It's one of the best lines in the entire series for sure but the ending itself is such disappointing thing. Like u refuse and that's it. LET ME SEE THE BATTLE, let me see how my decision affected everything around. How my every companion/friend dies.
Should be a 2 parts misison: the first part you piloting (or Roleplay-wise) help Joker and EDI pilot the Normandy against endless waves of Reaper ships with endlessly ever increasing numbers and strength and difficulty. ... and when Normandy's eventually brought down to a crash, it's now you and your squad's turn to fight endless waves of Reaper ground units, with endlessly ever increasing numbers and strength and difficulty. You WILL be defeated. But how many of them will you be able to drag to hell with you? Earn your bragging rights!
I wanted to see all characters in desperation, the crucible not working, everyone dying, everything shepard stood for being destroyed, then, at the end, this hidden message
This ending would have been really good if not cause the producers came out to say that in the next cycle someone reaches the crucible and does "what you should have done" so... nothing changes. Wonderful.
You can unleash whatever pseudo-philosophy and "freedom BS" you want, but this ending is the biggest middle-finger to everyone who gave their lives in the 3 games. Why? Because Shepard is too pride to take action. So close, so many sacrifices... just to be harvested.
Damn right, my man. I couldn't agree more. That's why the perfect destroy ending is objectively the best, the only one in which the conflict with the reapers is resolved and not reconciled, the only in which Shepard and his crew get the happy ending they deserve.
@@abdullamaseeh5828 although I hate the fact that this ending kills the Geth and AI who are not bad per se. We learned to know them and then BAM - dead. It is still bitter sweet
yeah the refusal ending was an interesting addition to the game but just is just totally non-sensical to ever be a choice. You spend 3 games as shepard fighting to stop the reaper invasion and uniting galaxy and saving people but then at the very end shepard somehow has this reverse weird philosophy moment and decides a trillion people being harvested and turned into husk like creatures with no free will is somehow a better alternative.
@@AG-sj4om haha never thought of that but would be an interesting theory that they just have a back-up and could potentially "survive" a Destroy ending.
It's weird. This is the worst ending knowing that every civilization you've met, every person, is now dead. Turned to ashes like the cycles before them, yet this is the only ending (besides Destroy) that has Shepard actually act like the character that, if you chose to, stood defiant against a galaxy hellbent on destroying itself. As a paragon this dude could choose to end a centuries long war between the Quarians and Geth, or stop the Krogans slow march towards extinction. I'll never choose these endings thanks to the lovely works of modders, but out of the EC this speech is the absolute best thing to come out of it. Also fuck Bioware for originally having this ending lead to a Game Over screen.
So this basically confirms the starchild was really just a ruse created by the reapers, it almost sounds like he has a reaper voice when he says "so be it"
There's frustration in the "So Be It" voice... The Reapers are dumbfounded at the stupidity of Shepard... who has earned the ultimate choice, the ultimate power to decide, presented upon him on a silver platter... and he choose to crap on it. ... Actually I LOVE IT !!
Not a collective intelligence. He is an entity of his own. He was created before the cycles, before the reapers, when the leviathans dominated the galaxy.
Berzerk Llama the star childs voice is not theirs combined. you can hear meers and hales combined for echoe effects but only on some lines. your statement is just inanaccurate
Fans: Reeeh the game ending was bad, give us one where our choices mater Bioware: add more scenes, including where your team get injured so you do the last bit alone, add extra dialogue to the star child AND let you shoot him revealing the child was actually Harbinger trying to indoctrinate you, giving you a hidden ending. Fans: Reeeeeeh they trolled us waaah waaaahh
What else did you expect? Reapers are overwhelming all other forces, the last chance is this and you refuse to use it. So everyone dies, just another cycle for the reapers.
I chose synthesis as well because I thought I was the best possible ending. But now that I think about it, it was the worst one to pick even more then this one. Indoctrination theory says it's bad cuz u give into the reapers logic but not only that, even outside the theory you aren't creating peace, instead you're forcing a complacent loss of individuality, basically: the one thing that was worth fighting for u gave up. Peace by giving up freedom, Universal understanding by forfeiting free will.
OF COURSE ITS BAD! The most basic, fundamental thing that makes us what we are is our indivduality and freedom of choice. Sure its the reason for things that have to do with conflict, and causing of pain to others, but its worth having. Things arent made good because the world is made into a forced order where all things are one, the greater good comes from people making decisions to do right over wrong. The synthesis world is a cold, gray, emotionless world without the will of oneself. If it came to the world ending in fire or ice, I choose the glorious passion of fire over the uniform void of cold.
Ray Stevenson Perhaps I should elaborate. By "Necessarily a bad thing," I was implying the following: If we were free to do all the good we desired but did not have the free will to do evil, would the world be a better place? Certainly- the costs of freedom like conflict and inflicting pain are eliminated. Obviously, free will has a place in this world either way. The constant value of these locations is everywhere where good may be done. All other roads lead to oblivion, and should never have been psychologically possible. So then, assuming that only the freedom to do evil was taken from us, would that be bad as well to you?
I can see what youre saying, however to me free will is a thing that cant be limited, if it has any then i dont believe it to be true free will. Its intresting that you bring this up, cuz we were discussing something like this in my philosophy class awhile back. Anyway, the reason I say this is because well, I know this is touchy subject but just let me use this in for the sake of this argument. If we believe that God gave us free will, or a higher being as it would say, why would it allow us to do evil? Well simple, If I was a higher being it would be pointless to make my creations only do what I want, like any love or fellowship, we dont want programmed dolls we want living thinking individuals who may freely love us. The cost of free will is the existence of evil, but also makes 'higher good' which is goodness that is not done cuz we are suppose to but because we want to, and we feel it to be right. Now getting to your one point of 'perhaps if we could do all the good we wish but no evil.' I dont think thats freedom at all, we should be free because we can choose, if choice is limited, its not free. Perhaps it would bring a sort of 'good' to the universe by erasing conflict, however i believe in a 'higher good' a true and chosen act that was not forced.Even with all the evils and pain in the world, that one good act means more all the synthetic ones, ones that were programmed. We might have to agree to disagree on this one and I think I know why. Im no mind reader or anything, but Id like to you might be more of someone who thinks that if its universally benificial, then its ok. The happiness of all people justify the costs. There's nothing wrong with that, I however dont believe that. I believe there is more to right than just everyones happiness. I could not persay murder an innocent person, simply because the world is better for it. In the end, In my heart, I could never condone any violation of someones will simply because the world is better for it. SO I could never force that onto an entire galaxy, even for everlasting peace. It sounds stupid perhaps, but to me the ends dont justify the means, I could never take others choices away, they are what make us human.
Ray Stevenson I have seen this argument for free will sounded off in nearly every debate that contains the subject. Free acts are the only true acts, God gave us free will to keep the world from being bleak, and happiness is worthless if you are compelled to be happy. Oh, and to clear up any misconceptions, happiness is not my ultimate goal; purity is. Happiness is a positive side-effect of this. Now then, if you wish to hear the deconstruction of these points of which are advocating for complete free will, then please let me know. I will not shove this down your throat, considering the psyche behind the advocacy of free will. (pardon my Bulverism) I welcome the exchange, if you're okay with that.
There should’ve been an ending where you could refuse the endings and go down fighting the reapers and with enough assets under a united galaxy actually defeat the reapers without doing it their way.
