If Jesus Is God, Why Didn’t He Know Everything?: The Mark Series pt 56 (
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- People have been using this verse of Scripture to deny the deity of Christ for a long time. in reality, it's actually a beautiful way of teaching the deity and humanity of Christ. We will go through it in detail and answer objections while trying to make sure we don't lose the simple and profound teaching of the passage. Jesus didn't know the day or the hour. Why not? Does He know it now? Did the Holy Spirit know it? If Jesus didn't know then how does that bear down on so many today who are trying to figure out the day and hour?
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Did the Holy Spirit know the day and hour?
Somehow I skipped the portion of my notes where I was going to deal with that question. Here are my thoughts.
My answer is that the Holy Spirit does know. This is for three reasons.
1) the Holt Spirit is expressly said to know what God thinks. “For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.”
1 Corinthians 2:11 ESV
2) Jesus didn’t mention the Holy Spirit in this passage and it is presumptuous to assume That the Holy Spirit doesn’t know since there are other explanations for why He is not mentioned. Perhaps it has to do with a wedding analogy that is often brought up where a son would build a home and wait for the instruction from his father to go his bride. In the analogy (which could really use a bit more historical support to help strengthen its likelihood since I understand that we are lacking contemporary records of it) the son is purposely kept in the dark about when he will be given permission to go get his bride and start the wedding. This is a beautiful analogy and Jesus does follow up this saying with a parable about a sudden wedding in Matthew 25. Perhaps then the Holy Spirit is not mentioned in order to preserve the analogy and not to suggest the Holy Spirit doesn’t know. A second explanation to consider for why the Holy Spirit is not mentioned is to say that “Only the Father knows” is a qualified “only”. It is “only” in relation to humans, the angels and the Son. It is not “only” in relation to the Holy Spirit.
3) Jesus has a particular reason and way that He can “not know” something. While He is God He is also human. This is not the case with the Holy Spirit. If the Holy Spirit doesn’t know something then I wonder how that can be. It’s a lot to read into the passage when other simpler explanations are there.
Due to the reasons I just outlined I think we should say that the Holy Spirit knows and always knew the time.
Thank you Mike, I've been so blessed by your teachings. 💞
Oops just sent this question and now I see your response. Thanks
Mike , Older English versions of the bible say, " Only the Father will make KNOWN, both the day and the hour of Christ's return .We can only envision when the Father makes this day and hour known , there will be faithful believers on earth to hear the time , and who will make themselves ready to receive Him in peace . Mike only three beings in all the universe have the characteristics of God , and they are the Father , the Son , and the Holy Spirit .
Hi Mike as far as any records of the Gallaean weddings I don’t have any diffinative resources . May be a starting point could be a video I watched by the same people who did convergence etc which right now eludes me as far as the title they seemed to say they knew and used some info like Jesus started his ministry at the wedding wheee he changed the water into wine and then the flow began. I didn’t pay attention to any resources they might of used but because your in the states maybe you could touch base with these folks and find out if it’s just a fable which I’m more inclined it isn’t as I said and your aware the scriptures talk a lot about a wedding feast especially where end times is concerned . I hope this could be of help because I don’t want to lie to folks but I love encouraging people and myself like 1 Thess 4 admonishes us to do so
The first reason you have provided has many issues, two of which are
1) You read that verse in Mark based on another book, and you just treat them as if they say the same thing without a valid justification. You can't simply treat them as one single book.
2) More important, the analogy Paul provided is against what christians believe about thd Trinity as whole! How?
Paul was likening the Holy Spirit with the spirit of a person. And if this's the case, then we know that the spirit of a person is not a person by itself, rather it's a component that makes (one person) with other components. Therefore, that spirit eventually is not another person that it has its own authority, mind, and will. However, according to Christianity Trinity consists of three separate persons. Each one of them has its own authority, mind, and will.
Moreover, according to Paul's analogy, we can say that Jesus has his own spirit as well becuase Jesus is a person. Also, because the Holy Spirit is a person, then He has his own spirit. Consequently, the concept of Trinity is going to fall down.
Finally, let me ask you, Pastor Mike.
If had been a simple jew in the first century and heard Jesus say "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father", would you have had a second thought that his saying is something else other than what the text says clearly? Honestly?
Thank you.
Can we all take a moment and thank GOD for Mike?!
What a blessing this here is!
YES! 👍👍👍 🕯️🌎
@@viviennebaptiste GOD bless you with discernmant and a softened heart
@@viviennebaptiste its hidden. its in there, sister, but its hidden. You gotta dig for it.
We might not know when he will come but he told us what to look for when his coming is near. Near might not be this year of even 20 years, just as he said he will be back soon, soon doesn't mean next week. But he tells us to be be watchful. He told us what would happen in the last days. He also told us what the mark of the beast would look like. Its an oppressive system that will not allow us to buy of sell and that only apart of it. This vaccine is apart of that system. Look at all the things happening because of it.
