@@jreut09 i dont think you can be THIS UNFATHOMABLY WRONG about a game without playing it. if you were watching youtubers of it, you would be getting a bunch of different takes and a lot of different info, you would be seeing how certain characters snuff others and how to work around certain matchups. the only way you can suck this hard is by playing the game, being bottom of the barrel, and then assuming that youre the best in the world and that your experiences of the game as a ken main are universal across the board regardless of player or character pick i DO NOT genuinely think you could be this wrong for free
The Ken downplayer: "Dragon lash kick is so negative on block lol" * is actually plus * The same Ken downplayer, probably: "Just press buttons faster and it changes the data of the game in realtime to disadvantage me, idiot lol"
It's not every day we get an impressively wrong youtube comment. Wrong enough for sajam to read on stream, dissect, and then post to youtube as well. What a heater.
Kens a pretty good character in my opinion. But he needs a couple of buffs to his jab, crouching mk, crouching mp, crouching hp, standing hp, standing hk, his fireball, his dp, his supers, damage needs to be buffed, I think Ken should have the medal system instead along with Jamies drinks, and they should give him blanka chan.
I don't know what's funnier, the dude who wrote the comment tripping hard balls on Ken or the Bloodborneesque Frenzy status ailment Sajam got by reading it
“Zangief is top ten because Snake Eyez is good.” As a gief main that blows my mind. Snake Eyez has been playing that character in various games for nearly a decade. It’s unreasonable for most players to reach where he is. Ken is really good in this game, but that doesn’t mean that Ken mains aren’t skillful.
In addition to playing Gief since forever, Snake Eyez is only so successful with Gief because he's practically the only pro who plays the character, so nobody has the machup experience to fully take advantage of Giefs weaknesses or deal with the few strong tools that he actually has.
He started playing SF4 which is a 200x's game. At this point it's been nearly 2 decades and it's clear the man is a true believer. The fact that anyone can ever say that Gief is good just because one man has committed fully to mastering him boggles the mind.
It does mean that Ken mains are less skillful, though. Because you don't have to develop your skills when the character you play just rewards most of what you do with him.
What makes dragonlash strong is not the actual properties of the move. You can easily punish it on reaction if you are looking for it. It's strong because it adds to mental stack. Because you have to dedicate some mental space to watch for dragonlash, you may not be able to react to the other strong options available to ken and vice versa. This is the same with most strong moves in sf6. Almost everything in the game has counterplay, but the more strong tools a character has, the more the opponent has to watch out for. TLDR Moves are strong not because of their properties, but because they add to mental stack.
Yeah he can Run over-head or DR grab, DR Fire Ball to standing heavy punch to Crouching medium to heavy tatsu- easy corner carry from mid screen I see Angrybird do this a lot. And the thing is he has Jinrai mix ups- can bait you to look for dragon lash and just crouching medium into DR combos- its crazy how much Ken can do off one hit
This game is about getting plus frames out of thin air and getting your opponent to the corner with one combo where he just dies from endless throw loops, that is about almost every top tier character gameplay this season
You know there are a lot of days where I feel like I don’t know enough about fighting games…then I see there are people like this who are confidently wrong to an almost impressive degree.
This guy is tripping but man, most of us Ken mains recognise how strong the character is. This is no average Ken man, it's a deluded and misinformed person with way too much confidence.
how would you know what the majority of ken players think, as opposed to the kens invested enough in the game to post in social media about vidya? EDIT: don't meant to sound disrespectful or snarky either, just questioning the methodology of posts like these in general
@@AkodakunI started the game playing JP. He manages to be simultaneously cringe and based. You can get pretty far by just good space control and knowing how to spike/ghost pressure but when JP cooks it looks so sick.
No, I think it's real, intermediate players usually are into some massive Dunning-Kruger effect cause they start to dominate the mechanics of the game and read a lot about frame data so they think they're better at understanding the game than they really are, they lack a lot of experience.
The thing that tilts me the most has to be "his normals are below average". The motherfucker literally doesn't have a SINGLE bad button. stHP is a downright war crime. How someone can confidently type that is anyone's guess. I'm betting that it's intentionally a bait.
A lot of the time I think what happens is people equate "character strength" with "how easy is it to win" so they pick up a character like Ken, spam Dragonlash and get DI'd 98% of the time and explode and then say "this character literally doesn't function". I wouldn't say it's because they're specifically inexperienced with this game but actually that they're inexperienced with fighting games in general so they don't understand what they're doing let alone what the opponent is doing
Are you sure it isn't the other way around? It feels like Sajam is Sisyphus and trying to educate the scrubs is pushing the boulder. Then the scrubs refuse to learn or new scrubs appear and the boulder rolls back down.
I still remember when everyone thought Manon was one of the most powerful characters in the game those first few weeks. It's funny how things change. If the devs had listened to the community she would have been nerfed and even weaker than she currently is. That's why I'm glad they're giving us a year before nerfing or buffing anyone
9:57 i love that sajam gives the invitation for people to actually think for themselves. Of course teaching other people tech is beneficial for the game, but if all you do is watch other people learn things for you it's hard to internalize the concepts behind the tech. Like I've definitely spammed and did a spacing trap on accident in sfv, but it didnt internalize the idea of using your moves at the end of your range until way later cause i never put myself in a position to figure it out on my own
As a Ken Main, I will never downplay what he's got. What I will say is that what matters is the person controlling Ken and if they know how to play Ken. That's it. Guy has a level of dillusion I've never seen lol.
