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Honestly, the only thing I liked about the 550 package was the action during restarts, but then in about 3-4 laps the cars were back to mini packs and struggling with dirty air
Because the package was specifically designed for "exciting restarts" to distract from the terrible racing product and that's it. Nothing happens outside of it. That is the only reason Custer has a win in cup and the reason why Blaney won Michigan last year.
I think 2021 was better because there was less 550HP tracks than the previous 2 years. You had more Road Courses, Bristol Dirt, where the package doesn't matter that much. Also, a few of 550 tracks had pretty solid races this year. Michigan had its best race I've seen in a few years, and Homestead, but to be fair Homestead has been good for a long time now.
Homestead was good because the multi Groove racing.. not because the 550hp package... The others tracks could be multi groove but NASCAR took out the multi groove surface using the Resin....
We are literally talking about race cars. Low horsepower is an absolute disgrace. Throttle control is the most important aspect to car control ie: passing and speed. Horsepower will overcome aero drag, if you have the horsepower to achieve it.
I miss the days when Cup cars were very fast and going +200mph! It was beautiful and fun! (EDIT: Jesus Christ, so what if it was dangerous? RACING IS DANGEROUS! Enough debate! So stupid…)
@@krisisnotfunny5747 Even if the cars are safer, the sport is still potentially dangerous and the number of heavy crashes on superspeedways has increased in the recent years after they removed the restrictor plates. And besides that, the Gen-6 was introduced in 2013 and there were still high speeds above the 200 mph border but less crashes that gave you goosebumps. The sport will always be dangerous, but that's no reason to slow it down. There are more ways to make it safer. This ain't 2001.
imo i think 2021 got that high of a rating because while the racing wasn't amazing, it was miles better from both 2019 and 2020. compared to what we used to have, it was mediocre at absolute best. but compared to the prior two seasons of that package? pretty great. having less 550 tracks on the schedule definitely helped as well, with the addition of a few road courses as well as darlington being switched to the 750 package
Short tracks and road courses were great. Tracks like Kansas and Charlotte were hard to watch. It really sucks seeing the 600 being run with such a crappy package.
I think one thing a enjoyed about this past season was NASCAR’s willingness to try new tracks, Bristol on dirt was criticized but it was a big step, and I’d like to see a good mix of dirt, asphalt oval and road courses in the future.
I think NASCAR needs to go to all the tracks it can like Kentucky, tracks in Washington or Oregon. Mid-Ohio, tracks in states that have not had Cup races in years.
Done some testing in iracing with the updated next gen 670 package and while I know it may not be a perfect representation of real life, I was able to get up to 190 on my own at Fontana. Could be exciting seeing them get close to 200mph in the draft there
205 on that track is not bad because of the tire wear. At Michigan, it can get hairy. And I don’t blame divers if the 220 mph entry speeds like they had on the repave scares drivers a little.
2021 had more races run with the 750 package than the 550 one, so it makes sense that people would enjoy it more than 2020 and 2019. There’s also going to be bias coming from the fact that the most popular team was absurdly dominant.
The 2014 season was one of the last seasons I found exciting. The tires couldn’t handle the power, I heard that was a big reason for the hp reduction. Haven’t been a big fan of the racing the last few years, but I’m looking forward to seeing the next gen car in action.
I want more of 2014. High power, high downforce. Low power is necessary for 2.5 mile superspeedways because of the danger, but we don't need it for 1.5 tracks. I don't think it's about blown engines, it's Nascar trying to create Daytona style pack racing at Charlotte, Vegas, Kansas, Texas, Kentucky, Atlanta and Homestead.
It's hilarious that some ppl think the lower HP cars with more downforce is great racing. The cars used to have 850 HP with minimal downforce and the drivers actually had to drive the cars. I agree with Carl.
Engine failures are a part of racing and it should remain a part of racing. The sport is an engineering feat and getting the cars to run at optimum conditions for the duration of these long races is what makes racing interesting. If a team wants to run their engines to certain lengthy distances and it blows up, they made the decision. If a team wants to shave tenths of an inch off of some engine assembly because it nets them some hp at a cost of durability, let them. It is a team sport, and a sport of competitive advantage, creating an artificial handicap is not what the fans want to see. However, the racing last year was better than 2017 or 2018 (Because cars couldn't race side by side without completely wrecking), though, it is not a good solution for that main problem of the time. In 2014, the cars were fast, but they tanked in dirty air because they had a bunch of downforce with the massive rear spoiler and being heavily taped to the ground, also side skirt effects (increasing side force and width of dirty air). Like every problem, there is a solution. However, not all solutions reduce the problems and/or keep fan satisfaction up. The Next Gen at least has fixed some of the problems of Gen-6, though its created a few more, and I wish I could open a comments section about the car, regularly, where fans weren't complaining about the numbers, diffusor, or wheels because it abandons tradition.
The solution to the cost of durability would be a cap on the # of engines per season opens up all sorts of channels for abuse(look at Mercedes in F1). If you've got a super loaded team what's keeping them from running engines that blow up at mile 501 of 500 every single week? But then again that's an artificial handicap.
@@thejusmar I think there is some room for error with artificial handicaps, more error than maybe my initial response made clear. NASCAR currently is deep into artificial handicaps. What you proposed would be a good compromise to balance the playing field. Far better than significantly reducing the hp in order to preserve engines. It adds another factor that the teams must consider and puts the responsibility back in the teams hands.
I mean treat them as gas or tires... a cunsumable and it leads to great races... Which beisdes you can make a high Horse power un stressed engine Dodge, Ford has done it Albeit it means Nascar would have to move to a supe charger but still.
@@thejusmar as an F1 fan primarily, not a Mercedes fan but failure is part of racing since it started. For decades they were going through multiple engines, sometimes one each race. With nascars roots I truly don’t understand why everything has to be “more fair” and slower. I wouldn’t be surprised if they decided to give everyone a trophy in the next few years. Their governing body has taken a pretty awesome machine race and turned it into kid glove central. It’s ridiculous what it’s become.
I think the 2021 season was great because of the new schedule, the amount of drama, big wrecks every week, and we saw things we never saw in nascar before the 2021 season.
In 2021, the packages changed per track, high downforce low hp at big tracks but high HP, low downforce at road, challenging 1 miles and short tracks, I think that’s where the best racing was
In the late '80's, they figured out that above 200mph, cars turn into airplanes. So they brought back (yes, brought back) the restrictor plate, choking the engines down to half their potential horsepower,. This, in turn, created The freight train styled spectacle now known as "Plate Racing". Sardine solid rush hour packs of flat on the floor cars, waiting, for "The Big One." (As you might have guessed, I'm a short track guy...) Now I'll watch your video and see how I did!
It is to keep the cars from flying into the grandstands, like what happened at Talladega and Kyle Larson bush race crash at Daytona. & safety factors do to a bad crash in a test at Daytona where a car flew out of the track & into the infield in 2018 before the season started & wasn't televised
2021 season was the first full season following the pandemic, and it also saw quite a few team shuffles of drivers, meaning with different drivers behind different machines, it was a bit more uncertain who was going to do well, and who was going to suffer.
almost everyone is somewhat aggressive and doing their best by giving us a good race. 2021 season is clearly a good season. can't wait for the next season
550 package is awful. They need to run a 670 package with no restrictor plates at Daytona and Talladega and an 850 package everywhere else. That would put speeds over 200mph on the superspeedways and the 1.5's. That would get me interested in the sport again. I've been watching Johnson in Indy lately.
