Grill table & outdoor kitchen MISTAKES! +Sneak peak of my new grill studio space (do's & don'ts)
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- Thinking of building a BBQ table for your grill and or doing a full blown outdoor kitchen grill studio? Having built three different versions of grill tables for my Kamado Joe's & Big Green Eggs leading into this years project of a complete outdoor kitchen grill studio I share some do's and don'ts when it comes to planning your next project to help make sure its functional, long lasting and meets your needs.
The first outdoor BBQ table I built was for a single Big Green Egg using the table plan from N
aked Whiz which looked great for about 5min and started to show some of the limitations in the construction and materials.
The section grill table I built was for a Big Green Egg large and a Minimax adding some storage space which improved some of the structural issues but didn't solve the longevity issues for the table top.
The third version I installed twin Kamado Joe Classics in a custom made grill table from cedar with a concrete table top. This was my favourite of all the ones I have made, and had I been able to modify it for the big joe I would have kept it.
For 2021, I am in the midst of building an outdoor BBQ kitchen studio that will improve weather protection, lighting and storage. Stay tuned for the complete reveal in a few weeks.
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Anyone else that hits the like button before watching this video? This is my favorite channel on TH-cam already!!!
too kind. thanks 🙏
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Me too!!!!
Unless your hungry. When your hungry he’s just a tease 😂
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As it turns out my motto is.... "Perhaps your life's purpose is to serve as a warning to others of what not to do"
We thank you for your brutal honesty..... Its refreshing!
I try like with this for stuff I pay for or anything I am lucky enough to get sent to treat it the same as is this worth your hard earned cash. If life had an undo button this purchase would definitely get it
We love your determination with all of your table designs over the years James! Can’t wait to see your new bbq space once it’s complete! You may have inspired us to shoot a part 2 video showing how we built our BBQ school, named The Grill Studio, from the ground up! 🔥☀️👏
awesome, can't wait to see
Good morning James. I am new to kamado style cooking and ran across your chanel two days ago! I must say that you are very thorough and give great information! I appreciate your transparency and tips that you give and bring to the table. I am looking forward to firing up my Kamado for the first time today! I must become minimally proficient within a week as I have my two sons and their families coming on the 21st! I truly appreciate all that you do for us. Thank you.
Tim Farrington (Colorado Springs Colorado)
thanks so much Tim. so happy help accelerate your learning curve
Love the new shirt…much more flattering than your winter plaids.
i was made for hot weather lol
Great video as usual James.
I solved the wear and tear issue: Giant outdoor furniture cover! $80.00 and my year-old table looks as good as new!
fantastic, good tip
Congrats on the new Naturecast Kitchen! Cheers from Calgary!
Thanks so much! Cheers Bill
Fantastic idea to share you grill studio experience. Your new project is stunning.
To me the greatest of all is to simply have a roof on top of my grill zone and patio.
Other great advantage when building your zone is (if possible) to have no steps between the house kitchen and your grill.
I saw you have a window behind your new table. I do have it too and mine leads to the kitchen, so it is very fun when we are making pizza for example. A team prepares pizza inside and get cooked outside passing in and out thru this window.
Finally, to ensure your table never loosens, metal square tubes welded together will never! Just need some shelves and a good counter top.
thanks so much, can't wait for it to get the grill light to start cooking
There’s a lot of great advice here. I used 4x4 materials with a 2x4 and plywood base. I left a square recess that was 25x25” below the grill position and filled it with pavers. This dimension allowed me to complete a paver base with only 2 cuts. I am thrilled with your surface advice and I chose granite. It was way easier to cut with a diamond grinder disk than I thought and bonus the circular part of the cut is now a small table. For those on a budget, no worries granite and pavers are frequently available on sites like Craig’s list.
good points, thanks Chad
Super helpful. Just got a Big Joe, and I'm going to do a table. This saved me a lot of frustration. Time to build a tank...
Love the idea of having a roof over the cooking area. That's on my list for sure. Looking forward to seeing the final product.
