Birankai Aikido & Iaido: 1994 Summer Camp - Part 4
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- 1994 USAF-WR Summer Camp, Part 4
This is part 4 of 4. It contains demonstrations given by:
W.I. Shibata, Shihan
T.K. Chiba, Shihan
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I was assistant to K Chiba Sensei 1967 to 1972 in the UK, this video brought back a lot of memories, and a wince or two :-) - K Chiba Sensei a very powerful exponent of Aikido as a martial art. I recommend the new factual book bio of Chiba Sensei's life by Liese Klien - " The Life - Giving Sword " .
I was a student of Brian Burrows in the West Midlands from 2000-2010, do you/did you know him??
Wow.. Thanks for publishing this video... I was there... it was in Hayward, California. The first 2 Ukes of Shibata Sensei are Jim Hauer and JD Sandoval. Seeing Chiba Sensei and Shibata Sensei performing Kimusi no Tachi was very impressive. It doesn't transmit in video, but the room was filled with vibrant energy. As for the "hateful comment about how AIkido is not useful in a street fight", my answer is that it's useful in life. It will give one some body structure, the proper balance between inner tension and outer relaxation. Between presence and fluidity. Between being totally present in the instant, yet utterly free in life. And as accessory yes it can be useful in street situations (not just fights). Aikido is an art of living, while streetfighting is an art of surviving. Of course, it's important to survive. But if one gets obsessed with the idea of surviving, one can live a miserable life. So many people will use the argument "you can't live if you don't survive" as an alibi to live a shoddy, miserable life. It is key to confront our fears, and go beyond the mere survival, and face real LIFE: what do we want to accomplish in this incarnation? are we here merely to "not die too soon", or to accomplish something greater ? THIS is what Aikido has taught me, thanks in great part these 2 gentlemen.
Perfectly said... many classes and seminars with both these fine men over a decade. Power and grace embodied. Indeed.
Very useful in life, for sure, but bot to use for selfsefence
@@andymichels4525
Against what? Atomic bombs??
Aikido is perfect for self defense!
@@andymichels4525
Against what, atomic bombs?
Aikido is perfect for self defense!
@@andymichels4525 Ah ah ah... I would not wanted to be the guy(s) who attacked Chiba Sensei or Shibata sensei in the street. Actually, just thinking about it puts a big smile on my face :D
Love this legendary Sensei
Thanks for the video.
1:27 incredible uke !
And thank you for their names Chris.
Jim was one of the senior student when I arrived in Berkeley dojo. he was already SanDan, and one of the few that could take Ukemi for Shibata Sensei (who had just arrived from Japan 2 months before :) ). As for JD, I remember his first class, it must have been spring or summer of 1990. We practiced together, I was first Kyu (myself just arrived from France a few months before). JD and I both had a judo background, so right away our practice was rather "spirited" :) . He is a strong man....
I remember training with these guys back ing the late 80's and early 90's they were like running into a steam train. Now imagine when they were lteaching in the 60-and 70's they were like caged tigers
Nice Video. The Good Old Aiki where sometimes blood would be spattered on the mat (tatami) or broken bones dislocated joints if one is not careful. Therefore only higher students ranks could take ukemi. I remember Takagi Sensei and Yamada Sensei also. Aiki can be as soft or as hard one wants it. Yet the Soft overcomes the Hard. What is shown as Chiba Sensei (and Shibata Sensei) has elucidated the strength is an undenial element of Budo. Of course not only physically but mentally spiritually. As far as the Self Defense using Aikido one thing is for sure. Even late Aikido practitioners who learned some techniques don't know what Aikido is and is not. There is no need to prove anything. There is no need for competition not even within the Self.
From another Aiki 50+ years beginner practitioner.
What a faulty philosophy and therein lies the issue with aikido. It is a dancing art and not a martial art at all. Based on what you said and what we've seen.
Personally I think wrestling is superior on all aspects but I'm a proud westerner who could care less about adopting eastern mystic voodoo shit.
@@theognostosyios9343 No I may be young (21)but I'm no fool. My understanding is based on empiricism, what allowed the west to develop and conquer the world.
