New Enphase Bi-Directional EV Charger | V2H
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In this video, Joe presents the new Enphase bidirectional EV charger for home backup, green charging, and vehicle-to-grid (V2G)
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Been waiting this for years. It’s a no-brainer. And I love your content and presentation skills and style. You sir are getting close to national treasure status!
Thanks for the support!
I think Tesla will need to allow this V2H technology as others do. Competition is good.
I am doing this, this makes total sense!
nice ! exciting tech thanks for bringing it, definitely waiting for ev's that support this V2H natively
Great video! The schematic really helps you to understand how the system works.
I’m loving this new development! Please keep us updated on Enphase’s plans for V2H. I want it!
Joel, thanks for the video. I believe you meant General Motors when you said General Electric for possible V2H EV manufacturers. Looking forward to what you learn about this in the next few weeks. Appreciate the updates and comparisons.
Thank you for the Great Info! Love the full battery backup system we already have from Enphase but this would be a big help during Hurricanes and Nor’easter conditions👍
Looking forward to hear all the updates on this and if there is any vehicles updates that would be compatible.
Thanks
Very cool. The car manufacturers need to get on board
Great video! Japan and Australia have had V2H for years. I'm glad to see the Lightning and others are catching up. - Zoomer
Same. Japan was far ahead with this capability. We just need standards. The technology is already here.
It would be great to see how the Span panel could be integrated into the full Enphase ecosystem. Thanks for sharing.
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I m glad you are covering this.
I’m hoping it will help to push V2H more aggressively and bring other competitive solutions to market sooner.
Thanks Joe!
We'll see what vehicles it ends up supporting. We've decided to put our V2H install for our Lightning on hold to see if there is a cheaper alternative to SunRun. Lot's of people are just putting in 30amp panels with a generator panel with your main emergency circuits that can run off the 30amps avail from the truck's pro power.
content rocks thanks !
Your videos are so impeccable in every way except one thing, those tv cables. LOL My OCD is crazy. Thanks for always keeping us up to date with everything solar!
LOL. Yeah. I get that a lot.
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Another great video. Enphase is really killing it these days. Looking forward to this capability. I hope that Tesla supports it. I assume they are since they are showing a Tesla in that marketing material. When pricing is released, it will be interesting to calculate the number of years it would take to payback the system. Since batteries are the pricey component of a backup system, I'm guessing the numbers will look really good.
Enphase is also releasing (this month) the ability to charge their batteries from the grid on a schedule (example - during super off peak hours). That really improves the ROI on a battery system. Full disclosure on that one, I am not sure of what the impact of turning on "charge from grid" is on the 30% tax rebate if any.
I like that the white paper shows wired CAN communication between all the hardware instead of the crappy zigbee they currently use.
I hope they are smart and still have some sort of backwards compatability with Zigbee. There are a lot of SC2 3T/10T customers out there...
It's great to see Enphase jumping into V2H and V2G. The EV big battery's benefit for exporting/increasing self-consumption will probably be highest for folks working/parked at home during the day, but there are more folks doing that these days.
If you have time, I'd love to see a comparison with the dcbel r16, which should be available this spring. The r16 is DC and the enphase is AC if I heard correctly. So, there should be some efficiency for the r16 when "green charging". The enphase would need to convert, yes? The r16 also comes with two chargers, a level 2 and a DC fast charger (double the rate of the level 2).
The Nissan Leaf should work with bidirectional chargers like this and dcbel. It has been wired for bidirectional charging since 2013.
Thanks much for mentioning this. I have a 2020 Leaf+ and am right now considering backup batteries for my rooftop system. I might just do an interim "battery light" solution until the Enphase charger is ready for prime time.
To me this is where all of these technologies come together to shine and I’ve told people for this is the future. Being able to power the house if needed or put power back on the grid if the power company makes it worth it. Helps grid stability as thousands of car batteries could help in times of crisis. Having the car with a big battery seems a lot more useful than 20kWh or more just sitting around 95% of the time doing nothing.
Enphase is a great company.
I call my Enphase installer and I will be getting this for my.home...i currently have Enphase Enlighten with 30kw backup battery and 23kw solar system
Sweet !
Thanks for a great video. Just bought a Hyundai Ioniq5, which does have an attachment which plugs into the charging port. This allows the car battery to charge other cars or devices. So it may be that this V2H charging might just need a firmware or software update.