Truly…a Humble Genius…what a flippin dichotomy…we are always “stunted” by …The Lion & The Lamb…so FAR above or intellect
I find myself saying more and more "what a big God" "wow what a Savior we have" and man it feels good
My 11 yo daughter hit me with “Why is Jesus surprised if He knows everything?” in the passage where the gentile tells him not to come to his house to heal his servant. Thx for this, she likes listening to you.
Mike, you really seem to enjoy that meal and it has definitely made me want to enjoy it too. I have learned a lot from you the past few months. Born and raised, returned missionary, disheartened, floundering Mormon here. I feel I’m finally coming to know the real Jesus through your teachings. A little more each day. Thank you.
Any doctrine that is based on the Christian doctrine falls flat when you realize the Greek of John 1:1.
Amen! Also check out Jeff Durbin, Apologia Church here on You Tube.
@@andriod090 I'm not interested in the word being taken out of context, John 1:1 can be totally mis-interpreted without John 1:2-15 being included with it ! Taking one verse out of context like that, that's how cults start !
@@studygodsword5937 that was my exact point. For example, JWs translate it as “...the word was /a/ god”.
@@studygodsword5937 will have to say, I was confused by Wolf Packes intent at first, and then I realized, that is their whole point. People take things out of context and form entire doctrines out of it. Particularly JW's and John 1:1. As soon as I find out something limits Jesus, that's when I know it's cultish.
Bible nerds unite! Haha! Thank you Mike, for being willing to let the Lord work through you.
Every Christian true* should be a bible nerd.
Thank you Pastor Mike. You played a big part in developing my desire and enjoyment of studying the Bible and apologetics!
Same here!
same 💖
Ditto!🤗
Same! Recently I've gotten more interested in Koine greek as well... I don't know how my life will turn out, but it would be cool to study it, for sure :)
@@jasminpetersson1024 I'd encourage you to do a Greek study on John 16:30. A warning, however, when you do you'll be disappointed in Mike's teaching here.
You'll probably never see this but I just had to say thank you. Your heartfelt and wise guidance was meant for me 😄✝️🙏💟
Jesus led me to Islam and I can't thank him enough for that. I don't understand why Christians call Jesus God, I've studied the Bible, though it's corrupted, no where does Jesus say that he is God, worship me or anything of that sort. Jesus is never called God, even if he was called the Son of God, which btw is blasphemy, he was never called God. Instead in your Bible he is called, prophet, messenger, son of man, Man and so on nothing that shows that he is God.
@@viviennebaptiste so glad you shared your thoughts and that you are reading the Bible. Stick with the original texts, be wary of texts, any of them, that were created by man 700 years after Christ. Keep your heart and mind open. Pastor Mike is a safe resource as he teaches directly from Scripture and, if like me, you will learn a lot, especially how to connect the dots in Scripture. You will see Jesus as the Word made flesh and that He was there in the beginning. Really exciting to see the whole picture of God's plan from the O to the N Testament. Just reading bits of Scripture can easily lead to us into confusion. Don't be afraid to challenge what you read and learn, ask questions of all teachers. More importantly pray for the answers you seek, they will provided. May our Lord and Saviour guide you in the Truth, The Way and The Life everlasting. Blessings ✝️💟🙏
@@viviennebaptiste In the Quran it is said that only God can forgive sins. (3:135)
In Matthew 9:2 Jesus himself forgives sins. Not only that Jesus knew the thoughts of men in the following verses.
I’d say that’s a pretty big claim to be God. Jesus is revealed to us throughout scripture. And if you read the entirety of scripture and still believe Jesus never made a claim to be God, then nothing will convince you. Jesus is very plainly God, for who can forgive sins apart from God. On this we agree, and if Jesus said from his own mouth he forgives sins, then you walk knowingly rejecting God as he is fully revealed through his word.
@@viviennebaptiste bro it clearly says in the NT Jesus is God, in his own words. John 1:1, 1:14-18, John 10:30, Matthew 16:15-17, Mark 14:61-63, and there are tons more. If he never said he was God, the pharisees wouldn't have any legal reason to kill him, but as it was they managed to murder him for blasphemy. It says in the quran sura 18 verse 27 that none can change Allah's word, so you saying the gospels are corrupted is going against allah. And we're told to judge by the gospel in sura 5 so basically told to judge by the Bible, but the bible says the quran is wrong. Let alone how muhammad claimed to see an angel, though no one else saw this angel, but Christ had eyewitnesses to his miracles and over 500 ppl saw him rise from the dead. Brother, Christ is the only way to God and God himself. God bless
@@viviennebaptiste Immanuel
Jesus said that his father is greater than him. He humbled himself in the form of a servant and experienced human emotions.
This study keeps me alive Brother Mike. For over a year I have this series playing quietly on shuffle as I go to sleep each night and continue playing until I arrive at work.