Awesome! Thank you! i am hoping it lives up to expectations lol
SO helpful. Your wisdom and sense of practicality and style in all this is simply the best. I'm looking forward to your reveal and learning as I build my own.
Thanks so much!
Fantastic advise James thanks so much for sharing.
Glad it was helpful!
Our new house has a covered space that is plumbed and ready for an outdoor kitchen. In order of importance I need (1) working surface space, (2) storage space, (3) a sink. I'm not going to try to integrate my Classic II into the counter because I've learned (partially due to this channel) that no grill is forever. I could easily see upgrading to a Big Joe or some other grill altogether and it doesn't make sense to customize a counter for the grill I have now. Also from the point of resale, down here gas grills are far more popular than charcoal grills. I don't want to narrow my pool of potential buyers to just people who own 18" circular kamado type grills.
good call, my new space is not going to look as integrated but it will be more versatile for swapping different grills in and out vs. needing to start the entire kitchen over again each time which is a big problem
Outdoor kitchen is looking great. Can't wait to see it in real life!!
i have so much lamb saved up just for you lol
Thanks for sharing your learning. I'm in the middle of researching & designing a space!
thanks... pick something new with each project. hopefully our last
Can’t wait for the completed project. Once I move to a larger home I definitely want an outdoor kitchen to prep and cook in.
thanks and cheers
My 2 cents to add on my cart / table....
All wood was redwood and fastened with stainless screws
When using ceramice / tile as heat stops also under tile was cement board that gives a second move and sink for heat
When placing grill on feet plan on extra height to shelf for air feeding / blower and keep the bottom setting of grill plate as small and tall as posible
With top or prep / set hot stuff here Get that as large as you can and mine was flushed to all top serfaces and cemented / mortared in to make clean up better
And last tip from my build Leave air gaps on surface joints as all wood will move and and needs space to not cause fracures because of warpage
yes exactly, some good points
Looks great im going to go with the grilla grills modular system
Right on
Woah the summertime costume is out!! Love it 😎🤙
the best time of year
This is so exciting seeing you build your outdoor kitchen! Thanks for sharing tips along the way!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks, For sharing looks like it's going to be pretty awesome. Can't wait to see the finished product.
thanks
Great tips. (And my bride always loves the shirts!)
Love that! cheers
I would try to find some kind of roll-up style fabric blind for the front/sides. Having that guard for poor weather would save your new setup from damage over the years. It would also provide a containment feel that would make cold weather cooks more bearable. A ceiling fan would be a good idea too. Push the smoke out of the peak to avoid smoke damage. Looks great! Best of luck with the remaining steps.
thanks 🙏. we are planning to have a ceiling fan, hoping that moves the smoke well enough
Wanted a table myself, watched several vids including your own, but went with a bbq side table. Storage underneath, stainless steel top. We also have an Ooni Kodav16 pizza oven, so the Keter extra large BBQ / prep / storage table is what we went with. Great videos, great education James!
Thanks & Good stuff!
Really nice! Looking forward to the reveal. Can you please show us your new roof covering. Is it vented? Hight? & other tips. Thank you so much!
its nearly done... its not vented but does have a ceiling fan to help push out smoke
I feel your struggle. I'm building what I hope is my final outdoor kitchen. Concrete blocks for bones, skinned in limestone with concrete countertops. Most importantly, as you've also learned, I've built it under a roof.
Can't wait to see the new studio!
Sounds great! would love to see your final version too
@@SmokingDadBBQ Hahaha so would i, James, so would I.
Can’t wait to see finished studio!
thanks... same here. hopefully the next few weeks
Great video! I’m working on my new backyard design so it was fun to watch this
Awesome! Thank you! Can't wait to see what you come up with
The Naked Whiz was a great source for table ideas and plans when i built my table.
makes it so easy
Congrats, James! I can’t wait to see the final reveal 🤙
thanks Mike
Loving the channel James from over here in sunny England, I can say that you're the reason why I now have a classic joe 2 and am now planning my own outdoor cooking studio/shack, keep up the great work👍
thanks so much, enjoy planning your space
Excellent video, James! Looking forward to seeing the finished project.
You and me both!