In Codex ME1, it was written that modern races explored 1% of the Galaxy. So they live on 1% of the Galaxy and they have the resources of 1% of the Galaxy. The Protheans have taken control of the entire galaxy. That is all 100% of the Galaxy. And they have the resources of 100% of the Galaxy. Protheans with 100% resources lost. Modern races with 1% resources on their own cannot win
Everyone already knew they couldn't defeat the reapers by conventional warfare, and the crucible was their only desperate hope. That fact was established very clearly even by Shepherd himself
@@shlomorothstein9691 I think the reapers were extremely strong but they also had a weakness. Remember, in the final space battle, under constant fire a reaper fell (but was able to take down a ship with it) Also, in the final mission, you can take down a reaper with a well timed shot with the nuke launcher (in its beam when it's priming) Also also :D in the Rannoch mission, you did take down a reaper with the missiles guided by the Normandy. They're not invincible. but from a purely storytelling perspective, they had to make an enemy so very strong to raise the stakes. I'm torn, but losing the war in this cycle because you refused to use the crucible is a very poetic ending. Though I would love a dlc WHERE YOU FIGHT TEETH AND BONES, YET STILL LOSE
@@winterakitaki6878 No, the Rannoch Reaper was killed because the whole quarian fleet shot at it. And the sovereign was killed because a whole fleet aimed at it. There were millions of reapers, and they just didn't have enough ships to kill them all. There's no way they could win the war by conventional warfare.
As much as I like Shepard's last line in this ending, it doesn't make any sense for Shepard to do anything other than the destroy option if he doesn't like or trust the others. The only way I see Shepard refusing all options is if the genophage was sabotaged, the Quarians or Geth killed, most if not all his squadmates dying through the course of the series, and no romantic interest waiting for him. With no one to live for, and the galaxy having shown that it isn't worth saving, I'd end it "on my terms" too.
Ya know what, this ending is great. Finally a game is willing to say "You lose". A game that give it a chance to start a new. New characters and a new start. This ending shows you that an ending can be not happy. Maybe it's not the best, but hell I love the mass effect endings and I hope that they make the next game even better and not listened to all the but hurt people who can't live without a happy shepherd lives ending. God I'm glad he died, let the man rest, let them all rest.
They didnt know. Until the last minute when it was revealed that the crucible as a whole is the citadel itself. And there are people living in the citadel
The Citadel like the Mass relay are built from an unknown material, it take a asteroid bigger than Mass relay to destroy the Alpha Relay, i doubt the galaxy have enough resources or time to bring an asteroid the same size of the Citadel to destroy it
Its Harbinger. Its the same voice from ME2 ending. It all but confirmed the end was a indoctrination attempt. The "SO BE IT!" means that their attempts failed and Harbinger then just blows everyone up. Back then, Bioware all but confirmed it on twitter. Sadly in recent months they did a 180 on the theory because of ME4 coming out "in the future"
This just feels like a slap in the face, we hate the 3 coloured endings because all of them go against everything we fought for. We fought for peace between organics and synthetics and the Destory ending neuters that, we fought for freedom, individuality and against servitude and Synthesis demolishes it, we fought to destroy the reapers because controlling them is ethically and morally wrong and control is a spit in the face because of that. Rather than give us the happy ending people worked so hard for, it's a case of; don't like those endings? Fuck you. you lose EVERYTHING. And where does that leave the next cycle? All it does is pass the decision onto the next generation to make the decision we turned down so we lost everything for nothing.
At the end of the day it isn’t realistic to get a perfect ending with no compromise, as the illusive man said Shepard is going to have to make choices he’s not equipped to make. The geth honoured their promise to legion and gave their lives in the fight and all the races will hopefully take the lessons they’ve learnt from working with the geth and take better steps in the future with synthetics hopefully leading to peace between them. It makes sense that if a major EMP blast will kill all reapers it will kill all geth there’s no way around that unless u want a convoluted reason why itll kill the reapers and nothing else. 3 years late to this comment but I just finished the game and Im rly happy with the perfect destroy ending .
Only if you could choose this and win with a high Military Strength. That way you don't have to chose one of those BS ending and then Shepard could retire with Taking on the Homeworld and not Fuck everything up with the other endings.
They should have added the control+destruction ending where Shepard, being a 4D chess player, takes control of the Reapers then sends them all in the nearest sun.
What I like about this ending is that it’s the only ending where Shepard never submits to the catalyst or reapers will. After fighting so many reapers and being exposed to “artifacts” that indoctrinate everyone, Shepard remained strong willed. When indoctrination didn’t work the catalyst resorted to emotional scars by disguising itself as a kid and made Shepard believe he was responsible for the death. But In the end Shepard strong will over came the mental grasp of the reapers and led the strongest attack ever against. In a way Shepard still won and it clearly pissed off the catalyst when he said “so be it!”. Even though the reapers harvest this cycle and moved on, Shepard for once challenged them and probably fought the reapers the hardest in this cycle and never came to there tricks, for that the reapers feared and respected Shepard. So this ending isn’t so bad imo, it’s actually the most realistic, you wouldn’t want to finish this on your enemy terms.
I bet all the remaining galaxy would have preferred Shepard to be weaker-willed and pick any other option, that not let them be slaughtered and liquified. Also, I would want to finish the war on my enemy's terms if they had the firepower to obliterate a whole galaxy.
@@Daniel-ti9ul then you will never truly be free. When the reapers liquify you, you as an individual is dead but your memory is alive, but your soul has moved on, just like in the control ending. Shepard memory lived but Shepard was intact dead. Plus would you truly trust the reapers to keep there word, would you even really trust that they wanna “work” with you to find a “solution”. In the end we just gotta accept our demise and try our best to give the next cycle the best chance we can. It’s implied that the next cycle won in the after credit scene of the refusal ending. The reapers are very tough but not invincible and given ample warning and time to prepare, undoubtedly we can create technology on par with them. It’s also hinted that the reapers hit a technical stagnation, seeing how the protheans put up a better fight than most cycles including ours and took a few reapers with them and how our cycle had radical victories against them, the reapers were well aware that they can’t hide the proof of the cycles forever and we’re well aware that organic truly did have the potential to surpass them. The catalyst it’s self said that when it said “our solution no longer works”.
oh well, at least 20,000 of each council race is now in the andromeda galaxy continuing the milky way races and life, they left just in the nick of time, only they think there is still life in the milky way and the reapers don't exist and shepard is actually crazy
*Destroy = Ultimate renegade? --> Edi and Geth dies! *Synthesis = fuck it, equality for everyone? --> Everyone becomes hybrids/equal genetically *Control = Paragon-ish? --> Shepard now controls the reapers and makes them guards of the universe *Refuse = I give up, let things play out however? --> everyone keeps fighting and they die and a new cycle begins and it is the same thing all over again
The only person who I think of when I make these choices is Tali. How it will affect her when I die is the most important thing for me. I don't want her to die without any hope left so I don't refuse the choices. I don't choose Control because that goes against everything I believe in. I don't chose Destroy because that would mean destroying the Geth as well, meaning that the quarians' future where they don't have to live with their suits on is null and void, that would make all my previous choices to make peace between the quarians and the geth all for nothing. The only option I have left is Synthesis, and despite it basically joining all synthetic and organic life, it is the only choice where there is the least amount of death and it will create true peace.