Thank you for being submitted enough to the Holy Spirit to be led to teach this deeply and completely.
The Holy Spirit is GOD himself who comes to dwell within us . No trinity no deception .
Do deny the trinity is to deny plain English
@@adamhartley8862 1st Corinthians 3:16 know ye not ye are the temple of GOD and that the spirit of GOD dwelleth within you . No trinity no deception .
He knew at one point that someone had touched his clothes, but not who had done this. Thank you for great teaching!
Yes, Jesus is my Lord and my God. Thank you Jesus for Marrying me and Coming into me with your Resurrected Holy Spirit, Fathering me into your son!
Thank you. Colossians 3:23 is a great reminder of our everyday life.
On the mention of a youth pastor being discouraged about his kids. I remember 30 years ago, when I was in Luthren Confirmation, not paying much attention. We sang songs, studied etc...
30 years later, in times of challenge some of those songs come up in my head encouraging me and giving me strength. When I have not thought of them in years. But spiritual seeds are planted deep.
Agreed. Stuff from vacation bible school hits me often. I'm surprised by how much I actually learned! ❤
I love how you love Jesus. It’s contagious for sure.
I love your joy for the Word. It is infectious! Thank you for what you do and may God continue to bless you!
So happy to have discovered you through Allen Parr. Can’t get enough of your teaching, absolutely love your format and process. Every day feeling the need to live for Jesus, the presence of his comfort and direction. I really appreciate you sharing in everyday language.
This is a critical aspect of the Christian faith that is not emphasized in churches today. Our LORD is truly God and truly Man. He had to be God in order to save humanity, and He had to be human in order to be Our perfect sacrifice to pay for all of the sins of humanity. This amazing! Praise God!
What you said about being faithful in the daily task, and not waiting for 'the big thing' is something I need to be reminded of constantly. I feel called to some things and so I'm constantly struggling to be 'in the moment.' Thank you for reminding me that where I am is where I am and to be faithful there. And thank you for admitting that you struggled too.
“Moreover, it is required of stewards that they be found faithful. But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. For I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me.”
1 Corinthians 4:2-4
Love this verse! Whenever I feel overwhelmed I remember my calling is to be faithful!
I really needed to hear this and didn’t even realize it! I’m guilty of seeing Jesus as the Superman figure but being reminded of His humanity reinforces how much He suffered! ALL FOR US!
Thank you Pastor Mike!
Thank you Pastor Mike. I have been blessed by this teaching. 🙏🏾
This content today was 100% mind blowing! I am so thrilled. Thanks PM!
"Lies Exposed & Truth Revealed" is a must read for all Christians along with your Bibles
Jesus is the son of God and sits on the right hand of the father. That’s good enough for me.
@ David Terry, that is enough for me too. If we just keep it that simple, we will not have so much confusion and division within the body of Christ.
True. Jesus said HE didn’t know, only the FATHER. He’s constantly speaking about someone other than himself throughout the Gospels. He didn’t have a split personality. He wasn’t talking to himself on the cross or in the garden.
“You just have to stop...stop”😆 indeed! Thank you for adding your unique humor to the truth!
Ephesians 5:4-5:
4Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Live everyday for the Lord ❤thank you for your message and May God bless you and keep you close
Amen. I think that the concept you brought up, 'knowing the hour would give us an excuse to be slack in our work' is backed up by scripture. In Matthew 24:42-51 it says essentially the same thing. In 48-50a it says, "But if that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is not coming for a long time,’ and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards; the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him..."
We must always be diligent in the work that God has given us to do.
This was very encouraging for COVID fatigue. I' m one who has always been optimistic about the future, but lately thoughts of how long it's been since Jesus spoke these words and futility of life, and just being tired of the mask, tired of all things covid. It's really been affecting my outlook. I have been clinging to romans 8:18 and surrounding verses. I know I'm in good company of those who are getting tired of doing good. Thanks for the good word at the end.
I really liked this one, especially the ending with ”whatever you do, do it for the Lord”. Indeed, there is wisdom in those words. Not to wait for the ”big thing” to happen, being discouraged from the waiting, but rather making the waiting meaningful. The most known poem here in Sweden, starts like:
”The sated day is never first.
The best day is a day of thirst.
Yes, there is goal and meaning in our path
-but it's the way that is the labour's worth.”
And surely, eagerly eating the word of God in front of others, will trigger some hunger :)
The humanity of Jesus was not something I felt as strong as I now feel after watching this video. Thank you so much
Jesus came as a servant. He was the suffering servant and doing the will of the father. He set aside his divine attributes as part of him performing God’s plan..but what’s more amazing to me, that we need to remember, is that Jesus surrendered his glory to come as the suffering servant. He took on complete and absolute humility. Thank you, Lord!
