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Really woud like a look on freedom of press on the non-fascist axis members, so how much did the press talk about Axis War Effort in like Bulgaria or Finland? How effective was the censorship in Italy, with a rather weak government?
so how do you like your treatment at the hands of a nanny organization that thinks it knows better then you what information you should, and should not posses?
+History of Revolutions Now we have more censorship than ever since WW2! I loaded up a video about Joe Biden Silicon Valley and the Wallstreet administration the US has. My account was threatened to be terminated! The same happened with my Pilots for 911 truth video. What is taking place now is when politicians can take away our freedom of speech about the Corona Virus or the Biden administration and several other sensitive object for the "Woke" political leadership. This makes me think about the 30s and Italian and German Fascists and Nazis?
@Jerry ג'רי אסרמן I think you're making connections that don't exist. Though, given the "911 truth" thing, I'm go with this a trend with you lol. Still, no matter how insane and... Wrong your ideas are, you are right in that no one should censor you unless you are outright advocating for violence. In this case, public platform laws exist for a reason. It doesn't sound like you are advocating for violence though, so I say believe what you wanna believe man :)
@@Patrick_3751 Stalin was advertised as "Uncle Joe". I think simply "Joe" was a bit too common a name in the Anglo-Saxon world to be equated with Iosif Vissarionovich even in those days, though.
When I think "Allied censorship", I almost blackout with frustration, so speak for yourself! I think of the hundreds of men executed by the allies for being "cowards". The butchers.
@@mad_max21 Way more democratic than a lot of places that call themselves democracies though. Then there’s the argument over majority decision making over pluralistic agreement decision making.
The problem was the way some valid wartime secrets were retained long past the time the end of the war removed justification for the classification ended. Enigma/Ultra was a secret worth keeping. On the other hand, the Slapton Sands devacle was kept secret long after the threat to D-Day disclosure would pose was past, likely to protect the reputtions of commanders involved.
There's a rather sad story from my grandmother, who was only 4 years old when the war broke out. Her father was in the British Army (I am unsure exactly which role or regiment), and as a result he would move around the country and took his wife and daughter with him. Of course, they weren't to stay anywhere near major cities due to the threat of bombing. I recall her saying she lived near the west coast of Wales for a time. Due to censorship at the time, he wasn't allowed to tell his family exactly why this was, or even where he was to be deployed. My grandmother only received a handful of clues- one being the terrain of the area suggested training for mountain combat, and that once he was shipped overseas (1942 or '43, I believe), she remembers receiving an oriental scarf or shawl of sorts as a gift. This possibly suggest either the Middle East or North Afica. This brings me to the saddest part- when he returned from duty circa 1946, he contracted an illness or fever of somekind, meaning he was frequently hospitalised. He passed away in 1948, meaning not only did my grandmother not get to know her father, but still does not know to this day the full story of his experiences overseas, as a lot of information remained restricted even after the war.
She chooses the wardrobes, but the lads have a say in it. In fact, she procures all of their on-camera clothes, which in Sparty's case is the same things as 'his clothes.'
Two points: 1) There are famous stories of baseball announcers during the war saying things like, "I can't tell you what the weather is like today, but that ain't sweat the players are wiping off their faces" or "If you want to know why the game isnt under way right now, stick your head out the window". 2) I'm a little surprised that this episode did not at least touch on the ways in which WW2 censorship built on earlier efforts during WW1, or how in some cases we are still living with the fallout. In the USA, it is axiomatic that "you can't shout 'fire' in a crowded theater". This actually comes from censorship efforts during WW1 and a case titled Schenck v. United States (1919). Charles Schenck was the General Se rotary of the Socialust Party in Philadelphia. In 1917 he had been arrested for overseeing the printing and mailing of fliers urging men not to register for the draft on the grounds it was involuntary servitude (slavery) prohibited by the 13th amendment to the US Constitution. The eventual Supreme Court decision, by Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., held that "The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic". While the 1969 Brandemburg decision tempered the logic of Schenck, Schenck is still a binding precedent and Americans still have to put up with people who disagree with them telling them they "can't yell fire in a crowded theater".
@@dr.lyleevans6915 no, obligatory "I'm not a lawyer". It's more of a pet peeve, both the way the common understanding leaves out important elements of the decision and how many people agree with the principle but would be horrified by the actual case.
Seeing those books burn breaks my heart. Saddest thing is that we're still burning books, cancelling authors and denying them a market to sell their work.
In the Korean War the Americans did not introduce press censorship until well into 1951, perhaps because it was officially a "police action". A former Chinese military intelligence officer told Max Hastings that at first they found out a lot of useful information just by reading the American press.
@@Shadowman4710 An interesting conflict. Union and Confederate troops sometimes met up between the lines, exchanging items (the Union troops had more food, the Confederates had more tobacco and the sides traded them). They sometimes also exchanged newspapers.
During the Falklands campaign in the 80's the British press seemed to be leaking details to Argentinan air force that some of the bombs they were dropping on British warships weren't going off .It's been suggested the Argentinan air force soon made sure that bombs were properly armed before any misson took place.
@@chrisholland7367 dont forget BBC World Service announced on the radio that the British were poised to attack Darwin and Goose Green before they took place as supposedly surprise assaults
Well written and presented, sir! Since the 1970's, one of those posters would have to be modified, as it was in the National Lampoon: Loose lips win Pulitzer Prizes.
Yeah, I reckon that it's fair to apply censorship during wartime. I can't excuse soldiers dying just so some people on the home-front can feel better about knowing they're being told the truth.
@@potato88872 You really don't though, you give as much as you can, but there is nothing soft about it. If your civilian population can get it, so can the enemy.
@@Marinealver I don't reckon this censorship is intentional. TH-cam is in waaaaaaay too deep to personally look through it's videos, the algorithim is what does this. Regardless. I don't think a simple viewer discretion as is usually the case, counts for censorship. I think there should be an effort to make sure videos like this is watched only by appropriate audiences. I wouldn't want my nieces watching any of this. Keep in mind that there are kids on this network.
During the war my father found that reading the newspapers, with some knowledge of geography, revealed the troop movements to the various theaters, as well as all major convoys. The press just could not stop dropping hints.
In the last years of the war, it was a private joke among the German public that anyone with a map could figure out that the series of decisive German victories over the Allies that Dr. Joseph Goebbels excitedly announced always occurred closer and closer to Berlin.
@@DavidKutzler It was hard to conceal the fact that they were losing the war. When the Volkssturm was created in late 1944, one of its soldiers reflected that at the start of the year reports covered fighting in places with unpronounceable Russian names, often still in the vicinity of Leningrad, whereas now the ground war was coming to Germany.
This most famously occurred in the Crimean War; the London Times reported on British (and some Russian) movements so quickly and accurately that it was easier for the Tsar to read the newspaper than military reports. The British Parliament was unimpressed.
@@danghostman2814 Telegraph lines made that possible - very quickly. But there was not yet a functioning line across the Atlantic at the time of the American Civil War, and there was still something like a four-day delay at least between events in the war and the European press reporting it.
It was fiction although written by a WW2 combat veteran, but the character Will Knott in "A Midnight Clear" mentions writing to his sister to hint that his unit has entered Germany by asking her to give his love to "Gertrude, Moe and Jack". His sister understood the hint. The unit censor did not.