1. 550 HP, while not great, had some solid races this year. 2. Less 550 HP racetracks thanks to more road courses. 3. The playoff format actually creating interesting scenarios/narratives like it was intended to. 3.5. Kyle Larson. God, what a redemption arc on every level.
The reason why NASCAR is like this because they kept touching the Gen 6 packages and making it worse… Gen 1-5 (hopefully Gen 7)>Gen 6. The Gen 6 is disgraceful
@@AJTheLEGOFan don’t get me wrong, Adam. I enjoyed the 2013, 2014, and 2016 season. But the issue is that they kept fixing the Gen 6 when it doesn’t need fixing and it honestly hurt the cars. They were also way too aerodynamic as well
Wow this situation is very much like what F1 just experienced. 2021 was the last season of the high downforce cars, but it was one of the best seasons in history
It's not the package, it's the tracks. Gen 1 and 2 packages show that. You can get 4:54 on any track surface, it doesn't have to be the copy-paste 1.5 ovals that clog the schedule. Adding new and diverse layouts that challenge drivers is the solution to this because all it takes is one or two teams to nail the regs and you'll have another crushing stretch of Jimmy Johnson winning every damn race.
This! It’s bad having close to half the races on the same style tracks, let alone the god awful 1.5 mile tracks that only have slight variations in how the one straight away slightly kinks “differently”.
been watching Nascar since the mid 70's, and in my opinion has been going downhill ever since the "tossing" of WINSTON CUP! Nascar continues to do whatever they want whenever they want, or don't want ruining the sport! Just my opinion but how long can they continue to do this while exclaiming how great it is. The ONLY reason I still watch is because of the Nascar pool I'm in! Nascar, in my opinion will never see the numbers or ratings that 70's-90's racing built up, those days are gone!
I'm a fairly casual nascar fan, and I don't care to watch most of the mile and a half tracks. I mean, I'll put them on if I've got nothing going on, but I don't go out of my way to watch them. Personally I prefer watching the short tracks and road courses. Usually I'll also make an effort to watch Daytona or Talledega, but I feel like the unpredictability and what seems like randomness with the last minute crashes at the super speedways can make it the luckiest and not always the best driver that wins.
@@quinnschroetlin there was once a time where the 1.5-2 mile tracks did take a lot of skill and tire management. Mainly Chicagoland, Atlanta, Michigan and Homestead. Those tracks always put on a show when the horsepower was high and the downforce was lower.
I used to go to the track on Tuesday through Monday.. camping, practice, qualifying and the race. Fan Zone is nothing to see anymore. And the cars are slower.. Etc
Definitely am excited for the gen 7 cars since they no longer will seem to be glued to the track and have more HP over the much displeased presence of the 550 package
@@jamesgentry13 I mean like how the gen 6 is glued to the ground from a aero prospective the independent suspension definitely gonna be the main key of drivers crossing the line or eating the safer barriers like a morning breakfast
When was it ever safe? The cars are better built now than they were 20 years ago. Really no good reason they can't go faster now, aside from cars getting airborne. That will always be a byproduct of racing at speeds in excess of that which would cause one of them to get airborne. As far as making the cars easier to drive, the way I see it, they are very well compensated to do something that the majority of fans will never get to do, so I could care less how hard their cars are to drive. They dry their eyes with hundred dollar bills.
Safety is miles better than it was even 10 years ago, so I don’t think safety is that good of an argument anymore. 20 years ago I would agree to go slower because a crash at that speed would most likely be fatal. Now those same crashes would most likely have the driver walking away.
Why does it have to be safe? People die every year just to bring you Alaskan King Crabs. Why is it that you think that millionaires who do what they love as race car drivers' safety is so important that it should impact them doing their job of entertaining fans.
theres a balance thats really hard to find, like you want the cars to be stable for safety reasons, nobody wants to see drivers constantly losing grip and flying into the walls, but at the same time the racing gets boring if it *never* happens, like if theres no risk then its not fun. if the cars are built to stay perfectly planted on the pavement and the drivetrains are so lightly stressed that they never fail, then its just gonna be a merry-go-round. nobody ever ever makes a mistake that loses them ground, and nobody can take any risks to gain ground.
2021 became a great season because it was the season after covid came along that in 2020 had cancelled races, no fans at tracks ECT then 2021 came with a brand new fresh of air feeling that having fans back with the new schedule having more road courses, Kyle Larson's second chance, Elliott coming off a championship win, last year before next gen arrives, it didn't matter what package we ran last year we had some bad races and still it was a great season
I think you nailed it in your closing statement. 2021 brought a lot more variety to the season track lineup which was really enjoyable. Eliminating having to slug through 2 visits to every shitty 1.5mile track, making up nearly half the season. More road courses, dirt tracks, short tracks, and just the extra variety in general made the season much more enjoyable. They cut down massively on the number of 1.5mile races we had to sit through.
Here is the reason not mentioned in the video, Chevy, Ford and Toyota went to NASCAR and told them to either lower the HP or they were going to leave NASCAR. Why? Simple... engines are expensive. Tearing down and rebuilding nearly 1000HP engines after every race gets expensive. It all comes down to expense, which let us be honest with ourselves, teams can't help but spend themselves into a hole they can't crawl out of. That isn't NASCAR's fault... that is on the teams.
The thing is.. you can lower the horspower, and not kill speeds and throttle response like they did. They could have lowered the horespower and NOT made that 550 high downforce package they did. If 550 was for the manufacturers... like they said... then why are are going back to 670? And why run 750 at more than half the schedule? And then they SAID 670 was within the range for manufacturers. They may have lowered horsepower for manufacturers, but they created that awful 550 package because they wanted pack racing.
@@infernal_mtndew2943 NASCAR lowered it to 750 for the manufacturers, 550hp was for pack racing, anybody could see that. NASCAR wanted to use 2 packages for smaller and bigger tracks in 2019 originally but the teams bitched about cost, so we got the 'one size fits all' package that year. Engines are one of the biggest expenses teams and manufacturers face. You have to make them last. Hell, Chevy, Ford, and Toyota weren't fans of NASCAR increasing HP. The teams weren't either. But they can just deal with it.
Many people think seasons such as 2021 are good because of ENTERTAINMENT. They don’t like the packages that go with the entertainment though, which is why we’re pushing for more Hp, (the 550 package was focused on entertainment).
They raised the horse power to keep the cars the same speed. They added way more downforce, and hence drag, so to keep the cars the same speed they needed more horsepower. Atleast from what Ive read and heard, I think it will exacerbate the issue far more than help it.