This is why I respect JP players more than Ken players. JP players will either say "yeah he's broken lol" or give you actual matchup advice. Ken mains will look you dead in the eyes and tell you "yeah ken is balanced you just need to perfect parry everything, then perfectly read the drive impactable moves and it's the easiest matchup in the world, JP is the real problem, JP is literally a boss character, he's slightly unorthodox and therefore doesn't belong in streetfighter literally a guilty gear +r battle for the grid character smh hotfix nerf JP"
What I love about the "(insert character here) doesn't play street fighter" point is basically a thinly disguised "this character isn't a shoto" seeth As if street fighter 6 (as of now) needs an EVEN blander and more homogenize roster lmao
Oh 100%. As a JP player, my road to Master was full of apologizing to the screen. When I get opponent in the full screen blender of spikes, portals and ghosts I'm just like, welp I'm sorry it has to be this way. I wouldn't dare downplay how nonsensical it is that he has the best standing HP, the best AA normal, one of the best jump ins, for some reason they gave him an air throw. But Ken players really out here claiming poverty. They have no shame.
You're a good one, sajam. I dont know how you put up with it. And then seeing you lab and telling someone to figure it out, "chefs kiss". The amount of people I see that don't want to do is is crazy to me. Keep doing you, king.
i love people trying to downplay their own character, because god forbid if someone catches you playing a widely considered good character. the bottom tier OS is not that important guys
I got to the same rank before plateauing in mid Plat with both a high tier (Luke) and a low tier (Lily). It really is about the player and not the character. At the very least in this game, the universal mechanics are so much more important.
That person is a great example of someone that learns some frame data and starts making wild statements based on how something looks on paper and not in the context of all options during a match. Same type of person that complained about G having a "useless" 12 frame command grab in sf5 thinking you can always jab in time...only to watch Smug walk up to their face and scoop them while they are frozen like a deer in the headlights. It can be funny to watch them ramble nonsense though.
Every single person who has ever heard "Grabs lose to strikes" and starts going "how the hell do people get grabbed" seems to not understand that the simple rock paper scissors doesn't translate to juggling the whole game, sometimes you're stuck watching the entire rest of the screen waiting for The Bullshit to start, and then you're on the floor getting grab looped because you refuse to tech cause you keep expecting a tech-bait, and got caught by the first one
@@jahimalnar7978bruh I’ll take a spin that will actually go through fireballs properly even over DR sadly and fixing some other QoL stuff with her. Like, I’m so on point with them that I can spin on reaction to shotos but since slow fireball stuffs you it’s nearly pointless. I’m now at the point where I’m just posting and tagging capcom to just fix ish that’s been recorded in match. Legit last time I played non-ex Honda headbutt beat my EX-Spin…
@@Calhasnopals I'm an Aki main with some side Manon and Chun play and the wait for that patch is rough. I also played season 1 Jack-O in Strive when she felt like half a character, so I just have the best luck in choosing mains.
The commentors opinion feels like an on-paper analysis of Ken with a frame data tool up, not one with real labbing and sensible match playtime. "All his buttons are minus therefore he has bad pressure" [ignores spacing and general traps], "Jinrai is countered by doing this" [assuming they never do anything but the first frame version of everything], "Dragonlash is bad because all are punished except Heavy, which is interruptable" [vs a robot yeah, but not a human with a mental stack going on in real time], and so many more...
I think the player is legitimately gas lighting, and there's a way to tell because a person who gas lights will know that's true but specifically say instead that the opposite is true. For example he literally said that Ken has the worse fireball game and anti-airs in the game. Anybody that takes this statement seriously will end up so confused that they'll have to seriously consider if the NASA actually did fake the moon landing or not.
As a ken main, i can def say there have been at least a round or two where i didn’t land a combo, but killed the opponent anyway just because of landing some good spacing traps and rotating my options well on oki. A lot of ken’s tools aren’t unbeatable, but there’s just too many tools to keep in your head. Jinrai as well can just like do a ton of damage, auto spacing trap your opponent, and convert into supers and stuff. It’s basically just a super low risk rekka that can constantly stack damage.
...But let's think about that, Ken has: - Meterless side swap - Meterless corner carry - Meterless dash forward via Run + Emergency Stop - Throw loop in corner and Throw loop via Drive Rush - OD DP Reversal - Safe jump (two that I know of) - Drive Rush HP Frame Trap and Medium Jinrai Frame Trap - TWO super cancellable overhead attacks - OD Tatsu in the air (corner escape) - Heavy Dragonlash into jab link or throw - Many corner mix-ups that I won't even bother to list What he doesn't have: - Easy way to open up opponent - Projectile invincible Tatsu - Normal button overhead attack I'm looking at a character who seems pretty over-tuned, especially next to Luke and Ryu. 🤷 I don't hate people who play Ken, JP, Blanka, Cammy, etc, but don't insult other people's intelligence and pretend like your character doesn't have some bullshit built in. Every character has some bullshit built into them that's not fun to play against.
I disagree on the point where you said it hard to open people up with ken. I play cammy because she is the easiest and add to that a win with her feel a bit deserved because of her damage. I feel that ken is easier to use to open people up compared to cammy. Ken doesnt need to open people up he just burned you out and kill you in the corner. This can be considered a down play but theres no way cammy is better or on the same tier as ken.