Rule of thumb to follow when getting “creative” with the truth: (1) All lies have an expiration date, and (2) you better have a good reason for lying, for that reason will come to light as well.
My Grandfather worked for the Canadian censorship office (can't recall the proper name) at the time. He remembers one time having to tell a company they couldn't publish an ad for bananas. He had no idea why, only knew that it wasn't allowed. (my speculation is that it may have given away information about when a ship was arriving, but that's all I've got).
I read once that MI 6 had a spy in Paris, an elderly lady, whose only job was to check the price of produce, especially oranges, at the grocery store. Oranges grow in the South of France but not around Paris. She passed the information to her handler, who radioed it to London. MI 6 knew that when the price of oranges fell, the Germans had reestablished road and rail communication with the South of France by fixing all the bombed bridges and rail yards. MI 6 would then inform the Air Ministry that it was time to bomb those targets again.. I was impressed with what information can be deduced from seemingly trivial information.
@@BuickDoc It's a matter of deducing a second, unknown fact purely from a known fact - something we humans are remarkably and perhaps uniquely good at. For example: Barbed wire couldn't be seen in reconnaissance photographs, making it difficult to spot areas that the enemy had fenced off for military reasons, but of course no-one cut the grass *under* the barbed wire so it threw a darker shadow which *could* be seen.
A shout out to the Polish pastor who ran the Canadian police out of his church yesterday and told them not to come back without a warrant. Civil Rights must never be surrendered to unjust authority no matter what excuse is given. Whether Free Speech or guarantee of property rights there is no emergency great enough to eliminate the bedrock of a free society.
During WW1 all mention of the flu pandemic in the warring nations was censored. The respective governments didn't want to alert the enemy to the problems they were having with troops incapacitated through illness, Spain however was neutral, and so the press there had no such restriction. So the only news of the pandemic came from Spain, and that's why, despite the pandemic affecting large swathes of Europe, it became known as 'Spanish Flu'.
George orwell worked in the ministry of information iirc, which inspired his novel 1984. He was quite unhappy that his anti-soviet writings were censored because soviets were an ally...
Once the war was over he had no trouble getting "Animal Farm" published. It was a wartime measure only. By the time "1984" came out the Cold War was well under way and the book was often seen as purely anti-USSR with no wider significance.
It likely has to do with my naval service, but I find operational security more important than freedom of the press in times of war. However, I understand the course that such actions can set and am grateful for reporters and other members of the industry.
08:03 "By and large, the press refrains from reporting on FACTUAL information that might harm the war effort". ...true, especially nowadays that the war on humanity is in full swing!
Related to topic, Germans did actually outright forbid listening Finnish radio in Estonia (and Baltics in general) during the war. Reason being that Finnish radio and newspapers was "relatively" open when it came to news from abroad, information that was not necessarily favourable to Germans.
An excellent, thoughtful and nuanced presentation. A ‘special’ on wartime posters and cartoons would be interesting covering, for example, the work of Games and the cartoons of Vicky and Low.
One of my favourite stories was the created of the “New York crossword puzzles” was detained in 1944 until they knew he didn’t know anything and wasn’t trying to send messages because in the puzzles for the week of June 1 had the answers Omaha Juno Sword Gold. It turned out to be a coincidence.
A small Trotskyist group in Britain was raided by the police in 1941 or 1942. Their newspapers and leaflets were neatly stacked in their office, and a policeman said the office was tidier than most places they raided, although that actually made confiscating their publications easier.
“Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare.” Churchill actually hand-picked many of the “mavericks” who engaged in special operations behind enemy lines, using all the tricks of the trade (and inventing some new ones along the way), with all the ruthlessness and dirty tactics that the more squeamish would abhor. Yet such tactics and methods are credited with shortening the war. Churchill admired all sorts of innovation and was a practitioner himself (the idea of the battle tank during the First World War being just one of many such examples).
Brazil was authoritarian during World War 2. But still, the perception was that the allies were fighting for democracy. It is no coincidence that keeping the authoritarian regime in place after the war became impossible, since (as said at the time) the troops went to fight for democracy in Europe but they'd come back to dictatorship at home. That's a strong part of why the Dictator at the time was pressured into resigning in 1945, being replaced by a short-lived unstable democracy which would survive (against many coup attempts) until 1964.
Neutral Turkey's press was also censored (the first multi-party elections were only held after the war there). In the earlier part of the war the Turkish press often published Axis-friendly items and incidentally also some anti-Semitic cartoons and articles. This changed after 1943 and coverage tended to become more pro-Allied.
“ Silence Speeds Victory “ is actually a terrifying slogan when used by the wrong people, and this episode couldn’t come at a more appropriate time. Keep up the exceptional work fellas.
@@randomlyentertaining8287 that power does not exist in reality. There are always second, third and so on order consequences for the exercise of power.
Wartime censorship in of itself is, perhaps distasteful, it is I think necessary. Though I think the extent of such should always be eyed carefully and not slip from security to oppression.
From a security stand point the press needs to be monitored. What a reporter thinks is unimportant might be the a big piece of the puzzle. Reporting on major mistakes gives the enemy in site into what is taking place. Keep the enemy guessing.
Spartacus seems to be aging very well like a fine wine. He seems like a man of good taste and well knowledgeable about past and current events. I would really enjoy sitting down with Spartacus and have a drink of Single Malt Scotch and a Cohivas Cigar and pick his brain. It would be a conversation of a lifetime.
My mother who was a little girl during the war, would always say “loose lips sink ships”. Then again she grew up in Brooklyn not far from the navy yard.
Censorship can take many forms. During the first part of the war, my grandfather (who was a veteran of the CFA during the Great War) worked for Civil Defense in Tacoma, WA. He was a voice on the radio providing news and bulletins for his office. When the news came down about the plans for the internment of Japanese Americans, he felt it was a betrayal of our country's ideals of the highest order. He spoke out publicly on his radio broadcast against this policy. I don't know how many times, but as a result, he was fired.
Wartime censorship did some interesting things. Here in Florida, there was a Signal Corps training camp that specialized in radar maintenance. There was no effort to hide the camp's existence, merely what the training there entailed. I was surprised that when ships were torpedoed off the Florida East Coast in early 1942 the newspapers gave it front page coverage and even named the ships attacked, albeit with some lag in the reporting and I'm sure some details left out that would have otherwise been given. In contrast, in late 1943 there was a deadly collision between two oil tankers, also off Florida. A local newspaper article from shortly after the incident covered it in great length, but never mentioned the name of either ship.
The “loose ships sinks ships “ was during what was the battle of the Atlantic second happy time , after Germany declared war , German U-boats began sinking ships off the us coast , the American stubbornness to put convoys in place , and the lack of a coastal blackout along the coast made not easier by some states such as North Carolina stating that it would ruin the tourist trade. Made for the costliest part of the battle of the Atlantic in which if the pace continued , would have meant that Britain could be starved into submission. Australian press was censored too , the newspapers often protested by leaving a lot of blank sections on their newspaper.