I've had a huge gripe with NASCAR over their philosophy regarding rules packages since 2019. I absolutely cannot stand it, from both a spectating point of view and a driving point of view. Now obviously I've never gotten behind the wheel of a real cup car, but I spent a lot of time with the closest thing in iRacing, which follows the current rules packages very closely. When NASCAR releases a new generation car, they scan it and add it onto the simulation. As soon as they brought the 2019 package over and you can drive a cup car flat out 100% at a track like Atlanta with slick old asphalt and barely any grip, that killed it for me. They latched onto this idea of turning every 1.5 mile track into a restrictor plate/pack race kinda track and it just doesn't interest me in the slightest. Bring the HP back up, take away a lot of the downforce and especially the reliance on aero grip, more specifically ground effect aero from the cars being slammed into the track with a massive front splitter and side skirts creating a ton of suction into the track. We don't need to be going as fast as we were in 2014, but 200mph at the end of the straightaway at a place like Michigan or Pocono in qualifying trim? I don't think that's unreasonable really. Make the cars spend a lot more time off-throttle in the corners, faster straightaway speeds, slower cornering speeds. That's what would bring me back as a fan of the sport. At least for the faster 1.5 mile and up tracks. If you wanna keep the higher downforce packages for short tracks, that's fine with me. Even with the 2019+ packages, the short tracks still proved to be the most exciting and interesting races on the schedule consistently. I've been a dedicated follower of the sport since about 1997 when I was old enough to understand what I was watching on TV. That stopped about midway through 2019. It really irks me that the people in charge over at NASCAR are so out of touch with what their dedicated fanbase wants. We're not all dumb idiots who just tune in for the wrecks. For a lot of us, pack racing isn't the only thing that makes stock car races exciting. A lot of us thoroughly enjoy the technical side of things and the race-craft.
Throw out restrictor plates, but cut compression to keep speeds in check. This would make racing a race not a dance for the right spot in traffic. Also have one outlaw race every season, run what you brung, anything goes. Of course a smaller track for speed and safety concerns. I would love to see what the teams came up with.
What smaller track? Run them at Talledega unrestricted with empty grandstands. 235 mph down the back straight where you actually have to drive through the turns instead of just holding the throttle wide open all the way around the track. The current crop of Hollywood wheel holders that call themselves stock car drivers would be way past their skill level at those speeds. It would take drivers like Richard Petty, Dale Sr, Buddy Baker, David Pierson, those old school drivers that could really wheel a stock car.
I like the road courses the best and hate the demo derby short tracks! 1 short track race had more yellow flag laps than green! I have trouble staying awake on long red flags and even some yellow flags!
Only 2 things I don't like about the next gen cars. 1. One lug nut. (Like formula One?) 2. They look more like Grand Prix cars rather than classic. (Like formula One?) I may just be a boomer generation but I miss the old days.
The early Gen 6 cars floored me with how fast they were and raced closely enough to not bore me. For context, I was ten years old in 2013. I want to see the cars be able to get away from each other. I want to see the best drivers distinguish themselves with car control skills. I want to see speeds that leave my jaw on the floor. I want the best teams shine brightest and not have their equipment torn up in massive pileups. Derestrict the engines and revert to the 2016 aero package. Anything less than the 2013 package is not worth a damn. Alas, to make such changes, NASCAR would need to pull its head out of its ass. Not likely.
I work at a 3D printing company and we made the air vents in the windshields for them. If you look at the middle top of the windshield, that rectangular air inlet is what we printed for them. Allows fresh air to the driver as well as the engine. Pretty neat that we are making parts for NASCAR. My company is Stratasys.
Your vents were featured on the telecast of the Watkins Glen race that started in the rain. Apparently, there is a snap in/out filler piece in the vent that can be fitted when raining and quickly removed if need be ?
@@davenorman6717 That part I don’t know about. I’m m not running that project just seen the parts. Nice to see things we make being used professionally though.
I think 2021 was considered a good season for a few reasons. 1. The new tracks that were added were pretty good (excluding Nashville which was mediocre in my opinion) 2. Less 550 tracks than previous years 3. The early season variety in winers 4. The parody between the cars 5. The road course racing was Excellent 6. The Elliott-Harvick rivalry 7. The Kyle Larson redemption arc 8. The Olympic break helped to give nascar fans a rest from the long slog of boring summer races 9. The excellent F1 season made people in general more interested in motorsports 10. FOX’s “best season ever” advertising
@@abyss18 Then there is no reason to have stages. Once again, the stages are there to provide commercial breaks and bunch the field back up, pure and simple. I know NASCAR touts it as part of an overall championship, but its clearly there to make the TV product more watchable.
Muh safety precautions. Look, I care about the safety, but if they can still at least get to 200 mph, then I'm satisfied. Seeing them hang at 190-ish is painful.
I remember some people that I am in a Nascar discord server really liked the racing and skill behind it some of the road courses and short tracks cause its not like the big tracks where you are always on the gas and not like the 1.5’s and keeping it interesting by shaking it up more than just having cookie cutters like Kansas and Chicagoland
I grew up watching nascar as a kid the last time I officially watched nascar was in 2011, for some reason I really like the old stock cars from 2005 in nascar.
Personally, 2021 season caught me interested to watch again because it had a lot of variety in racing. We got more rovals, road course, and introduction of bristol dirt was really surprising as well. + We had some intense racing on rains. I showed to some of my friends who always make a joke of nascar, they blew their mind. Now next season with more horsepowers? Boy I can't wait!
It honestly blows my mind that people think NASCAR is lowering HP for "safety." No one ever died during NASCAR's fastest era and season on 1.5 milers(2014). No one at SS since Earnhardt and there was reasons he passed that have been fixed. NASCAR wants closer racing. That's it. They couldn't care less about driver safety.
Because restrictor plates have been used as a reactionary measure in response to catastrophic or fatal crashes. Adam Petty and Kenny Irwin's deaths got restrictor plates put on at New Hampshire, Bobby Allison's wreck at daytona in '88 got plates put on Daytona and Talladega.
Take everything great about a product , change it and see what happens. Race fans want speed. They want Good guys vs Villains. They want blown engines. They want wrecks. Ultimately, we as humans want exciting drama filled racing that keeps us on the edge of our seat (or standing for 3 hrs.) That is entertaining and will drive more people to spend more money. Older fans know where I'm going with this. The 90's......The formula was just right and NASCAR benefited greatly from it. Bring it back or die trying is my opinion. Looking @ the stands-You need to do something.
I want to see 700-900 hp and low downforce. Thank you Kyle Larson for dominating last year and sending them back to the drawing board. We nascar fans do not like nutered engines.
It is sure gonna be exiting today at California/AutoClub , they were spinning out in practice and qualifying. The track is so ruff . You hit a bump with wheel in it and your going for a ride..Chase Elliott spun his out being the last car to qualify, and from what I seen he could've got the pole, now idk if he has to start in the back because he will have to change tires.
2021 was a good year for cup racing in the fact that u had Denny Hamlin running super consistent each week putting the pressure on Kyle Larson who not only had a double digit win season (the first time in like 15 years) but also that just a year before he was banned from Nascar. Also in Xfinity series you had a great story with Allmendinger comin back, Gragson running right there again for a chip, Hemric getting his first win and Championship, and most important the “Let’s Go Brandon” chants that started the trend at following sport events in 2021 across the nation
I think one of the reasons 2021 was really good because it was the last season with the old car so im sure a lot of team's where putting all there effort we seen 10+ different winners something we haven't seen in a long time also the return of hendrick motorsports. What made it special with me was seeing all 4 Hendricks motorsports drivers finishing 1 2 3 4 at Dover after not going to a nascar race in 7 years and then seeing Alex win again at pocono. Crazy
They've ruined Nascar. They really hurt the sport with the chase in 2004. They completely killed the sport with stage racing in 2017. They need the 2014 car package with the 2003 points system. Neither will ever happen, which is why the sport will continue to decline.