Wow!! Looking forward for the final product. Thanks for all the tips!! 🔥🔥
thanks 🙏
I am thinking of building a bbq studio like yours, it gave me great ideas. Thanks a lot !
happy to help
Hi James,
looking forward towards the finished project!
Brad.
NJ
You and me both! thanks Brad
@@SmokingDadBBQ
James what do you think is best size butcher paper to use, the 18inch or 24 inch .
I do smoke whole briskets , that's probably the biggest thing I smoke.
How is the cooking studio in the backyard coming ?
Thank you,
Brad.
I'd love to have an outdoor kitchen, but our home was basically built by carving a big hole out of the middle of a hill and building a house in it. So the front and large parts of the back yards are hills, and the only "flat" area is outside the back basement door, which would be really inconvenient to go back and forth to from the kitchen inside the house.
My kamado is currently on our concrete front porch which does have a roof over it, so that helps with the weather at least, but I'm looking to getting some kind of long prep table now to replace the cheap $35 card table one I have (I want a long table for rolling out long sheets of butcher paper to wrap brisket etc).
On the grilling at night front, since our porch light has been shorted out for many years now and we've never bothered having it fixed because the flood lights still work, I picked up the tip of getting a head lamp from Jeremy Yoder and that has been a wonderful investment. It's SO much better than trying to hold a flashlight while doing something or having to nag someone in the house to come and hold the light for you.
hahaha we have all done the flashlight trick at some point
Can’t wait to see the finished product!
you and me both
Love seeing this new grill space come together, and can't wait to see the final reveal! Colour me jealous from another fellow Canuck! Congrats on the new space!!!
You and me both! Thanks so much Ken
Awesome! Can’t wait to see the finished project!
Me too! Thanks chef
Hey James, can you PLEASE do a full video on a work-back schedule and how to time cooks properly? I can never time it to finish at the right emp "on time", and i'm always chasing a temperature but not getting there! Love your videos, keep it up :)
will do. check out 09:45 in the meantime - th-cam.com/video/gdcaOjQt_I0/w-d-xo.html
As always great content! I'm planning my outdoor kitchen now and love the idea of the pull out table between my two grills! And lighting will need to keep being thought about!
Glad it was helpful!
that kitchen island looks sweet. your going to have alot of fun there :D
i can't wait
Awesome thanks for sharing James looks like it’s all coming along and thanks for sharing the tips! I need a roof yet but as you know materials are expensive right now.
its insane right now lol
Looking forward to the finished product!
thanks Tom
Great info James, I've been there and made all of the mistakes!
cheers
Congratulations on your new Grill studio setting! Look forward to see the final result - as the say goes: “practice makes perfect” - I think I’m going to try building Table #3 next year 😃
Very true! Good luck on the build
Great video thank you for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
Great video! Recently found the channel and have been binging the content all week
Awesome! Thank you!
Looking good, and can't wait to see the finished product!
thanks Brian. You and me both!
I recently got my first Joe (Jr.) a few weeks ago. And after struggling to either find a table/bench for it, or the ones I found had a higher price tag than the Kamado Joe Jr. itself… I went ahead and jumped into the DYI wagon using 2x4’s and galvanized joints/connectors.
It was super fun, and I ended with the sense of pride that comes with building something from scratch, but I’m not sure if on the long run It would’ve been a better option to buy the overpriced, pre-built version based on the material cost/time investment factor for an inexperienced woodworker like myself 😂🤣😂.
By the way, I was looking for your two cents on this topic for the last couple of weeks, so thanks! Hehehe
i love making stuff myself... i love the structure i have now but i feel like i could have made a better table than the pre-built one i bought for a lot of cash
I've solved one of your challenges... I live in the SF Bay Area. No snow! Seriously, I decided to make a cart for my Joe Jr. for utility and for fun. But sometime next year I intend to create a proper outdoor kitchen on my deck that will incorporate my smoker. I figured this would be a learning experience. This video helps accelerate that learning. I just checked out NatureKast and I think that's great option. They have a dealer down the street. So I'll be following your experience closely. BTW, I'm planning on using a range hood to keep the smoke off the house.
haha that’s a great way to solve the cold. I am adding some heaters and a ceiling fan to see if that solves the smoke or not
@s1rhcs1vad I will look into the ridge vent. Good idea thanks. No a reseller is doing the install for me
@s1rhcs1vad they had a team that does these things all day so I thought I would try one stress free 😂
@@SmokingDadBBQ I'm a big proponent of this approach, whenever possible. Time cannot ever be recovered, while money can always be earned.