Now coming to think of it , the Queensland government banned the famous world war 2 Australia poster in which it depicts a Japanese soldier with a rifle and a fixed bayonet about to step onto Australia with the caption “he’s coming south “ for being to scary to the Australian people
And the most famous one was an article in a American newspaper or magazine, it was about how ineffective Japanese depth charges where or how deep American submarines could go to evade depth charges. Admiral Lockwood later said that he believed that hundreds of lives were lost as a result of the leak and the Japanese changes to their depth charges
Newspaper and radio reporting weather forecats can have an effect many people today totally miss: agricultural output. Farmers are highly dependent on weather. Starting a harvest, only to see the rain start to pour down can be very bad. It can even lead to a failed crop - specially with things like hay, or grains. And if your hay harvest is in tatters, you may be forced to slaughter some of your animals, such as cows. Wish, in turn, lead to lower output of things like cheese for the shops. That in turn is bad, since most people has to eat. And cheese in particular was seen as a good source for protein. Same chain of event can effect lots of other agricultural things. In short - farmers need weather forecats. Before there was such a thing, failed crops was more common. And starvation, malnutrition etcetera was more common.
Why? what government is trying to censor them? By definition censorship must be between a state actor and a private citizen. Whatever you think of youtube's actions, IT IS NOT CENSORSHIP
@@tando6266 Lol at the semantics. Not-censorship by the giant tech companies can be near as effective as government censorship considering their near monopoly power over social media platforms. We also have Leftists who want to ostracize anyone with Right wing views from society or introduce "hate speech" laws like they have in Europe.
@@tando6266 There is no real alternative to TH-cam. They can't simply go to another private company. It's like if, in the past, there was only one newspaper. So it is pretty much equivalent to censorship. Governments are not the only ones who can weild enormous power and oppress people.
@@agentorange6085 Both the webster and oxford dictionaries. Censorship is conducted by a censor, who is defined as an official. While not explicitly excluding private citizens from being sensors there are no current accepted examples of a private individual acting as a sensor. Sorry if actually looking up definitions gets in the way of your fox newsing
Admiral Earnest King, who ran the US Navy during WWII, was furious when three days after our victory at Midway he read an article in the Washington Times-Herald, which had originated in the Chicago Tribune, that claimed we had advance warning of the Japanese plan. It even included a list of the Japaneses ships involved in that epic battle. King rightfully feared if this news reached the Japanese, they would change their signal codes and set our decoding efforts back years. And he wasn't alone in his thinking. FDR was so infuriated by the information leak that he wanted to send Marines to secure the Tribune Tower building and arrest its publisher, Robert McCormick. Cooler heads prevailed, and while the subsequent investigation led to a grand jury investigation, the jury threw out the indictments against the Tribune and its reporter and editor for the story after Navy Secretary Frank Knox refused to allow Navy cryptanalysts to testify. This action effectively nullified the case because these were the only men able to explain and confirm exactly what damage had been done to military operations. Without their testimony, the entire matter was rendered mute. At the time this no doubt perplexed those involved in the case, but Knox was acting on the prudent advice of Admiral King, who had just learned the Japanese had not changed their codes after Midway. This meant they were not aware we had broken them, therefore any public trial would greatly increase the chances of the Japanese discovering the underpinning reason why they were ambushed at Midway. It was far better for the war effort to let sleeping dogs lie. Admiral King, well known for his vindictive nature, had to settle for scuttling the promising career of the Lexington's executive officer, Commander Morton Seligman, the man he mostly blamed for the security lapse. War claims all kinds of victims.
During the war my great aunt worked in US naval intelligence monitoring Portuguese newspapers. Her group discovered that some Portuguese merchant sailors were supplying information about allied convoys crossing from New York to the UK. The sailor would sign up for a ship, then after learning its time of departure and destination he would post an advertisement in a Portuguese newspaper for employment on a ship back to Portugal. The ad would include a port and a date of availability which would tell German naval attaches at the Portuguese embassy the port and date the convoy was arriving in the UK. The wording of the ad would tell them whether the convoy was fast or slow. From this data the Germans would be able to deploy wolf packs to intercept the convoy, In response to this spy ring the merchant marine changed the way they hired sailors. When merchant sailors presented for employment they would be housed incommunicado in barracks until their ships sailed.
I read years ago, some years before President or government official, congress etc. Said something along the way, saying the Constitution is not a suicide pact.
"Unfortunately, the deficiencies of Japanese depth-charge tactics were revealed in a June 1943 press conference held by U.S. Congressman Andrew J. May, a member of the House Military Affairs Committee who had visited the Pacific theater and received many confidential intelligence and operational briefings. At the press conference, May revealed that American submarines had a high survivability because Japanese depth charges were fused to explode at too shallow a depth, typically 100 feet (because Japanese forces believed U.S. subs did not normally exceed this depth). Various press associations sent this story over their wires, and many newspapers, including one in Honolulu, thoughtlessly published it. Soon enemy depth charges were rearmed to explode at a more effective depth of 250 feet. Vice Admiral Charles A. Lockwood, commander of the U.S. submarine fleet in the Pacific, later estimated that May's revelation cost the navy as many as ten submarines and 800 crewmen." From Wikipedia's article on Anti-submarine weapons.
I understand that the British still use "D" notices for extreme threats to political body. . It's short term and gets the media very worked up. It may have been used during the Purfumo Affair
D notices still exist. A protest camp I was living on in the 1990's was evicted violently by bailiffs. The press were there watching but could not report what they were witnessing as they had been slapped with a D notice. It was described as 'not in the public interest' to release the facts of the eviction. Interestingly, it was never used on any later eviction, sources state there had been a 'backlash' from the press, the police, some bailiffs and of course the protestors.
Technically D-Notices were DA Notices. The A being for advisory. Which is supposed to highlight their non mandatory nature. Now they're called something like Defence and Security Media Advisory Notices. There are a number of 'standing' ones. They cover things like movement of nuclear weapons (you can report on the fact, but not give routes or times). The govt can also issue notices for specific matters. However I used to do pre publication advice for some national newspapers and I never saw one.
on the beginning I was miss Nigel but after time I realized Spartacus has got charismatic personality, he smashes opinion he great man too greetings from Poland
Of all of the long term effects that the USA suffered as a result of WW2, the thrusting of the SCOTUS into such a massive and unintended position of importance in the political landscape is perhaps one of the most damaging. The constant fight of FDRs administration to circumvent and ignore the Constitution and the rights of the citizens of the United States coupled with the explosion of media reach into homes has made the SCOTUS into something it was never intended to be. A small group of lifetime appointed royalty who determine the laws of the land. Congress and the Senate have handed over too much of their responsibility and authority to SCOTUS, going to them hat in hand every time the Constitution needs defending.
theres an old saying that says "in war, the only sin is losing." while losing is still bad for whatever side youre on, i dont know that such absolutes can be applied in time if war.
"During war, the truth must be protected by a bodyguard of lies." I don't remember who originally said that, but if you really think about it, it is true. When the truth (which is withheld) may give your enemy an advantage, the lie (which is publicized) may deprive him of that advantage. Think of the "ghost army" assembled opposite Pas de Calais prior to D-Day to convince the Germans the invasion would be there instead of Normandy. That "lie" was so effective that even after the landings began in Normandy, the Germans kept several divisions at Pas de Calais because they believed Normandy to be a diversion. How effective would that "ghost army" have been in tying down those German divisions if the news media had been allowed to tell the people about the inflatable rubber tanks and trucks dotting the countryside in northern England? Censorship to protect a political movement/regime during peacetime is reprehensible, but censorship to protect military security during a time of war is a distasteful but necessary act.
