, Mariah and Whitney ate the best female singers. You can order them.
It´s not about legacy and writing.
@@Katzenhase that was my extra comments. However; Mariah’s vocals are 1 in a Galaxy.
@@ShamsiR1 no🤡
Hello Nina big fan here ! It’s interesting how you began your video with the criteria for greatest singers of all time. Your criteria is the same as mine and I agree with you that songwriters and artists have been conflated with pure vocal talent. I think what makes me dubious about these lists is how much does international success weigh in ? In other words a singer like Mylie Cyrus has incredible SUCCESS in the industry yet can barely carry a legitimate tune. By the criteria you mentioned at the onset of your video Morissette Amon is the greatest pure singer in the world today and I’d argue should be mentioned with Celine and Whitney and a few others as the greatest pure vocals I’ve ever heard. Unfortunately Mori is unknown by 99% of the people pontificating over the list and it seems that FAME not talent rules the day. You ,however , do know of Morissette and that’s how I know you as a consequence. My simple question to you is if you made a list of this sort yourself where would a one of one talent like Mori rank? PS. The fact Celine is not on the list UTTERLY delegitimizes this list along with a few other dubious choices.
Any list that doesn't include Céline Dion and Lara Fabian isn't worth a keystroke. !!!
Usual Anglo-American BIAS!
They really should've stuck to decades, and perhaps US artists. There would be another 20 fold amazing singers from other parts of the world.
Totally agree with everything you said, with one caveat. Just because Paul McCartney is a fantastic songwriter doesn't mean that he can't be an incredible singer as well. For me he's in my top 10 or maybe my top 20. I think he got better and better as he went, but he was exceptional even when he was quite young. And to distinguish songwriting from singing, just listen to any of the many early covers that they did. Most notably for me, the cover of the Little Richard song Long Tall sally. McCartney just wails on this!
And I agree with your comments about lists and especially ranking. Any more I refuse to rank anything ever. To me it just indicates that if you want to rank stuff in some concrete way, it means you don't have the ability to distinguish the apples and oranges aspect of various singers, or bands, or songs, or whatever. It's all the same. If they're good at all, they're going to be good in their own way.
And I didn't check to see if Chris Cornell is on this list but if not it's a sin. For me he's in my top 10. Especially if you listen to his later acoustic stuff, where it's just him and his guitar or sometimes a small ensemble. That guy had the range and the best control and the grit and the character and the phrasing and the sensitivity and the emotion and he just knows how to blow you away.
And I wouldn't put them near the top, but I would absolutely include Elvis Presley in a top 200 list. For me he's probably in my top 25 or maybe even my top 20. Especially if you listen to his later stuff where he becomes almost operatic.
Paul at his prime was a decent vocalist but this is an all time greats list where each candidate can do insane things with their voice. The list is all over the place, after seeing Bob Dylan so high and the likes of Kelly Clarkson so low I Just disregarded the whole list.
I totally agree with you. Bob Dylan is epic in so many ways, but he definitely NOT A GOOD SINGER. I do not agree with what Rolling Stone said. Dimash IS A GREAT SINGER, but of course is not on the list. This list is nonsense. Clearly they did not think about the definition of words.
Michael Jackson not being top 10 is criminal
Smooth criminal to u
@@anthonytaylor7928 nice one
He should have been at number 200 not 86.
He was a criminal. A child abuser.
@@samarthjain145 NO I'M NOT JOKING 😃
That list is an ff-ing joke (excuse my French), even if it would be "in no particular order". I mean: Barbra Streisand at #147???? Are they insane? No Pavarotti? No Maria Callas? And in the popular singers category not even Barry Gibb? He may not have sung in the style that the idiots who put this list together like, but jesus christ, in his prime he could do just about anything with his clear as a bell voice!!!!
I feel that Rolling Stone is just playing semantics with that "excuse"!!! Celine is the only one of the "Vocal Trinity' deliberately left off this list. So...what are they saying exactly, Aretha, Whitney & Mariah are not the "best voices"! Really just sounds like a load of BS to me!!!!! I think Rolling Stone didn't expect the backlash, not only from Celine fans but people with ears! You might not be a fans of her music but her position among the vocal titan's is UNDENIABLE!!!! Completely disrespectful, but nothing new! Her entire career has she has had people trying to discredit her as being worthy of her spot in the 'Vocal Trinity"!!! Celine's going through SO...MUCH at the moment and us fans are just not here for this Sh*t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A so-called authoritative music magazine with nonsense, biased and discriminatory views does not need to be respected at all, because it does not know how to respect a great singer.
I must admit, I get confused as to why the order changes to dramatically. I looked at some of the previous Rollingstones top 200. Elvis should easily dominate the top 3 and what about Tom Jones, Dean Martin and good old Julio Iglesias?
same kinda thing happened with the best guitarists list. people with distinctive, influential styles were put very high while other people with more technical skills were excluded or put much lower.