Brilliant video
much appreciated
Looking great, lots of helpful information 👍
Hey Neil, thanks. Glad it was helpful!
love this channel, new to you but not to cooking. cant wait to see the finished studio
Thanks so much. Welcome aboard!
You deserve much more followers, views and likes.
Again great video!
I appreciate that! hopefully someday
Great tips! I’ve been thinking of doing the same. I’ll keep these tips in mind. Thank you!
best of luck
Looks great James!
thanks 🙏
It will be great having the prep area if, for nothing else, making it easier to keep an eye on the temp while you get the food ready. I tend to be slow in the prep, and there has been more than a couple of occasions that I needed to bring the kamado down by 100 degrees to start the cook! Also, I have to say that it is nice seeing a video that isn’t predominantly an advertisement (despite the product placement for the cabinets). I understand that it is a source of income and products, but I liked the channel more before it was primarily “Which is the absolute best product in the world: The Kamado Joe Dooflickey or the Kamado Joe Dooflickey III”.
thanks... sadly i am paying full pop for these cabinets. NatureKast didn't sponsor this video, me, or provide any of this kitchen at no cost..... but if you guys are reading this i would be more than happy to not make final payment lol
That will make your cold and wet weather cooks so much more comfortable. What about a ceiling fan for warm month(s).
i sure hope so.. adding a fan and two heaters for winter
#outdoorkitchengoals. Super nice! Can't wait to see the finished product
thanks so much
Well done James - very helpful. Long time viewer, first time commenter. I hope to work on my outdoor set up in the future after I complete a few other projects, but it may take me a while. In the meantime, do you have any recommendations for outdoor storage solutions that would be suitable to store the various Kamado Joe accessories, including larger items such as the JoeTisserie? This would be helpful as I am beginning to take up too much storage space in the kitchen, and I am also concerned about too much humidity for items stored under the Kamado grill and cover (such as pizza stone, deflector plates, etc.). Thank you in advance.
thanks for the comment and for checking out videos. outdoor storage is a life saver for sure. give yourself lots of different sized spots. i put all my half moons in pull out drawers under the joes.
you need a big space for the doejoe, joetisserie and the sloroller storage. when using those you need to store the D&C rack so definitely dont skimp on the space
Looks fantastic! Can't wait to see the full reveal.
Are you worried about smoke getting caught in the roof and/or staining it?
Also, what did you use to seal your concrete so it wouldn't stain? Did you have to redo that annually?
thanks Derek. the wood will be stained darker tone to help protect it … also will have a ceiling fan to try and move it out
We have created something similar in the UK and have used side panels which can roll up and down to all all year round cooking - I would like to show you a photo but don't seem to able do it via the comments section!
thanks for emailing. stunning work
Thanks for sharing, love the shirt btw!
Thanks for watching! Lol love my summer shirts lol
Ok… nice never never never build it out of wood 😀, just weld a rohr frame and powder coat it… it saves you a lot of mistakes. Do you have a drawing for de big green egg large for the hole in the table and the distance to the bottom?