Proverbs 28:13
“He who conceals his sins will not prosper, but whoever confesses and renounces them will find mercy”
Psalms 18:6
“In my distress I called upon the LORD; I cried to my God for help. From His temple He heard my voice, and my cry for His help reached His ears”
Jesus led me to Islam and I can't thank him enough for that. I don't understand why Christians call Jesus God, I've studied the Bible, though it's corrupted, no where does Jesus say that he is God, worship me or anything of that sort. Jesus is never called God, even if he was called the Son of God, which btw is blasphemy, he was never called God. Instead in your Bible he is called, prophet, messenger, son of man, Man and so on nothing that shows that he is God. Though the Bible contains some truth, as a Muslim I reject is because if something is not 100% true it's a lie.
@@viviennebaptiste Jesus didn't lead you anywhere. You choose Islam by either a false spirit or by your own heart. Mohammad was a false teacher lead by a false Angel of Light. If the Bible is corrupted Which is not true is a Zeitgeist conspiracy, we have the earliest transcript and multiple copies in the original languages. And if the Bible is corrupted that means your book is corrupted as well. There is no more divine revelations from God.
@@viviennebaptiste "if something is not 100% true it's a lie."
I would strongly encourage you to read your Quran with that assertion in mind. This should provide you with the answer to your questions.
Thanks so much for this message!! I feel like it's increasingly timely. I was a little convicted about my own attempts to "predict" much more privately in my own heart, but still. I think you have some excellent points on the times and epochs. I never had heard that before. Also I think you're spot on that when the real signs are present, it won't be "maybe this means that". It will be dead on so clear so that no one will be without excuse in those days. Thank you so much for your research, time and this presentation. I hope more believers find it.
Mike, thanks for lesson and the things we need to remember to do in our daily lives for the Glory of our Father! God Bless!
Thank you pastor Mike for sharing how you use to wait for the big moment (task) to impact others as a Christian. I do at times think the same and I think that many brothers and sisters might expect the same. But it's so true that God looks at our every day if we glorify him. Such a good reminder!
I had a someone (who likes to cause trouble) ask this question in a bible study just last week... so vaguely I answered as you did, but I really needed the help backing it up! Thanks. 😊
I've often reconciled this problem with the point that we are made in God's image and we have a conscious and sub-conscious mind.
Acts 2/32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Romans 8/11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Hebrews 13/20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
1 Corinthians 6/14 Now God has not only raised the Lord, but will also raise us up through His power.
Ephesians 1/20 which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,
2 Corinthians 4/14 knowing that He who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and will present us with you.
Acts 2/24 But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power.
Acts 3/15 but put to death the Prince of life, the one whom God raised from the dead, a fact to which we are witnesses.
Acts 4/10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead-by this name this man stands here before you in good health.
Acts 5/30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross.
Acts 10/40 God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible,
Acts 13:30
But God raised Him from the dead;
Romans 4/24 but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,
Galatians 1/1 Paul, an apostle (not sent from men nor through the agency of man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead),
1 Peter 1/21 who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.
Romans 6/4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
Acts 17/31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”
Acts 13/33 that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, ‘You are My Son; today i have begotten You.’
Romans 8/34 who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
1 Thessalonians 1/9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
1 Samuel 15/29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.
Job 9/32 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.
Job 33/12 Behold, in this thou art not just: I will answer thee, that God is greater than man.
Numbers 23/19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Hosea 11/9 I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.
God bless. Paul said the fullness of deity dwelled bodily. Please understand that Jesus is all God. For you to say he didn't know something is unintentionally blasphemous. Logically your stance doesn't hold. The bible says Mary didn't "know" a man it doesn't mean she literally didn't know. Put this together with the context in acts it is about authority. The Son and Father are one and they know everything.
Thank you so much Mike, my sentiments exactly!!
I enjoy this teaching because I was thinking today about how I don't know the details of God's plans for my future, which is frustrating for me most times because lm into details, but I know God knows the details so I rest in what God knows. But like christ, I trust him with my future. Can you imagine the strength it took for jesus not to use his abilities. I believe when i wake up I'm doing it for the lord. God's using us when we don't know he's using us. I've had people tell me they wanted what I had and I had no idea of what they were talking about, but God show them something through me.
Mike, this was your best video yet, imo. Really good stuff.
HOW in the world does Son of GOD translate into Almighty GOD?
Easy if you are conned by the great resister , and twister of the TRUTH ? ? ?😁😀😄
Thanks Mike! Finding your channel has been an enjoyable, enriching Blessing. And yes, your enthusiasm kept me interested in Mark chapter 13 during 4 videos of an hour each. Not an easy task to fulfill.
Thank you Mike..I so enjoy listening to you..God bless
I love how this keeps us on our toes
I love how u can tell us what we may be up against with unbelievers then the answer and why. Very helpful
Does keeping all of the commands of Christ constitute what it is to be a believer in Christ?