I would say that you forgot a non-counter/punish jab to mediums link (crLP, stMP) that few have, but everyone has a meterless dash forward in, you know, forward dash. Where run~[choice] shines is in the options it gives that opens up new; pressure, oki, combos, damage, positioning... it even replaces his projectile ivinc-less Tatsu with a projectile invinc DP (not as useful but still there as an option)
Ken's tatsu may not dodge projectiles, but he still can go through them if he does the running DP at the right time and he can even punish the opponent with it for good damage if he's close.
Vid got me thinking again about spacing traps in Strive and I think my corner pressure with Sol is getting nastier. Once again, thank you for your service.
Got a new job and have been out of the loop and not playing for a couple of months. So glad I watched this. Laughed, learned, loved. Was inspired to play by the closing insult towards your chatter. So much fun. Who would have thought a job at a dispensary would led to so much of my work coming home with me
I always wonder what goes through someone's mind when they find out they were completely wrong about something that they said with absolute confidence. Is there any small fraction of self-reflection, or do they just continue to be that person?
Depends on the person, some have their worldview crumble around them and eventually reflect on it and others get defensive, say "fuck you" and get stuck in your ways. For the latter you can't help them, they have to realize on their own terms which may not ever actually happen but that's just how it goes
We all get tilted sometimes and make up dumb shit as to why it wasnt our fault and instead push the blame on the character *somehow* ... But this is advanced delusion.
It's shit like this why I try to spend as much time as I can playing as much of the cast as possible in a game. It's easy to get blinkered about your character and feel like everyone else just has it better when your only frame of reference comes exclusively from playing him and struggling. If you think everyone else's stuff is really good, it's better to actually just go try them out yourself. Most of the time, you'll start to realise the shortcomings of them pretty fast and learning how to more properly apply them gives you a better idea of the kinds of situations that character is looking for to create uneven odds. If you look for it or with some luck, playing against your usual main as well is doubling useful, because seeing the matchup from the other side shows you how a strong option impacts their play and what moves they use to beat your options. Sometimes it's better to just watch someone else figure the problem out for you.
didn't actually know how to do spacing traps or keep up pressure before this because a lot of my matches were spent in the corner or in neutral. I guess I know now.
This all reads as; "Doing special moves is hard and using drive gauge is harder." Just today I was playign a Ken who was doing great keep away fire ball into his Jinrai stuff when I got too close. (I play Marisa btw)
I remember reading this lmao. How out of pocket do you have to be to have the content creator make a completely separate video just for everyone to roast you
i play a tiny game called omega strikers and was chatting about the game's own "playbook" instructional resource in the official discord (namely how inaccurate & frequently blatantly false it is). i was discussing a newer character's ability and how it contrasts a base roster character's abilities in terms of function. then out of nowhere someone said, paraphrasing, "that new ability functions identically like an Orb." Orbs are a universal system mechanic, a neutral pickup granting resources. now, after the beginner level, the game's practice mode is almost worthless, and the custom lobby tool is rudimentary; despite that it didn't take more than five minutes for me to record & disprove everything they'd claimed. i can't even imagine why people do this, just fabricate meaning according to whims & vibes when raw data can simply be collected. i have to assume it's pure grinderbrain.
I like how this commenter says "yeah everything in Ken's kit is bad to slightly better than average" and then at the end of his sixth paragraph complaining about how everything the character has being either fake or bad ends with "he's 7th best in the game overall"
I seen similar ken delusion either on eventhubs or sonic sols channel. Something bout how everything is negative so you can parry and punish everything. I just looked at it, there’s a reason why it didn’t have a singular upvote
phew, when he was describing how absurdly wrong the comment was and how hard the guy simps for ken, i was worried one of my comments was going to get pulled up. i know they arent good takes, people, i just dont know how to not post them.
I just want to play against him. I wanna play against him and just see what he does. I'm not even that great, I'm just a plat Lily player. I just want to see.
Worst I have heard was on a FoxyGrampa video "Terminator beats Cetrion". Like dude was saying Terminator was a losing matchup for Cetrion as his excuse for losing. He was ADAMANT. Biggest scrub I have ever heard.
Nah. This whole thing is normal ass Ken downplay. The only thing I think is actually crazy here is bro saying my shoto with his srk has awful anti airs. That shit is legit funny as hell.
You know they lied about playing manon because there's no chance you type something like that up if you've experienced the difference in power between her and Ken
@@Uooooooooooooh but then even Ken at those levels spamming stuff is still a good character, all the way from bronze to diamond i've seen Ken's just trying stuff with no real intent, no combos or setups, and never change playstyle if you start to wait-and-punish their randomness.
Only explanation I can think off is that he played manon only in gold and below where no one knows how to properly deal with command grabs and her overhead special
Ken mains are 100% random up until diamond, where the probability drops to 50%. It then tapers off logarithmically alongside MR in masters but never reaches 0. Kim mains also follow this model
I've fought multiple +1500 MR ken's that don't understand how to use Jinrai setups and use the light(?) version that has a gap built in and completely lose it when i constantly jab them out of it. Love to see it.
Should be heavy version. Medium is a frame trap going into the shin kick and light is a true blockstring going into the shin kick. Heavy you can interrupt any move I believe.
I disagree with Sajam here. It actually costs at least 60$ to be this wrong about Ken.
