UPDATED Every Stratagem RANKED For Bugs Tier 9 | Helldivers 2 Tier List
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- RECOILESS SHOULD BE A TIER WHEN USING THE RELOAD CANCLE IT HELPS IT A LOT. BUT ONLY GETTING 1 ROCKET ON GROUND PICKUPS IS STILL BAD AND HURTS THE WEAPON!
I went through and updated my tierlist including all the changes that have been introduced through ship modules and patches! Bot tierlists + updated weapon tierlist shortly after the warbonds release next week!
Let me know in the comments what you think! Or come by the stream and have a discussion with me about it. This is my opinion and according to how I play.
Feel free to ask me questions via the comments here, discord, or my twitch stream!
0:28 - 7:00 Orbitals
7:00 - 11:30 Eagles
11:30 - 18:05 Sentries
18:05 - 23:15 Backpacks
23:15 - 38:10 Mech/Support Weapons
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Luna Guard Cat Stratagem is currently in a good spot, very viable while it is guarding you from your back and still looking cute while it's rearming. Solid S Tier.
So good that there was a cameo skin in Spider-Man. Insomniac really used time travel to put respect on the feline ahead of time
You only get one can of tuna per resupply though.
Gas strike is S after the dot fix. Throw it in a bug nest and get 30+ kills easily and has a 75 sec cooldown.
I don’t think people understand the napalm is pretty much the eagle airstrike but with fire. It can kill chargers and bike titans on impact. Has the same effect on bots, can take out factories, tanks ect.
The problem is the fire on the ground. I can blow up enemies in front of me, but if there's bugs behind me, i'm trapped. I don't have the same issue with the "simple" eagle strike and i can move forward right after the strike.
I think napalm strike is stronger to defend a position tho.
wait, for real?
Its just not as good at taking out those targets! Love the newly fixed napalm so more can see its power but air strike does a better job on taking out those heavies while napalm is better at chaff. Also incen breaker steps on the toes of napalm unfortunately!
Fun fact, the ballistic shield stops the damage of the spewers and the bile titan. Yes, you still get slowed and take small damage and it is funky, but when it is on your back it can be a life saver. As well the hit-box of the shield saves you from a titan stomp, but destroys itself after.
Would love to see some Loadout guides as well. How to think when you build a loadout, combos and some examples.
Great stratagem Tier List. I think you undervalue the Laser Rover, it’s still got good add clear if you run the Quasar as your support weapon.
Pair that together with the dominator to take out medium armor targets and grenade pistol for bug holes and stun grenade to keep everything locked down is a combo i’ve been running for a while. Feels great!
Hey Brother! Thank you for coming by the stream and the sub I appreciate the support, always love seeing people come by from TH-cam. I can definitely consider the suggestion! Hopefully you were still there when I answered your question in the stream! ❤if you have anymore feel free to drop by and ask 😊
Was a lot of fun! Bit of pressure playing in front of almost 1k players, tuning in tomorrow and i will join next sunday again!
I was still around for a bit of it. You’re a gaming streamer and not a video editor. I get it.
I thought would be to boot a mission up, go into your hellpod but not drop in. Stay on the loadout screen. Fill in your loadouts and talk about them a bit. Pros and cons
Won’t be a tier video, but that’s fine!
For the railgun: if you hit a bile titan in the head with a rocketlauncher it is 1 unsafe shot from death or 2 safe shots, so you can run something like railgun+ammo pack+EAT+whatever, use the railgun on every medium enemy with safe shots, kill chargers with 3 unsafe shots, and titans with 1-2 shots after an EAT hit, it feels pretty good and bridges the difference between your primary and the anti-tank option well.
My favorite thing about the jetpack is that it gives you time to do things like reload and enter in strategem commands. On top of that it's a very reliable dodge. I've gotten away form seas of bugs with the jet pack, only to enter a command for an airstrike and turn a sure death into a bug wipe.
A change I'd like to see is the support backpack being able to double as any ammo backpack for the purposes of 2-man teaming a gun. Like if my friend takes the recoilless rifle and I could use my support backpack to briefly triple his rate of fire, that would be huge in terms of it's versatility.
Really good idea 👍🏽
I want them to buff HMG emplacement. Maybe let it get the rotation and 50% ammo from the sentry modules. It's so fun and provided you place it in advance or call it in on cooldown, its so damned good at clearing anything bugs have side from charger/ titan. I run it any time the 25% strategem CD timer isnt active.
