The height of the player should be considered if they prefered to stay closer to table or not. Usually tall player are heavier and prefer to pull back from table earlier and able to create power away from table or after the ball fall. Short and smaller players got no such option in this matter, they should play more compact and even utilized smaller or more passive strokes such as block to keep their distance short like Harimoto.
Just my 2 cents: - versus fast, long, spinny balls: shorten your bh stroke & use more wrist. - versus short, slow ball: use more arm movement to generate spin & speed for the ball.
@@cadcdo2532 yea i also think that if a ball actually comes really short and u wanna generate a good amount of spin u really need to use ur wrist quite well
Very interesting video. Thanks for making it :) Would you making a video explaining how to do the backhand loop (handshake)? I'd love to watch it. I haven't been able to find a good video about that.
This video is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen in my life. It is decent, amazing and fantastic, I am inspired by this art piece.Well done and keep it up 👍🏻
Should emphasize Long arm vs shorter arm backhand stroke. Because of physiology long arm players will have to initiate contact further off center of the body than shorthand players. However; long arm players can produce more powerful shots due to wider pendulum stroke. But the shorter hand players have the advantage of better transition. You can compare Mike Tyson vs much taller opponents.
This is bullshit. This is player centric style. Ma long uses short punchy backhand whereas FZD uses fluid motion. Nothing has to do with Europeans or Chinese
Some players, for example, Timo Boll, is still playing at the 3rd or 4th contact point to allow more space and time to execute the shot. However, as I said in the video, more and more players are switching to the Chinese style, contacting the ball earlier.
Technically, modern day difference in backhands between Chinese and European is very small due large part to the adoption of large plastic balls and popular use of backhand flick tech. In stead of saying Chinese style and European style backhands, better characterize as individual player style. Even within Chinese, backhand stroke for each player is quite different. For example, Ma Long, Fan, Lin Gaoyuan, noticeably, the upcoming young star Lin Shidong with super compact and quick stroke. The same can be said about European players. . However, there are clear difference between old era and nowadays regarding backhand mechanics. Also in the old era, there were indeed difference between Chinese and European backhands in that Chinese emphasized close table speed with small compact stroke while EU players often had much large and powerful stroke farther away from the table. Well, the use of plastic ball changed TT landscape and converged major skill difference and technically Chinese are not superior to European anymore. In some areas, European even enjoy some advantages, like penhold grip play as the current two best penhold players are all from Europe.
I completely disagree with you. You are showing completely different types of players from different ages and telling us that this is the European or Chinese style of backhand, but that's wrong. It's not specific to European or Chinese styles; those are just the individual styles of those players. And you're giving examples of older European-style players, whereas modern players mostly play in a similar way to Chinese players with their backhands. Nowadays, both in Europe and in China, players use many different styles.
Yeah I'm in agreement with this one! I don't think it's so different anymore like it's 2003. The reason everyone is lifting the elbow up and using lots of wrist is because that's how the flick works...and if you use the body and relax the shoulder...you get a loop that's sort of like a flick.
Yeah, Ma Long has changed his backhand technique a few times during his career. Also you can't compare strokes against backspin vs topspin. Different distances from the table require different form. It depends on how your training partner is blocking as well. Ma Long and FZD almost never do a dead block, they go forward over the ball putting pace and spin on the ball. So you don't need such a long stroke to produce force because you can borrow theirs. I appreciate the intention of the video though, but it needs a lot more refinement.
All of comments above as well as video itself most appreciated in the sense of being so educational for me trying to learn BH varieties. Tks + Cheers !!
It is wrong title.|It is Old BH topspin vs new.There are examples of old european players 20years ago vs young chinese.Ovtcharov,Franziska,Pitchord topspin are like chinese,short.
Well he was Born and raised in germany. So unlike many female players who emigrate from China once they are already at professional level I consider him german. Otherwise Dima wouldn't be german either.
I think 🤔 this is an amazing compliment to other videos ... To each new player the game does change constantly etc
The height of the player should be considered if they prefered to stay closer to table or not. Usually tall player are heavier and prefer to pull back from table earlier and able to create power away from table or after the ball fall. Short and smaller players got no such option in this matter, they should play more compact and even utilized smaller or more passive strokes such as block to keep their distance short like Harimoto.
Excellent well researched video. Please keep posting such quality videos.
Highly underrated channel.
Thanks a lot!
Wow, this is so informative! Thanks for sharing!
wow great video, keep up the good work, seeing people like you collaborating with table tennis is inspiring, hugs from brazil
Thanks so much!
Very helpful. Thanks for sharing this video.❤❤❤❤
Just my 2 cents:
- versus fast, long, spinny balls: shorten your bh stroke & use more wrist.
- versus short, slow ball: use more arm movement to generate spin & speed for the ball.