I mean if you haven't played the game it's free
@@jreut09 i dont think you can be THIS UNFATHOMABLY WRONG about a game without playing it. if you were watching youtubers of it, you would be getting a bunch of different takes and a lot of different info, you would be seeing how certain characters snuff others and how to work around certain matchups. the only way you can suck this hard is by playing the game, being bottom of the barrel, and then assuming that youre the best in the world and that your experiences of the game as a ken main are universal across the board regardless of player or character pick
i DO NOT genuinely think you could be this wrong for free
@@thecountercounter9127 This is the most well thought out TH-cam reply I’ve ever seen lmao.
@@thecountercounter9127i like the sentiment but sadly think that you might be wrong about how people can get that wrong lol
Lollll
ken being divorced CLEARLY puts him in F tier
Only Ken downplay I'm willing to agree with.
it actually puts him in D tier. D for Divorced!
D tier for Divorced.
is he even divorced? He's just hiding. Like 2 blocks down in some construction yard
divorced from reality
"Spends more time typing bullshit about the game than playing the fucking game" has to be one of my least favorite genres of gamer
They’re one of my favorite types of players bc they keep my content creators posting
My favorite type of downplay is listing things that you can do to counter the strong tool while not acknowledging the context of why it is strong
The Ken downplayer: "Dragon lash kick is so negative on block lol"
* is actually plus *
The same Ken downplayer, probably: "Just press buttons faster and it changes the data of the game in realtime to disadvantage me, idiot lol"
@@Gamma0_0 Non-heavy dragonlash being minus is one of the few things correct about that comment though...
bloodrage though???
Right? 'Amnesia isn't good, just bait it and punish'
Nemo in a nutshell, and the same reason why majority of audience prefer to see Nemo lose
It's not every day we get an impressively wrong youtube comment. Wrong enough for sajam to read on stream, dissect, and then post to youtube as well. What a heater.
What drinking the downplay ken juice does to a mf
It’s why we watch Sajam
No, actually this basically happens every day
I see a crazy wrong TH-cam comment literally every day, tf are you taking about?
It is every day u get a wrong yt comment 💀
"His tatsu has good corner carry" is the understatement of the fucking century
He downplayed Ken accidentally while showing why he's better lol. Tatsu is insane
Is there even a move with better corner carry short of Marisa SA3?
Kens a pretty good character in my opinion. But he needs a couple of buffs to his jab, crouching mk, crouching mp, crouching hp, standing hp, standing hk, his fireball, his dp, his supers, damage needs to be buffed, I think Ken should have the medal system instead along with Jamies drinks, and they should give him blanka chan.
Sounds reasonable to me.
He needs it.
He has to keep drinks between rounds, because he obviously needs them
@@Nykryian He needs to start with full medals and full drinks, loses one when he taunts (so you get HEAVILY punished if you ever get cocky)
He needs his DP to be invincible on startup like SF4. Can't believe they nerfed him so bad, can't even let the man keep a proper Shoryuken.
When the content creator doesn't make a guide for your character yet so you make a set of comments so bad he responds with a character guide
It was all a ruse!
This mf playing 5deez chess
"I'm a silver 2, let me tell you about how the game works"
Patiently waiting for this guy to get mad about being called out, write an angry response, and get a pin of shame.
he's probably writing his comment as we speak
Given his last comment… it will likely take him a year to write his newest book! LOL
@@Smileface2144 Legends say he is still writing it to this day
@@ImAviex Still waiting for the response comment to drop, it's gonna be a banger.
Someone just heard the term negative frames for the first time and immediately assumed they knew everything about pressure and frame data
This kind of unhinged rambling is how "Grounded Footsies Guilty Gear" became a meme
This guy is from the future.
He’s on Season 3, when Ken finally gets gutted with nerfs. 🤣🙏
I think you cracked the code Friend! XD
I hope he doesn't become dog tier though, I really love his gameplay from an idea stand point.
I don't know what's funnier, the dude who wrote the comment tripping hard balls on Ken or the Bloodborneesque Frenzy status ailment Sajam got by reading it
This guy's got ZERO insight.
Bloodborne is overrated. Lies of P is better
@@JoeyCentraland without Bloodborne, Lies of P would have never existed
“Zangief is top ten because Snake Eyez is good.” As a gief main that blows my mind. Snake Eyez has been playing that character in various games for nearly a decade. It’s unreasonable for most players to reach where he is. Ken is really good in this game, but that doesn’t mean that Ken mains aren’t skillful.
Snake has been playing Gief for longer than that! Since the SFIV days.
In addition to playing Gief since forever, Snake Eyez is only so successful with Gief because he's practically the only pro who plays the character, so nobody has the machup experience to fully take advantage of Giefs weaknesses or deal with the few strong tools that he actually has.
@@AllFlashNoDashsince the HDR days.
He started playing SF4 which is a 200x's game. At this point it's been nearly 2 decades and it's clear the man is a true believer. The fact that anyone can ever say that Gief is good just because one man has committed fully to mastering him boggles the mind.
It does mean that Ken mains are less skillful, though. Because you don't have to develop your skills when the character you play just rewards most of what you do with him.