“Here’s an example from a movie that is not Lord Of The Rings.” 😂 Oh Ps Mike 🧙♂️
Not knowing the day, nor the hour..can we think then that it’s another demonstration of Jesus’s submitting to the Father’s will?
Love it...❤️Jesus!!!
Thank you Pastor Mike for your series
Great strategy for turning people into "bible nerds" and thanks so much for encouraging us on faithfulness. It can feel like we aren't doing much for God. But doing all the little things with excellence is what I hear you saying. I'm a stay-at-home mom so that really resonates with me. I LOVE my jobs (plural) BTW! God bless you brother. 🙏
I highly recommend the book "becoming momStrong" by heidi st. John. It is such a blessing for the season of life you (and I) are in.
Thanks for the recommendation. :)
@@mbwilson8592 Is she a progressive?
Here’s a request. How about a teaching on finding the Trinity in the OT. That would be neat. Especially in your ‘indulging’ way that makes us want to do it too! Blessings Pastor Mike and team!
Genesis personifies the “Holy Spirit” as a being that broods over the earth during creation.
Genesis also says that God WALKED with Abraham; and also that the Word of the Lord gave VISIONS to people who later claim to have seen things.
I’d advise looking into the scholar Michael Heiser, he goes more into the linguistics of the languages and thinking about the context as it was written for the Israelites of the day.
@Desire Of All Nations Mhmm. The context of the Bible forces a view of a personified Spirit that hovers over the earth. You see the same language in reference to God brooding over Israel in Numbers 10, or being “overshadowed” or hovered over by the Holy Spirit in Luke 1.
@Jannes Fourie Yeah, that would really be neat!
Pastor Mike has series on Jesus in the old Testament, thanks.
@@viviennebaptiste I'm sorry that a fake gospel led you further from the truth.
You, and I, being made in His Image, proves how He works. Humans are made of Soul, Spirit, and Flesh. The godhead teaches that Yahweh is also these three things; but because it's still Yahweh, it's one being with three different personifications.
You also make the claim that no where in the bible does it claim that Christ is Yahweh, and I beg to differ. His name, for example, means "Yahweh is salvation." He claims to be the same "I am" that led the Israelites out of Egypt (something the Angel of THE NAME did), or the "I am" before Abraham.
I'd also like to point out that the bible also says that no one has seen God at any time, but Christ is how we see the visible image of the invisible God.
Islam is *not* the way, and I urge you to study from people who actually want to teach the *Gospel*, not what they want to teach. The message of the bible is clear; but humans have put greed before His Word, thus you get the tampering that scholars denounce.
You also made the claim that if something isn't 100% true, it's a lie. I agree with this, however I must ask you something, as a Muslim:
If Allah deceives people - those who saw Yahushua die on a cross - but it was actually Judas the betrayer, wouldn't that make your god deceitful?
Jesus allows himself to be led by the Father because he is the teacher showing us to be led by the Father
I can't fully explain how much I needed to hear the message that started at 1:05:41 of this video about doing everything for God and what I am doing being enough. That has been a real struggle for me.Thank you Pastor Mike.
The church is the bride Jesus is the bridegroom in the first century before a son gets married the father sends him away he doesn't know when he is coming back untill the father sends for him it's a picture of a Jewish wedding
Yes! Specifically a Galilean wedding. Amir Tsarfati and Jan Markell have an excellent video documentary on this very thing. The symbolism and imagery Jesus used to show the Bride of Christ as the church and Jesus as the groom, and His return is absolutely beautiful! Highly recommend!
Where does this idea come from? I have searched for sources from the second temple period but I have found none so far. The idea seems to trace back to a paper written by Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum but when asked he has provided no specific literary references to such a wedding tradition in the first century. It has been presented by some in recent years to support a pre-trib view but I am not inclined to accept it as fact without seeing specific Jewish literary sources that describe it in the 2nd temple period.
Before the wrath Movie/ Doc/ Drama
Bill Johnson’s book Heaven Meets Earth sounds Kenosis-y to me lol. Aside from multiple contradictions that purposely muddy the theological waters of his points, he mentions Jesus being God who then in becoming human left His deity behind to show us that what He did on earth was possible for us to do too. Using Philippians 2:7 as a reference, with lots of convenient ellipses.
God Bless You Mike! I’m thankful for you responding to God with your online ministry!
Absolute Power under control.
When I was a young musician, my teacher told me I could play any virtuoso classical repertoire. I can but I need to sit down and learn the scores. God can also do anything but because he is good, he has limited the exercise of some of his power. Jesus limited himself for a reason (closed off parts of himself: his glory).
That seems right to me. I had not heard it explained that way before. Very interesting.