I do miss the speed but they got it right for 2021. That was my favorite season since 2014. I was at both Vegas races. Seeing the leaders hold 3 wide constantly for over a lap. All of us in the stands were going ballistic. We hadn’t seen racing that fun in years at a 1.5 mile. 2021 had a lot. Rivalry’s, a major driver rebound. Crashes but nothing deadly. Entertaining road courses. Small teams winning. Lots of different winners. A hard manufacture points battle. Records broken. It was a swan song for the gen6
I'm disappointed they went away from the 750. I was at the September race in Richmond and thought it was a great race. It 'll be interesting to see how good it is with 670.
Sometimes I think it is a matter of safety, to avoid possible injuries to the pilots to be involved in accidents at high speed, mainly in Superspeedways, but that in turn has taken away a little the essence of the category, in this case there should be a balance. With 750 hp is enough, except Superspeedways.
2021 wasn't that bad. There were some crazy new tracks, new rivalries, Corona wasn't such a big deal anymore and the story of a driver who was at the bottom last year and this year at the peak of his career speaks for itself. I also really tried to enjoy it, because I sure will miss the old Gen 6 cars with all these things that we have to say goodbye to. So maybe the racing wasn't that good, but the new things NASCAR brought in and all the stuff happening made it enjoyable, I guess.
Idk about slower. Pole speed at Charlotte is 10mph faster in 2021 than 1987. 20mph faster at Michigan (2019). And 14mph faster at Phoenix (1988). Talladega and Daytona have been intentionally slowed, but the speeds everywhere else have gone up considerably. Rusty Wallace hit 228mph at Talladega 18 years ago (2004), which is 16mph faster than Bill Elliott’s 1987 record, without actually trying to make a pole qualifying lap.
NASCAR lost me when they started using the same body package for all cars no matter what make/model they are....feels like they are funny/phoney cars not a car you can get off the showroom on Monday. It is no longer "Stock Car" racing if they don't even match the profile of the real car, IMO.
The cars were actually running lower HPs in 1998 look up the 98 Busch Race at Texas it proves it - So complaining that there slower today I don’t believe they are - they still go pretty fast even some of the hits these guys take are still brutal with all the safety advancements
The last season was good mainly because we all knew the car was on the way out so nostalgia played its way in. Also they tried a bunch of new tracks so even if the races weren’t good you spent a long time looking forward to Bristol dirt , Nashville, and Cota to see what it’s going to be.
Gen 4 and 5 of nascar will always be my favorite. The cars were harder to drive and I think the speed mixed perfectly with drafting. It (for me) was the golden age of nascar (besides to 90s that I didn’t get to watch). 90s-2010 Cars will always be the best in my book. Everything after is just junk and I don’t care for it at all.
Many people I spoke to said the reason they enjoyed the 2021 season so much is because the dominant team won the championship. Saying that Kyle Larson would have won even on the old NWC points system. Personally I found the 2021 season entertaining, but am much more excited for this current season with the new package.
IMHO I think the package, speeds, etc. haven't been the biggest problem over the past 2 decades: it's the tracks. NASCAR wanted to get into bigger markets and sponsors wanted less torn up cars heading into the 2000s, thus came the advent of the 1.5 mile cookie cutters. And they've been hit or miss at best. Auto Club and Atlanta have the right idea, turning themselves into a short track and superspeedway, respectively. The 2021 season was great was because there was less of these tracks, which utilized the 550 package.
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High horsepower, high downforce. That's what I want.
I like ARCA, it feels more like an old-school NASCAR, albeit I don't know if they go as fast or not on tracks.
NASCAR took a knee years ago.
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Honestly, the only thing I liked about the 550 package was the action during restarts, but then in about 3-4 laps the cars were back to mini packs and struggling with dirty air
i agree
I disagree, to me the restarts were nothing but a cluster fuck of over aggression in go-karts at a kids track.
Because the package was specifically designed for "exciting restarts" to distract from the terrible racing product and that's it. Nothing happens outside of it. That is the only reason Custer has a win in cup and the reason why Blaney won Michigan last year.
@@WastdTrashPanda Thats exactly what makes it good.
And going wide open more than half the run on low tire wear tracks. Why I like the 750 package, it creates some tire wear.
I think 2021 was better because there was less 550HP tracks than the previous 2 years. You had more Road Courses, Bristol Dirt, where the package doesn't matter that much. Also, a few of 550 tracks had pretty solid races this year. Michigan had its best race I've seen in a few years, and Homestead, but to be fair Homestead has been good for a long time now.
that's actually a really good conclusion for the question. Not nearly as much of the schedule is 1.5 miles anymore
Homestead was good because the multi Groove racing.. not because the 550hp package... The others tracks could be multi groove but NASCAR took out the multi groove surface using the Resin....
yep all the schedule changes is what made 2021 the best season in a while
Homestead was a 750 race.
@@JoeyWilliamsJOLO No... Homestead is a 1,5mile track.. so... was a 550hp high downforce race
_and it’s a NEW TRACK RECOR-…_
tapered spacers and restrictor plates: *_no._* 🔃
We are literally talking about race cars. Low horsepower is an absolute disgrace. Throttle control is the most important aspect to car control ie: passing and speed. Horsepower will overcome aero drag, if you have the horsepower to achieve it.
True. The speeds may be getting too slow. They don’t need to be 214 mph fast, but bellow 190 is depressing.
Yeah cuz lets go 230 at talladega
Shame they haven't been going 400 mph. Come on nascar, it's almost 2024 hundred
I miss the days when Cup cars were very fast and going +200mph! It was beautiful and fun!
(EDIT: Jesus Christ, so what if it was dangerous? RACING IS DANGEROUS! Enough debate! So stupid…)
And deadly
@@Katkiller5.2 Not as deadly as Newman's 2020 Daytona 500 crash and Logano's 2021 Talladega crash
@@hansmitdergans7879 Bro..Those crashes had safe equipment and every Gen-6 crash wasn't deadly than races before 2000's
@@krisisnotfunny5747 Even if the cars are safer, the sport is still potentially dangerous and the number of heavy crashes on superspeedways has increased in the recent years after they removed the restrictor plates. And besides that, the Gen-6 was introduced in 2013 and there were still high speeds above the 200 mph border but less crashes that gave you goosebumps. The sport will always be dangerous, but that's no reason to slow it down. There are more ways to make it safer. This ain't 2001.
@@Katkiller5.2 racing is a dangerous sport, you are not discovering nothing new.
imo i think 2021 got that high of a rating because while the racing wasn't amazing, it was miles better from both 2019 and 2020. compared to what we used to have, it was mediocre at absolute best. but compared to the prior two seasons of that package? pretty great. having less 550 tracks on the schedule definitely helped as well, with the addition of a few road courses as well as darlington being switched to the 750 package
Bristol dirt made is that good I guess
Short tracks and road courses were great. Tracks like Kansas and Charlotte were hard to watch. It really sucks seeing the 600 being run with such a crappy package.
I think one thing a enjoyed about this past season was NASCAR’s willingness to try new tracks, Bristol on dirt was criticized but it was a big step, and I’d like to see a good mix of dirt, asphalt oval and road courses in the future.