Such a list is fraught with complications, and I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head, that if you intend to make a list of the top 200 singers of all time, it should be based on the metrics you described, and not their popularity, musicianship or songwriting skills. This list would have to be reworked from that perspective, and then it would be far better, however it would still be fraught with subjectivity (I find it hard to believe Jim Morrison is out, for example, as his voice in the Doors is truly iconic, but maybe he lacks some of the straight up singer metrics you mentioned, so this is simply a subjective thing for me - but then you have Kurt Cobain, who I am pretty sure did nothing he should have as a singer, by proper standards - it gets messy). Probably, a list like this would have to be made from the metrics you describe, as a basic template of what to consider, and then compile the choices from at least 5-10 curators, so some averaging on who various people think should be on the list and where happens, so that the averaging removes at least some of the subjectivity. I probably have overthought this a bit haha. Truly a subjective opinion, but any list like this had best include Floor Jansen, because I have never heard anyone do with their voice all the things she does, with that much skill and agility, as well as singers from all over the world and not just a western bias.
As an aside, I suggest a reaction to LiSA on one of her First Takes, someday. She's amazing and would probably make my list. Also, a request for Lovebites. Anything live, but I think for you, Frozen Serenade or Swan Song (with the Chopin intro) is best, as there are piano parts (and they are masterful). Asami's voice is quite a thing too, but I don't know how to describe her. Curious what you might say about her voice, as well as LiSA.
If Celine was excluded cause she normally doesn't write her songs (or did very few!) then Whitney shouldn't be either cause she wasn't writting her songs either... she just sang!
Thats not the reason. Elvis never wrote a song…
This is a list, making from stupid people.
Did they leave the woman who went toe to toe with the number 1 on this list? That’s Céline fu***ng Dion ladies and gentlemen
Thank you for your explanation. I wholeheartedly agree with your definition of a what constitutes a great singer. This list is not an accurate representation of the greatest "singers." Bob Dylan should not even be on this list, for instance IMO. He did more speaking and growling than singing. So Hyang and Dimash are not on this list for instance as well. But this is Rolling Stone. So, we take it with a grain of salt. And to leave off Celine is criminal. Exactly, a great singer IS a great vocalist. You're super talented. All the best to you and your channel.
did they base this on live performances or studio recordings?
I may be a little bit personal but only person that is missing on that list is you Nina. what makes a singer, especially female singer great is certainly her appearance, first impression, joyfulness visible on her face, ability to smile most of the time and Nina, you got all of it.
Agree with you but then is also nationality of vocalist/singer. Phillipines/Canadians/Europeans(not British). Is not included well. To me Celine Dion, Morten from A-ha, and George Michel should be that list. Also singers like Floor Jansen, Tarja Turunen and Sharon den are top 200.
you are right. In my opinion, Rolling Stone did a BAD SURVEY...WRONG CRITERIA FOR JUDGING! Rolling Stones distiction between GREATEST SINGER AND GREATEST VOICES is stupid. THEY DO NOT REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE DOING! In the Philippines ..Celine made two-night concert....ALL FILIPINOS LOVE HER. Booooo! Rolling Stone! Celine should be the NO. 1 IN THE LIST!
It's either they have most incompetent staff who takes care of the list or they are against Celine Dion. Rolling stones lost its credibility!
Christina Aguilera should be in the top 10
It's not about who has the "prettiest" voice. If it was Dylan probably wouldn't even be on it. It's more the greatest/influential singers, which is why Dylan is so high. If that makes sense.
Where is Morissette Amon Asia's Phoenix
She is the greatest vocalist of all time
Exactly, so many incredible singers missing!
Why would they even know who that is?
@@Rosannasfriend they are TH-cam kids
No Celine? No Axel Rose? No Sting?
Where the hell is CELINE GODDESS DION?????? I CAN'T... I am really really mad
where is celine Dion??? shes a legend also, she is one of the Vocal Trinity with Whitney Housto and Mariah Carey ... shes also one of the biggest female artist in history because Celine Dion has sold almos 260 million albums copies in her career .. sincxe shes started .. me also, im i want to know why Celine Dion is missin in 200 rollinbg stone ? she dserv on Top 5..
Rolling Stone are clear in their brief - they say "originality, influence, the depth of an artist’s catalog, and the breadth of their musical legacy" - they clearly do not say technical singing ability.