I was hoping youd at least have breakers required and max in/out rates. We’ve installed a bunch of ford’s two way chargers. First one to offer 24kW charge & 12kW V2G/V2H is gonna make a LOT of money
I'm sure we will get more of these details soon.
This is going to a brilliant feature, Hope they will make is work for 3 phase house hold, also what cars do support Bi-charge.
Man this would be nice. I already have Solar from enPhase.
Fingers crossed, I'll be surprised if there is any retrofit/firmware update allowing this in most existing EVs, but progress for future models for sure!
FYI-Rivian says their vehicles are ready for V2H now.
I anticipate that Tesla Energy and the Cybertruck will be integrated in the same kind of configuration and will be Virtual Power Plant ready. Cannot wait for Tesla Investor Day on March 1st!
That would be cool!
Right off the bat there needs to be agreement among the manufacturers on a standardized V2H interface (charging port). Otherwise it will be 16 different ways to connect your car, and no compatibility between them. We need ONE wall charger plug and socket design, with V2H mode, that works with ALL vehicle brands!
Agree. Standards are needed here.
There is one, for this and other bi-directional: CCS (and ChaDeMo).
There is a new ISO standard for the bi-directional comms/transfer on CCS that the coming chargers (and the EVs) need to support.
This is a game changer when it gets implemented and bring the capacity of the vehicle battery to play for home use. I hope this make it to the UK and can become part of the solution to a very very overpriced electric grid.
Take care all M.
Thanks for covering this topic! I'm waiting on getting an EV until it supports V2H. While I can see why very few car-makers support this function right now (reduced car battery life), I think the real cost/kWh from an EV is likely far less than the $0.75/kWh+ cost from a backup generator.
Hi, as the uptake of EV’s increase and the adoption of solar increases then I can see them combining to get the most value from what you already have. I already have a Leaf that supports this and as more vehicles support it through CCS it is a no brainier. It looks like the charger is powering the vehicle via DC and using the IQ8’s built into the charger to convert back to AC.
This system gives you the benefit of combining your existing energy storage along with powering the vehicle via solar when it is available.
Take care all, the future is here M.
Wow.. this could make EVs/solar an attractive combination in poorer countries where the grid is not so reliable.
the brand batteries are expensive, but there are more than that out there ...EG4 batteries a 30Kw cost just 12000$
Great video! The big elephant in the room is OEM EV's putting the tech in the EVs AND letting buyer to use the battery in the manner. The early Tesla Model S's had bi-directional inverters in them, but Tesla limited them. New Tesla's do not have the bi-directional inverters. Also, enphase is going to be out of luck, OEM's are going to offer there own systems as an added income stream. Ford has already made a proprietary system available and Volvo will be offering one next year. Furthermore what needs to be worked out concerns the battery warranty. OEM's don't want to offer bi-directional V2G or V2H because it adds additional stress to the batter and cooling system, yet battery warranties are based upon miles and years, not battery cycles.
Great development in renewable energy. However, the pricing is unfortunate, it just means by the time you pay off the cost and installation, the car will need a new battery.
I have only one Enphase 10kWh battery for backup in my home because I am waiting (impatiently) with my 65kWh battery in my 2023 Bolt!
Have been waiting this V2H function, but during black out will Solar still generate power when the V2H function is turn on?
The Hyundai Ioniq 5 & 6 both support bi- directional charging now.
I’m surprised these concepts weren’t included in the EV rebate requirements.
Just need Tesla to get onboard with this.
Will this be backwards compatable with SC2 and 3T/10T?
I paused a panel replacement after seeing this video. Now I’m looking for more Enphase information such as any suggested wire size changes. If I wire a Tesla wall charger for 11.7 Kw and 48 amps (planning on 8/3 wire with 60 amp breaker) when/if Tesla allows VTH, I would assume the output would be the same. So no wire or breaker changes? Then the Enphase interface somehow decides what to run in my house? Joe?
Hi Gary. I would just up the wire size to 6/3 to give you more room to expand and prevent a fire hazard. 8/3 is pushing it to the limit considering EV charging is a near 100% continuous full load.
How funny that I stumbled upon this same video. I started to read the first comment from 7 months ago and realized, that was my comment! I am STILL ready. Has Enphase made any progress? When can I say green-light-go?
It's still under development. We need buy-in from the auto manufacturers also before this technology is ready for prime time. I would say late 2024 before its ready for sale.
Ballpark pricing?
Can these be used with other non emphase micro inverter? I have Outbackpower FP1 48volt inverter.