If I want to watch road races I'll watch Porsches. Nascar needs to go back to their roots.
I loved Bristol dirt. I enjoyed having a few road races, I don't think I'd want any more though. Looking forward to the Clash.
@@vercingetorix444 Yeah 7 or whatever seems to be the max in my book. Don’t want any more than that.
I think NASCAR needs to go to all the tracks it can like Kentucky, tracks in Washington or Oregon. Mid-Ohio, tracks in states that have not had Cup races in years.
@@PapiDoesIt spoken like someone that’s never been to the glen. The new gen cars are gonna be crazy on the road course with the 5 ways and IRS
tbh I can actually agree back in the old days like 2013 and below that’s when nascar was actually good
Use the gen 4 or 2014 package
@@noahhall5211 gen 5 was really good
2013 is not back in the old days lmao go back to gen 4 days to see actual good racing at all tracks not just restrictior plates
@@YungM0nęy1 gen 4 was not that great just nostalgic
Done some testing in iracing with the updated next gen 670 package and while I know it may not be a perfect representation of real life, I was able to get up to 190 on my own at Fontana. Could be exciting seeing them get close to 200mph in the draft there
They were at 205-210 at Fontana in 2019 before they were derated. Now the best they got was 190. We’ll see this year.
Hoping to see 200 hit on the speed board in turn 1. I have tickets for Saturday and Sunday
205 on that track is not bad because of the tire wear. At Michigan, it can get hairy. And I don’t blame divers if the 220 mph entry speeds like they had on the repave scares drivers a little.
High horsepower. High downforce. That's what I want to see.
@@noviranger88 yep those were some fun races
2021 had more races run with the 750 package than the 550 one, so it makes sense that people would enjoy it more than 2020 and 2019. There’s also going to be bias coming from the fact that the most popular team was absurdly dominant.
But there was dominance from Gibbs as well.
You mean Kyle Larson, the driver, was absurdly dominant.
The 2014 season was one of the last seasons I found exciting. The tires couldn’t handle the power, I heard that was a big reason for the hp reduction. Haven’t been a big fan of the racing the last few years, but I’m looking forward to seeing the next gen car in action.
I want more of 2014. High power, high downforce. Low power is necessary for 2.5 mile superspeedways because of the danger, but we don't need it for 1.5 tracks. I don't think it's about blown engines, it's Nascar trying to create Daytona style pack racing at Charlotte, Vegas, Kansas, Texas, Kentucky, Atlanta and Homestead.
I honestly think the 670 should be for Talladega and Daytona. 850 elsewhere.
I want more HP like 750 plus and less downforce. I don’t care if someone wins by 10 seconds! They kicked ass and congratulations!
Exactly
No rules and no non stock cars . No cages . No belts . Bias plies.
Couldn't have said it better.
@@dennisford2000 hey if thiers people crazy enough to do it why not. They're adults
It's hilarious that some ppl think the lower HP cars with more downforce is great racing. The cars used to have 850 HP with minimal downforce and the drivers actually had to drive the cars. I agree with Carl.
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Engine failures are a part of racing and it should remain a part of racing. The sport is an engineering feat and getting the cars to run at optimum conditions for the duration of these long races is what makes racing interesting. If a team wants to run their engines to certain lengthy distances and it blows up, they made the decision. If a team wants to shave tenths of an inch off of some engine assembly because it nets them some hp at a cost of durability, let them. It is a team sport, and a sport of competitive advantage, creating an artificial handicap is not what the fans want to see. However, the racing last year was better than 2017 or 2018 (Because cars couldn't race side by side without completely wrecking), though, it is not a good solution for that main problem of the time. In 2014, the cars were fast, but they tanked in dirty air because they had a bunch of downforce with the massive rear spoiler and being heavily taped to the ground, also side skirt effects (increasing side force and width of dirty air). Like every problem, there is a solution. However, not all solutions reduce the problems and/or keep fan satisfaction up. The Next Gen at least has fixed some of the problems of Gen-6, though its created a few more, and I wish I could open a comments section about the car, regularly, where fans weren't complaining about the numbers, diffusor, or wheels because it abandons tradition.
The solution to the cost of durability would be a cap on the # of engines per season opens up all sorts of channels for abuse(look at Mercedes in F1). If you've got a super loaded team what's keeping them from running engines that blow up at mile 501 of 500 every single week? But then again that's an artificial handicap.
@@thejusmar I think there is some room for error with artificial handicaps, more error than maybe my initial response made clear. NASCAR currently is deep into artificial handicaps. What you proposed would be a good compromise to balance the playing field. Far better than significantly reducing the hp in order to preserve engines. It adds another factor that the teams must consider and puts the responsibility back in the teams hands.
I mean treat them as gas or tires... a cunsumable and it leads to great races... Which beisdes you can make a high Horse power un stressed engine Dodge, Ford has done it Albeit it means Nascar would have to move to a supe charger but still.
@@thejusmar as an F1 fan primarily, not a Mercedes fan but failure is part of racing since it started. For decades they were going through multiple engines, sometimes one each race. With nascars roots I truly don’t understand why everything has to be “more fair” and slower. I wouldn’t be surprised if they decided to give everyone a trophy in the next few years. Their governing body has taken a pretty awesome machine race and turned it into kid glove central. It’s ridiculous what it’s become.
It's called Race go fast
I think the 2021 season was great because of the new schedule, the amount of drama, big wrecks every week, and we saw things we never saw in nascar before the 2021 season.
In 2021, the packages changed per track, high downforce low hp at big tracks but high HP, low downforce at road, challenging 1 miles and short tracks, I think that’s where the best racing was
In the late '80's, they figured out that above 200mph, cars turn into airplanes. So they brought back (yes, brought back) the restrictor plate, choking the engines down to half their potential horsepower,. This, in turn, created The freight train styled spectacle now known as "Plate Racing". Sardine solid rush hour packs of flat on the floor cars, waiting, for "The Big One."
(As you might have guessed, I'm a short track guy...)
Now I'll watch your video and see how I did!
It is to keep the cars from flying into the grandstands, like what happened at Talladega and Kyle Larson bush race crash at Daytona. & safety factors do to a bad crash in a test at Daytona where a car flew out of the track & into the infield in 2018 before the season started & wasn't televised
You sure that happened I feel like we would have heard of a car leaving the track during a test
@@josephhedderman9897 yeah, and not every bad crash is made public knowledge
@@troygroomes104 well do you have a link to something that confirms this happened?
@@josephhedderman9897 I watched it from my Private fighter prototypes ultra high definition camera whilst flying at over 90,000ft altitude
2021 season was the first full season following the pandemic, and it also saw quite a few team shuffles of drivers, meaning with different drivers behind different machines, it was a bit more uncertain who was going to do well, and who was going to suffer.
almost everyone is somewhat aggressive and doing their best by giving us a good race. 2021 season is clearly a good season. can't wait for the next season
I wanna see more flying in the air action.
550 package is awful. They need to run a 670 package with no restrictor plates at Daytona and Talladega and an 850 package everywhere else. That would put speeds over 200mph on the superspeedways and the 1.5's. That would get me interested in the sport again. I've been watching Johnson in Indy lately.
This was a really fun video to watch man!
Now hear me out, if this logic applied in pixar, mcqueen would have still been the fastest nascar racer
1. 550 HP, while not great, had some solid races this year.