Edit: HMG is definitely above the rocket sentry IMO. 1 defense mission use case isn't competing with what the HMG can achieve on nearly any mission with planning.
the arc thrower can also finish off the bile titan if you miss the first 500kg, as long as the shoulder armor is off, it's take just a couple more arc shots
Air burst: If you are with randoms and are loading yourself, it is probably C. If you have a friend who doesn't have a backpack (not that uncommon) and can carry a spare one (or even primary) after the timer to load you when things get crawly, easy A. The amount of precision unarmored clear you can get with 3-5 rockets within 15 seconds far exceeds most other stratagems and weapons in double the time frame.
Works well for extraction, general known defenses, general known offenses (having 20 seconds to engage a patrol), liquifying spewers, or if you have a world that gets them Ion storms. I recommend being very very vigilant of your surroundings, especially for those dang scavengers crawling up close through the steaming corpses on freshly liberated ground. Generally unfortunate that most of the time the user gets a single rocket off and then has to fight normally until enough of a lull happens that the reload can be completed.
*edit: It does seem to be uniquely capable in destroy egg missions. I got a nest in one rocket at near maximum range, got another with two, and a few more times I brought it along only about 5 eggs were left nestled in the corner and made charging through enemies a survivable tactic since I could just keep going.
Do bots again cause there’s been a lot of changes
when dot damage is fixed it will show how truly useful the orbital gas strike is cause it doesnt kill hunters for me if im not the network host but i have used it when i was and it was very nice
I wanna say that Strafing run is meant to be used with rocket pods, since it does have medium pen for finishing off titans and chargers if the armor's stripped already.
Toss walking barrage in front of a large base, hanger or nest and let it sweep over. Or behind you when running from a horde of bots works pretty well
too many times ive thrown it and it just missed wish it was more reliable or on a lower cooldown. Im just far more confident that the other barrages will kill the thing I throw it at and not walk 100m past it after missing!
I love the idea for the strafing run. Med/heavy pen for 1-2 runs would be super satisfying
Eagle airstrike, orbital railcannon, Autocannon, EMS mortar. Can never go wrong 💪
good stuff as always
I'd put the recoilless rocket honestly A+ or S-. While it doesn't have infinite ammo like the Quasar, you can fire it off immediately when you need to instead of waiting for the Quasars charge up spin. Additionally if you bait a charger to come to you, a well placed rocket to their face is a 1 tap in most situations. Pair this with the hilarious ability to dive then shoot and it makes a hilarious yet cool 1 tap trick shot.
Honestly i prefer the recoiless rifle over the quasar cannon. You can take down bile titans with it super fast with animation cancels and can kill chargers at command without having to sit still and charge up a shot while it rams you down.
It can also deal with shrieker nests and spore spewers far away at a safe range. The requirement for a backpack just means you can slot in another strategem without needing a backpack crutch.
To me the recoiless is S tier for bugs for me.
I wanna give my opinion on the proximity airburst because i love the concept so badly for some reason
I think it needs a buff and a rework that can make it seem different from a recoilless rifle because i think it wants to be one so badly but for swarms
the buff is probably the most agreeable one and its to change it from proximity from 1 enemy to like 5 or more just not one because he says that its great against bugs but all it takes is one hunter to blow it all up in your face so I think changing the amount of enemy's it takes to set its self off should be increased
I actually proposal 2 different reworks that either would make it better or different as a weapon
the first thought was when i was using it was "Man does this thing take forever to reload" and it feels like it does so simply just decreasing the reload time would be a good change especially for bugs since you must be on the move all the time so a simple buff to the reload would help in bug missions
The second one is to make it reloadable while walking, while i know the thing is massive like most backpack weapons i feel like this would be one of the most laxed one to do it too since it wouldn't (at least it feels) like it could be reloaded easier, cod is an example but maybe not a good one since we're helldivers coaked up on FREEDOM and not a military stone hearted main protagonist so its up for debates on if you realistically could reload it while moving
plus i feel if this did come true the shoulder canon could be argued to be able to do the same (Which im kinda with) but i feel ruins its purpose as a weapon that rewards good aim with pace but can be used to spray and pray but you must sit down and load half the capacity yatta yatta you get it the point is it would ruin the style it has and become a spray and pray menace since the reload was a punishment for that so giving the airburst the ability to reload and walk would be controversial and changes it from an rpg to just a launcher (like the difference of actually holding a weapon that makes all things boom to realistic grenade launcher) but maybe thats not a bad idea in fact
if this rework were to happen it would most likely have to receive some nerfs such as explosion radius, damage, etc but i think this might be a good option
Now remember I am no game developer so anything i say can be wrong or right or better be used as inspiration for other ideas of reworks/buffs that other people come up with or the devs themselves to make for this weapon to be better or even different
The best use of shield relay on bugs is to give support team loaders cover against Bile Spewers, Titans and Chargers. If the team is running a team operated weapon, that is where the relay shines.