I wonder how Mike would respond to this. The following quote is what makes me think that Bethel might be teaching full-on Kenosis. At the beginning of chapter 2 of When Heaven Invades Earth (which is still one of the most popular books at Bethel. I believe it's still used as a textbook in BSSM) Bill Johnson says the following:
"Jesus could not heal the sick. Neither could He deliver the tormented from demons or raise the dead. To believe otherwise is to ignore what He said about Himself, and more importantly, to miss the purpose of His self-imposed restriction to live as a man . . . He had NO supernatural capabilities whatsoever! While He is 100 percent God, He chose to live with the same limitations that man would face once He was redeemed . . . He performed miracles, wonders, and signs as a man in right relationship with God...not as God."
This quote is a big part of why I kind of hold Johnson in the "I don't know" category as to whether he's really a believer.
I am always amazed at your incredible insight into Scripture. Thank you.
Thank you for today’s teaching, especially the eschatology part. I agree with what you said a lot! A pastor in my church has the end-time-prediction-addiction, and I learned a lot from him for a short while. But the more I read Scripture, the more I see we shouldn’t know when the end time come. We need to live as if Jesus is coming any time AND as if he is coming way later, which results in we need to be on alert AND endure for a long time. In short, be a good and faithful servant. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
The rapture is a Jewish wedding.
The groom goes to his father's house to build on a room for his bride. Only the father knows when the room is ready & it's time.
Then the groom goes to the bride's house with his wedding party. When the bride hears the shofar she ru s to meet him.
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Why are you being ugly? Maybe you should pay closer attention to the" thou shalt not judge." Do you know better?
@@Proverbs1711 My goodness what an unbelievably and unnecessarily harsh reply. Perhaps you didn't get any remedial training and learn to treat others with kindness?
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@@sheilalee387 where's that at exactly?
The Lord promises us, NO MORE SECRETS. Yet we turn to man for answers when all we have to do is ask him.
Thank you for this video. God bless you
Jesus is coming in my lifetime? Not, Jesus is coming in my lifetime! Amen.
Mike, I respect you and listen to you all the time. There is something that I can't reconcile. This is multiple times now that I've heard you talk about speaking about the End Times. I agree with what you said about people being paranoid and irresponsible. I also agree with you in the fact that we only have one life and should live like Jesus is coming back tomorrow. I think if we knew when Jesus was coming back, we would not be living by faith, and without that it is imposable to please God. Why then, does Jesus bother with the book of Revelation? If we aren't suppose to focus on or be aware of the seasons of the rapture or judgement day, then why does Jesus give us that book? Is it possible that the disciples weren't supposed to know the day or hour or seasons like most of the prophets in the OT didn't know the time of Jesus' first coming but there is a generation in the future that should be aware of the times they're living in? I guess what i'm asking is, is there a responsible way of looking for signs of... say the antichrist figure.... and being prepared for things... as opposed to being prepared in a general sense because there are always people in this world who are opposed to Christ?
Very well written and I have the same questions or points. I think Mike may be going overboard a bit here because of personal experiences not scripture. I love the channel but I am ready to move on from this discussion.
Yes, the same question here. We can't be blind to what is happening and not at least entertain a thought that the current events might be something that we should really take seriously and not close our eyes and ears to the idea that this might be leading to something... Of course, only in the light of the Scriptures.
Point them to the book of revelation, where the Lord Jesus knows every detail about the end, showing it to John and to us. This should be enough since you can even proof with the Koran that the Bible is true.
Come, Lord Jesus!
Maranatha!
In this western world, we feel uncomfortable asking questions because it feels like doubting. But the Jewish teaching STARTED with asking questions. That's how we should learn
I totally agree with you about all of this session. I'd like to "imagine" when Jesus' return may happen, and I like to keep it to myself. I believe you were born for this ministry. I pray for you to have complete success in this work. ❤
Hi Mike, good teaching. So at the time when Jesus said that statement did that include the Holy Spirit not knowing either?
🤔 great question my friend
He asked the same thing in the description below video
If I may take a off the top of my head attempt at answering this. Now I may be wrong. But chronology speaking I'm not sure the holy spirit was a known part of God at that time. I'm only basing this off when jesus ascended he told his disciples that it's good for him to go. When he goes he will send the comforter aka "holy spirit". Before Jesus it was just God. Then God came to us as Jesus. then he sent the holy spirit to keep the connection open. That is how Jesus lives in us while preparing our home in heaven.
@@Bronzeserpent91 Keep in mind that the Holy Spirit is God, not a part of God.
@@danielchiappe yes. And so is Jesus. Just preform different tasks, for a simple way of putting it.
Perhaps by becoming human He had to set aside some of His abilities. Instead, He worked through the Holy Spirit, like humans must.
That's pretty much exactly what Philippians 2:7 says.
Ain't that the heresy of Modalism?