I got this ending accidently when I played. While the catalyst was monologuing I shot him in the head with my little infinite ammo gun you have, just messing around assuming nothing would actually happen since it was basically a cut scene...wrong...It immediately triggered the "SO BE IT".
That was a cruiser that blew up. Hackett commands a dreadnought. You can tell the difference because a dreadnought has a rounded front while a cruiser has a gun on the front.
Destroying is the best ending. First because you're indoctrinated and Destroy means break the indoctrination. Second because the Mass Relays and all that was lost will be rebuild, and the reapers will never be again. And third because at the very ending, there is a scene that shows us Shepard still alive after the explosion and he BREATHS.
Screw this ending. There's nothing heroic or noble about it. Shepard chickens out because he lacks the resolve to sacrifice EDI and the Geth. He's too weak to accept that ANY cost is worth destroying that arrogant, self-righteous god child and its army of genocidal machines.
Upside to this ending: Shepard retains their freedom and basically says fuck you to the reapers through omission and ends it on their own terms. Downside to this ending: Everyone fucking dies.
This is really interesting... see really this is the right thing to do! But you see how the videogame and movie industry tries to illude your judgement on your decision by making this ending very tragic. It is a mind control sceme. If you chose this ending the first time on purpose then you are truly on the side of light.
this is this ending the same in the remaster version of the games series plus liara died young this in message it seems stupid but who says they didn't serve just because liara says died out didn't give us a clear last known moments of the current races she didn't show that last moments yes i know i'm being stubborn about it
I picked refuse because in my mind I had brought enough of the galaxy together that we would've been able to win and I didnt have to give in to one of the 3 options, but no i was wrong everyone died and we became the new protheans
I think this is the most morally sound ending (if you buy into the theme that synthetics were indeed living beings). Let everyone go out on their own terms. You don't get to choose who lives and dies. It is also the most thematically appropriate ending IMO. Also, Indoctrination theory is essentially canon in my mind (even though I know it wasn't intentional) so this lines up really well with beating the Reapers indoctrination attempt which even though our cycle succumbs, helps prevent what we learned from being sabotaged by an indoctrinated Shepherd. I think there is actually a lot of hope and positivity in this ending the more you think about it. It also plays nicely into the themes of inevitability and makes the story a more thought provoking journey where you have to take pleasure in the journey despite the destination that we know we will arrive at. "Would you let 20 million people die here to save 10 million over there" "then we'd be no better than the reapers"
@Adam Sunderman your job was to save your species and your civilization, if you has your chance to do that and you dont use it you are either idiot or traitor. No big reasons or morality survive or die. This ending option was the reapers last hope for being able to countinue their endless genocide for a poorly written algoritm. If you choose this that means you are failed willingly. And letting your species and culture die is plain evil. Its not complicated.
@Adam Sunderman You are mixing morality questions with professional questions. Sometimes for protecting whats important you have to choose the good and not the moraly right solution. I hope you will never have to choose any situation like this (of course in smaller scale) and I wish for you the best.
@AdamSunderman In this ending, you aren't refusing to choose who lives or dies. You _choose_ to let everyone who isn't a part of a primitive civilisation die, and very likely, everyone after your cycle. Compared to destroy it's kill everyone vs kill some and let everyone else survive. Nobody who would die otherwise lives in this ending.
Wait the reapers technically did not succeed, because of mass effect andromedas story the reapers never completely killed the krogan, humans, asari and turians.
+Charlie There's a massive time gap because the ship you're on in Andromeda is traveling far out and away from the galaxy. It takes place 500 years after Mass Effect 3 ends. It most certainly is canon.
You're correct. It is cannon. The Andromeda Initiative sets off between ME2 ending and ME3 beginning. The crew that leaves for Andromeda have no idea what is happening/happens in the Milky Way galaxy. Whether the Reapers succeeded in killing everybody else in the Milky Way galaxy...well, that depends on what happened in your game. There is no cannon ending to that.
So what you're saying is: if this ending was canon, the people from the Andromeda initiative might eventually come back to find all their species dead? harsh
The more I think the more this bugs me Think about it If the star child can legit just shut down the crucible on a whim because it’s feelings are hurt, why in the world would it let you destroy it? Or better yet can ANY of the choices it offers be trusted to be as advertised? Going down fighting on your own terms is the only real choice to make. Shepard uniting the galaxy together to fight and die shoulder to shoulder to the last is far more honorable than playing games with a child. Mass effect andromeda still happens, even with this ending the reapers FAIL because life will continue elsewhere. They fail to get us all
YES. Dude you are so based. This is the only right choice. Refuse the compromise put forward to you BY YOUR EXISTENTIAL ENEMY, fight to end the war on your terms. Sometimes it's not about winning or loosing, it's about taking a stand. Shepard didn't fight to become a robo-despot or commit a synthetic genocide or violate the bodily autonomy of the whole galaxy, Shepard fights for freedom. This is the only correct ending.
My DLC had russian subtitles so I didn't really know about this ending. Though, I heard that something happens if you shoot the kid after the conversation. Well, I shot it and I was like,: Well, I failed.
Pompidou No, she said that she stored all the information posible and Shepard was just an entry of it. Probably the biography of who lead the previous cycle(Shepard)
This ending is definitely still the worst. "I've got 3 perfectly good solutions to the problem, but nah, I'm gonna just doom the whole galaxy because of some misguided feeling of freedom."
I find this ending even more insulting and with the same lack of satisfaction as the rest...and the last scream of the fucking god child is in my opinion a way for the developers to scream at us...something like 'AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRR you wanted a different ending then *bang* here you go, and go fuck off ' . Onestly even with the extended dlc it still sucks...but 90% of the fans already know that.
I dont think they are AI's anymore, its kind of like how Legion flips out if you choose to destroy the geth. "Catalyst boy" isnt displaying that he's just saying hey you can destroy us if you want.
I think this ending makes Andromeda better to play, you have that failure in the Milky Way Galaxy in the back in your head and it makes you play Andromeda better to ensure Humanity will survive in the new galaxy
Well the option to refuse using the Crucible is there but i personally wouldn't chose it. The detroy ending is in my opinion the best one, mostly because Shepard survives the explosion and lives to fight another day.