In all these tier lists and stratagem reviews people seem to forget what I consider to be the major reason that the quasar cannon, despute nerfs is still by far the best antitank weapon: it doesn’t need a backpack. It’s by far the most flexible option, at difficulties where you need to have options available because you’re getting swarmed/charged at/stalked/bombarded and everything in between, this is far and away the antitank weapon which is least likely to get you into a deadly situation.
Divers live longer when they use the quasar cannon, and there’s no beating a weapon which gives you more play time.
Walking barrage needs to have 3-4 rounds landing abreast in a wider MRSI line instead of the 2 it currently has - then have the barrage walked back 100-200m.
I have taken out soooo many bug holes and Bile Titans with the walking barrage. The orbital barrage sooo underrated.
On some planets, the orbital gas is really hard to see. By the time you walk into it, you usually die before you can get out of it. Excellent for team killing!
hahah ive def died a couple times to a teammates!
RE Cluster Launcher: Its only popular because so many helldivers have experience with premature detonation that they sympathize. Its B tier, maybe A situationally like defense where you can bottleneck bugs.
Anything the airburst launcher can do a normal stratagem like just cluster or GL can do better. The reload is just too long for sustained add clear + its not dealing with higher armour targets which are the things you need to care about incen breaker can deal with the chaff! Or you know just bring cluster bombs or newly fixed napalm!
Great video
7:25 the strafing run doesn't seem to make much sense to me since it's two parallel lines when the Eagle seems to have a single, big nose-mounted gun similar to the A-10 Thunderbolt (Warthog). I feel like it should be like a sidegrade to the orbital gatling, like a shorter but more accurate burst (with slight tracking like the rocket pods) with a barrage of Pelican-auto-cannon-grade shots because that nose-mounted cannon seems pretty huge.
On the subject of the orbitals, I feel like they're not on par with how good the eagles are (and your list reflects that). The ship module that decreases their cooldown by 10% could be buffed to 25 to 40% (at 40% decrease the orbital precision strike would have a cooldown of 1 minute) and I feel like they'd be right at home. And remove the orbital scatter modifier because it only pushes people to avoid orbitals.
For the spear: I'm not sure it's going to be good even after they fix the lock-on for most people, because the tracking works near perfectly for me against enemies (not so much against objectives as you need to see the base for some stupid reason), and while I think it's fun to use it still needs a direct hit to the head of a titan or charger to kill them, otherwise 2 shots IIRC to chargers and 3 to bile titan, and with the thing only having 4 shots total that's not gonna be good enough.
Ive got to disagree with the stalwart as while it cant be super high as its use may be more niche compared to the others, when paired with the eruptor it was already great. However after latest patch it now has almost no aim lag whatsoever getting rid of its (imo) greatest annoyance when using it and when you turn the fire rate up its amazing. I think it deserves high B at least def above the other machine guns at the very least being more reliable
Totally far people love the stalwart and its super fun! Unfortunately since the incen breaker exists it steps on the toes of "hunter killer weapons" couple pellets of the incen breaker and its dead giving you the freedom to use other support weapons for the actually challenging parts of tier 9 heavies!
@@MaplewoodLIVE I agree, thats why I think it cant be too far up but that being said its used mostly for when you cant bring the incendiary like when you use the eruptor. While more niche, the stalwart does so well in those situations I think it deserves to be higher
it might be overkill, but on larger strongholds for both the bugs and the robots, I actually throw both the 120 and 380 at the same time. It completely decimates everything.