The later recipiant of the Nobel prize, and at the time physics researcher for the Manhattan proyect Richard Feynmann tested the limits of the censors by using weird mathematic calculations that he found interesting. The censors also though that a list of items his wife had requested for him to bring when he went back home were a code message and removed it from the letter, which caused a small argument when he came back from the proyect.
I found some of my grandfather's letters to my grandmother's, and some of it was censored and some of it wasn't most of it was asking about my mom and her family!! He just complained about the cold weather...... And not having enough to eat! The one letter that was censored was a funny story about a day he was ferrying troops to the rear when he herd a bang on the side of his truck and a big fat Sargeant gut out and a French woman was waiting for him... The town and road had been censored but the rest of the story had me in laughing.....! Like the suit but it doesn't go with the tie!!! It reminds of of the zuit suits of the 40's and 50's we to go sparky
"Prevent the truth from getting out," thought a good description of censorship is incomplete in my opinion. "Any form of suppression towards a person openly and expressing their views, standpoints, or findings" is more apt as the censorship of opinions and dissenting views though not as relevant to historical topics is very much relevant now. I am also interested in hearing stories of those that ran afoul of US/UK censors and refused to back down not exactly in keeping with WaH but to an extent as Freedom of Expression Speach and the Press are human rights spotlighting examples of the "good guys" the allied nations violating these rights should occur in one way shape for form
Yes, they had mechanical TVs since the late 20s and analog ones since the mid 30s, they were just expensive and very rare, and there was not a huge amount of programming for them at the time, so they weren’t really completely worth it yet.
That is correct - at least not publicly. Limited, classified weather reports were made available to those who needed them, like farmers, but only after they had been vetted.
Fascinating the degree of the video focused on the U.S. that was in the war the shortest period and arguably was the least censorious, and only apply a very cursory discussion about British programs. They were the most threatened by the Axis the longest, and their measures were justifiably the most extreme. I mean, really, take a millisecond and talk about opening letters in Bermuda. www.bermudastamps.co.uk/info/imperial-censorship/
Censorship is a phenomenon of all ages. Those in power sometimes don't want certain voices to be heard for a variety of reasons. While this episode is about political and military censorship, we ourselves are still dealing with another kind of censorship today. Economic, political and PR reasons to demonetize or age-restrict our videos are being conflated with 'safety' and 'harm' of 'certain audiences'. We adamantly object to the restriction of fact-based history for the sake of business and public image. This is why it's so important that we're able to remain independent. We have full editorial control of our content, and we won't surrender our mission to publish factual, unbiased and unsanitized documentaries. Our TimeGhost Army is the main reason why we have been able to remain independent and unwavering. Join the TGA at www.patreon.com/timeghosthistory or timeghost.tv
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It must be odd considering how youtube treats your own content. Thanks for all the work
Really woud like a look on freedom of press on the non-fascist axis members, so how much did the press talk about Axis War Effort in like Bulgaria or Finland? How effective was the censorship in Italy, with a rather weak government?
so how do you like your treatment at the hands of a nanny organization that thinks it knows better then you what information you should, and should not posses?
did i say that out loud? censor plz
C.S Lewis once wrote:
"True humility is not thinking less of yourself; it is thinking of yourself less"
+History of Revolutions Now we have more censorship than ever since WW2! I loaded up a video about Joe Biden Silicon Valley and the Wallstreet administration the US has. My account was threatened to be terminated! The same happened with my Pilots for 911 truth video. What is taking place now is when politicians can take away our freedom of speech about the Corona Virus or the Biden administration and several other sensitive object for the "Woke" political leadership. This makes me think about the 30s and Italian and German Fascists and Nazis?
@@drjerry5389 lmao what
Would have been nice to get a World War 2 Special on him
@@drjerry5389
a.) You almost have a point, but...
b.) What the fu-
@Jerry ג'רי אסרמן I think you're making connections that don't exist. Though, given the "911 truth" thing, I'm go with this a trend with you lol.
Still, no matter how insane and... Wrong your ideas are, you are right in that no one should censor you unless you are outright advocating for violence. In this case, public platform laws exist for a reason. It doesn't sound like you are advocating for violence though, so I say believe what you wanna believe man :)
3:04 Speaking of censorship, someone seems to be trying to censor Spartacus.
Ironic that they chose to censor the word "clear".
If the British cannot discuss weather reports, thst would be 85% of daily conversation
Nah, we talk about the weather, not weather reports - which are a sort of closing comment at best.
Do you mean you talk about how crap the weather is 85% of the time. 🇭🇲
@@corporalpunishment1133 british weather is great tbh. no inferno's, almost no floods.
@@corporalpunishment1133 It is normally the first topic of conversation
@@RedbadofFrisia Today was a beautiful day though no Inferno bushfires and the flooding was soooo last week, it really was just last week.
During the war, my uncle wrote my aunt saying "he met Joes' partents" Joe was an Itian friend of the family, so my aunt knew my uncle was in Italy.
Are you intentionally misspelling basic words to trigger grammar Nazi's in the comments? If so, Clever Glen!
Was his letter censored? At first glance someone probably would have thought he was talking about Stalin. lol
@@robertalaverdov8147 I'm not that devious or am I? LOL I was rushing when typed my comment and had a brain fart. Thanks for pointing it out!
@@Patrick_3751 Stalin was advertised as "Uncle Joe". I think simply "Joe" was a bit too common a name in the Anglo-Saxon world to be equated with Iosif Vissarionovich even in those days, though.
@@louisglen1653 Ah! Perhaps you are devious enough to hide your deviousness even from yourself! ;)
a Spartacus episode that doesn't make you sick. that's a rare sight.
Isn't that the truth? Sparti must have a strong constitution.
After the last one I am very happy for it
i was thinking the same thing
@@Chilly_Billy yes Sparta had the μεγαλη ´ρητρα-oh wait.
When I think "Allied censorship", I almost blackout with frustration, so speak for yourself! I think of the hundreds of men executed by the allies for being "cowards". The butchers.
a pretty serious video in aprils fools. You like to fight with fire
You see, the joke is "Western democracies" are thought to be democratic.
@@mad_max21 E D G Y
@@mad_max21 Way more democratic than a lot of places that call themselves democracies though. Then there’s the argument over majority decision making over pluralistic agreement decision making.
@@Marinealver I love that show!
@@mad_max21 Just look at cancel culture and the U.S. today. Smh.
Dear God, that suit is glorious! Looking absolutely amazing!
It only works it there is a leather kilt involved!
Only an American would be comfortable in such a loud and striking suit. But Mr Olsen wears it well.
@@Dave_Sisson It's got Savile Row written all over it tbf
@@Dave_Sisson I'm not sure what Spartacus identifies as, but he's definitely not American.