What makes dragonlash strong is not the actual properties of the move. You can easily punish it on reaction if you are looking for it. It's strong because it adds to mental stack. Because you have to dedicate some mental space to watch for dragonlash, you may not be able to react to the other strong options available to ken and vice versa. This is the same with most strong moves in sf6. Almost everything in the game has counterplay, but the more strong tools a character has, the more the opponent has to watch out for. TLDR Moves are strong not because of their properties, but because they add to mental stack.
That's pretty much why so many pro players said SFVI is too hard, ain't it?
Why zangief is a lot more weaker than other characters is due to his multiple options usually being able to be countered the same way
Yeah he can Run over-head or DR grab, DR Fire Ball to standing heavy punch to Crouching medium to heavy tatsu- easy corner carry from mid screen I see Angrybird do this a lot.
And the thing is he has Jinrai mix ups- can bait you to look for dragon lash and just crouching medium into DR combos- its crazy how much Ken can do off one hit
This game is about getting plus frames out of thin air and getting your opponent to the corner with one combo where he just dies from endless throw loops, that is about almost every top tier character gameplay this season
You know there are a lot of days where I feel like I don’t know enough about fighting games…then I see there are people like this who are confidently wrong to an almost impressive degree.
I find the people who know the least are the ones that say the most.
This guy is tripping but man, most of us Ken mains recognise how strong the character is. This is no average Ken man, it's a deluded and misinformed person with way too much confidence.
yup. I suck at fighting games and I know I only reached Master because I Ken'd it through
@@yamagvchi damn I'm maining Ken and still at dia 2. Guess I'm extra bad huh.
it could be that you don't have nearly the amount of matches I do, trust me@@lot8113
how would you know what the majority of ken players think, as opposed to the kens invested enough in the game to post in social media about vidya?
EDIT: don't meant to sound disrespectful or snarky either, just questioning the methodology of posts like these in general
Dunning Kruger strikes again lmao. If you don’t know what you don’t know you assume you know everything.
"Ken's pokes are bad and can't be special canceled"
My man can't even down-forward fireball.
"your character is OP"
Ken Players: "Nooo you just don't understand the game!!"
JP Players: "Yes"
JP is cracked but i cant help but be impressed with some of his combos/mixups
@@AkodakunI started the game playing JP. He manages to be simultaneously cringe and based. You can get pretty far by just good space control and knowing how to spike/ghost pressure but when JP cooks it looks so sick.
@@Akodakun he's got sause for sure
@@AkodakunThe setup for instant overhead in the corner is saucy af. Makes Master players lose their marbles.
JP Players don't really care about wether you don't like them, and that's really funny.
This has to be a troll lol. This is like getting every question wrong on the SATs. What are the odds of all his points being so perfectly terrible?
Can't be real
No, I think it's real, intermediate players usually are into some massive Dunning-Kruger effect cause they start to dominate the mechanics of the game and read a lot about frame data so they think they're better at understanding the game than they really are, they lack a lot of experience.
@@KusanagiMotoko100yeah they’re probably a Platinum/Diamond player.
@@massterwushu9699everything up to master is just drive rush fighter 6 with some "im gonna whiff a heavy button and use DI" flavour
The thing that tilts me the most has to be "his normals are below average". The motherfucker literally doesn't have a SINGLE bad button. stHP is a downright war crime. How someone can confidently type that is anyone's guess. I'm betting that it's intentionally a bait.
nah average players just type random shit after they find out what frame data is, I was there at one point when I played other fighting games
We are seeing the myth of Sisyphus play out in Sajam's comment section now. Ken is the boulder, Ken mains are Sisyphus, and Sajam is Hades.
One must imagine Ken mains happy
A lot of the time I think what happens is people equate "character strength" with "how easy is it to win" so they pick up a character like Ken, spam Dragonlash and get DI'd 98% of the time and explode and then say "this character literally doesn't function". I wouldn't say it's because they're specifically inexperienced with this game but actually that they're inexperienced with fighting games in general so they don't understand what they're doing let alone what the opponent is doing
Are you sure it isn't the other way around? It feels like Sajam is Sisyphus and trying to educate the scrubs is pushing the boulder. Then the scrubs refuse to learn or new scrubs appear and the boulder rolls back down.
My brain is still stuck on “Manon is Top 10”, and I main this lady 😂
Remember week one and the internet thinking Manon was good. Then we learned about drive reversal and how to uppercut drive rush cancels
I still remember when everyone thought Manon was one of the most powerful characters in the game those first few weeks. It's funny how things change. If the devs had listened to the community she would have been nerfed and even weaker than she currently is. That's why I'm glad they're giving us a year before nerfing or buffing anyone
Nah man, a year is still too long. 6 months imo is the sweet spot
Idk man good Manon players can really mess you up.
@@ADreamingTraveleri have the game for a little more then a month but i dont get how can manon be that bad with these kind of buttons
Ken is a crypto guy. There’s nothing that could possibly be more damning about him
Ken on the run in this game after the NFT incident
9:57 i love that sajam gives the invitation for people to actually think for themselves. Of course teaching other people tech is beneficial for the game, but if all you do is watch other people learn things for you it's hard to internalize the concepts behind the tech. Like I've definitely spammed and did a spacing trap on accident in sfv, but it didnt internalize the idea of using your moves at the end of your range until way later cause i never put myself in a position to figure it out on my own
Ken mains are sensing the nerfs and are downplaying to try and stop it. I had a chuckle at AngryBird's recent 25min video downplaying Ken
There’s no point to it anyway. All the Ken mains will jump to Akuma once Ken is nerfed anyway
9:58 "Hit me with a Guile option"
"No. You go into training mode and find one." Holy shit, Sajam.