Did you guys actually lsiten to what the story told you? Play The Leviathan DLC. Then listen to the story. Then listen to the extended cut. It's still not perfect, but acceptable. The Leviathan race had an interesting lifestyle, which included indoctrinating smaller, land dweller species, and using them to their needs. They used another races as those races used technology. But when the slave races created AI's to help them do tasks the leviathen used them for, a problem had risen. I suspect that the leviathans couldn1t controll AIs just like that, and when synthetic life revolted, sooner or later, since conflict is a way of life, they had no good solution for the problem. And their established life of peace and well being, remember there were probably no major confilicts, since the biological races were controlled by leviathan, so it was a new problem for them when AI made major conflict. So they decided to build an AI to solve this problem. But the AI was flawed i na way and had a twisted and limited understanding (since it was the product of a race with similar limits). So the AI made a solution that harvested the essence of all advanced sentiant life every 50.000 years. Point in case is that the reapers are a bank of these essences, but they also trap it within themselves. No conflict and no change for the harvested. But no reaper is jsut a simple synthetic either. THe crucible is basically a DLC for the Citadell, and it changes this AI, allowing Shepard to solve the conflict. - The refusal ending can be seen as... a refusal for real or imaginery chackles and a stand for freedom. But you fail if you choose it because you get harvested anyway. -The Red ending, or Destroy Ending would be one of the best. Fuck the Reapers, screw diplomatic and bullshit solutions. You came a really long way to destroy the reapers and you won't be having tea and biscuits with them now. However after considering the given explanations and the costs...losing the Geth and EDI, and destroying the essence of all previous races. You would really reconsider. - The Blue or Controll Ending would be the easiest to understand and the default to go choice. Sure, you condewmn yourself to eternal guardianship, which is both good and bad, but still. You don't kill synthetics, and even that the reapers don1t get blown to smithereens, you can controll them. But the AI says that this solution might not be stable, and you don't really gain anything from it. So you mgiht want to check out... -The Green or Synthesis Ending. It's not an accident that this is the "hardest" ending to unlock. This is the ending that gets you all the benefits of the blue ending with additional gain. Sure if you think about it it's a huge fucknig chance to change everything in the Galaxy and altoguh the AI ensures you that this solution is stable, you would think that suddenly turning everyone glowing green wouldn't win you any popularity awards. And you kind of want to fuck all the reapers up for what they've done. BUT: You are not there out of revenge, but to save the Galaxy. The AI seems to advertise this option by tellnig you that you gain all the vast knowledge the reapers had. You mgiht see the Reapers as something that has to be saved as well. In a way, the Reapers themselves are forced to do the harvest by the AI. IF you actually choose synthesis, EDI comments on the aftermath and hearing her opinions gives of the clue that Synthesis is a great decision. I'ce chosen Synthesis, otherwise I would have chosen Controll while wishing I could choose Destroy.
"the Reapers themselves are forced to do the harvest by the AI" - Rearpers are nothing more than AI. "IF you actually choose synthesis, EDI comments on the aftermath and hearing her opinions gives of the clue that Synthesis is a great decision." - A vacum cleaner with a sexy voice is still a vacum cleaner. "However after considering the given explanations and the costs...losing the Geth and EDI, and destroying the essence of all previous races. You would really reconsider." - They are all already gone, long dead. Period. Better thing would be to clone Javik, or make clones based on DNA from bones, like in Jurassic park. "THe crucible is basically a DLC for the Citadell, and it changes this AI, allowing Shepard to solve the conflict." - It's not a DLC but a patch. DLC extends, patch changes. Catalyst without a patch wouldn't allow for any other choice than cycles to continue. Catalyst is a Reaper, which means it is an AI. It won;t matter if you will try to reason with it or "DLC" it. You need a patch, or a virus. Crucible can ba called that as well. Patch or a virus, that alterates Catalyst way of thinking. Still a great game that makes people think.
Destroy ending doesn't really include trans humanism. It destroys it completely and allows everyone to build their own destiny after the reaper cycle is ended.
I don't really "get" this ending. Destroying the Reapers is the only logical choice. I understand rejecting control and synthesis, but if you can straight up destroy the Reapers, which has always been your goal, it makes no sense to refuse to do so when you are literally being handed the opportunity.
So you make this moral grandstand at the expense of all advanced civilizations, and then the next cycle that finally beats the Reapers will build the Crucible and choose destroy then.
@@zacsweeney5534 I think the whole point of the time capsule is so the next civilization advances more quickly in technology, thanks to Liara's information ... I mean, why *wouldn't* she include the mass effect technology in her data? (The sleeper ships that went to Andromeda were plenty fast, for example). Basically if they can get to dark space *before* the Reapers wake up from the cycle, then they could be easily destroyed and no one else dies.
3 years old comment i know, but the point is, to destroy the reapers, he had to sacrifice EDI and the Geth, countless innocent synthetics. Destroy ending finish ALL synthetics.
The other choices were very selfish since one man is deciding the fate of trillions... you may think " well same difference if you refuse everyone will die." But you see this game has a high level of trans-humanism. Do ypu know who believes in transhumamism? The occult. ( symbolized by the "Illusive Man" )
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Love the fact that the reapers are just like “ Ok, well this was a waste. Thanks i guess”
That ending is worth it just for that line, possibly the most kickass line in the whole series.
It's one of the best lines in the entire series for sure but the ending itself is such disappointing thing. Like u refuse and that's it.
LET ME SEE THE BATTLE, let me see how my decision affected everything around. How my every companion/friend dies.
FREEDOM FROM BIOWARE
Imagine if instead of some random dreadnought getting blown up we saw the Normandy get blown up
That would've been more impactful
@@gunzkillr2436 for sure
i would have preferred a mission that allows you to fight to the death or a cutscene that shows the Normandy going down in flames.
Should be a 2 parts misison:
the first part you piloting (or Roleplay-wise) help Joker and EDI pilot the Normandy against endless waves of Reaper ships with endlessly ever increasing numbers and strength and difficulty.
...
and when Normandy's eventually brought down to a crash, it's now you and your squad's turn to fight endless waves of Reaper ground units, with endlessly ever increasing numbers and strength and difficulty.
You WILL be defeated. But how many of them will you be able to drag to hell with you? Earn your bragging rights!
@@gendoruwo6322 Reapers quantity is not infinite.
did i mention freedom and being free? *eagle screams in the distance*
Probably one of the best speeches in the entire mass effect trilogy.
I wanted to see all characters in desperation, the crucible not working, everyone dying, everything shepard stood for being destroyed, then, at the end, this hidden message
This ending would have been really good if not cause the producers came out to say that in the next cycle someone reaches the crucible and does "what you should have done" so... nothing changes. Wonderful.
Yeah, that ending would be better if there was no such future, where next cycle won
Yeah but the harvest can' t continue forever, it' s statistically impossibile.
@@theillusiveman2139 Exactly this nothing truly lasts forever eventually someone else would've reached the same place Shepard did
You can unleash whatever pseudo-philosophy and "freedom BS" you want, but this ending is the biggest middle-finger to everyone who gave their lives in the 3 games. Why? Because Shepard is too pride to take action. So close, so many sacrifices... just to be harvested.
Damn right, my man. I couldn't agree more. That's why the perfect destroy ending is objectively the best, the only one in which the conflict with the reapers is resolved and not reconciled, the only in which Shepard and his crew get the happy ending they deserve.
@@abdullamaseeh5828 although I hate the fact that this ending kills the Geth and AI who are not bad per se. We learned to know them and then BAM - dead. It is still bitter sweet
yeah the refusal ending was an interesting addition to the game but just is just totally non-sensical to ever be a choice. You spend 3 games as shepard fighting to stop the reaper invasion and uniting galaxy and saving people but then at the very end shepard somehow has this reverse weird philosophy moment and decides a trillion people being harvested and turned into husk like creatures with no free will is somehow a better alternative.
@@arminxvs3372the geth are software they are prob backed up in a terminal somewhere, that’s what I like to believe at least
@@AG-sj4om haha never thought of that but would be an interesting theory that they just have a back-up and could potentially "survive" a Destroy ending.
In this ending Shepard never breaks.
It's weird. This is the worst ending knowing that every civilization you've met, every person, is now dead. Turned to ashes like the cycles before them, yet this is the only ending (besides Destroy) that has Shepard actually act like the character that, if you chose to, stood defiant against a galaxy hellbent on destroying itself. As a paragon this dude could choose to end a centuries long war between the Quarians and Geth, or stop the Krogans slow march towards extinction.
I'll never choose these endings thanks to the lovely works of modders, but out of the EC this speech is the absolute best thing to come out of it. Also fuck Bioware for originally having this ending lead to a Game Over screen.