The problem was the way some valid wartime secrets were retained long past the time the end of the war removed justification for the classification ended. Enigma/Ultra was a secret worth keeping. On the other hand, the Slapton Sands devacle was kept secret long after the threat to D-Day disclosure would pose was past, likely to protect the reputtions of commanders involved.
There's a rather sad story from my grandmother, who was only 4 years old when the war broke out. Her father was in the British Army (I am unsure exactly which role or regiment), and as a result he would move around the country and took his wife and daughter with him. Of course, they weren't to stay anywhere near major cities due to the threat of bombing. I recall her saying she lived near the west coast of Wales for a time. Due to censorship at the time, he wasn't allowed to tell his family exactly why this was, or even where he was to be deployed. My grandmother only received a handful of clues- one being the terrain of the area suggested training for mountain combat, and that once he was shipped overseas (1942 or '43, I believe), she remembers receiving an oriental scarf or shawl of sorts as a gift. This possibly suggest either the Middle East or North Afica. This brings me to the saddest part- when he returned from duty circa 1946, he contracted an illness or fever of somekind, meaning he was frequently hospitalised. He passed away in 1948, meaning not only did my grandmother not get to know her father, but still does not know to this day the full story of his experiences overseas, as a lot of information remained restricted even after the war.
Thank you for sharing that. I love this type of stories that would remain unkwon and probably lost if not shared by people like you.
Very tasty tie here, playing well off the fantastic suit Sparty! 4/5
Has the QoFE commented on whether she dresses Indy and Spartacus or does she let them choose their own ties?
@@archstanton6102 All I can tell you is that Astrid goes out of her way to find the greatest, wackiest ties, and I love her for it.
There are more reasons to love Astrid than just ties though
Is there going to be a competicion between Indy and Sparty with the ties lol
She chooses the wardrobes, but the lads have a say in it. In fact, she procures all of their on-camera clothes, which in Sparty's case is the same things as 'his clothes.'
Two points:
1) There are famous stories of baseball announcers during the war saying things like, "I can't tell you what the weather is like today, but that ain't sweat the players are wiping off their faces" or "If you want to know why the game isnt under way right now, stick your head out the window".
2) I'm a little surprised that this episode did not at least touch on the ways in which WW2 censorship built on earlier efforts during WW1, or how in some cases we are still living with the fallout. In the USA, it is axiomatic that "you can't shout 'fire' in a crowded theater". This actually comes from censorship efforts during WW1 and a case titled Schenck v. United States (1919). Charles Schenck was the General Se rotary of the Socialust Party in Philadelphia. In 1917 he had been arrested for overseeing the printing and mailing of fliers urging men not to register for the draft on the grounds it was involuntary servitude (slavery) prohibited by the 13th amendment to the US Constitution. The eventual Supreme Court decision, by Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., held that "The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic". While the 1969 Brandemburg decision tempered the logic of Schenck, Schenck is still a binding precedent and Americans still have to put up with people who disagree with them telling them they "can't yell fire in a crowded theater".
Interesting. I remember reviewing this case briefly in university. Did you study law?
@@dr.lyleevans6915 no, obligatory "I'm not a lawyer". It's more of a pet peeve, both the way the common understanding leaves out important elements of the decision and how many people agree with the principle but would be horrified by the actual case.
Seeing those books burn breaks my heart. Saddest thing is that we're still burning books, cancelling authors and denying them a market to sell their work.
In the Korean War the Americans did not introduce press censorship until well into 1951, perhaps because it was officially a "police action". A former Chinese military intelligence officer told Max Hastings that at first they found out a lot of useful information just by reading the American press.
The Confederate Army did the same during the American Civil War.
@@Shadowman4710 An interesting conflict.
Union and Confederate troops sometimes met up between the lines, exchanging items (the Union troops had more food, the Confederates had more tobacco and the sides traded them). They sometimes also exchanged newspapers.
During the Falklands campaign in the 80's the British press seemed to be leaking details to Argentinan air force that some of the bombs they were dropping on British warships weren't going off .It's been suggested the Argentinan air force soon made sure that bombs were properly armed before any misson took place.
@@Shadowman4710 + UNION
@@chrisholland7367 dont forget BBC World Service announced on the radio that the British were poised to attack Darwin and Goose Green before they took place as supposedly surprise assaults
Shhhhhhh! The walls have ears!
Loos lips sink ships, yo!
And the hills have eyes
Facta non verba.
My grandma says that
It's true tho. Especially in authoritarian countries. Imagine being reported by your own family member
Well written and presented, sir! Since the 1970's, one of those posters would have to be modified, as it was in the National Lampoon: Loose lips win Pulitzer Prizes.
Yeah, I reckon that it's fair to apply censorship during wartime.
I can't excuse soldiers dying just so some people on the home-front can feel better about knowing they're being told the truth.
Being told the truth is absolutely essential. Being told everything is not.
@@bludfyre then itd be a lie through omission..
Makes no difference really.
you still get the truth, just in a soft way
@@potato88872 You really don't though, you give as much as you can, but there is nothing soft about it. If your civilian population can get it, so can the enemy.
@@Marinealver I don't reckon this censorship is intentional. TH-cam is in waaaaaaay too deep to personally look through it's videos, the algorithim is what does this.
Regardless. I don't think a simple viewer discretion as is usually the case, counts for censorship.
I think there should be an effort to make sure videos like this is watched only by appropriate audiences. I wouldn't want my nieces watching any of this.
Keep in mind that there are kids on this network.
"You forget, but she REMEMBERS" - careless talks costs lives
During the war my father found that reading the newspapers, with some knowledge of geography, revealed the troop movements to the various theaters, as well as all major convoys. The press just could not stop dropping hints.
In the last years of the war, it was a private joke among the German public that anyone with a map could figure out that the series of decisive German victories over the Allies that Dr. Joseph Goebbels excitedly announced always occurred closer and closer to Berlin.
@@DavidKutzler It was hard to conceal the fact that they were losing the war. When the Volkssturm was created in late 1944, one of its soldiers reflected that at the start of the year reports covered fighting in places with unpronounceable Russian names, often still in the vicinity of Leningrad, whereas now the ground war was coming to Germany.
This most famously occurred in the Crimean War; the London Times reported on British (and some Russian) movements so quickly and accurately that it was easier for the Tsar to read the newspaper than military reports. The British Parliament was unimpressed.
@@danghostman2814 Telegraph lines made that possible - very quickly. But there was not yet a functioning line across the Atlantic at the time of the American Civil War, and there was still something like a four-day delay at least between events in the war and the European press reporting it.
It was fiction although written by a WW2 combat veteran, but the character Will Knott in "A Midnight Clear" mentions writing to his sister to hint that his unit has entered Germany by asking her to give his love to "Gertrude, Moe and Jack". His sister understood the hint. The unit censor did not.
Rule of thumb to follow when getting “creative” with the truth: (1) All lies have an expiration date, and (2) you better have a good reason for lying, for that reason will come to light as well.
@@Marinealver Around the time I started wondering how “Santa” could get away with making Mattel branded products without getting sued.
@@Marinealver Or why they kept spelling “The North Pole” as “China.”
My Grandfather worked for the Canadian censorship office (can't recall the proper name) at the time. He remembers one time having to tell a company they couldn't publish an ad for bananas. He had no idea why, only knew that it wasn't allowed.