The Barbeque setup is looking wonderful…
A question for you - is the door material on your new cabinets composite or wood? I am completing a table now and am about to start work on the doors in a week or two. I was planning on going with a board and batten style to accommodate seasonal wood movement, but I see you have a solid shaker style. If that is wood then I might switch…
Also if you ever want to cast your concrete countertop in place, I just finished using a system by concretecountertopsolutions which worked really well - my countertop was going to be pretty large/heavy so I thought it was going to be very challenging to move it to the table so I went with a cast in place option.
its a weather proof resin material
Very nice to see your projects! Someone mentioned and the garden furniture cover really saves the surfaces. I havent seen a sink and a tap, do you have it or water close by? I was looking to have my outdoor kitchen and my wife discovered one from Ikea which had a module with a sink, stainless steel top, structure all powder coated metal. So whenever in the garden, I just connect the garden hose and have water and a sink to wash hands and things. I connected the drain to the sewage pipe. I'm getting a portable induction cooktop, so the trips to the real kitchen are kept to a minimum. Thanks for all the tips and contents!
thanks, i skipped the sink to reduce things to attract animals and avoid freezing pipes outside of summer weather
@@SmokingDadBBQ good points! Tks for the reply!
Looking forward to the follow up video!
Re the air gap … are the little feet at the bottom of the stand-alone Big & Classic Joe enough or are you also recommending ANOTHER air gap beneath the tile/stone that the Joe’s sit on?
Same question! I’m on my third weekend of building a cart for my Joe Jr. and was only planning on using the ceramic feet.
thanks 🙏. I had no issue with the feet on a thicker ceramic 24x24 tile I believe it was from Home Depot.
I also went with thick supports under the thick tile but this allowed air in vs the tile on deck boards like my first few. no issues after many hot cooks
Man I am glad i saw this. I am building a backyard kitchen for my Joe Classic. The air gap is now something I am questioning. How do I get those small legs for the Joe. I will also need something for it to sit it on. Any suggestion on the material??
This is what i have to go under the joes - www.kamadojoe.com/collections/parts/products/red-ceramic-feet
Looks great!
Thanks!
James, it is not the right topic. But the latest. Is it possible to add Celsius temperature as tekst in the videos. I live in a metric country. 😉 further. Can you do a video on materials like the gloves you use. Or modifications etc. And other tools? Tx for your videos. Love them. Greetings from a Weber OTP57 and Grill Guru (modified) kamado. (Grill Guru is the B line of the Bastard Kamados from Holland.)
thanks and will do
Hey, I order my Joe Jr it finally came in today after 3 weeks. I had all my tools and accessories set up. I even bought prime steaks... while setting up the box and I lifted the cover..... the ceramic was in pieces, the bottom had broken off 💀😫😢
oh no! hope you don't need to wait long for a replacement for the shipping damage
Doing a design as part of a new house. Would you consider a sink in the table? Would love to be able to prep raw meat and wash hands right at the grill without going inside. Also for cleaning sooty fingers.
What's the minimum overhang you suggest for rain protection? Are you planning to need to refinish the overhang wood periodically (discolouration from soot)?
for me in canada the winter creates water problems with freezing so i skipped the sink even thought i agree it would be nice to have.
the overhang isn't that large but rain blows in depending on the wind direction and height... so while it might be under 1 foot overhang the safe space is 2-3ft under based on what is getting wet right now when it rains
i stained the top dark to help hide the smoke
@@SmokingDadBBQ thanks! I'm in Canada too, so not jazzed about blowing out pipes in the fall, but still considering it.
Looking good, can't wait to see the finished project. Quick question, what would you say is the minimum height ceiling above a Classic 3?
My old one was 8ft, more than enough to be safe and not stain but the smoke would get stuck a little at times.
Hi James,
Love you videos very well done!! Also new outdoor kitchen looks amazing. Quick question regarding your kamado placement.. what’s the reason you went with a full open slot vs jus a drop in through the counter style you had before? Is it just for future flexibility in changing the grill. Just seams harder to keep clean and less countertop for dropping stuff. Thanks.
i love the closed design, but lately it seems i have had the chance to play with more grills and I wanted the table to be able to accommodate different shapes and sizes without having to start all over again
Another great video James. Where will you put the Kettle Joe and the Pellet Joe? Does this mean they will not be part of The family?
i think the cottage and or garage and wheel out in the cart for occasional appearances
Looks great, did you have to add a mechanical exhaust to have the kamados running under the roof cover?
I didn't, trying a ceiling fan too see how that works
Hi James, cooking studio is looking great already. Do you plan to have some protection for your winter cookings ? And if so, how do you plan to deal with the smoke ?