Isn't it the other way around instead? Particularly against short slow ball, there's not much space for spin-generating arm movement.
@@cadcdo2532 yea i also think that if a ball actually comes really short and u wanna generate a good amount of spin u really need to use ur wrist quite well
Look at the footwork of Ma Long 🤯 Insane legend
Thank you! High quality
Very interesting video. Thanks for making it :) Would you making a video explaining how to do the backhand loop (handshake)? I'd love to watch it. I haven't been able to find a good video about that.
Great suggestion!
Fantastic video. Very educational and great visuals to what you are talking about.
Glad you enjoyed it!
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Absolute masterpiece
This video is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen in my life. It is decent, amazing and fantastic, I am inspired by this art piece.Well done and keep it up 👍🏻
I’d like to express my utmost gratitude for your compliment
Nice table tennis video 😊
very nice, thanks!!!
Should emphasize Long arm vs shorter arm backhand stroke. Because of physiology long arm players will have to initiate contact further off center of the body than shorthand players. However; long arm players can produce more powerful shots due to wider pendulum stroke. But the shorter hand players have the advantage of better transition. You can compare Mike Tyson vs much taller opponents.
My thoughts exactly!! Thanks for mentioning
This is bullshit. This is player centric style. Ma long uses short punchy backhand whereas FZD uses fluid motion. Nothing has to do with Europeans or Chinese
We have the Chinese backhand, the European backhand, but coming soon to a table near you . . . the BETTER backhand! 😀😀
Interesting comment regarding contact point. Have you noticed European players hit the ball at the 3/4 mark with the poly ball as well?
Some players, for example, Timo Boll, is still playing at the 3rd or 4th contact point to allow more space and time to execute the shot. However, as I said in the video, more and more players are switching to the Chinese style, contacting the ball earlier.
Technically, modern day difference in backhands between Chinese and European is very small due large part to the adoption of large plastic balls and popular use of backhand flick tech. In stead of saying Chinese style and European style backhands, better characterize as individual player style. Even within Chinese, backhand stroke for each player is quite different. For example, Ma Long, Fan, Lin Gaoyuan, noticeably, the upcoming young star Lin Shidong with super compact and quick stroke. The same can be said about European players. .
However, there are clear difference between old era and nowadays regarding backhand mechanics. Also in the old era, there were indeed difference between Chinese and European backhands in that Chinese emphasized close table speed with small compact stroke while EU players often had much large and powerful stroke farther away from the table.
Well, the use of plastic ball changed TT landscape and converged major skill difference and technically Chinese are not superior to European anymore. In some areas, European even enjoy some advantages, like penhold grip play as the current two best penhold players are all from Europe.
Can you make a video on forehand drive
I completely disagree with you. You are showing completely different types of players from different ages and telling us that this is the European or Chinese style of backhand, but that's wrong. It's not specific to European or Chinese styles; those are just the individual styles of those players. And you're giving examples of older European-style players, whereas modern players mostly play in a similar way to Chinese players with their backhands. Nowadays, both in Europe and in China, players use many different styles.
Yeah I'm in agreement with this one! I don't think it's so different anymore like it's 2003. The reason everyone is lifting the elbow up and using lots of wrist is because that's how the flick works...and if you use the body and relax the shoulder...you get a loop that's sort of like a flick.
Yeah, Ma Long has changed his backhand technique a few times during his career. Also you can't compare strokes against backspin vs topspin. Different distances from the table require different form. It depends on how your training partner is blocking as well. Ma Long and FZD almost never do a dead block, they go forward over the ball putting pace and spin on the ball. So you don't need such a long stroke to produce force because you can borrow theirs.
I appreciate the intention of the video though, but it needs a lot more refinement.
All of comments above as well as video itself most appreciated in the sense of being so educational for me trying to learn BH varieties.
Tks + Cheers !!
I agree with this point of criticism. But I still think this is a very good video for the clips and much of the analysis.
Good points
EXCELLENT EXPLANATOPN AND PHOTOES. THANKS A LOT.
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Ther is big dofferemce before 2016.. with this new ball style is change for chinese players
Nice videos of Europeans from more than a decade ago 😆
It is wrong title.|It is Old BH topspin vs new.There are examples of old european players 20years ago vs young chinese.Ovtcharov,Franziska,Pitchord topspin are like chinese,short.
Everything aside.. What the heck is this 3:54... That's swedish backhand topspin I think, but it's damn aggressive....
Spanish subtitles!!!!
Will try 🙂
Quite educational, but the title should be evolution of backhand stroke, not Chinese & European 😊
European players like Dang Qiu lol
Well he was Born and raised in germany. So unlike many female players who emigrate from China once they are already at professional level I consider him german. Otherwise Dima wouldn't be german either.
European...
Very bad video.. you dont make difference in new are with new balls.. very very poor boy