Then in true Sajam fashion, he explains one and then demonstrates it
As a Ken Main, I will never downplay what he's got. What I will say is that what matters is the person controlling Ken and if they know how to play Ken. That's it.
Guy has a level of dillusion I've never seen lol.
I main Ken as well and it's like, yeah man. He's amazing. And I love playing as him. But let's not act like he's not Top 3 at minimum
This is why I respect JP players more than Ken players. JP players will either say "yeah he's broken lol" or give you actual matchup advice. Ken mains will look you dead in the eyes and tell you "yeah ken is balanced you just need to perfect parry everything, then perfectly read the drive impactable moves and it's the easiest matchup in the world, JP is the real problem, JP is literally a boss character, he's slightly unorthodox and therefore doesn't belong in streetfighter literally a guilty gear +r battle for the grid character smh hotfix nerf JP"
What I love about the "(insert character here) doesn't play street fighter" point is basically a thinly disguised "this character isn't a shoto" seeth
As if street fighter 6 (as of now) needs an EVEN blander and more homogenize roster lmao
Oh 100%. As a JP player, my road to Master was full of apologizing to the screen. When I get opponent in the full screen blender of spikes, portals and ghosts I'm just like, welp I'm sorry it has to be this way. I wouldn't dare downplay how nonsensical it is that he has the best standing HP, the best AA normal, one of the best jump ins, for some reason they gave him an air throw.
But Ken players really out here claiming poverty. They have no shame.
@@Saint.CosmosI always get caught off guard by JPs and Guiles air grabs😂
I think I’ve seen JP air throw someone like twice since the game came out
@@doctordice2doctordice210 I'll never fully understand how a character playing the game differently is a bad thing.
You're a good one, sajam. I dont know how you put up with it.
And then seeing you lab and telling someone to figure it out, "chefs kiss". The amount of people I see that don't want to do is is crazy to me.
Keep doing you, king.
You're a nice guy not making his name public. But the rest of us in the dark ages demand blood. SHAME!SHAME!SHAME!
i love people trying to downplay their own character, because god forbid if someone catches you playing a widely considered good character.
the bottom tier OS is not that important guys
I got to the same rank before plateauing in mid Plat with both a high tier (Luke) and a low tier (Lily). It really is about the player and not the character. At the very least in this game, the universal mechanics are so much more important.
I swear, "Bottom Tier OS" HAS to be my favorite term.
Tiers dont matter on platinum
Its simple, If I'm playing Ken he sucks, if I'm against ken he is OP.
I like how half of the ken downplay is just "This guy should play ryu then"
That person is a great example of someone that learns some frame data and starts making wild statements based on how something looks on paper and not in the context of all options during a match. Same type of person that complained about G having a "useless" 12 frame command grab in sf5 thinking you can always jab in time...only to watch Smug walk up to their face and scoop them while they are frozen like a deer in the headlights. It can be funny to watch them ramble nonsense though.
Every single person who has ever heard "Grabs lose to strikes" and starts going "how the hell do people get grabbed" seems to not understand that the simple rock paper scissors doesn't translate to juggling the whole game, sometimes you're stuck watching the entire rest of the screen waiting for The Bullshit to start, and then you're on the floor getting grab looped because you refuse to tech cause you keep expecting a tech-bait, and got caught by the first one
I got no stake in the Ken game, but it is my duty as a Manon/Aki player to proclaim my pain any chance I get
Please for the love of God Capcom, a DR thats at least a little bit better please. And fix that damn spin!
- Manon main
I second your sentiments as a fellow Manon/AKI main
@@jahimalnar7978bruh I’ll take a spin that will actually go through fireballs properly even over DR sadly and fixing some other QoL stuff with her. Like, I’m so on point with them that I can spin on reaction to shotos but since slow fireball stuffs you it’s nearly pointless.
I’m now at the point where I’m just posting and tagging capcom to just fix ish that’s been recorded in match. Legit last time I played non-ex Honda headbutt beat my EX-Spin…
We’re gonna make it through to next patch, brothers. Stand strong
@@Calhasnopals I'm an Aki main with some side Manon and Chun play and the wait for that patch is rough. I also played season 1 Jack-O in Strive when she felt like half a character, so I just have the best luck in choosing mains.
The "How to stay in bronze with Ken" guide in SF6...LMAO
You know from how hard the downplay was that he mained ky in ggst
Damn I need ppl to downplay my characters like this
The commentors opinion feels like an on-paper analysis of Ken with a frame data tool up, not one with real labbing and sensible match playtime.
"All his buttons are minus therefore he has bad pressure" [ignores spacing and general traps],
"Jinrai is countered by doing this" [assuming they never do anything but the first frame version of everything],
"Dragonlash is bad because all are punished except Heavy, which is interruptable" [vs a robot yeah, but not a human with a mental stack going on in real time],
and so many more...
Thanks I hate that I had to hear this. Us ken players are never going to beat the allegations are we.
I think the player is legitimately gas lighting, and there's a way to tell because a person who gas lights will know that's true but specifically say instead that the opposite is true.
For example he literally said that Ken has the worse fireball game and anti-airs in the game.
Anybody that takes this statement seriously will end up so confused that they'll have to seriously consider if the NASA actually did fake the moon landing or not.