So this basically confirms the starchild was really just a ruse created by the reapers, it almost sounds like he has a reaper voice when he says "so be it"
anthony He is the collective intelligence of all reapers. So he essentially is a reaper
There's frustration in the "So Be It" voice... The Reapers are dumbfounded at the stupidity of Shepard... who has earned the ultimate choice, the ultimate power to decide, presented upon him on a silver platter... and he choose to crap on it.
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Actually I LOVE IT !!
Not a collective intelligence. He is an entity of his own. He was created before the cycles, before the reapers, when the leviathans dominated the galaxy.
Berzerk Llama the star childs voice is not theirs combined. you can hear meers and hales combined for echoe effects but only on some lines. your statement is just inanaccurate
6 years of wrong
The "Refuse Ending", AKA the "Ending in which Shepard dooms the galaxy because he could not stop being a fucking libertarian."
No, it just doom humanity
@@eavyeavy2864 It does doom everyone. In this ending the Reapers win
@@EyebrowsGaming It dooms your cycle but this allows the next cycle to beat the reapers. Feels perfect imo
Lets be honest almost everyone in that galaxy has had a deathwish for 3 games
Refuse is fighting without sacrificing the soul of our species.
I don't think I'd ever have the heart to choose this ending, but god dammit the dialogue is so good.
I discovered by accident that you also get this ending if you shoot the kid.
Bioware: Don't like the ending, you say? Well then everyone dies! trololololo!
BioWare really pulled an end of evangelion lmao
Fans: Reeeh the game ending was bad, give us one where our choices mater
Bioware: add more scenes, including where your team get injured so you do the last bit alone, add extra dialogue to the star child AND let you shoot him revealing the child was actually Harbinger trying to indoctrinate you, giving you a hidden ending.
Fans: Reeeeeeh they trolled us waaah waaaahh
What else did you expect? Reapers are overwhelming all other forces, the last chance is this and you refuse to use it. So everyone dies, just another cycle for the reapers.
Nietzsche would be proud. Pure Overman.
I chose synthesis as well because I thought I was the best possible ending. But now that I think about it, it was the worst one to pick even more then this one. Indoctrination theory says it's bad cuz u give into the reapers logic but not only that, even outside the theory you aren't creating peace, instead you're forcing a complacent loss of individuality, basically: the one thing that was worth fighting for u gave up. Peace by giving up freedom, Universal understanding by forfeiting free will.
...And this is necessarily a bad thing?
OF COURSE ITS BAD! The most basic, fundamental thing that makes us what we are is our indivduality and freedom of choice. Sure its the reason for things that have to do with conflict, and causing of pain to others, but its worth having. Things arent made good because the world is made into a forced order where all things are one, the greater good comes from people making decisions to do right over wrong. The synthesis world is a cold, gray, emotionless world without the will of oneself. If it came to the world ending in fire or ice, I choose the glorious passion of fire over the uniform void of cold.
Ray Stevenson Perhaps I should elaborate. By "Necessarily a bad thing," I was implying the following: If we were free to do all the good we desired but did not have the free will to do evil, would the world be a better place? Certainly- the costs of freedom like conflict and inflicting pain are eliminated. Obviously, free will has a place in this world either way. The constant value of these locations is everywhere where good may be done. All other roads lead to oblivion, and should never have been psychologically possible.
So then, assuming that only the freedom to do evil was taken from us, would that be bad as well to you?
I can see what youre saying, however to me free will is a thing that cant be limited, if it has any then i dont believe it to be true free will. Its intresting that you bring this up, cuz we were discussing something like this in my philosophy class awhile back. Anyway, the reason I say this is because well, I know this is touchy subject but just let me use this in for the sake of this argument. If we believe that God gave us free will, or a higher being as it would say, why would it allow us to do evil? Well simple, If I was a higher being it would be pointless to make my creations only do what I want, like any love or fellowship, we dont want programmed dolls we want living thinking individuals who may freely love us. The cost of free will is the existence of evil, but also makes 'higher good' which is goodness that is not done cuz we are suppose to but because we want to, and we feel it to be right.
Now getting to your one point of 'perhaps if we could do all the good we wish but no evil.' I dont think thats freedom at all, we should be free because we can choose, if choice is limited, its not free. Perhaps it would bring a sort of 'good' to the universe by erasing conflict, however i believe in a 'higher good' a true and chosen act that was not forced.Even with all the evils and pain in the world, that one good act means more all the synthetic ones, ones that were programmed.
We might have to agree to disagree on this one and I think I know why. Im no mind reader or anything, but Id like to you might be more of someone who thinks that if its universally benificial, then its ok. The happiness of all people justify the costs. There's nothing wrong with that, I however dont believe that. I believe there is more to right than just everyones happiness. I could not persay murder an innocent person, simply because the world is better for it. In the end, In my heart, I could never condone any violation of someones will simply because the world is better for it. SO I could never force that onto an entire galaxy, even for everlasting peace. It sounds stupid perhaps, but to me the ends dont justify the means, I could never take others choices away, they are what make us human.
Ray Stevenson I have seen this argument for free will sounded off in nearly every debate that contains the subject. Free acts are the only true acts, God gave us free will to keep the world from being bleak, and happiness is worthless if you are compelled to be happy.
Oh, and to clear up any misconceptions, happiness is not my ultimate goal; purity is. Happiness is a positive side-effect of this.
Now then, if you wish to hear the deconstruction of these points of which are advocating for complete free will, then please let me know. I will not shove this down your throat, considering the psyche behind the advocacy of free will. (pardon my Bulverism) I welcome the exchange, if you're okay with that.
Footage of November 5th 2024, when we signed away our lives for the promise of cheap eggs
The last words at my trial when they start rounding folks up
Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise.
Basically Bioware's middle finger to everyone who hated the collor coded ending.
*"SO BE IT."*
I want mah freedom. Im gon unnecessarily kill trillions of lives for mah fredum!!!!!
🦅🦅🦅
There should’ve been an ending where you could refuse the endings and go down fighting the reapers and with enough assets under a united galaxy actually defeat the reapers without doing it their way.
In Codex ME1, it was written that modern races explored 1% of the Galaxy. So they live on 1% of the Galaxy and they have the resources of 1% of the Galaxy.
The Protheans have taken control of the entire galaxy. That is all 100% of the Galaxy. And they have the resources of 100% of the Galaxy.
Protheans with 100% resources lost.
Modern races with 1% resources on their own cannot win
Everyone already knew they couldn't defeat the reapers by conventional warfare, and the crucible was their only desperate hope. That fact was established very clearly even by Shepherd himself
@@shlomorothstein9691 I think the reapers were extremely strong but they also had a weakness. Remember, in the final space battle, under constant fire a reaper fell (but was able to take down a ship with it)
Also, in the final mission, you can take down a reaper with a well timed shot with the nuke launcher (in its beam when it's priming)
Also also :D in the Rannoch mission, you did take down a reaper with the missiles guided by the Normandy. They're not invincible.
but from a purely storytelling perspective, they had to make an enemy so very strong to raise the stakes. I'm torn, but losing the war in this cycle because you refused to use the crucible is a very poetic ending. Though I would love a dlc WHERE YOU FIGHT TEETH AND BONES, YET STILL LOSE
@@winterakitaki6878 No, the Rannoch Reaper was killed because the whole quarian fleet shot at it. And the sovereign was killed because a whole fleet aimed at it. There were millions of reapers, and they just didn't have enough ships to kill them all. There's no way they could win the war by conventional warfare.