I was not taught aikido was shit. It was the conclusion I came to on my own. I do not need someone else to form a conclusion. I studied aikido and kung fu for a bit as a kid so I do have experience. Kung fu isn't as bad as long as it's full contact sanda style. My issue was with aikido. I was a first year wrestler. They couldn't handle my single legs at all
I don't believe that either. Hercules and all that. It's a cool childrens story and what not but martial arts come from human nature and exploration. Only so many ways to break another human. And since it's in our nature to destroy each other yet desire peace like hypocritical idiots, martial arts developed.
I don't care for the history argument, especially when voodoo is mixed in. It's interesting but not enough to care. What matters is the present.
@@theognostosyios9343 Of course, American gunslinging is one of the best marital arts.
I call utter bs. Why do we love war so much? When it comes down to survival we will become despicable creatures. But that's human nature. You gotta learn to control it.
Ok see that's the difference. I'm not into martial arts for philosophy. I'm in it purely for Fitness, passion, self defense and to be a fighter a better man. It's why I'm an engineering student. To be Better.
We have a fundamental difference in viewpoint. Competition with oneself to be better than you were the day before is the most important aspect. That's self development to me. How can I help others if I can't help myself?
Of course teaching is important. but there's a flaw in your logic though, contradiction.
You say in order to know wrestling I must teach it. In order to teach wrestling I must wrestle. In order to wrestle I must compete to better myself. That is fundamental to submission grappling. It's how reach higher levels. Overcoming obstacles.
I trained many times with Chiba Sensei in the 1970s, and he was as hard as nails. Yet as sweet and gentle off the mat as you could wish. I loved his sessions.
@@hawaiianshirtracer There is something about the old timers true... tough as nails yet gentle. I remember also the late Takagi Sensei in AZ. Very nice person. Also Ulisses"pop" Winn of Goju where I gave an Aiki demonstration way back and 'kept the peace' in Riviera Beach at his annual open martial arts event and taught once the little children at the Riviera Beach Commmunity Center. Interesting at the end $1000 to whoever winns irrespective of art or weight class. Where? At stage center circle of the basketball court. The good old days....bikers walked in...anyone off the street plus all the martial artist...but the peace was kept.
Many of the principles cross all arts , "Eighty-five percent of the kids in my karate classes aren't here to learn karate. They're here to learn discipline," says Ulysses "Pop" Winn, who estimates he has taught karate to about 30,000 Palm Beach County children since 1965. "And by learning discipline, they can learn karate."
A very strong instructor!
@@devopsengineer8993 This is not correct
This is a REAL aikido!
lol. rolling on the floor right now! Bro, aikido has many styles lets apreciate that because each can pick its own style according to your character and temperament and expectations and what you are trying to achieve.
As long as the concepts and attitude and posture are correct, you always make "real" aikido, fast, slow, hard, soft, as a way of selfdefense, or as a way of harmonizing oneself spiritually, its ALL REAL. Aikido is diversity, there is not ONE real aikido style.
Good stuff. It's important to incorporate some at speed/with force/IRL Aikido at least from time to time because it's a rock tumbler for your practice.
Understanding Aikido is one’s own development and conditioning, should a situation arise where defence would be required maybe psychologically and psychologically one would survive. 🙏
These comments 'I would like to see how these guys do against a jujitsu guy' are simply ridiculous. I doubt the likes of Chiba would make a distinction between what he does and Jujutsu. They are, in essence, the same art but with a few techniques removed or modified. Most of the Japanese greats were also superb Judoka or held Dan grades in the likes of Karate. BJJ and Aikido should not be spoken of in the same sentence - the former is a sport; the latter a martial art
knelmes01 I agree you can’t compare... although I will say, if you are classing you’re art as a martial art, then you need to know that it is effective in real combat. Aikido sadly isn’t and doesn’t work in real life. It’s beautiful to watch, and no doubt these people have trained for years but in any real world scenario these guys would get absolutely mauled.
I love watching these videos and especially ones of O Sensei because it reminds me of an era where I wasn’t any wiser to real fighting and thought that you could use a kotegaeshi legitimately... I think any Aikido practitioner should ask a Person of another art to throw them a real punch/kick and see if their techniques work.