As a ken main, i can def say there have been at least a round or two where i didn’t land a combo, but killed the opponent anyway just because of landing some good spacing traps and rotating my options well on oki. A lot of ken’s tools aren’t unbeatable, but there’s just too many tools to keep in your head. Jinrai as well can just like do a ton of damage, auto spacing trap your opponent, and convert into supers and stuff. It’s basically just a super low risk rekka that can constantly stack damage.
From the same banger comment section that gave you "JP's ex counter loses to command grabs":
...But let's think about that, Ken has:
- Meterless side swap
- Meterless corner carry
- Meterless dash forward via Run + Emergency Stop
- Throw loop in corner and Throw loop via Drive Rush
- OD DP Reversal
- Safe jump (two that I know of)
- Drive Rush HP Frame Trap and Medium Jinrai Frame Trap
- TWO super cancellable overhead attacks
- OD Tatsu in the air (corner escape)
- Heavy Dragonlash into jab link or throw
- Many corner mix-ups that I won't even bother to list
What he doesn't have:
- Easy way to open up opponent
- Projectile invincible Tatsu
- Normal button overhead attack
I'm looking at a character who seems pretty over-tuned, especially next to Luke and Ryu. 🤷 I don't hate people who play Ken, JP, Blanka, Cammy, etc, but don't insult other people's intelligence and pretend like your character doesn't have some bullshit built in. Every character has some bullshit built into them that's not fun to play against.
I disagree on the point where you said it hard to open people up with ken. I play cammy because she is the easiest and add to that a win with her feel a bit deserved because of her damage. I feel that ken is easier to use to open people up compared to cammy.
Ken doesnt need to open people up he just burned you out and kill you in the corner.
This can be considered a down play but theres no way cammy is better or on the same tier as ken.
I would say that you forgot a non-counter/punish jab to mediums link (crLP, stMP) that few have, but everyone has a meterless dash forward in, you know, forward dash. Where run~[choice] shines is in the options it gives that opens up new; pressure, oki, combos, damage, positioning... it even replaces his projectile ivinc-less Tatsu with a projectile invinc DP (not as useful but still there as an option)
@somerand3711 I mostly meant from neutral. If Ken has you burned out, waking up from a knockdown, or in a corner, consider your existence miserable 😂
Ken's tatsu may not dodge projectiles, but he still can go through them if he does the running DP at the right time and he can even punish the opponent with it for good damage if he's close.
Y’all Ken Mains better gatekeep that man 😂😂😂. Ban him from talking until he can prove all that he’s saying
Vid got me thinking again about spacing traps in Strive and I think my corner pressure with Sol is getting nastier. Once again, thank you for your service.
Got a new job and have been out of the loop and not playing for a couple of months.
So glad I watched this. Laughed, learned, loved. Was inspired to play by the closing insult towards your chatter. So much fun.
Who would have thought a job at a dispensary would led to so much of my work coming home with me
word brother
I always wonder what goes through someone's mind when they find out they were completely wrong about something that they said with absolute confidence. Is there any small fraction of self-reflection, or do they just continue to be that person?
Depends on the person, some have their worldview crumble around them and eventually reflect on it and others get defensive, say "fuck you" and get stuck in your ways. For the latter you can't help them, they have to realize on their own terms which may not ever actually happen but that's just how it goes
I like the people who double down, they’re funnier
We all get tilted sometimes and make up dumb shit as to why it wasnt our fault and instead push the blame on the character *somehow* ... But this is advanced delusion.
2 other Ken players*
Ken Player Alpha likes their own post due to how to right they are.
I'd love to see this person's tier list.
"it doesnt cost this person any money to type these things"
Yeah maybe in some cases it should 😂
It's shit like this why I try to spend as much time as I can playing as much of the cast as possible in a game. It's easy to get blinkered about your character and feel like everyone else just has it better when your only frame of reference comes exclusively from playing him and struggling. If you think everyone else's stuff is really good, it's better to actually just go try them out yourself. Most of the time, you'll start to realise the shortcomings of them pretty fast and learning how to more properly apply them gives you a better idea of the kinds of situations that character is looking for to create uneven odds. If you look for it or with some luck, playing against your usual main as well is doubling useful, because seeing the matchup from the other side shows you how a strong option impacts their play and what moves they use to beat your options. Sometimes it's better to just watch someone else figure the problem out for you.
"As a content creator you love comments like this. You know why?"
Because its free content. Infinite content glitch.
didn't actually know how to do spacing traps or keep up pressure before this because a lot of my matches were spent in the corner or in neutral. I guess I know now.
This all reads as; "Doing special moves is hard and using drive gauge is harder." Just today I was playign a Ken who was doing great keep away fire ball into his Jinrai stuff when I got too close. (I play Marisa btw)
I summon that one Millia player that is in every comment section ever talking how terrible Millia is. Or that one Ky player that does the same thing
🙏🙏
Thanks sajam now I don’t even need to play a ken player to be angry
I remember reading this lmao. How out of pocket do you have to be to have the content creator make a completely separate video just for everyone to roast you
It’s a level of dedication to being wrong that one has to eventually respect.
What video was this on?
Part of me wants to play Ken now just to feel how wrong this guy is. Sure I've played against Ken enough to know, but I want to feel the power.