It is the best ending. Refuse to the perverted logic of the reapers and go down fighting...
It's still a horrible ending though.
Peter Loghain This ending could be better
As much as I like Shepard's last line in this ending, it doesn't make any sense for Shepard to do anything other than the destroy option if he doesn't like or trust the others.
The only way I see Shepard refusing all options is if the genophage was sabotaged, the Quarians or Geth killed, most if not all his squadmates dying through the course of the series, and no romantic interest waiting for him. With no one to live for, and the galaxy having shown that it isn't worth saving, I'd end it "on my terms" too.
"I refuse any of your terms." is fitting end for a prideful Shepard.
Now what is the greatest sin again?
Good thing I'm not christian :p
That's a slap in the face. All those hours, GONE. Just like that.
The crucible did work you just gave the keys to a dude in perma gremlin mode
Ya know what, this ending is great. Finally a game is willing to say "You lose". A game that give it a chance to start a new. New characters and a new start. This ending shows you that an ending can be not happy. Maybe it's not the best, but hell I love the mass effect endings and I hope that they make the next game even better and not listened to all the but hurt people who can't live without a happy shepherd lives ending. God I'm glad he died, let the man rest, let them all rest.
my favorite ending. Definitely the most moving.
"So be it."
If the Catalyst controls the Reapers, and the Catalyst is the Citadel, couldn’t they just destroy the Citadel and end the war that way?
They didnt know. Until the last minute when it was revealed that the crucible as a whole is the citadel itself.
And there are people living in the citadel
The Citadel like the Mass relay are built from an unknown material, it take a asteroid bigger than Mass relay to destroy the Alpha Relay, i doubt the galaxy have enough resources or time to bring an asteroid the same size of the Citadel to destroy it
Its Harbinger. Its the same voice from ME2 ending. It all but confirmed the end was a indoctrination attempt. The "SO BE IT!" means that their attempts failed and Harbinger then just blows everyone up. Back then, Bioware all but confirmed it on twitter. Sadly in recent months they did a 180 on the theory because of ME4 coming out "in the future"
This just feels like a slap in the face, we hate the 3 coloured endings because all of them go against everything we fought for.
We fought for peace between organics and synthetics and the Destory ending neuters that, we fought for freedom, individuality and against servitude and Synthesis demolishes it, we fought to destroy the reapers because controlling them is ethically and morally wrong and control is a spit in the face because of that.
Rather than give us the happy ending people worked so hard for, it's a case of; don't like those endings? Fuck you. you lose EVERYTHING.
And where does that leave the next cycle? All it does is pass the decision onto the next generation to make the decision we turned down so we lost everything for nothing.
At the end of the day it isn’t realistic to get a perfect ending with no compromise, as the illusive man said Shepard is going to have to make choices he’s not equipped to make. The geth honoured their promise to legion and gave their lives in the fight and all the races will hopefully take the lessons they’ve learnt from working with the geth and take better steps in the future with synthetics hopefully leading to peace between them. It makes sense that if a major EMP blast will kill all reapers it will kill all geth there’s no way around that unless u want a convoluted reason why itll kill the reapers and nothing else. 3 years late to this comment but I just finished the game and Im rly happy with the perfect destroy ending .
And then this actually happened in ME:Andromeda, just 600 years later instead of 50,000...
Reaper Liara message was inevitable. :D
It didn't tho
So...who's here after that ME4 announcement?
This is clearly not canon after that
I think I got some dust in my eye.
Only if you could choose this and win with a high Military Strength. That way you don't have to chose one of those BS ending and then Shepard could retire with Taking on the Homeworld and not Fuck everything up with the other endings.
They should have added the control+destruction ending where Shepard, being a 4D chess player, takes control of the Reapers then sends them all in the nearest sun.
So...having all the armies united, all those war assets....don't do a damn thing? WTFH.
What I like about this ending is that it’s the only ending where Shepard never submits to the catalyst or reapers will. After fighting so many reapers and being exposed to “artifacts” that indoctrinate everyone, Shepard remained strong willed. When indoctrination didn’t work the catalyst resorted to emotional scars by disguising itself as a kid and made Shepard believe he was responsible for the death. But In the end Shepard strong will over came the mental grasp of the reapers and led the strongest attack ever against. In a way Shepard still won and it clearly pissed off the catalyst when he said “so be it!”. Even though the reapers harvest this cycle and moved on, Shepard for once challenged them and probably fought the reapers the hardest in this cycle and never came to there tricks, for that the reapers feared and respected Shepard. So this ending isn’t so bad imo, it’s actually the most realistic, you wouldn’t want to finish this on your enemy terms.
This is why the destroy ending is the cannon ending.
@@blackmanospherepresident but even in the destroy ending, it’s at there will
I bet all the remaining galaxy would have preferred Shepard to be weaker-willed and pick any other option, that not let them be slaughtered and liquified. Also, I would want to finish the war on my enemy's terms if they had the firepower to obliterate a whole galaxy.
@@Daniel-ti9ul then you will never truly be free. When the reapers liquify you, you as an individual is dead but your memory is alive, but your soul has moved on, just like in the control ending. Shepard memory lived but Shepard was intact dead. Plus would you truly trust the reapers to keep there word, would you even really trust that they wanna “work” with you to find a “solution”. In the end we just gotta accept our demise and try our best to give the next cycle the best chance we can. It’s implied that the next cycle won in the after credit scene of the refusal ending. The reapers are very tough but not invincible and given ample warning and time to prepare, undoubtedly we can create technology on par with them. It’s also hinted that the reapers hit a technical stagnation, seeing how the protheans put up a better fight than most cycles including ours and took a few reapers with them and how our cycle had radical victories against them, the reapers were well aware that they can’t hide the proof of the cycles forever and we’re well aware that organic truly did have the potential to surpass them. The catalyst it’s self said that when it said “our solution no longer works”.
@@beauxrathburn big brain libertarian selfish logic
oh well, at least 20,000 of each council race is now in the andromeda galaxy continuing the milky way races and life, they left just in the nick of time, only they think there is still life in the milky way and the reapers don't exist and shepard is actually crazy
*Destroy = Ultimate renegade? --> Edi and Geth dies!
*Synthesis = fuck it, equality for everyone? --> Everyone becomes hybrids/equal genetically
*Control = Paragon-ish? --> Shepard now controls the reapers and makes them guards of the universe
*Refuse = I give up, let things play out however? --> everyone keeps fighting and they die and a new cycle begins and it is the same thing all over again
“Hey, is there any beer in this place?”
Shepard: NoOoObody tells me what to do. NOBODY. HA HA HA HA!!
The only person who I think of when I make these choices is Tali. How it will affect her when I die is the most important thing for me. I don't want her to die without any hope left so I don't refuse the choices. I don't choose Control because that goes against everything I believe in. I don't chose Destroy because that would mean destroying the Geth as well, meaning that the quarians' future where they don't have to live with their suits on is null and void, that would make all my previous choices to make peace between the quarians and the geth all for nothing. The only option I have left is Synthesis, and despite it basically joining all synthetic and organic life, it is the only choice where there is the least amount of death and it will create true peace.
Same here dude...
Let's hope on the next game one of theses choices make as canon.
0:53 repeat button
I wish harbinger sounded like that, it sounds a lot more machine like than its voice.