No, God knows everything, so Jesus KNOWS what will eventually happen because He is God. BUT, and here is the mistake almost everyone makes, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit have their own unique personas or minds also, THREE.......IN...........ONE, thus God simply has chosen not to make up His mind until the moment He decides to send Jesus to get the bride yet. He waits for his Wrath to get filled up. Jesus knows what is coming, He just doesn't know the Day nor the Hour that the Father will say, GO GET YOUR BRIDE.
Sorry not modalism but the kenotic Christ (i.e. Jesus stopped being God when in Earth), which is also a heresy
Acts 2/32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Romans 8/11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Hebrews 13/20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
1 Corinthians 6/14 Now God has not only raised the Lord, but will also raise us up through His power.
Ephesians 1/20 which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,
2 Corinthians 4/14 knowing that He who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and will present us with you.
Acts 2/24 But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power.
Acts 3/15 but put to death the Prince of life, the one whom God raised from the dead, a fact to which we are witnesses.
Acts 4/10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead-by this name this man stands here before you in good health.
Acts 5/30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross.
Acts 10/40 God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible,
Acts 13:30
But God raised Him from the dead;
Romans 4/24 but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,
Galatians 1/1 Paul, an apostle (not sent from men nor through the agency of man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead),
1 Peter 1/21 who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.
Romans 6/4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
Acts 17/31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”
Acts 13/33 that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, ‘You are My Son; today i have begotten You.’
Romans 8/34 who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
1 Thessalonians 1/9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
1 Samuel 15/29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.
Job 9/32 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.
Job 33/12 Behold, in this thou art not just: I will answer thee, that God is greater than man.
Numbers 23/19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Hosea 11/9 I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.
Excellent teaching - thank you!,
Thank you as always!
Is Allah all-knowing?
*Quran 3,140-142*
140 If a wound has afflicted you (at Ohud), a wound like it has also afflicted the (unbelieving) people; and We bring these days to men by turns, *and that Allah may know* those who believe and take witnesses from among you; and Allah does not love the unjust.
141 And that He may purge those who believe and deprive the unbelievers of blessings.
142 Do you think that you will enter the garden *while Allah has not yet known those who strive hard from among you, and (He has not) known the patient.*
The Islamic god Allah or Satan as we know him is not all knowing he is a deceiver as stated in your Koran.
The difference between allah and the one true living God ( Jesus Christ ) is allah does not love the unjust ( verse 140 ) and Jesus Christ ( God ) does. And Jesus Christ is the first to rise from the died and conquer ( have victory over ) death.
For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: ( 1 Peter 3:17,18 )
Jesus Christ suffered and died for the sins of the unjust ( that's us ). That's why he asked the Father to forgive because we no not what we do. We are justified by Grace through faith alone because He ( Jesus Christ ) is the justifier, the sin barer. Took our sins upon himself and for our pardon. By his stripes we are healed, he ( Jesus Christ ) ( the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world ) died to set the captives free. Only Jesus Christ was/is/and always will be the Just one. We are the unjust saved by Grace through faith. Our spirits are quickened because we ( the unjust ) put our trust ( belief ) in the one true living God ( Jesus Christ ). It is not of our own doing lest any man should boast. ( Ephesians 2:8,9 ) Grace, Mercy and Peace be with you.
Allah doesn't even know the difference between Mary mother of Jesus and Miriam sister of Moses. Nor does he know who Christian's believe make up the Trinity. Allah reckons Father, Son and Mary
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Amen
Interesting holes in the narrative to use against Islam right there
Still on 8:23, the third one makes sense. I've thought about it before, but I've always held on to the second one as a default... But thinking about it now, there's only so much the human brain can contain, so while the fullness of knowledge resides in Christ's divine form, the human form might only have access to certain portions (all at His and The Father's behest by the way).
Looking forward to the breakdown in the rest of the video
At 25:35 now, bullseye!... and yes, the Dash example is cheesy, but good😂... I also liked the bench press example😂... Wish I'd tuned in for this when it was live, but I was occupied at the time, and my signal wasn't so good
Can I get a permit for the use of Prediction-Addiction (Mike Winger © 2021)?🙏🥺😂
God bless. Paul said the fullness of deity dwelled bodily. Please understand that Jesus is all God. For you to say he didn't know something is unintentionally blasphemous. Logically your stance doesn't hold. The bible says Mary didn't "know" a man it doesn't mean she literally didn't know. Put this together with the context in acts it is about authority. The Son and Father are one and they know everything.
@@RealImaginGaming I think you misinterpreted... I didn't say Christ is devoid of any knowledge, He knows all. I'm only saying (just as Mike said later in the video) that in His human form, i.e. while operating as His divine self IN a human body (just so we're clear, I'm not suggesting modalism), He in accordance with the Father's will might have chosen to give attention to specific bodies of knowledge at different points in time
@@joszsz kind brother. Please note that I love you and these discussions. But be v careful to say Jesus lacked something is to say he lacked being God. He's the I Am , he's ALWAYS GOD. I urge you to really look at what Paul said its clear "in him the FULLNESS of deity dwelled bodily" what does full mean?