We do this on Blitz on level 9 dives. Everybody drops with 380 and 120, we all pick a different hive, we throw both in, and the mission is done. Then we have 10 minutes to find samples and secondary objectives.
So fun to watch!
imo the machine gun sentry should have a super low cooldown and just shoot for a little bit then expire. Make it the EAT to the gatling turret's railcannon
I like the idea!
I took my game to the next level with your previous stratagems ranking list! Your opinion is nuanced and spot on! Thank you, I hope to see more!
The strafing run IMO should have medium T2 pen and either they double the damage.. OR make it 3X as wide and 2X the distance... otherwise it'll be shit tier.... like many other things in the game annoyingly.... the gap from good or meta to the rest is so damn big still to this day it's kinda a buzzkill knowing if I run X thing I'm visibly weaker.
YES!
I’m sooo happy with the railgun buff but yeah, only complaint is the near uselessness for BTs, especially since it can’t stagger their puke attack anymore
I think this gun shines more on bots
@@roodygarat1477 besides the factory striders and gunships it’s really good on bots yeah
The cat at 9 minutes 🤣
Placed himself in the stratagem list
How do I kill Chargers with the Autocannon? It keeps repelling. Shoot the butt?
Yup shoot the butt!
That's me I am the jet pack enjoyer. The trick is to think in three dimensions and remember ASHG. Always Seek High Ground
I think the next time you do this you could probably leave out one tier level. S tier is basically the stuff that you'll always be taking. A tier could be something that specifically counters a certain bot or are still very good strats to use if you're wanting to mix gameplay. Then there's B tier that's basically just your standard tools used while leveling up to obtain the other stratagems ranked above. C-tier is simply questioning why this is in the game because absolutely no one picks them
I feel like EATs is the best overall in thr game. Definitely S for me personally
Totally fair depending on play style or if you take a 2nd support weapon!
Recoiless Rifle should be A tier imo. Taking this mean extra slot for another strategem. Having reserve ammo on the backpack is great if you need consecutive shots like shooting nests and spores. It doesn't need you to wait like the EAT or qusar. Consistency is the strength of RR
My only thing is you're married to the resupply call in and if you dont get that brick getting ammo can be a pain since you only get 1 rocket per yellow world spawn. I think A- would be very fair if you can make sure you're always get the resupply when its off cool down!
I had no issues with ammo wise even without resupply. Perhaps it depends on what you pair the RR with the rest of your kit and strategems. Moreover, you can always call in a fresh RR set once the cooldown finishes
as a Recoilless Rifle Enjoyer it hurts me taht he put it at B :c.
With Superior Packing methodologym RR basically has unlimited ammo, You can still animation cancel and have the reload cut down to 3 something seconds. for Quasar u have to wait 15+3 seconds to shoot the next shot, You can 2 shot shrieker nests, spore spewers, 1 shot chargers, 2 shot bile titans on the head.
After using it more since the patch I do agree it deserves to be at least in A-/A! But thats assuming your doing the reload animation cancel at the end to speed it up. If they also gave more than 1 rocket per ground pick up it would very much be VERY close to beating the power the quasar!
Only thing I'd change is the orbital laser is S- imo. Cause when you're in a fight and unable to stop and do anything cause you have too many enemies you can literally throw it and forget it and it'll almost always go to the largest threat... so bye bye bile titan or charger...
I mostly agree with everything else. Weird how all the stratagems I just randomly picked and enjoyed using end up being put in A+ or higher 😂
My problem is it spend too long on a charger or bile titan to be higher its not like on bot missions where it just tears through so many high tier unites! If it could kill a charger in half the time or bile in half the time id agree but I dont want to not throw it when the highest threat enemies are on the field just so I can kill all the other enemies!
Highly disagree, it takes too long too kill a charger or a titan, iirc its like 23 secs to kill a titan so it will only kill one if it does not waste any time with other bugs or getting on target, it will at most kill 2 chargers again if it does not waste any time, killing trash mobs. Now if there are trash mobs only, it does do very well and lets be fair a bunch of hunters is the most dangerous thing there is.