0:14 me talking to my GF when she’s trying to end things because I want to hang with the boys
Geth: yo we chill just stop trying to kill us
Star boi: we are so gonna fuck you up if you don’t pick bud
Meanwhile in the background: *WE! WE WILL RESIST AND BITE*
I got this ending accidently when I played. While the catalyst was monologuing I shot him in the head with my little infinite ammo gun you have, just messing around assuming nothing would actually happen since it was basically a cut scene...wrong...It immediately triggered the "SO BE IT".
I have a feeling that the ship that exploded was Hacketts anybody agree
That was a cruiser that blew up. Hackett commands a dreadnought. You can tell the difference because a dreadnought has a rounded front while a cruiser has a gun on the front.
Wait so what happens if Liara dies in the beam and you choose refusal ending?
Liara records the time capsule earlier during ME3, so it doesn't matter.
anyone notice at 1:12 how the cruiser turns into a dreadnought. come ON! They did that in the prologue!
Destroying is the best ending. First because you're indoctrinated and Destroy means break the indoctrination. Second because the Mass Relays and all that was lost will be rebuild, and the reapers will never be again. And third because at the very ending, there is a scene that shows us Shepard still alive after the explosion and he BREATHS.
Screw this ending. There's nothing heroic or noble about it. Shepard chickens out because he lacks the resolve to sacrifice EDI and the Geth. He's too weak to accept that ANY cost is worth destroying that arrogant, self-righteous god child and its army of genocidal machines.
Then simply play it your way.
I'm too proud to stop this threat so I will let trillions die, what a dumbass "ending" lol.
@@friendlyreaper9012 ANY cost is worth destroying those genocidal space lobsters. ANY COST.
That voice change
I literally just found out this ending today and I cried laughing so hard omg 🤣
Upside to this ending: Shepard retains their freedom and basically says fuck you to the reapers through omission and ends it on their own terms.
Downside to this ending: Everyone fucking dies.
We'll see what the Leviathan dlc can do later on when it's released
This is really interesting... see really this is the right thing to do! But you see how the videogame and movie industry tries to illude your judgement on your decision by making this ending very tragic. It is a mind control sceme. If you chose this ending the first time on purpose then you are truly on the side of light.
???
Do you still hold this opinion a decade later?
this is this ending the same in the remaster version of the games series plus liara died young this in message
it seems stupid but who says they didn't serve just because liara says died out didn't give us a clear last known
moments of the current races she didn't show that last moments yes i know i'm being stubborn about it
I picked refuse because in my mind I had brought enough of the galaxy together that we would've been able to win and I didnt have to give in to one of the 3 options, but no i was wrong everyone died and we became the new protheans
You did the right thing. You fought and refused to compromise with the stupid machines.
Wonder if he died from his wounds or starvation first
Most likely he called the nomandy for bring back
I pick it because the other choices are even more moronic.
I think this is the most morally sound ending (if you buy into the theme that synthetics were indeed living beings). Let everyone go out on their own terms. You don't get to choose who lives and dies. It is also the most thematically appropriate ending IMO. Also, Indoctrination theory is essentially canon in my mind (even though I know it wasn't intentional) so this lines up really well with beating the Reapers indoctrination attempt which even though our cycle succumbs, helps prevent what we learned from being sabotaged by an indoctrinated Shepherd. I think there is actually a lot of hope and positivity in this ending the more you think about it. It also plays nicely into the themes of inevitability and makes the story a more thought provoking journey where you have to take pleasure in the journey despite the destination that we know we will arrive at.
"Would you let 20 million people die here to save 10 million over there"
"then we'd be no better than the reapers"
no its irresponsible and covard ending
@Adam Sunderman your job was to save your species and your civilization, if you has your chance to do that and you dont use it you are either idiot or traitor. No big reasons or morality survive or die. This ending option was the reapers last hope for being able to countinue their endless genocide for a poorly written algoritm. If you choose this that means you are failed willingly. And letting your species and culture die is plain evil. Its not complicated.
@Adam Sunderman You are mixing morality questions with professional questions. Sometimes for protecting whats important you have to choose the good and not the moraly right solution. I hope you will never have to choose any situation like this (of course in smaller scale) and I wish for you the best.
@AdamSunderman In this ending, you aren't refusing to choose who lives or dies. You _choose_ to let everyone who isn't a part of a primitive civilisation die, and very likely, everyone after your cycle. Compared to destroy it's kill everyone vs kill some and let everyone else survive. Nobody who would die otherwise lives in this ending.
this end was best for end mass effect trilogy. And for start new game :)
Wait the reapers technically did not succeed, because of mass effect andromedas story the reapers never completely killed the krogan, humans, asari and turians.
It is. I don't know where you got that from.
+Charlie There's a massive time gap because the ship you're on in Andromeda is traveling far out and away from the galaxy. It takes place 500 years after Mass Effect 3 ends. It most certainly is canon.
You're correct. It is cannon.
The Andromeda Initiative sets off between ME2 ending and ME3 beginning. The crew that leaves for Andromeda have no idea what is happening/happens in the Milky Way galaxy.
Whether the Reapers succeeded in killing everybody else in the Milky Way galaxy...well, that depends on what happened in your game. There is no cannon ending to that.
I know but if some people chose refuse as their main ending the reapers never won.
So what you're saying is: if this ending was canon, the people from the Andromeda initiative might eventually come back to find all their species dead?
harsh
SO BE IT!!! Reaper all along.
It basically admits its a reaper anyway
The more I think the more this bugs me
Think about it
If the star child can legit just shut down the crucible on a whim because it’s feelings are hurt, why in the world would it let you destroy it? Or better yet can ANY of the choices it offers be trusted to be as advertised?
Going down fighting on your own terms is the only real choice to make. Shepard uniting the galaxy together to fight and die shoulder to shoulder to the last is far more honorable than playing games with a child. Mass effect andromeda still happens, even with this ending the reapers FAIL because life will continue elsewhere. They fail to get us all
YES. Dude you are so based. This is the only right choice. Refuse the compromise put forward to you BY YOUR EXISTENTIAL ENEMY, fight to end the war on your terms. Sometimes it's not about winning or loosing, it's about taking a stand. Shepard didn't fight to become a robo-despot or commit a synthetic genocide or violate the bodily autonomy of the whole galaxy, Shepard fights for freedom. This is the only correct ending.
My DLC had russian subtitles so I didn't really know about this ending. Though, I heard that something happens if you shoot the kid after the conversation. Well, I shot it and I was like,: Well, I failed.
He goes "ain't nobody got time for that" and tries to win the war conventionally.
why would you refuse, when you can destroy? only if control/synthesis was the other option, refuse would make sense
Her message makes me feel uneasy lol
*SO BE IT.*
Wait, I thought Liara made it as Shepard's VI?
Pompidou
No, she said that she stored all the information posible and Shepard was just an entry of it. Probably the biography of who lead the previous cycle(Shepard)
Ah, yes it makes sense. Thanks mate
This ending is definitely still the worst.
"I've got 3 perfectly good solutions to the problem, but nah, I'm gonna just doom the whole galaxy because of some misguided feeling of freedom."
My god this ending is both such a cop out and a straight up middle finger from the devs.
I find this ending even more insulting and with the same lack of satisfaction as the rest...and the last scream of the fucking god child is in my opinion a way for the developers to scream at us...something like 'AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRR you wanted a different ending then *bang* here you go, and go fuck off ' . Onestly even with the extended dlc it still sucks...but 90% of the fans already know that.