Alanis Morisette, Cher, Celine Dion, Sting, Julie Andrews, Idina Menzel (Wicked, and Frozone), Pavarotti, Meatloaf, Madonna, Tasmin Archer, Billie Meyers, Aaliyah, Kylie Minogue, Steve Tyler (Aerosmith), Bonnie Tyler, Nat King Cole, Bing Crosby, Michael Buble, Michael Bolton, Grace Slick, Bic Runga, John Farnham, Ann Wilson, Bobby Hatfield (Beautiful rendition of Unchained Melody), Eminem (Curt Cobaine and Bob Dylan made it), Toni Braxton, Robbie Williams, just the ones I noticed. Perhaps it's better to not be on the list.
Did Steve Perry make the list?
@@adamweiser2515 Don't remember him being there.
@@adamweiser2515 They would be better off with a score attached to each person. Start with 50 then every so many years, add more to the list, perhaps plus 50 each time. If some big name isn't on it, they simply weren't graded.
@@adamweiser2515 Yea right next to the Bee Gees...
There are 3 singers not in the top 10 that should be. Michael Jackson, Freddie Mercury and Celine Dion. I would take out Beyonce, Ray Charles and Otis Redding. Your welcome.
To judge accurately, whoever is judging has to apply the same criteria to each singer and, more to the point, has to listen to everybody who has ever sung (known or unknown).
At the end of the day, Rolling Stone is just trying to sell copies of Rolling Stone ...
It should of be called the Top 10 best American singers of all time, since rolling stones are so biased over American born artists.
The Rolling Stones has always had a vendetta against Celine, not sure why! Maybe they don't like her music but even if you don't like her music, her vocal ability is one of a kind and rightly she should of been aleast Top 5 on that list.
Everyone knows Celine is one of the greatest vocalists of all time so that's all that matters, fuck what the rolling stones magazine thinks and tbh I don't think Celine is gonna care much too. 🤣🤣🤣
And Celine got all fangirl and starry eyed at the opportunity to sing with John Farnham.
@@elizabethscott7660 Who's John Farnham? 🤣🤔
@@jordanhalkier81 Celine Dion is a real vocalist. A Vocal Legend and isn't on a list of great singers. 🙄🙄🙄
John Farnham of Australia should be on it.
to add to Lalah Hathaway I would add Lauren Daigle as well as others
Music (and all Arts) is all about emotion. Vocalists are tasked with conveying that emotion. People like, for example, Floor Jansen, do this in spades but will not be on this list as they are not universally known. Frankly, the likes of Maria Carey and Whitney Houston may be technically brilliant but they leave me cold emotionally and would never be on my list.
😭 Whitney Houston leaves you emotionless? I cried literally yesterday after watching her performance of One Moment In Time.
Emotion is subjective. I don’t feel that much emotion from Floor’s in most of her performances. I’m sorry, it’s just true. But she is a wonderful performer at singer.
Yeah, I agree about Floor. She has a voice that could heal the most broken soul. th-cam.com/users/shortsTb0WspZMTec I´m living proof of that after listening to her daily brought me out of a decade of darkness. No doctor , no therapy or medicine helped me. But Floor did.. I went from emotionless without a tear in 10 yrs to constant tears, goosebumps and serenity every time I listened. She also has a stage presence and charisma that is breathtaking.
Lalah Hathaway to me should be tops - just watch her with Snarky Puppy live singing Something
Steve Perry at #86 is a total joke. He's considered one of the great voices in rock history. Please do a reaction to his work with Journey and solo material.
I am an avid listener of western and Indian songs (not familiar with k-pop though) so I can tell that in this list there are many Indian singers who can be arguably placed in top 10. But yes,.I assume that this is from US perspective 🤦
I know right especially lata and nusrat can outsing anyone
Celine should be there. A fact not an opinion. I haven't checked the list but is Christina Aguilera even there? She's a top 10 of all time. How about Cyndi Lauper??? Anastasia???? David Phelps? Yolanda Adams????
You go man! Totally agree
All these list are always subjective we would all have a different list having been listening to music over 50yrs and not having seen the list meatloaf would be high on my list as would tarja who would be. my no1 but that's just me also Roy orbison probably the best male pop voice ever happy new year nina 😊🎸
I believe they mean an artistic "voice". Some are technicians, while others are just original or move the listener in other ways.
@xninaschofield319. Yes?
Even though I’m not a lover of Celine’s music. Even I would say her not being on this list. Is a total disgrace.
The fact that Ronnie James Dio is only 168 shows that once again, Rolling Stone doesn't have a clue what it's talking about!
Not trying to be the devil's advocate here but I believe the fact they are using "greatest" and not "best" means they are also considereing elements such impact, longevity, originality, versatility, uniqueness. That's why some people who have amazing voices yet little impact rank so low. Just my take on it.
Still doesn't support their argument... because even if you set aside the "voice" aspect of Celine, she still ticks all those boxes on impact, longevity, versatility, legacy, breadth of catalog etc.... so this is really indefensible on Rolling Stone's part.