Now if they could just work out Span compatibility it'd be great
That should also be coming soon in 2024.
Hope @solaredge will do the same thing with a DC coupling !
As @Dcbel 🥰
Thanks for all your videos and your professionalism 😊
Are you going to present the @Dcbel solution ?
Thanks for the feedback. I hope to learn more about the Dcbel offering.
Can a portable inverter generator be hooked up to the enphase bidirectional charger to back feed power to charge up my enphase solar batteries. I’m trying to find a solution other than the enphase schematics for emergency charge of batteries by manually connecting the spliced ends of the charging cord to the smart switch generator hookup block as that is not something I feel comfortable doing on my own in case of an emergency. Please advise.
Will Audi eTron be compatible with this VTH solution? Can I power my house from my eTron Battery?
Any idea of when it might be available or cost? Will it charge vehicles that don’t work with V2H currently?
Enphase mentioned 2024 as when they hope to bring this to market. I would suppose it would charge today's EVs, but the vehicle will need V2H capability in a form that Enphase can work with to provide electricity on demand. I haven't seen anything about costs yet.
Wallbox is also coming out with one, their previous generation Quasar (ChaDeMo only and half-power 7.5kw) was $4000... we'll see how much their Quasar2 CCS/11.5KW new charger, and this Enphase, will be...
Enphase just posted that their bi-directional charger will work with "ANY" EV and be available in 2024. Exactly when?? Big question, will this system be compatible with PV systems OTHER than Enphase? My newly installed system is by SunPower. Keeping fingers crossed!
Hi there. Sunpower uses enphase microinverters. All they do it added to maxeon panels and offer it to you as a ac module. So it's most likely compatible with anything enphase.
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I am ready to go with solar panels and V2H. On the surface this is a great video. BUT the last few minutes of your video is the turnaround moment. It is "theory" as of this moment. Solar contractor says "Install Enphase now and we'll come back in 2024 with the bidirectional unit from Enphase." I say "what will be the cost of the Enphase charger?" This video says "all the major electric car brands" and I say "I have a Nissan Leaf and need to know compatibility." Tell me that I am wrong to wait?
I also have a Leaf and already have an Enphase system without batteries. Apparently there's an ISO standard for bi-directional, so we need to know if both Leaf and Enphase conform.
I really wonder how many vehicle manufacturers will support a third-part V2H setup. I suspect the vehicle manufacturers would rather sell you their own proprietary one, thus tying you into their brand.
Issn’t the Ford F-150 Electric the only vehicle that does this currently? I remember Monroe Associates did a video about this a few years ago about the hardware needed to do this on the vehicle side.
Ford has this capability also.
The neat new feature re Enphase (and Wallbox etc) bi-directional chargers, is they are using CCS DC out from the car, bypassing any need for on-car inverter, and use external inverters in the EVSE. So, car just needs to support CCS port, and software etc to allow the bidirectional comm/transfer standards.
As Jo mentioned the challenge is going to be the vehicle manufactures. Unlike Jo thinks, I don't think Tesla will come to the party on V2Has they have their own agenda for ruling the home battery market and balancing the grid which they currently directly profit from.
Yes, but, they can’t make powerwalls fast enough, and multiple solutions are good. with the Cybertruck, if it uses LFP batteries, theres no issues using it for VTH.. The Ford F150 Lightning already supports VTH for about $4,000 in equipment cost, and the vehicle has to have an option to allow the CCS connectors to be 2-way.. Tesla will NOT be outdone by Ford, count on it
Why do EV manufacturers always show charging the vehicle outside the garage? Anything to do with a malfunction occurring and burning down the house?
The inside of a garage isn't the best visual. You rarely see an ice vehicle in a garage when it's being marketed? Is it because ice vehicles statistically catch fire more often than electric vehicles, or maybe someone might accidentally hit the remote start and kill the whole family with carbon monoxide?????
The cybertruck should support bidirectional but their cars currently would need new inverters made with all transistors rather than diodes.
Hi, I noted this in the past, that in a video they showed the PCB was capable but key components were missing stopping the Tesla from outputting AC. Using the DC side should be a way around this as long as the vehicle supports the protocol to edible the DC.
Take care all M.
The enphase solution used 200-1000vdc so no problem there
Seems this coming when they bought Clipper creek last year.
Nice. I'm not sure how I missed that announcement.
Tesla needs Vehicle to home on all it's cars not just the Cybertruck
I expect Tesla will roll this out to the entire fleet. With Enphase coming in, there is tremendous market pressure for Tesla to come on board.