(my speculation is that it may have given away information about when a ship was arriving, but that's all I've got).
I read once that MI 6 had a spy in Paris, an elderly lady, whose only job was to check the price of produce, especially oranges, at the grocery store. Oranges grow in the South of France but not around Paris. She passed the information to her handler, who radioed it to London. MI 6 knew that when the price of oranges fell, the Germans had reestablished road and rail communication with the South of France by fixing all the bombed bridges and rail yards. MI 6 would then inform the Air Ministry that it was time to bomb those targets again..
I was impressed with what information can be deduced from seemingly trivial information.
@@BuickDoc It's a matter of deducing a second, unknown fact purely from a known fact - something we humans are remarkably and perhaps uniquely good at. For example: Barbed wire couldn't be seen in reconnaissance photographs, making it difficult to spot areas that the enemy had fenced off for military reasons, but of course no-one cut the grass *under* the barbed wire so it threw a darker shadow which *could* be seen.
A shout out to the Polish pastor who ran the Canadian police out of his church yesterday and told them not to come back without a warrant. Civil Rights must never be surrendered to unjust authority no matter what excuse is given. Whether Free Speech or guarantee of property rights there is no emergency great enough to eliminate the bedrock of a free society.
Ah, such an appropriate topic that so happens to be relevant to the ways of TH-cam and the general media everywhere today as well...
@UC0hcRy_HE80hpKEgLWG1hzQ How many Nazi's can you take in without them having an effect on your way of life
@@robert48044 Could you explain what you mean by this? I’m probably just being silly, but what you said didn’t really make sense to me.
@@Isometrix116 I think he’s talking about demonetization and TH-cam censorship. Plus censorship about current events like coronavirus and the U.S.
Yeah, the current Media Mentality is just like that of War time almost.
@@Marinealver 5:30 Our press needs to be reminded of these American ideals.
During WW1 all mention of the flu pandemic in the warring nations was censored. The respective governments didn't want to alert the enemy to the problems they were having with troops incapacitated through illness, Spain however was neutral, and so the press there had no such restriction. So the only news of the pandemic came from Spain, and that's why, despite the pandemic affecting large swathes of Europe, it became known as 'Spanish Flu'.
Not large swat of Europe: it was a global pandemic
George orwell worked in the ministry of information iirc, which inspired his novel 1984. He was quite unhappy that his anti-soviet writings were censored because soviets were an ally...
Once the war was over he had no trouble getting "Animal Farm" published. It was a wartime measure only. By the time "1984" came out the Cold War was well under way and the book was often seen as purely anti-USSR with no wider significance.
It likely has to do with my naval service, but I find operational security more important than freedom of the press in times of war. However, I understand the course that such actions can set and am grateful for reporters and other members of the industry.
08:03 "By and large, the press refrains from reporting on FACTUAL information that might harm the war effort". ...true, especially nowadays that the war on humanity is in full swing!
Related to topic, Germans did actually outright forbid listening Finnish radio in Estonia (and Baltics in general) during the war.
Reason being that Finnish radio and newspapers was "relatively" open when it came to news from abroad, information that was not necessarily favourable to Germans.
An excellent, thoughtful and nuanced presentation. A ‘special’ on wartime posters and cartoons would be interesting covering, for example, the work of Games and the cartoons of Vicky and Low.
In war, truth is the first casualty.
One of my favourite stories was the created of the “New York crossword puzzles” was detained in 1944 until they knew he didn’t know anything and wasn’t trying to send messages because in the puzzles for the week of June 1 had the answers
Omaha
Juno
Sword
Gold.
It turned out to be a coincidence.
When I first read that, I laughed at how some spooks must have crapped themselves when they found those in the puzzle
What does it mean?
A small Trotskyist group in Britain was raided by the police in 1941 or 1942. Their newspapers and leaflets were neatly stacked in their office, and a policeman said the office was tidier than most places they raided, although that actually made confiscating their publications easier.
“Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare.” Churchill actually hand-picked many of the “mavericks” who engaged in special operations behind enemy lines, using all the tricks of the trade (and inventing some new ones along the way), with all the ruthlessness and dirty tactics that the more squeamish would abhor. Yet such tactics and methods are credited with shortening the war. Churchill admired all sorts of innovation and was a practitioner himself (the idea of the battle tank during the First World War being just one of many such examples).
Brazil was authoritarian during World War 2. But still, the perception was that the allies were fighting for democracy. It is no coincidence that keeping the authoritarian regime in place after the war became impossible, since (as said at the time) the troops went to fight for democracy in Europe but they'd come back to dictatorship at home. That's a strong part of why the Dictator at the time was pressured into resigning in 1945, being replaced by a short-lived unstable democracy which would survive (against many coup attempts) until 1964.
Neutral Turkey's press was also censored (the first multi-party elections were only held after the war there). In the earlier part of the war the Turkish press often published Axis-friendly items and incidentally also some anti-Semitic cartoons and articles. This changed after 1943 and coverage tended to become more pro-Allied.
“ Silence Speeds Victory “ is actually a terrifying slogan when used by the wrong people, and this episode couldn’t come at a more appropriate time. Keep up the exceptional work fellas.
There is no such thing as a terrifying slogan used by the right people. Power is evil even if wielded by saints.
@@josephahner3031 So you're saying that having the power to end world hunger without negative consequences is evil?
@@randomlyentertaining8287 that power does not exist in reality. There are always second, third and so on order consequences for the exercise of power.
2:38 It must've been a true tragedy for the British to not be able to openly talk about the weather. :D
Wartime censorship in of itself is, perhaps distasteful, it is I think necessary. Though I think the extent of such should always be eyed carefully and not slip from security to oppression.
From a security stand point the press needs to be monitored. What a reporter thinks is unimportant might be the a big piece of the puzzle. Reporting on major mistakes gives the enemy in site into what is taking place. Keep the enemy guessing.
So glad that we Americans have a free and unfettered press that would never toe the Government line............
Like FOX News, Newsmax, OAN a few months ago? (Sarcasm)
@@arrow1414 NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, PBS......
Spartacus seems to be aging very well like a fine wine. He seems like a man of good taste and well knowledgeable about past and current events. I would really enjoy sitting down with Spartacus and have a drink of Single Malt Scotch and a Cohivas Cigar and pick his brain. It would be a conversation of a lifetime.
If only our press had the balls that reporters had during World War II, sigh.
As a journalist, George Orwell refused to "self censor." He supposedly wrote reports that he knew would be censored just on principle.
My mother who was a little girl during the war, would always say “loose lips sink ships”. Then again she grew up in Brooklyn not far from the navy yard.
Censorship can take many forms. During the first part of the war, my grandfather (who was a veteran of the CFA during the Great War) worked for Civil Defense in Tacoma, WA. He was a voice on the radio providing news and bulletins for his office. When the news came down about the plans for the internment of Japanese Americans, he felt it was a betrayal of our country's ideals of the highest order. He spoke out publicly on his radio broadcast against this policy. I don't know how many times, but as a result, he was fired.
A video about censorship, how timely.