@@CDCPH582 of course!! Celine’s case is absolutely outrageous. We love her and respect her.
Well that’s exactly what they explained in the intro and then they Missed Madonna.
Anyway I’ll try to do my 200 lol but for now here a personal top 10
1 Freddie Mercury
2 Jon Bon Jovi
3 Madonna
4 Michael Jackson
5 Steven Tyler that man is so good live and so effortless in his singing that sometimes you can get confused if he is doing playback. He sounds exactly like he sounds on record but have him in 5th spot since I’m not that much familiarized with the whole Aerosmith catalogue.
6 Lady Gaga
7 Celine Dione
8 Adam Levine
9 Whitney Houston
10 Mariah Carey
If its about song writing then the list becomes worse because I don't think Elvis or Beyonce ever wrote a song they sung
Do not make sense this list. I agree with you. Celine Dion have to be into the ten 10. But what a mistake not to include Celine in that silly list
Whole list just seems like a way to praise Beyonce. But they know they couldn't put her at #1, so they just place other African Americans there, which could be her favourites. She could easily be swapped with MJ, or chuck her down to #800.
😂what
The problem is, non-musician music fans usually assume what they think is sounding good actually IS good. Which is never, or rarely, linked. I, as a musician, openly admit that I LOVE some music that is technical really simple and also hate some bands who play extremely difficult stuff. The key is to disconnect your personal taste from the thoughts about being "technical great". But I fear that's an argument that will never stop.
A typical conversation:
Me: So what music do you listen to?"
Them: "Oh, only good music!"
Me: So you only listen to classical music?"
Them: "Huh?"
Snobbery.
Don't take it too seriously. RS did it intentionally to get more people to come to their irrelevant publication. Best way to protest it just unsubscribe and stop buying that crap magazine.
The last list in 2007 miriah carey betwen 90 and 100 I think. why they move on top 10 what's changed between 2007 and now
Was Barbra Streisand, Ella Fitzgerald, Nat King Cole on that list? Pink? Not having Celine on it makes it not credible IMO anyway.
On your point that RS probably going for the singer-songwriter argument... Their Top 2 literally never wrote their own songs (except for a handful that their fans would point out). But they are generally not known for their songwriting skills, rather they are known for their "voice" which again would contradict RS argument that they are not focusing on the "voice." As to the criteria they had set i.e. breadth of catalog, influence, legacy.... damn, Celine Dion ticks all those boxes! The interns who made the list obviously were not aware of Celine's French catalog.... her French music has been culturally and musically impactful in French and French-Canadian culture.... I wouldn't be surprised if her French career is being taught in university in French schools. But then again, the US doesn't care about other cultures, other countries. The list is US-centric and desperate to be branded as "cool." Instead of aiming for coolness, why not try "relevance." As Pink had just said, RS hasn't been relevant since the 90s.
And where is Christina Aguilera 😥
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Xtina should be in the top 20.
@@skinvald that’s a shame! If these ass kissers placed Beyoncé in the top 10 so should Xtina! Sheeesh
How is Freddie not in the top 5?
You're so right. These lists are so wrong!
Where is Ian Gillian, George Michael, John Farnham, Anna from Abba , Barry Gibb, Andrea Bocelli🤔
And they didn't dig into non-american artists very deeply. What about singers from other countries like India, Australia, Portugal, etc.
For example: I'm Australian so if I made a list of best singers I would include John Farnham, Oliver Newton-John, Bon Scott, Sia, Jimmy Barnes, Guy Sebastian, Vanessa Amorosi...because these are just a few great singers / vocalists from Australia. And I'm sure everyone has a list like this for their own countries.
There is no way that anyone could say that Billie Eilish is a better singer than John Farnham & I really like Billie Eilish.
Andrea bocelli lolololol tf?
Please listen to rumi poetry song from Homayoun Shajarian either
This list is full of........biased opinions...that's it , also I've commented something it looks like it has been deleted , but yeah they robbed alot of great singers & added very questionable ones
Yes I agree, so many great singers missing, all with unique qualities to offer - apologies if your original comment is missing, I’m not sure where it’s gone ❤
@@ninaschofield no no it's fine it was quite confusing with the comments
As for voice, surely that means Morgan Freeman, Michael Buffer, David Attenborough, would have a chance!?
Elvis ...come on .?
where is Lara Fabian, johnny Farnham, Jimmy Barnes, Tina Arena... etc....
There is only one singer I know who has had a number one hit in 5 different decades and he can cry on a song or scream on a song and still sound good....Michael Jackson
Les faltó Dimash!!!
beyonce is at 8 and christina is in the 1oo something hahahahaha mariah carry num 5 seriously the woman cant sing anymore