I am adding some outdoor heaters for winter and a ceiling fan to move the smoke out. if that doesn’t work might need a hood vent
Have you ever used a ceramic heat deflector to sear what is the big difference between that or a soap stone
not for searing as its not antibacterial / non porus like the soapstone is
Thanks for this video, great information. Question: how has your pergola held up over the grill? Also, do you have a cover on the pergola, I'm noticing you're not getting wet when rain occurs?
the old pergola got me wet, this new one is still being built and covers me and the area completely so hopefully no more wet James or camera
What’s the cut out measurement for the big joe
New to the channel and loving the content from a fellow Canadian - thanks James! Just bought a Big Joe 2 w/o stand and looking to build a diy table similar to your version 3 - where can I find the plans or e-mail you? Thanks
hey fellow canuck, email me as i can't attach here
I'm very keen on building my own as well. Would you mind sharing your dimension and design?
Sure. Dm me on Ig or email so I can send
Thanks for the tips. How do you plan to tackle smoke extraction? I currently have a high pitched roof with open sides but on heavy smoke cooks (JoeTisserie) I have to roll it another area.
i am hoping our ceiling fan pushes it out ... fingers crossed
Great video and perfect timing for me as just about to start building my table! Are you going concrete on your new cabinets?
thinking granite this time as i found a good supplier / price
Off topic.. But I can't find a charcoal basket for the Joe Jr.
most stores will carry either the kick ash basket or the new kj one.... the kick ash basket looks to be available on their site
do you have dimensions for the bigjoe cabinetry. I'd like to mount one inside a new cabinet we are building for our outdoor kitchen but I want it to be at good working height. most of dimensions I'm seeing are for the classic and not for big joe. which is taller and deeper
i've made some educated guesses for this, hopefully they all work out... once we get them in the table ping me again and I will share the measurements if they worked properly lol
Many thanks another awesome video, im in the middle of having a BBQ area built, is there a recommended height for the roof above the kamdao joe as I worry about the heat and sparks causing damage or possibly a fire hazard
i went high to help smoke escape... my old pergola was 8 ft and the smoke got trapped but it was safe for sparks and heat
@@SmokingDadBBQ Thats great thank you James, I was getting a bit worried about the height I was aiming for when i got a warning from air traffic control
hey James, the cabinets are made from a material similar to Trex board for decking?
Looking great! I got my Joe Jr about a month ago and plan on just ordering a table. Do you think the ceramic feet KJ offers provide enough of an air gap to protect the wood?
they did on my last table so I plan to try the jr on them on the granite myself
How will you vent the smoke under your enclosure? Won't the smoke get trapped and eventually discolour the inside of the roof?
i am planning a fan and hoping the height with the fan is enough to clear it out
👍
thanks
What's up with Kamado Joe? Can't seem to find one in stock anywhere.
too popular it seems, sold out most places
What made you go from the green egg to a Kamado ?
this article is what pushed me over the cliff - www.engadget.com/2019-10-25-harvard-barbecue-desora-kamado-joe-cinder-grills.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNhLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGeKK72CgtiRMTuxs5veZWiYjWGnWKGnLSGOQaxGh9zb55h0z4c0X0ASVQhhl9KjBz8_Nd8xVL8JbgfuuQ4xWyKPr04iHp2_VERVFtjVgQpTnceWJ3oitAqMVkFkVz7A6UhkWl34cz-N8qWNKXzQkGqghyZhV1C1RGKeS9aFMLON
We built a wooden table for our classic. The table top is already smeared with grease and ash. 😭
same sad lesson i learned here
no pellet joe?
i can wheel others out of the garage when using but its nice being able to walk through the space without blocking all the space with grills that aren't in use and given its my least favourite for food flavour and cooking enjoyment it might be a while before it gets a chance at another appearance lol
Air gaps? Could you show us an exam0le of a air gap?
Under the joe you mean? This is just sitting on feet instead of the floor
how do you not have a pro Joe ?
i agree... it is almost a crime not too lol
@@SmokingDadBBQ its the one i'm looking at FYI they are discounted, hello from Ireland