Wartime censorship did some interesting things. Here in Florida, there was a Signal Corps training camp that specialized in radar maintenance. There was no effort to hide the camp's existence, merely what the training there entailed. I was surprised that when ships were torpedoed off the Florida East Coast in early 1942 the newspapers gave it front page coverage and even named the ships attacked, albeit with some lag in the reporting and I'm sure some details left out that would have otherwise been given. In contrast, in late 1943 there was a deadly collision between two oil tankers, also off Florida. A local newspaper article from shortly after the incident covered it in great length, but never mentioned the name of either ship.
The “loose ships sinks ships “ was during what was the battle of the Atlantic second happy time , after Germany declared war , German U-boats began sinking ships off the us coast , the American stubbornness to put convoys in place , and the lack of a coastal blackout along the coast made not easier by some states such as North Carolina stating that it would ruin the tourist trade. Made for the costliest part of the battle of the Atlantic in which if the pace continued , would have meant that Britain could be starved into submission.
Australian press was censored too , the newspapers often protested by leaving a lot of blank sections on their newspaper.
Now coming to think of it , the Queensland government banned the famous world war 2 Australia poster in which it depicts a Japanese soldier with a rifle and a fixed bayonet about to step onto Australia with the caption “he’s coming south “ for being to scary to the Australian people
And the most famous one was an article in a American newspaper or magazine, it was about how ineffective Japanese depth charges where or how deep American submarines could go to evade depth charges. Admiral Lockwood later said that he believed that hundreds of lives were lost as a result of the leak and the Japanese changes to their depth charges
Newspaper and radio reporting weather forecats can have an effect many people today totally miss: agricultural output. Farmers are highly dependent on weather. Starting a harvest, only to see the rain start to pour down can be very bad. It can even lead to a failed crop - specially with things like hay, or grains. And if your hay harvest is in tatters, you may be forced to slaughter some of your animals, such as cows. Wish, in turn, lead to lower output of things like cheese for the shops. That in turn is bad, since most people has to eat. And cheese in particular was seen as a good source for protein. Same chain of event can effect lots of other agricultural things. In short - farmers need weather forecats. Before there was such a thing, failed crops was more common. And starvation, malnutrition etcetera was more common.
Loose Lips Sink Ships!
But Loose Tweets Sink Fleets!!!!!
What a timely episode.
Probably not a coincidence that you guys created an episode about this particular subject
Why? what government is trying to censor them? By definition censorship must be between a state actor and a private citizen. Whatever you think of youtube's actions, IT IS NOT CENSORSHIP
@@tando6266 Lol at the semantics. Not-censorship by the giant tech companies can be near as effective as government censorship considering their near monopoly power over social media platforms. We also have Leftists who want to ostracize anyone with Right wing views from society or introduce "hate speech" laws like they have in Europe.
@@tando6266 There is no real alternative to TH-cam. They can't simply go to another private company. It's like if, in the past, there was only one newspaper. So it is pretty much equivalent to censorship. Governments are not the only ones who can weild enormous power and oppress people.
@@tando6266 Utter rubbish. Says who? Censorship is the deliberate suppression of information by anyone in a position to do so.
@@agentorange6085 Both the webster and oxford dictionaries. Censorship is conducted by a censor, who is defined as an official. While not explicitly excluding private citizens from being sensors there are no current accepted examples of a private individual acting as a sensor. Sorry if actually looking up definitions gets in the way of your fox newsing
I'm surprised that youtube didn't censored your video 😏
Exactly. This topic is not one TH-cam can be proud of!
I'm surprised it wasn't instantly demonetised for showing clips of Hitler with the way TH-cam polices free speech these days.
Absolutely love the work, of course! Good morning to the entire team!
Thanks!
Admiral Earnest King, who ran the US Navy during WWII, was furious when three days after our victory at Midway he read an article in the Washington Times-Herald, which had originated in the Chicago Tribune, that claimed we had advance warning of the Japanese plan. It even included a list of the Japaneses ships involved in that epic battle. King rightfully feared if this news reached the Japanese, they would change their signal codes and set our decoding efforts back years. And he wasn't alone in his thinking. FDR was so infuriated by the information leak that he wanted to send Marines to secure the Tribune Tower building and arrest its publisher, Robert McCormick. Cooler heads prevailed, and while the subsequent investigation led to a grand jury investigation, the jury threw out the indictments against the Tribune and its reporter and editor for the story after Navy Secretary Frank Knox refused to allow Navy cryptanalysts to testify. This action effectively nullified the case because these were the only men able to explain and confirm exactly what damage had been done to military operations. Without their testimony, the entire matter was rendered mute. At the time this no doubt perplexed those involved in the case, but Knox was acting on the prudent advice of Admiral King, who had just learned the Japanese had not changed their codes after Midway. This meant they were not aware we had broken them, therefore any public trial would greatly increase the chances of the Japanese discovering the underpinning reason why they were ambushed at Midway. It was far better for the war effort to let sleeping dogs lie. Admiral King, well known for his vindictive nature, had to settle for scuttling the promising career of the Lexington's executive officer, Commander Morton Seligman, the man he mostly blamed for the security lapse. War claims all kinds of victims.
That was interesting, thank you
I wish the media was still this combative towards the government today
My grandmother worked as a censor in Puerto Rico. (Which had a huge naval presence)
This seems to be very calculated episode with what is going on with social media today.
Great episode- thank you.👍. PS - That lamp on your desk has a really cool design.
We're glad you enjoyed the video Linn!
During the war my great aunt worked in US naval intelligence monitoring Portuguese newspapers. Her group discovered that some Portuguese merchant sailors were supplying information about allied convoys crossing from New York to the UK. The sailor would sign up for a ship, then after learning its time of departure and destination he would post an advertisement in a Portuguese newspaper for employment on a ship back to Portugal. The ad would include a port and a date of availability which would tell German naval attaches at the Portuguese embassy the port and date the convoy was arriving in the UK. The wording of the ad would tell them whether the convoy was fast or slow. From this data the Germans would be able to deploy wolf packs to intercept the convoy, In response to this spy ring the merchant marine changed the way they hired sailors. When merchant sailors presented for employment they would be housed incommunicado in barracks until their ships sailed.
I read years ago, some years before President or government official, congress etc. Said something along the way, saying the Constitution is not a suicide pact.
An episode on Special Branch would be nice. or comparing the FBI, Special Branch, and the Gestapo.
"Unfortunately, the deficiencies of Japanese depth-charge tactics were revealed in a June 1943 press conference held by U.S. Congressman Andrew J. May, a member of the House Military Affairs Committee who had visited the Pacific theater and received many confidential intelligence and operational briefings. At the press conference, May revealed that American submarines had a high survivability because Japanese depth charges were fused to explode at too shallow a depth, typically 100 feet (because Japanese forces believed U.S. subs did not normally exceed this depth). Various press associations sent this story over their wires, and many newspapers, including one in Honolulu, thoughtlessly published it. Soon enemy depth charges were rearmed to explode at a more effective depth of 250 feet. Vice Admiral Charles A. Lockwood, commander of the U.S. submarine fleet in the Pacific, later estimated that May's revelation cost the navy as many as ten submarines and 800 crewmen." From Wikipedia's article on Anti-submarine weapons.