Bruce Kai
Your absolutely right that it probably would not work against a highly skilled MMA guy, but Aikido will work on the streets against most attackers. First of all most attackers are not skilled martial artist. Most skilled martial artists are decent people and aren’t our there hurting people. Street thugs and would be attackers aren’t disciplined to take classes 3 to 6 times a week that’s why they’re out there attacking and robbing people because they’re too lazy to be skilled martial artist. This is becoming an old argument and it’s really apples and oranges because Aikidoka
generally are never going to encounter skilled MMA guys. By your logic and I’m not taking a shot at you, I’m just saying that comparing the two arts would be like comparing MMA to a man with a gun, the MMA guy is not going to win against a man with a gun just as the Aikido guy is not going to win against the MMA guy.
Great sword technique...the mushin.musubi, semei, metsuke, awase etc its all there in it
Were they taking ukemi on the hardwood of a basketball court?!
素晴らしいと思うが、今でもこの合気道が継続されて続けられているのか？
Just to take note. They are doing it directly on the wooden floor. No mats.
Btw they are using mats,you can see them at min 5:20
@@MrSonOze oh thank god
They're tashes are as terrifying as the voracity of they're technique
For all the naysayers. Try Aikido for a few months.
I tried it for 30 years. It's 95% bullshit.
@@baldieman64 30 years? Lol Why did it take you that long to come up with that conclusion? I've personally used it and worked for me. Aikido is very misunderstood. It was never designed to be a one all system. It was an alternate way or approach. Ueshiba preferred advanced students. To use it with what they knew. It is based on context but the pain compliance is there if things escalate. It is most effective during the escalation phase before a fight and when your opponent gets tired after scrapping a little bit. Their guard is down some. Aikido works with other systems. I do kickboxing and Kali. I can get the throws and locks after a nice combo.
@@JoseFuentes-fn3dl I've employed the locks on the street many times too, but the locks are not Aikido. The same locks are present in FMA, in JJJ, in Silat and in hundreds of other systems.
What makes Aikido, Aikido is the training methods and applications that we see practised on the mat, and while I've applied joint manipulations following a boxing combination, from trapping and from vertical grappling, I have never once applied it in a way that remotely resembles Aikido practice.
Everything useful that Aikido has can be found elsewhere in a more functional form.
I've trained with people like Ralph Reynolds, Donovan Waite and André Nocquet and of those, André Nocquet was by far the most effective but none of them taught anything other than techniques against "traditional" attacks (that are considered training tools for children in other systems), even when teaching classes of high level black belts.
Most people are youtube experts , there are also some who actually train aikido for a while but simply didnt get it, and or, trained in a not so good dojo with a not so good teacher, probably a teacher who misrepresent the "harmony" and stuff like that.
truth is, there ARE dojos that misrepresent aikido. thats why, try and train in various dojos.
@@baldieman64 bwahahaha! he trained 30 years and than discovered its all bullshit. yeah right. there is defenitely a lot of bullshit here but it aint Aikido, bro.
You don't get it Ryan. Aikido kata assumes weapons and multiple opponents. Yes a lot of aikido can seem soft. But look to the kata. You can't get stopped when confronted by numbers and weapons.
A lot of morons claiming aikido is not useful without knowing anything. First go and take ukemi from these instructors then talk. True there are plenty of weaker Instructors out there. Yes it’s sad to see. Not all Instructors are the same. Which is why this is good to see on TH-cam. Aikido interpreted and done right. Covered a few different martial arts last time, I think I’d fall back on aikido if things gets hairy. Easier to break arm.
Yes, but it is a legitimate critique of the art when you have instructors who have been studying for 15+ years who are still bad instructors. My problem is with the "taking ukemi". What is considered good ukemi seems to be uke attacking in such a way that they unbalance themselves by the manner of their attack. You can see in this video that uke is leaning over when grabbing for the wrist. They supposedly have a stable base, but their feet are too far apart in a completely unrealistic manner. The is an artificial effect where uke attacks and does not take the natural movements to correct their balance, but rather follows through (presumably to give energy) further unbalancing themselves.