2. Less 550 HP racetracks thanks to more road courses.
3. The playoff format actually creating interesting scenarios/narratives like it was intended to.
3.5. Kyle Larson. God, what a redemption arc on every level.
The reason why NASCAR is like this because they kept touching the Gen 6 packages and making it worse…
Gen 1-5 (hopefully Gen 7)>Gen 6. The Gen 6 is disgraceful
I agree with this
i get your reasoning that the Gen 6 package was bad, but don't call the whole car bad. it was safe and it had some good moments
@@AJTheLEGOFan don’t get me wrong, Adam. I enjoyed the 2013, 2014, and 2016 season. But the issue is that they kept fixing the Gen 6 when it doesn’t need fixing and it honestly hurt the cars. They were also way too aerodynamic as well
Wow this situation is very much like what F1 just experienced.
2021 was the last season of the high downforce cars, but it was one of the best seasons in history
21 was the end of the costly and dirty air producing cars lol
It's not the package, it's the tracks. Gen 1 and 2 packages show that. You can get 4:54 on any track surface, it doesn't have to be the copy-paste 1.5 ovals that clog the schedule. Adding new and diverse layouts that challenge drivers is the solution to this because all it takes is one or two teams to nail the regs and you'll have another crushing stretch of Jimmy Johnson winning every damn race.
This! It’s bad having close to half the races on the same style tracks, let alone the god awful 1.5 mile tracks that only have slight variations in how the one straight away slightly kinks “differently”.
been watching Nascar since the mid 70's, and in my opinion has been going downhill ever since the "tossing" of WINSTON CUP! Nascar continues to do whatever they want whenever they want, or don't want ruining the sport! Just my opinion but how long can they continue to do this while exclaiming how great it is. The ONLY reason I still watch is because of the Nascar pool I'm in! Nascar, in my opinion will never see the numbers or ratings that 70's-90's racing built up, those days are gone!
I'm a fairly casual nascar fan, and I don't care to watch most of the mile and a half tracks. I mean, I'll put them on if I've got nothing going on, but I don't go out of my way to watch them. Personally I prefer watching the short tracks and road courses. Usually I'll also make an effort to watch Daytona or Talledega, but I feel like the unpredictability and what seems like randomness with the last minute crashes at the super speedways can make it the luckiest and not always the best driver that wins.
@@quinnschroetlin there was once a time where the 1.5-2 mile tracks did take a lot of skill and tire management. Mainly Chicagoland, Atlanta, Michigan and Homestead. Those tracks always put on a show when the horsepower was high and the downforce was lower.
I used to go to the track on Tuesday through Monday.. camping, practice, qualifying and the race. Fan Zone is nothing to see anymore. And the cars are slower.. Etc
Definitely am excited for the gen 7 cars since they no longer will seem to be glued to the track and have more HP over the much displeased presence of the 550 package
Also cars look closer to their real life counterparts.
The rear defuse and independent suspension will keep the. Glued to the ground
@@jamesgentry13 I mean like how the gen 6 is glued to the ground from a aero prospective the independent suspension definitely gonna be the main key of drivers crossing the line or eating the safer barriers like a morning breakfast
And ride higher in the front end. The bugs need to be worked out, but so far it looks like a success.
Id like to see stock cars regularly going 200 mph+ but unfortunately it doesn’t seem safe
When was it ever safe? The cars are better built now than they were 20 years ago. Really no good reason they can't go faster now, aside from cars getting airborne. That will always be a byproduct of racing at speeds in excess of that which would cause one of them to get airborne. As far as making the cars easier to drive, the way I see it, they are very well compensated to do something that the majority of fans will never get to do, so I could care less how hard their cars are to drive. They dry their eyes with hundred dollar bills.
Bobby Allison 1987 crash.
Safety is miles better than it was even 10 years ago, so I don’t think safety is that good of an argument anymore. 20 years ago I would agree to go slower because a crash at that speed would most likely be fatal. Now those same crashes would most likely have the driver walking away.
@@tylerkoch5255 Current rules are to protect the fans. I'll get in touch after the WWT Race in June. Tickets man/lady!! (I am open minded)
Why does it have to be safe? People die every year just to bring you Alaskan King Crabs. Why is it that you think that millionaires who do what they love as race car drivers' safety is so important that it should impact them doing their job of entertaining fans.
Why? Safety, cost, and NASCAR attempting to make more tracks "plate" tracks - which failed completely.
theres a balance thats really hard to find, like you want the cars to be stable for safety reasons, nobody wants to see drivers constantly losing grip and flying into the walls, but at the same time the racing gets boring if it *never* happens, like if theres no risk then its not fun.
if the cars are built to stay perfectly planted on the pavement and the drivetrains are so lightly stressed that they never fail, then its just gonna be a merry-go-round. nobody ever ever makes a mistake that loses them ground, and nobody can take any risks to gain ground.
2021 became a great season because it was the season after covid came along that in 2020 had cancelled races, no fans at tracks ECT then 2021 came with a brand new fresh of air feeling that having fans back with the new schedule having more road courses, Kyle Larson's second chance, Elliott coming off a championship win, last year before next gen arrives, it didn't matter what package we ran last year we had some bad races and still it was a great season
I hope nothing happened to you raw gator it's a new season and I'm surprised you haven't been posting much. Much love 💜
The cars have better aerodynamic these days especially in reverse during a spin! We should be able to allow them to go faster
I was at Pocono last year, and there were high speeds that gave the fans a show on the last lap during the first race of the doubleheader weekend.
*Finally a video I needed!*
I think you nailed it in your closing statement. 2021 brought a lot more variety to the season track lineup which was really enjoyable. Eliminating having to slug through 2 visits to every shitty 1.5mile track, making up nearly half the season. More road courses, dirt tracks, short tracks, and just the extra variety in general made the season much more enjoyable. They cut down massively on the number of 1.5mile races we had to sit through.
Here is the reason not mentioned in the video, Chevy, Ford and Toyota went to NASCAR and told them to either lower the HP or they were going to leave NASCAR. Why? Simple... engines are expensive. Tearing down and rebuilding nearly 1000HP engines after every race gets expensive. It all comes down to expense, which let us be honest with ourselves, teams can't help but spend themselves into a hole they can't crawl out of. That isn't NASCAR's fault... that is on the teams.
The thing is.. you can lower the horspower, and not kill speeds and throttle response like they did. They could have lowered the horespower and NOT made that 550 high downforce package they did. If 550 was for the manufacturers... like they said... then why are are going back to 670? And why run 750 at more than half the schedule? And then they SAID 670 was within the range for manufacturers. They may have lowered horsepower for manufacturers, but they created that awful 550 package because they wanted pack racing.
@@infernal_mtndew2943 NASCAR lowered it to 750 for the manufacturers, 550hp was for pack racing, anybody could see that. NASCAR wanted to use 2 packages for smaller and bigger tracks in 2019 originally but the teams bitched about cost, so we got the 'one size fits all' package that year.
Engines are one of the biggest expenses teams and manufacturers face. You have to make them last. Hell, Chevy, Ford, and Toyota weren't fans of NASCAR increasing HP. The teams weren't either. But they can just deal with it.