@@SolarSurge Hopefully starting with the project highland model 3
This and other DC-out EV V2G/H bi-directional chargers, will use the CCS (or ChaDeMo) plug standards. this rules out Tesla, unfortunately for the photo on the Electrek story headline :( There is a SLIGHT possibility, it might still work w/ Tesla using their CCS plug adapter, but... we'll see.
At least, they do provide wider possibilities as this CCS method pulls DC out of the battery and uses the external EVSE inverter to convert car DC to AC, instead of requiring the car to have onboard bi-directional DC/AC inverter in the charger... very few (F150, few others) have such onboard bi-directional ability (and NOT Tesla)... and could provide more power than the car might give, also, depending on the EVSE inverter (most seem to be 11.5KW?)... We'll see, EV makers do have to make some software updates to allow the bi-directional commununication etc, but this is a very interesting and exciting development!
Will bidirectional work for earlier model EVs?
It depends on the EV manufacturer. There will likely need to be an upgrade to allow power export from the vehicle battery.
Apparently Leaf has been "bi-directional ready" since 2011. The question involves compatibility with any standards that either exist or are planned.
Now that the Intersolar 2023 conference is over, will you be able to answer some of the questions you brought up in this video?
Hi Stefan and thanks for writing in. We will continue to follow up on these questions.
So if you pay like $25K for batteries now and they have a 10 warranty and they die in 10 years by then the batteries will cost 25 million each, right?
So basically you can buy a cheap high mileage Nissan Leaf for example and use it as home battery back up only?
Yes
i have a Enphase solar account an Enphase ev charger..
If you pay to charge your battery why would you sell the electric back to pgne for less money
My bet is this will work with any electric vehicle with a 400v platform.
200-1000 is the operating range
@@SolarTechFL nice. My Kia ev6 will work then
Pricing? Seems lame without a price.
Good question, but it's too early to tell. Any pricing would be a rough estimate at this point.
It's gonna be a leap to get Tesla to approve this, altho I imagine they are feeling some pressure since all the other EV manufacturers are providing this option. 2024 seems like a long time to wait tho.
I'll be very interested to see how Tesla responds. They've been quiet on the issue recently.
All of these are only CCS plug, so... unless Tesla ALSO supports it w/ their CCS adapater plug, it's a no-go just from plug standard.
At least CCS offers a possibility using DC out from the car HV battery, since Teslas (and many other EVs) do NOT have bi-directional onboard AC inverters...
@@cgamiga I'm hoping they're going to offer it as an upgrade at least. People are soon going to figure out that if they buy pretty any EV other than Tesla, they're getting an EV and a home storage battery. That's a huge selling point. Why should I buy 2 powerwalls for $11,000 each when I can get a Chevy Bolt and get the equivalent of 3 powerwalls for under $20,000.
It’s pretty cool but I don’t see this being very pragmatic unless it’s like a Ford F-150 Lightning because the battery pack will be much, much larger.
It’s still cool to have another source integrated into the Enphase system especially when it’s the winter or some other time when solar isn’t producing enough energy.
Even the smaller EV batteries have 4-5x more storage than a typical home backup battery. 70kWh for Tesla Model 3 Vs 13.5kWh for a Tesla Powerwall home battery.
I think the Ford F-150 Lightning is the only vehicle which currently actually supports V2G in the USA
@@akilfahd yeah, but at around a $10k average install price for parts $4k, and install. SunRun is going to price themselves out of the market.
One version of the newly announced dodge ram truck has a 225 kwh battery.
So, they show a Tesla and they say ANY EV… this is very interesting…
I'm 99% certain that work will need to be done on the EV side to enable this capability.
@@SolarSurge one would think, but their website clearly states Any. Either way, as someone who just bought a Model Y sue to the price cuts and rebate… I hope I’ll be able to ;)
Batteries are cheap, the people who sell batteries with solar just charge a lot.
Hi Joe. Very excited news that Enphase is going to have the Bi-Directional EV charger in 2024. I am currently had two Tesla model Ys and can't wait to be able to power my whole house during the power outage. Can you provide me with more information on this? What is needed. I have 31 solar panels IQ8+ on my roof and produced more energy than what I need during the summer. I hope I can take advantage of the new features from Enphase to fully power my house during the blackout :)
This is great. It sounds like you are all set for Q1 2024 when the EV charger will be available.