And that story is picture perfect of how dangerous information is in the wrong hands
I understand that the British still use "D" notices for extreme threats to political body. . It's short term and gets the media very worked up. It may have been used during the Purfumo Affair
D notices still exist. A protest camp I was living on in the 1990's was evicted violently by bailiffs. The press were there watching but could not report what they were witnessing as they had been slapped with a D notice. It was described as 'not in the public interest' to release the facts of the eviction. Interestingly, it was never used on any later eviction, sources state there had been a 'backlash' from the press, the police, some bailiffs and of course the protestors.
@@Davey-Boyd I don't think they always entail extreme threats. There is also overlap between the media and the secret world.
@@stevekaczynski3793 Terror threat will bring a D notice if reported on.
Technically D-Notices were DA Notices. The A being for advisory. Which is supposed to highlight their non mandatory nature. Now they're called something like Defence and Security Media Advisory Notices. There are a number of 'standing' ones. They cover things like movement of nuclear weapons (you can report on the fact, but not give routes or times). The govt can also issue notices for specific matters. However I used to do pre publication advice for some national newspapers and I never saw one.
Shutting down the Daily Worker was a totalitarian move.
Surely this has nothing to do with TH-cam, right guys? ...right?
That is a very nice jacket that Spartakus has. It is quite dapper
on the beginning I was miss Nigel but after time I realized Spartacus has got charismatic personality, he smashes opinion he great man too greetings from Poland
Of all of the long term effects that the USA suffered as a result of WW2, the thrusting of the SCOTUS into such a massive and unintended position of importance in the political landscape is perhaps one of the most damaging. The constant fight of FDRs administration to circumvent and ignore the Constitution and the rights of the citizens of the United States coupled with the explosion of media reach into homes has made the SCOTUS into something it was never intended to be. A small group of lifetime appointed royalty who determine the laws of the land. Congress and the Senate have handed over too much of their responsibility and authority to SCOTUS, going to them hat in hand every time the Constitution needs defending.
This WW2 story is of an incredible actuality...
It ain't that sparty isn't quite up to it, it's just that Indy is so damn good at it
Truth dies first, at war time
Never thought I'd say discussion of censorship is a lighter topic. Great content as usual! :-)
Good episode Sparty. Factual, nuanced, to the point.
Thank you
Really well done, Spartacus!
Thank you
Interesting to say the least
Is there any topic you guys won't cover? Keep up the amazing work
If my sight is correct, Spartacus has some remarquably vintage e-cig sitting on his desk and I bet almost no one noticed it!
It's faux vintage as it's a mod that I built myself.
Thanks for your work. I must say you are good doing the full episode in seconds. The wall clock is still at noon 😊😊
theres an old saying that says "in war, the only sin is losing." while losing is still bad for whatever side youre on, i dont know that such absolutes can be applied in time if war.
"During war, the truth must be protected by a bodyguard of lies." I don't remember who originally said that, but if you really think about it, it is true. When the truth (which is withheld) may give your enemy an advantage, the lie (which is publicized) may deprive him of that advantage. Think of the "ghost army" assembled opposite Pas de Calais prior to D-Day to convince the Germans the invasion would be there instead of Normandy. That "lie" was so effective that even after the landings began in Normandy, the Germans kept several divisions at Pas de Calais because they believed Normandy to be a diversion. How effective would that "ghost army" have been in tying down those German divisions if the news media had been allowed to tell the people about the inflatable rubber tanks and trucks dotting the countryside in northern England? Censorship to protect a political movement/regime during peacetime is reprehensible, but censorship to protect military security during a time of war is a distasteful but necessary act.
Churchill
@@janiceduke1205 Thank you.
Censorship... you mean like TH-cam? Cheers!
Sorry for the redundant comment. I posted before reading your pinned comment. Cheers!
7:23 America: Fuck Yeah!
Am I the only one thinking that Byron Price (05:27) looks totally like young Indy?!
Was hoping for an April Fools joke video
In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies - Winston Churchill
The later recipiant of the Nobel prize, and at the time physics researcher for the Manhattan proyect Richard Feynmann tested the limits of the censors by using weird mathematic calculations that he found interesting. The censors also though that a list of items his wife had requested for him to bring when he went back home were a code message and removed it from the letter, which caused a small argument when he came back from the proyect.
I found some of my grandfather's letters to my grandmother's, and some of it was censored and some of it wasn't most of it was asking about my mom and her family!! He just complained about the cold weather...... And not having enough to eat! The one letter that was censored was a funny story about a day he was ferrying troops to the rear when he herd a bang on the side of his truck and a big fat Sargeant gut out and a French woman was waiting for him... The town and road had been censored but the rest of the story had me in laughing.....! Like the suit but it doesn't go with the tie!!! It reminds of of the zuit suits of the 40's and 50's we to go sparky
Is anyone else hearing a slight audio issue at 3:04?
Yh don't worry about it, he was getting censored
Thats the thing about censorship it can be used to stop vital information being accessed by a countries opponent/s or be used to control the public.
"Prevent the truth from getting out," thought a good description of censorship is incomplete in my opinion.
"Any form of suppression towards a person openly and expressing their views, standpoints, or findings" is more apt as the censorship of opinions and dissenting views though not as relevant to historical topics is very much relevant now.
I am also interested in hearing stories of those that ran afoul of US/UK censors and refused to back down not exactly in keeping with WaH but to an extent as Freedom of Expression Speach and the Press are human rights spotlighting examples of the "good guys" the allied nations violating these rights should occur in one way shape for form
We were speaking of the goal, not the method. You’re describing the method.
Bro u gonna save my english grade. writing a paper on censorship tysm
I’m glad such content isn’t being censored, right?
Part of your comment was redacted, what exactly did you say?
I think a lot of people need to read the Byron Price quote.
Holy crap.... what an amazing opening statement.... you can’t get closer to the truth without osmosis lol.
It’s always midnight or noon when Sparty does his vids.
4:51.......was that a TV in 1941?
Yes, they had mechanical TVs since the late 20s and analog ones since the mid 30s, they were just expensive and very rare, and there was not a huge amount of programming for them at the time, so they weren’t really completely worth it yet.
Ain't been this early since WW1
So nobody in Britain got a weatherreport for 6 years?
That is correct - at least not publicly. Limited, classified weather reports were made available to those who needed them, like farmers, but only after they had been vetted.
Nice video. Goes fairly well into the idea of censorship.
LOL it kind of makes you wonder who TH-cam is at war with...
im pretty sure thats obvious at this point.
Advertisers who don't want their ads shown before terrorist videos?
@@Grimmtoof naahhh they sponsor plenty of antifa/blm videos.
Private companies can censor what they want. It's part of our personal freedoms.
@@Kyle-gw6qp not when they violate section 230.
Fascinating the degree of the video focused on the U.S. that was in the war the shortest period and arguably was the least censorious, and only apply a very cursory discussion about British programs. They were the most threatened by the Axis the longest, and their measures were justifiably the most extreme. I mean, really, take a millisecond and talk about opening letters in Bermuda. www.bermudastamps.co.uk/info/imperial-censorship/
Hi sparty
Interesting topic covered.
Awaiting more special episode
Thanks.
2:50 ouch my ears