Right I’ve had enough of this sad miserable comments. So RawGator this video was lovely
Many people think seasons such as 2021 are good because of ENTERTAINMENT. They don’t like the packages that go with the entertainment though, which is why we’re pushing for more Hp, (the 550 package was focused on entertainment).
I'm sure NASCAR did increase some speed when the Gen 4 car came in in 1992.
That was just me.
The new young drivers can not handle those top high speeds like the veterans back in the past
They are trying to give guys who aren't as good of drivers the chance to win. That's the way I see it.
You are exactly right!
They raised the horse power to keep the cars the same speed. They added way more downforce, and hence drag, so to keep the cars the same speed they needed more horsepower. Atleast from what Ive read and heard, I think it will exacerbate the issue far more than help it.
Gone are the days when sex was safe, and racing was dangerous.
I've had a huge gripe with NASCAR over their philosophy regarding rules packages since 2019. I absolutely cannot stand it, from both a spectating point of view and a driving point of view. Now obviously I've never gotten behind the wheel of a real cup car, but I spent a lot of time with the closest thing in iRacing, which follows the current rules packages very closely. When NASCAR releases a new generation car, they scan it and add it onto the simulation. As soon as they brought the 2019 package over and you can drive a cup car flat out 100% at a track like Atlanta with slick old asphalt and barely any grip, that killed it for me. They latched onto this idea of turning every 1.5 mile track into a restrictor plate/pack race kinda track and it just doesn't interest me in the slightest.
Bring the HP back up, take away a lot of the downforce and especially the reliance on aero grip, more specifically ground effect aero from the cars being slammed into the track with a massive front splitter and side skirts creating a ton of suction into the track. We don't need to be going as fast as we were in 2014, but 200mph at the end of the straightaway at a place like Michigan or Pocono in qualifying trim? I don't think that's unreasonable really. Make the cars spend a lot more time off-throttle in the corners, faster straightaway speeds, slower cornering speeds. That's what would bring me back as a fan of the sport. At least for the faster 1.5 mile and up tracks. If you wanna keep the higher downforce packages for short tracks, that's fine with me. Even with the 2019+ packages, the short tracks still proved to be the most exciting and interesting races on the schedule consistently.
I've been a dedicated follower of the sport since about 1997 when I was old enough to understand what I was watching on TV. That stopped about midway through 2019. It really irks me that the people in charge over at NASCAR are so out of touch with what their dedicated fanbase wants. We're not all dumb idiots who just tune in for the wrecks. For a lot of us, pack racing isn't the only thing that makes stock car races exciting. A lot of us thoroughly enjoy the technical side of things and the race-craft.
I agree with Carl Edwards. No down force on the race cars and a 1,500 horse power V8 engine. And no restrictor plates at any race tracks at all.
1500??? That’s a little much 😂
Throw out restrictor plates, but cut compression to keep speeds in check. This would make racing a race not a dance for the right spot in traffic. Also have one outlaw race every season, run what you brung, anything goes. Of course a smaller track for speed and safety concerns. I would love to see what the teams came up with.
What smaller track? Run them at Talledega unrestricted with empty grandstands. 235 mph down the back straight where you actually have to drive through the turns instead of just holding the throttle wide open all the way around the track. The current crop of Hollywood wheel holders that call themselves stock car drivers would be way past their skill level at those speeds. It would take drivers like Richard Petty, Dale Sr, Buddy Baker, David Pierson, those old school drivers that could really wheel a stock car.
Taking away the speed = Taking away the thrill
*Change my mind.*
I like the road courses the best and hate the demo derby short tracks! 1 short track race had more yellow flag laps than green! I have trouble staying awake on long red flags and even some yellow flags!
Only 2 things I don't like about the next gen cars.
1. One lug nut. (Like formula One?)
2. They look more like Grand Prix cars rather than classic. (Like formula One?)
I may just be a boomer generation but I miss the old days.
Grand Prix cars have no roof and no fenders. Gen 7 cars look a bit like TA2 cars with ducktails instead of wings.
The early Gen 6 cars floored me with how fast they were and raced closely enough to not bore me. For context, I was ten years old in 2013.
I want to see the cars be able to get away from each other. I want to see the best drivers distinguish themselves with car control skills. I want to see speeds that leave my jaw on the floor. I want the best teams shine brightest and not have their equipment torn up in massive pileups. Derestrict the engines and revert to the 2016 aero package. Anything less than the 2013 package is not worth a damn.
Alas, to make such changes, NASCAR would need to pull its head out of its ass. Not likely.
I work at a 3D printing company and we made the air vents in the windshields for them. If you look at the middle top of the windshield, that rectangular air inlet is what we printed for them. Allows fresh air to the driver as well as the engine. Pretty neat that we are making parts for NASCAR. My company is Stratasys.
Your vents were featured on the telecast of the Watkins Glen race that started in the rain. Apparently, there is a snap in/out filler piece in the vent that can be fitted when raining and quickly removed if need be ?
@@davenorman6717 That part I don’t know about. I’m m not running that project just seen the parts. Nice to see things we make being used professionally though.
I think 2021 was considered a good season for a few reasons.
1. The new tracks that were added were pretty good (excluding Nashville which was mediocre in my opinion)
2. Less 550 tracks than previous years
3. The early season variety in winers
4. The parody between the cars
5. The road course racing was Excellent
6. The Elliott-Harvick rivalry
7. The Kyle Larson redemption arc
8. The Olympic break helped to give nascar fans a rest from the long slog of boring summer races
9. The excellent F1 season made people in general more interested in motorsports
10. FOX’s “best season ever” advertising
7??? THAT'S the problem, too much crybaby WOKENESS, starting with Jim and Brian France.
I think all of us agree, we want faster cars and we don’t want stages
I don't agree with either, stages are fine just remove the caution, then next gens at intermediates are amazing as they are
@@LoxyLight You cant remove the cautions from the stages, it's why the stages are there to begin with, to bunch the field back up.
@@AsylumSaint did you watch cota weekend?
@@AsylumSaintof course you can remove stage cautions. you can still give points at the end of a stage but keep it green
@@abyss18 Then there is no reason to have stages. Once again, the stages are there to provide commercial breaks and bunch the field back up, pure and simple. I know NASCAR touts it as part of an overall championship, but its clearly there to make the TV product more watchable.
Muh safety precautions.
Look, I care about the safety, but if they can still at least get to 200 mph, then I'm satisfied. Seeing them hang at 190-ish is painful.
in Michigan, the cars were going past 200+mph. The most I saw I think was 202mph
I would say Daytona and Talladega fits with the miles of F1 and Indy
It’s cause of the motors when they got faster that meant they had really big motors but since there getting slower means they have smaller motors
Hopefully the 670hp will be a starting trend of the cars going faster again
I remember some people that I am in a Nascar discord server really liked the racing and skill behind it some of the road courses and short tracks cause its not like the big tracks where you are always on the gas and not like the 1.5’s and keeping it interesting by shaking it up more than just having cookie cutters like Kansas and Chicagoland
I really hope Carl edwards goes back to roush with now Brad being there Roush Fenway could be competitive again.
The 99 is own by Trackhouse and the 16 for Kaulig. RFK could bring back the 60 or 97 car.
@@realbaron5714 yeah and edwards doesnt have to use the 99 number he could use a different number it just matters that hes in the sport again
I grew up watching nascar as a kid the last time I officially watched nascar was in 2011, for some reason I really like the old stock cars from 2005 in nascar.