So its only really good at killing trash mobs but now we have to keep in mind that it has a very long cool down and you only have 3 per mission, so most of the time you are not using it due to this and if you use your 3 charges you are now working with 3 stratagems which is a huge disadvantage, if you finish the mission with charges remaining you just gave them to Joel, compare this cluster bombs which you can spam and instantly delete all of the trash mobs, or some orbital barrages, gas strike, nepalm, airstrikes and more which either clear the trash, delete bug breaches or have other utilities, while having unlimited uses.
In conclusion for me the orbital laser its actually pretty bad against bugs, but the stratagem is still okay for me since it is pretty much an objective skip with bots, and I consider it amazing and a mainstay in my loadouts despite the 3 per mission limitation, S tier for bots IMO.
Feels like you described why the EAT is the best stratagem but then didn’t even put it s tier. In my experience EAT, Quasar, 500kg…if every player took any 2 of those the round is going to be easy even if youre trolling with strafing runs and rocket sentries for the other stratagems
Love the EAT but the auto loading and unlimited ammo while not being bothered by 50% callin or 25% cool down just puts it ahead imo!
thank you for detailed explanation and updates. much appreciated. Democracy is strong within you
they already fixed the spear it feels like been loving it for one shot titans
haha I wish but they even still state it hasnt been fixed and its in the known issues!
Looking forward to the bot list next. =)
Coming soon!
anytime at times is said -2 tiers barrage copium is wild
The gatling turret is S tier. Once you learn when to use it, it becomes an auto pick for me.
Rover still A for me. Give me peace of mind while running around
Your cat is ranked very low. It should be definitely placed on top of S tier :) What is the name of the cute fella?
Muh QC confirmation bias. I needed reassurance to keep playing with it cause discord armory was making me self conscious about it.
Cat. 🐈
Amr eat combo is fun but more i use it, more i feel like why not just bring blitzer with quasar? As blitzer does pretty much the same thing as amr but cant one tap hive guard and spewers.
All in all its all up to my mood and how i wanna play. More supportive? Amr, kill everything and carry my team? Blitzer QC.
I was having quite a fun with spear + EAT but stuggled with chaffs but now that blitzer is amazing at crowd control, i should give it another go and become heavy hunter.
S because it kills all bugs... but also kills your teammates... so S+++ 😂
Love it bro keep up the great work
I know you don't know what you're talking about when you put railgun in A tier
? one shots bile spewers, 3 shots chargers to the head or 2 leg shots to break armour like release. Not great vs biles but a lot of support weapons arent good against them. Maybe you haven't had the chance to see the buffs it got?
@@MaplewoodLIVE the Dominator, Counter diligence, erupter all can 1shots bile spewers in the head and they're all primary weapons. The Railgun can't 2 shot the chargers heads it can 3 shot them with reloads between each shot. It is useless for trying to destroy nests, spire spewers, or shreiker nests. When a gun can't handle multiple of the small mobs and can't even handle the elite enemies anymore it's considered trash. They need to bring the original state back and make it a primary or figure out a way to make it competitive against other supports. (I'm saying all this as someone who loved the railgun and wants to use it, but using it makes you a liability to your team honestly)
What ranking is linking your PSN account ?
Trolling
10/10 takes 5 minutes
Only For your PSN to get hacked. Also not for those of us in countries that can’t get them. Immediately uninstalled the game after Thursday.
@@bebopsynthguy6629 and you’re still watching tier lists on the game lol
Didn’t watch it actually
do doo list
bait
Man, this tier list is hot trash. SPEAR above recoiless? Precision strike above exosuit? Railcannon strike above laser? HMG emplacement in B tier?
The spear placement was in the context of its lock on being fixed, but you're right it shouldn't have been there.
Spear is able to one shot a bile and with some practice you can get this happening A LOT, recoiless can easily be higher if you're always there for the resupply call in or if they actually gave more than 1 rocket per ground brick. The ammo econ really suffers when you miss that resupply
@@MaplewoodLIVEThe SPEAR can do that only under certain conditions. Recoiless doesn't suffer from the 'minimum distance' needed to fire for the SPEAR, can close bug holes, clear some side objectives, and currently has a reload cancel to help reload faster. It's just more versatile. Putting the SPEAR above it is crazy. Plus, if you've already got enough distance to take the time to lock-on with the SPEAR, you're better off just not engaging.
Too bad Sony gonna kill this game
I had so much promise to but of course Greed from the publisher golf course Ruin it
Not gonna die
Pls refund and go play cod.
Rocket pods are ass