I dont think they are AI's anymore, its kind of like how Legion flips out if you choose to destroy the geth. "Catalyst boy" isnt displaying that he's just saying hey you can destroy us if you want.
I think this ending makes Andromeda better to play, you have that failure in the Milky Way Galaxy in the back in your head and it makes you play Andromeda better to ensure Humanity will survive in the new galaxy
Shepard should've went to AI core and destroy it
Best line in the series
For some reason everytime I do this choice my xbox claims that "the disc is unreadable" -_- even tho its brand new
the future generation is more advanced than the last, with each step we advance closer to reaching the "heavens" of technology and understanding
all endings except dynthedis are good because it goes against everytjing you fought for
Well the option to refuse using the Crucible is there but i personally wouldn't chose it. The detroy ending is in my opinion the best one, mostly because Shepard survives the explosion and lives to fight another day.
Nothing heroic on this ending. Fuck all that crap talk of "dying free" and shit. There's no good point in dying when you can save the galaxy^^
I'm on ME3 right now, and my shep just said something along the lines of "theres no good way to die. I sick of people saying that"
Femshep's voice acting is so much better here.
mehh.
Did you guys actually lsiten to what the story told you?
Play The Leviathan DLC.
Then listen to the story.
Then listen to the extended cut.
It's still not perfect, but acceptable.
The Leviathan race had an interesting lifestyle, which included indoctrinating smaller, land dweller species, and using them to their needs. They used another races as those races used technology. But when the slave races created AI's to help them do tasks the leviathen used them for, a problem had risen. I suspect that the leviathans couldn1t controll AIs just like that, and when synthetic life revolted, sooner or later, since conflict is a way of life, they had no good solution for the problem. And their established life of peace and well being, remember there were probably no major confilicts, since the biological races were controlled by leviathan, so it was a new problem for them when AI made major conflict.
So they decided to build an AI to solve this problem.
But the AI was flawed i na way and had a twisted and limited understanding (since it was the product of a race with similar limits). So the AI made a solution that harvested the essence of all advanced sentiant life every 50.000 years.
Point in case is that the reapers are a bank of these essences, but they also trap it within themselves. No conflict and no change for the harvested. But no reaper is jsut a simple synthetic either.
THe crucible is basically a DLC for the Citadell, and it changes this AI, allowing Shepard to solve the conflict.
- The refusal ending can be seen as... a refusal for real or imaginery chackles and a stand for freedom. But you fail if you choose it because you get harvested anyway.
-The Red ending, or Destroy Ending would be one of the best. Fuck the Reapers, screw diplomatic and bullshit solutions. You came a really long way to destroy the reapers and you won't be having tea and biscuits with them now.
However after considering the given explanations and the costs...losing the Geth and EDI, and destroying the essence of all previous races. You would really reconsider.
- The Blue or Controll Ending would be the easiest to understand and the default to go choice. Sure, you condewmn yourself to eternal guardianship, which is both good and bad, but still. You don't kill synthetics, and even that the reapers don1t get blown to smithereens, you can controll them. But the AI says that this solution might not be stable, and you don't really gain anything from it. So you mgiht want to check out...
-The Green or Synthesis Ending. It's not an accident that this is the "hardest" ending to unlock. This is the ending that gets you all the benefits of the blue ending with additional gain. Sure if you think about it it's a huge fucknig chance to change everything in the Galaxy and altoguh the AI ensures you that this solution is stable, you would think that suddenly turning everyone glowing green wouldn't win you any popularity awards. And you kind of want to fuck all the reapers up for what they've done.
BUT: You are not there out of revenge, but to save the Galaxy.
The AI seems to advertise this option by tellnig you that you gain all the vast knowledge the reapers had.
You mgiht see the Reapers as something that has to be saved as well. In a way, the Reapers themselves are forced to do the harvest by the AI.
IF you actually choose synthesis, EDI comments on the aftermath and hearing her opinions gives of the clue that Synthesis is a great decision.
I'ce chosen Synthesis, otherwise I would have chosen Controll while wishing I could choose Destroy.
"the Reapers themselves are forced to do the harvest by the AI"
- Rearpers are nothing more than AI.
"IF you actually choose synthesis, EDI comments on the aftermath and hearing her opinions gives of the clue that Synthesis is a great decision."
- A vacum cleaner with a sexy voice is still a vacum cleaner.
"However after considering the given explanations and the costs...losing the Geth and EDI, and destroying the essence of all previous races. You would really reconsider."
- They are all already gone, long dead. Period. Better thing would be to clone Javik, or make clones based on DNA from bones, like in Jurassic park.
"THe crucible is basically a DLC for the Citadell, and it changes this AI, allowing Shepard to solve the conflict."
- It's not a DLC but a patch. DLC extends, patch changes. Catalyst without a patch wouldn't allow for any other choice than cycles to continue. Catalyst is a Reaper, which means it is an AI. It won;t matter if you will try to reason with it or "DLC" it. You need a patch, or a virus. Crucible can ba called that as well. Patch or a virus, that alterates Catalyst way of thinking.
Still a great game that makes people think.
Destroy ending doesn't really include trans humanism. It destroys it completely and allows everyone to build their own destiny after the reaper cycle is ended.
And it’s the only ending that Shepard possibly survives
This was the worst ending. The whole point of the game was to stop the reapers and in this ending it failed.
But the next cycle does stop them.
In the next cycle, they chose to destroy the reapers, which you could do it now, but just left it for the next generation?
"If I die I die knowing I've done everything to stop you."
You should have chosen Destroy Ending, Shepard >< ...
No, they beat them on their own. The epilogue says that they had an advance warning which allowed them to be prepared for when the Reapers showed up.
Seseous yeah, they beat the reapers this time on their own terms.
I don't really "get" this ending. Destroying the Reapers is the only logical choice. I understand rejecting control and synthesis, but if you can straight up destroy the Reapers, which has always been your goal, it makes no sense to refuse to do so when you are literally being handed the opportunity.
So you make this moral grandstand at the expense of all advanced civilizations, and then the next cycle that finally beats the Reapers will build the Crucible and choose destroy then.
@@zacsweeney5534 I think the whole point of the time capsule is so the next civilization advances more quickly in technology, thanks to Liara's information ... I mean, why *wouldn't* she include the mass effect technology in her data? (The sleeper ships that went to Andromeda were plenty fast, for example). Basically if they can get to dark space *before* the Reapers wake up from the cycle, then they could be easily destroyed and no one else dies.
3 years old comment i know, but the point is, to destroy the reapers, he had to sacrifice EDI and the Geth, countless innocent synthetics. Destroy ending finish ALL synthetics.
So, the voice change from the kid confirms indoctrination theory? :)
The developers debunked this theory in 2021
The only end that makes Sense!!!
I want this ending... only we beat the reapers :(
You just had one job... ONE JOB!!
The other choices were very selfish since one man is deciding the fate of trillions... you may think " well same difference if you refuse everyone will die." But you see this game has a high level of trans-humanism. Do ypu know who believes in transhumamism? The occult. ( symbolized by the "Illusive Man" )
YAY HES ALIVE NOW IGMME BACK MY CHARACTER NOW!!!! >:O=
Bro I'm from 2021's and we are getting a new mass effect!
shepard died free, ad everyone else just died. this was the final i got