Need to scrub this guys replays vs Ken. He's got all this locked so far down that he should be 100% vs ken, right?
I want you to post more bits like this if you run into Jiyuna this shit is hilarious.
When you think about it Giefs level 2 is a terrible anit air but other than that he's OP
😂
The kinda person who hopes Capcom reads their words so Ken gets a buff instead of a nerf.
Ken's so bad he won EVO. 😔
Bro wrote a 9 page dissertation and was unhinged on the 2nd sentence
R.I.P. Ray Liotta, known for his roles in Cocaine Bear, Chantix ad, and Sajam thumbnail. he will be sorely missed😢
Next time I'm getting hit by s.hp half screen away I just need to remember how trash Kens normals are
Wake up DP needs full invul and 3 seconds of super armor after landing.
I've never seen someone be wrong THIS confidently. Bro has spent 5 mins in training mode and thinks he's a lab monster.
How lost in the proverbial sauce do you have to be to get to this point this is craaaazy
It’s secretly AngryBird, he thought he could fool us.
This isn't your average everyday Ken main. This is... ADVANCED KEN MAIN
i play a tiny game called omega strikers and was chatting about the game's own "playbook" instructional resource in the official discord (namely how inaccurate & frequently blatantly false it is). i was discussing a newer character's ability and how it contrasts a base roster character's abilities in terms of function. then out of nowhere someone said, paraphrasing, "that new ability functions identically like an Orb." Orbs are a universal system mechanic, a neutral pickup granting resources.
now, after the beginner level, the game's practice mode is almost worthless, and the custom lobby tool is rudimentary; despite that it didn't take more than five minutes for me to record & disprove everything they'd claimed. i can't even imagine why people do this, just fabricate meaning according to whims & vibes when raw data can simply be collected. i have to assume it's pure grinderbrain.
This comment it's like the same level of absurdity of that "ground based footsies guilty gear is known for"
05:10 That this post has any likes, much less 3, makes it borderline Chapter Black material for anyone foolish enough to still have faith in humanity.
I like how this commenter says "yeah everything in Ken's kit is bad to slightly better than average" and then at the end of his sixth paragraph complaining about how everything the character has being either fake or bad ends with "he's 7th best in the game overall"
Why can't people just acknowledge they play a good character and keep it moving. You're not a better or worse person for your character choices.
I seen similar ken delusion either on eventhubs or sonic sols channel. Something bout how everything is negative so you can parry and punish everything. I just looked at it, there’s a reason why it didn’t have a singular upvote
phew, when he was describing how absurdly wrong the comment was and how hard the guy simps for ken, i was worried one of my comments was going to get pulled up. i know they arent good takes, people, i just dont know how to not post them.
I just want to play against him. I wanna play against him and just see what he does. I'm not even that great, I'm just a plat Lily player. I just want to see.
Worst I have heard was on a FoxyGrampa video "Terminator beats Cetrion". Like dude was saying Terminator was a losing matchup for Cetrion as his excuse for losing. He was ADAMANT. Biggest scrub I have ever heard.
Even if this is bait it's still just as bad someone would type this much out as "bait"
The fact you used Jamie to prove your point against Ken makes me sad as a Jamie main. But... On point.
sajam thumbnail excellence as always
Once again brothers, we join in a viewing of Sajam explaining wish punishing and spacing traps
Nah. This whole thing is normal ass Ken downplay. The only thing I think is actually crazy here is bro saying my shoto with his srk has awful anti airs. That shit is legit funny as hell.
I want this to be some sort of act so this guy could get a full video made of him.
That has to be AI generated. No way it's real.
I want this guy to FT10 Sajam. Defend your honor Ken main
But he's gonna lose and just get reinforced on his ego.
Say you suck with your main without saying you suck with your main
Sajam confirmed to only own one shirt. He simply dyes or bleaches it depending on his mood.
This is the type of shit I tell myself to feel better about spamming Jinrai and Dragonlash
"Imagine writing all this" Some of us can type at nearly 200 WPM, the sad thing is that's probably one of like five rants he wrote in that hour ALONE
That whole whole thread reeks of damp basement and hot pockets.
Wait, this is a youtube comment? Not a thread or blog post?? Holy crap man. Way to be the latest example of TLDR
Top 10 really doesn't mean much in a game with rn 20 characters.
"Trust me bro, they're at least barely mid tier."
You know they lied about playing manon because there's no chance you type something like that up if you've experienced the difference in power between her and Ken
If he's playing on a really low level the difference doesn't really matter
@@Uooooooooooooh but then even Ken at those levels spamming stuff is still a good character, all the way from bronze to diamond i've seen Ken's just trying stuff with no real intent, no combos or setups, and never change playstyle if you start to wait-and-punish their randomness.
Only explanation I can think off is that he played manon only in gold and below where no one knows how to properly deal with command grabs and her overhead special
Ken mains are 100% random up until diamond, where the probability drops to 50%. It then tapers off logarithmically alongside MR in masters but never reaches 0.
Kim mains also follow this model
I've fought multiple +1500 MR ken's that don't understand how to use Jinrai setups and use the light(?) version that has a gap built in and completely lose it when i constantly jab them out of it.
Love to see it.
Should be heavy version. Medium is a frame trap going into the shin kick and light is a true blockstring going into the shin kick. Heavy you can interrupt any move I believe.
@@seph13xLight has a gap between the hits, Heavy has a gap before the hit