If you have ever been to a seminar with the high ranking instructors have you not ever noticed a kind of hypnosis that they employ? I have seen it enough that looks almost like a scripted to me.
1. Grab my wrist
2. Sensei shows wrong way with no effect
3. Sensei adjusts, but uke doesn't adjust to the new distance or angle so now uke is already off balanced to grab
4. Grab my wrist again (uke is preprogrammed from prior training and respect to instructor to expect the technique to work)
5. Wow, like magic the uke is defeated sometimes even before touching the sensei.
I wonder, is there any video of them doing this to a jujitsu guy? That would be interesting t say the least.
Lmfao. Doesn't exist. A bjjer who has a blue belt and properly learns wrestling shuts this shit down with ease.
@@rye-bread5236 No, l see that you can't know what l have in mind since it seems you're soaked brain washed by bjj propaganda (yeah you can't believe it). Aikido and all systems have the potential to be great defense arts, it's their way of training that's wrong.
@@7outofthebox747 bullshit
Bjj propaganda? Lmfao you're an idiot. There's objective truth in being single legged, mounted then choked. I'm not saying it's complete alone. Wrestling + bjj is the best mix. It's what I'm trying to do.
@@7outofthebox747 aikido has very little potential compared to boxing or wrestling for self defense.
@@rye-bread5236
"bullshit", "you're an idiot"
Former Aikido black belt here and I can tell you he would get dropped and choked out by any MMA guy with 6 months under his belt.
Yondan here who trained lots of successful BJJ students in Aikido and MMA. I very much doubt it. Chiba would rip their arms off. Remember Chiba was a a very strong judoka before he set foot in Hombu.
I always tell people if i want to fight an mma athlete in a sportsfight with mma rules, i would train mma and not aikido. also, if i want to win a tennis game, i wouldnt train badminton.
gee bro, whats your point of comparing sports fights like mma with budo...
うーん。
Do you think Ueshiba Sensei could really dodge bullets?
I don't think so. So here are the possible explanations I can think of:
1. The event never happened and was completely made up.
2. There was a prearranged agreement that the riflemen would not shoot Ueshiba or would shoot blanks.
3. The riflemen did not want to kill Ueshiba so they purposely aimed away to avoid hitting him (without Ueshiba knowing). So, since Ueshiba did not know they did not try and kill, he fooled himself thinking his technique kept him from getting shot.
4. The riflemen did not want to kill Ueshiba so they unknowingly aimed away to avoid hitting him. e.g. "They were good uke."
So many attacks in Aikido, like on this video, look like number 4. The Uke is almost hypnotized into attacking in such a way they are already off balance before they attack. Yes, I agree there is a definite skill involved with executing the technique properly. But, when even an untrained person could have easily responded to the same attack with a simple punch to the face, it seems there is something lacking.
Only problem is that the bullet impacts were found behind where he was standing.
Jose Fuentes
I don’t for a second doubt O’sensei’s ability to defend or use his many years of training in different arts and the fact that he trained his body and mind in ways that most modern men do not. I do think that perhaps some of the folk lore grew over time out of people’s passion for the art. I do believe in supernatural acts in this world, but I also understand how human behavior can change history.
Just some thoughts.
@@jeffwalters1749 By supernatural events do you mean biblical type miracles or psychic / ghost type phenomenon, like remote viewing and levitation? Do you think it is possible for aikido students to learn these supernatural feats?
@@JoseFuentes-fn3dl Why is that a problem? Is it a problem that you can see the woman in the box wiggle her feet before she is cut in half?
This is not the founders aikido techniques full of openings no basic form just hurting ukes and arrogant attitude ....
What odd dancing and performance. The outfits were cute though.
Dancing?
A Killer master like him, in front of you, run fast man! Just run! The master is a murder!
Alexandre Alves dude this master would get stomped in a real fight relax
@@nimbusxd91
Hahahahah, of course not!
He was very, very fast. His movements were very sharp and precise. Nobody could touch him.
@@nimbusxd91 real fight. bwahahaha! you look too much Hollywood movies.
did "the cute outfits" give you a hard one? ^_^