Personally, 2021 season caught me interested to watch again because it had a lot of variety in racing. We got more rovals, road course, and introduction of bristol dirt was really surprising as well. + We had some intense racing on rains. I showed to some of my friends who always make a joke of nascar, they blew their mind. Now next season with more horsepowers? Boy I can't wait!
I honestly want to see them run the old Formula 1 layout at Indy.
It honestly blows my mind that people think NASCAR is lowering HP for "safety." No one ever died during NASCAR's fastest era and season on 1.5 milers(2014). No one at SS since Earnhardt and there was reasons he passed that have been fixed. NASCAR wants closer racing. That's it. They couldn't care less about driver safety.
Because restrictor plates have been used as a reactionary measure in response to catastrophic or fatal crashes. Adam Petty and Kenny Irwin's deaths got restrictor plates put on at New Hampshire, Bobby Allison's wreck at daytona in '88 got plates put on Daytona and Talladega.
The reason why NASCAR removed spoilers from cars is that they increase the likelihood of making cars go airborne. Just a fun fact.
Which I really liked…
*Edward's accident flashbacks*
Take everything great about a product , change it and see what happens. Race fans want speed. They want Good guys vs Villains. They want blown engines. They want wrecks. Ultimately, we as humans want exciting drama filled racing that keeps us on the edge of our seat (or standing for 3 hrs.) That is entertaining and will drive more people to spend more money. Older fans know where I'm going with this. The 90's......The formula was just right and NASCAR benefited greatly from it. Bring it back or die trying is my opinion. Looking @ the stands-You need to do something.
I want to see 700-900 hp and low downforce. Thank you Kyle Larson for dominating last year and sending them back to the drawing board. We nascar fans do not like nutered engines.
It is sure gonna be exiting today at California/AutoClub , they were spinning out in practice and qualifying. The track is so ruff . You hit a bump with wheel in it and your going for a ride..Chase Elliott spun his out being the last car to qualify, and from what I seen he could've got the pole, now idk if he has to start in the back because he will have to change tires.
2021 was a good year for cup racing in the fact that u had Denny Hamlin running super consistent each week putting the pressure on Kyle Larson who not only had a double digit win season (the first time in like 15 years) but also that just a year before he was banned from Nascar. Also in Xfinity series you had a great story with Allmendinger comin back, Gragson running right there again for a chip, Hemric getting his first win and Championship, and most important the “Let’s Go Brandon” chants that started the trend at following sport events in 2021 across the nation
I think one of the reasons 2021 was really good because it was the last season with the old car so im sure a lot of team's where putting all there effort we seen 10+ different winners something we haven't seen in a long time also the return of hendrick motorsports.
What made it special with me was seeing all 4 Hendricks motorsports drivers finishing 1 2 3 4 at Dover after not going to a nascar race in 7 years and then seeing Alex win again at pocono. Crazy
They've ruined Nascar. They really hurt the sport with the chase in 2004. They completely killed the sport with stage racing in 2017. They need the 2014 car package with the 2003 points system. Neither will ever happen, which is why the sport will continue to decline.
2021 had a lot of awesome storylines throughout the year and that was the appeal to me.
I miss 2014
don't we all
I do miss the speed but they got it right for 2021. That was my favorite season since 2014. I was at both Vegas races. Seeing the leaders hold 3 wide constantly for over a lap. All of us in the stands were going ballistic. We hadn’t seen racing that fun in years at a 1.5 mile. 2021 had a lot. Rivalry’s, a major driver rebound. Crashes but nothing deadly. Entertaining road courses. Small teams winning. Lots of different winners. A hard manufacture points battle. Records broken. It was a swan song for the gen6
nascar has been ruinimg racing for years, they never disappoint me.
but it's been more exciting than it's ever been. But to each their own.
2021 was so great because of the 750 races. Literally can’t remember anything memorable from the rest.
I'm disappointed they went away from the 750. I was at the September race in Richmond and thought it was a great race. It 'll be interesting to see how good it is with 670.
Sometimes I think it is a matter of safety, to avoid possible injuries to the pilots to be involved in accidents at high speed, mainly in Superspeedways, but that in turn has taken away a little the essence of the category, in this case there should be a balance. With 750 hp is enough, except Superspeedways.
for me you can tell when a car goes by at 210 mph compared to 190 on tv doesn't matter but in the stands it every thing
I don't watch it for a fast race. I watch it for a good race.
The 550 package has ruined Texas. 😠
Nice
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@@RawGator Nice
2021 wasn't that bad. There were some crazy new tracks, new rivalries, Corona wasn't such a big deal anymore and the story of a driver who was at the bottom last year and this year at the peak of his career speaks for itself. I also really tried to enjoy it, because I sure will miss the old Gen 6 cars with all these things that we have to say goodbye to. So maybe the racing wasn't that good, but the new things NASCAR brought in and all the stuff happening made it enjoyable, I guess.
Idk about slower. Pole speed at Charlotte is 10mph faster in 2021 than 1987. 20mph faster at Michigan (2019). And 14mph faster at Phoenix (1988).
Talladega and Daytona have been intentionally slowed, but the speeds everywhere else have gone up considerably. Rusty Wallace hit 228mph at Talladega 18 years ago (2004), which is 16mph faster than Bill Elliott’s 1987 record, without actually trying to make a pole qualifying lap.
NASCAR lost me when they started using the same body package for all cars no matter what make/model they are....feels like they are funny/phoney cars not a car you can get off the showroom on Monday. It is no longer "Stock Car" racing if they don't even match the profile of the real car, IMO.
The cars were actually running lower HPs in 1998 look up the 98 Busch Race at Texas it proves it - So complaining that there slower today I don’t believe they are - they still go pretty fast even some of the hits these guys take are still brutal with all the safety advancements
Shit.... I remember the cars cresting 216mph to 221mph.... Those were racing days!
The last season was good mainly because we all knew the car was on the way out so nostalgia played its way in. Also they tried a bunch of new tracks so even if the races weren’t good you spent a long time looking forward to Bristol dirt , Nashville, and Cota to see what it’s going to be.
Gen 4 and 5 of nascar will always be my favorite. The cars were harder to drive and I think the speed mixed perfectly with drafting. It (for me) was the golden age of nascar (besides to 90s that I didn’t get to watch). 90s-2010 Cars will always be the best in my book. Everything after is just junk and I don’t care for it at all.
Lap 25, Michigan Fall race - "hi Danica, fancy seeing you here..."
All drivers hate the new car
Many people I spoke to said the reason they enjoyed the 2021 season so much is because the dominant team won the championship. Saying that Kyle Larson would have won even on the old NWC points system. Personally I found the 2021 season entertaining, but am much more excited for this current season with the new package.
IMHO I think the package, speeds, etc. haven't been the biggest problem over the past 2 decades: it's the tracks. NASCAR wanted to get into bigger markets and sponsors wanted less torn up cars heading into the 2000s, thus came the advent of the 1.5 mile cookie cutters. And they've been hit or miss at best. Auto Club and Atlanta have the right idea, turning themselves into a short track and superspeedway, respectively. The 2021 season was great was because there was less of these tracks, which utilized the 550 package.
Great video. Bring back the horsepower!
Fans will blame moving the door # forward for the cars being slower.