@@RealImaginGaming I understand your points here, and I appreciate your concern, and I do speak from a point of love and respect for you, and absolute reverence to Jesus. I'm not trying to diminish His divinity in any way, but if it seems that way, I guess I'll stop here so it doesn't come off as something offensive
The fun house mirror analogy was SPOT ON!!
Choosing not to access His divine nature. Amazing.
I'd never looked at it that way. Thanks Mike
Muslim say: "[...] nor the Son [...]"
me: wow, so you Muslims say that Jesus is the Son of God?
smh the blatant stupidity. HOW in the world does Son of GOD translate into Almighty GOD?
Conclusion: Jesus does know the hour. The word "know" in its original language also means "reveal"
I heard that from a teacher in the last week or two, but can't remember who...in fact, I couldn't remember what they said even until you reminded me! Was it Mike? Or was it Anthony Rogers?
Which greek word are you referencing for the English word "Know"?
Then why not just put that in the bible when translating? Why make it so secretive and confusing. Yes, I'm a fairly knew believer and one reason I never wanted to read the bible is because i thought it would cause me to not believe because I knew there would be so many questions and I'd have to become a biblical scholar to try to understand it. As you can tell, I'm somewhat frustrated with it. Part of me just wants to read the bible and take it at face value without having to dig and dig to find a deeper answer.
@@knothead35 hey, I sometime have the same feeling. But I also think that we don’t necessarily need to dig that deep to understand what is the most important message of the bible: who Jesus was, why he came, died and what it means for us. That’s pretty clear, I think. And luckily we have people like Mike, who are doing this for us and if we have a question about some detail, we usually find an answer somewhere :) bless you brother
@@drvosan3351 thank you, I'm a sister, buy Yes, this channel is a blessing. I'm blaming my frustration on the time change
I appreciate you doin what you do pastor Mike!! You're the man.... the wingman!!
Thank you.
My grandmother is a Jehovah’s Witness. She has been pestering me about this lately. Telling me how Jesus couldn’t be God. Using all these different things in scripture to try and prove it. I can’t even have a normal conversation with her without her bringing it up. I’ve been at a low point in my faith the past few months. I know what she’s saying isn’t true but it gets in my head.
52:36 brings me to tears when I let it sink in
Was just asking this exact question yesterday with my small group!!! What impeccable timing!
God bless. Paul said the fullness of deity dwelled bodily. Please understand that Jesus is all God. For you to say he didn't know something is unintentionally blasphemous. Logically your stance doesn't hold. The bible says Mary didn't "know" a man it doesn't mean she literally didn't know. Put this together with the context in acts it is about authority. The Son and Father are one and they know everything.
I love your teaching brother Mike. May God bless your ministry.
Amen Brother! Such a good word!
God is great :D
Those who question the Deity of Jesus lacks understanding or just simply unfamiliar or disinterested about the Bible ; The Word of God .
Thank you so much Mike!! Loved how you handled this topic in such a balanced sound way. Praise God!
One other thought. I think the Son limited His knowledge of the day and the hour and that this fits with the pattern being drawn upon from the customs of a traditional Jewish marriage. The Father sends out the Spirit to gather a bride for the Son. The Son goes to prepare a place in the Father's house. The Father sends the order out for the Son to go receive His bride unto Himself. I guess we could say that within the godhead it was decided to be this way as a picture to us of how the Son had submitted Himself to the authority of the Father in this timing of gathering His bride. I think it is referring specifically to the coming of the Lord (rapture) rather than the 2nd coming with His bride. Just my thoughts. Thank you so much Mike!
Thanks Mike for the information, very helpful!
Brother, I watch/listen to your messages in their entirety. The last 15 minutes of this lesson, powerful! I really needed to hear that. Thank you
Great job sir, your passion for teaching the Word is getting me excited about the Word! Man cannot survive on bread alone. Thanks for serving the Lord and making a great meal!
He is giving respect to the authority of the father to give the day and hour as they would do in jewish weddings since we are the bride of jesus
Magnificent video
Thank you for challenging us Pastor👍🏾
Thank you :D
As a man in His humanity he did not know all things, but as God in His deity He knew all things, Peter said Lord you knoweth all things. Scripture says Jesus know there thoughts in Mark 2.
I haven't found another teacher on TH-cam that I listened to as much as Chuck Missler until I found your channel. Thank you!
Amen! Been saying this for years! I didnt read ur thoughts on HG. But I believe Jesus walked as a man filled with Holy Ghost and worked in all the gifts of the Holy Ghost. He didn't tap into His deity but was lead by the Holy Spirit.
Most intelligent explanation for the separation of Jesus from His Godhood. And the moment by moment obedience...that is exactly what God has been calling me to.
Perfect idea about Gods will and the way Jesus submitted to the Fathers Will.