Now THAT is a serious bench vise, made of cast steel even the Germans would be proud of. None of that break-away chineseum pot metal crap masquerading as a bench vise. I miss when we made more things like this in our country. A tool like this can be handed down for generations, restored and handed down again. Your dad would be proud.
That was a shop-- farmers vise. Better known as a working mans vise. Sad thing is now days we can't seem to even build one that compares to the ones our fathers had and passed down to us. Once I was out on my on I bought several , that either broke or would not hold. When my father passed that was one of the first things I put into my shop. Can't Waite to see the finish product. Thanks for the video.
Best choice Mike, excellent start on your restoration. Dad is smiling. Great idea for the jaws. I’ve got grandpas vise from the SP RR shop. You are giving me ideas for different sets of jaws. Nice video. 👍👍👍
I’ve got the same model reed vise no 206. Mine has the patent dates on the side and three hole swivel. With yours having the 4 bolt swivel base and without the patents I’d say yours would date between 1930-1940 time period. Reed switched to the newer style R series around 1938. Which used a different retention collar for the main screw and a pin with a adjustable set screw to adjust tension on the main nut. Some people believe the R may have stood for revised but there is not literature stating what it actually stands for just speculation.
Hey Mike. Was great to meet you at the Bar Z Bash. Had a great weekend in Savannah a couple weeks ago. Almost convinced my wife to meet you but ran short of time. Thanks for the great content.
It will look good retaining some of it's character. You are right about your Dad being proud but maybe not so much of the vise but more of his son! Greg
Nice old vise. Making it good for another hundred years of service. In that configuration the table up and down is the Y axis. Z always runs through the spindle. You might check out Robin Renzetti's vise jaw video for a neat way to mount the jaws without having cap screw heads in the jaw faces. I was thinking it could be a good idea to make the swivel locks out of hex stock instead of round. You could still have the tommy bars to hand tighten, but that way a wrench could be fitted to apply Abom torque when needed without bending the bars like all old vises seem to get.
I like that idea, The only thing I have to consider is the engineering that went into the tommy bars should be the maximum torque limit of the nut on the vise. It appears that from the looks of the tommy bars that torque amount has been exceeded a time or two. Thanks for the idea and again it is a great idea
I'm glad the vice won . Quick question how do the covers come off the end of that 10ee monarch . A friend bought one and was trying to figure out how they come off thanks .
Glad the consensus was to do the vise. I've had some vises where the tapered pin went into a blind hole and couldn't be driven out from below. They sucked getting apart!
Looks like a bit of run out on that tapping attachment. Just shows how much float they have to not break the tap. Won't be long that heirloom will look like new! :-)
You could 3D print a collar to go around both of the overarms and it would have a ¼-20 captive nut for mounting a small camera above and behind work like that. It should be relatively safe from coolant spray and chips, all but the stringiest of stringers. Only caveat would be that the camera would be upside down in the application I'm envisioning. If you had a small, like 13-18" LCD display to show the live image from the camera, turned right side up, of course, it would make these kinds of machining tasks a whole lot easier. It might be able to mount extension arms to get the camera out to the side and you could invert the collar to get the ¼-20 nut on the top to get the camera up and out of the way.
I think you might have driven the taper pin out backwards. when I did mine, I had to use a piece of flat bar to lay on top of the pin and drive it down out of the bottom
Thanks for the video. A very nice vintage vise. Glad to see this being restored. A lot more work to mill the faces for the new jaws than I expected. I am not fond of the lock nuts on swivel vises. I replaced them on my Craftsman badged Columbian vise with carriage bolts and coupler nuts so I could use a wrench for locking. A thread in case this is of interest. www.woodworkingchat.com/forum/tools-and-safety/hand-tools/32503-swivel-vise-lock-nut-upgrade Dave.
On my Reed 105 R the jaws are kind of hardend bars, directly inserted into the molded cast iron. It seems they had been machined to size in situ. How they managed to get them inserted withput annealing them, I have no idea.
Hi Mike, I have a Reed vise. The jaw width is 4-1/2 inch and are not removable. Solid mount no swivel. The info cast into the side is: No. 4-1/2 R Made by Reed Mfg Co. Erie Pa USA Pat No 2127008
Bryan Lawless: Hey, there's more than just your back to watch out for, especially when you get older and have had the problem before. They sure do sap the motivation out of ya.
It is always nice to bring back something that has been in the family. It will probably bring back memories of your father.
Yes it will
Very good video. Can't wait to see the finished product.
Thanks for watching
Now THAT is a serious bench vise, made of cast steel even the Germans would be proud of. None of that break-away chineseum pot metal crap masquerading as a bench vise. I miss when we made more things like this in our country. A tool like this can be handed down for generations, restored and handed down again. Your dad would be proud.
Thanks for watching
That was a shop-- farmers vise. Better known as a working mans vise. Sad thing is now days we can't seem to even build one that compares to the ones our fathers had and passed down to us. Once I was out on my on I bought several , that either broke or would not hold. When my father passed that was one of the first things I put into my shop. Can't Waite to see the finish product. Thanks for the video.
That's a vise and a half. That nut put up a good fight. Good to see a horizontal milling machine in action.....Tony
Nice project and very worthwhile. You'll have a great vise when you get done and something from your dad.
Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for watching
Very brave with the tapping. 👏
Best choice Mike, excellent start on your restoration. Dad is smiling. Great idea for the jaws. I’ve got grandpas vise from the SP RR shop. You are giving me ideas for different sets of jaws. Nice video. 👍👍👍
Great fun Mike. That will be a nice heirloom for your kids. Old and useful is always a winner.
_Dan_
Mike, Coming along great thanks for sharing your video.!.!.!.
Thanks for watching Jerry
I’ve got the same model reed vise no 206. Mine has the patent dates on the side and three hole swivel. With yours having the 4 bolt swivel base and without the patents I’d say yours would date between 1930-1940 time period. Reed switched to the newer style R series around 1938. Which used a different retention collar for the main screw and a pin with a adjustable set screw to adjust tension on the main nut. Some people believe the R may have stood for revised but there is not literature stating what it actually stands for just speculation.
thanls for the info, sounds pretty logical and is the best info I have been able to find
Hey Mike. Was great to meet you at the Bar Z Bash. Had a great weekend in Savannah a couple weeks ago. Almost convinced my wife to meet you but ran short of time. Thanks for the great content.
I am glad you guys had a good time.
Mike that is a Beast , Your Dad had excellent taste when it came to vices !
Thanks
Good to see you working on your dads vise.
Thanks Duane
Good video. Nice having all those mills to choose from.
Yes it is, Thanks for watching
Im also using one of your coasters right now
They are handy.
Just a thought on the material composition on the Jaws Mike...
Do you think it might have work hardened a bit there over years of use...?
It will look good retaining some of it's character. You are right about your Dad being proud but maybe not so much of the vise but more of his son! Greg
Thanks Greg, I am planning on leaving the dings and dents as long as it doesn't effect the operation. But I am planning on giving it a new paint job
Coming along nicely. That is a really nice vise.
Thanks Harold
I think a "colonoscopy camera would come in very handy in some of those tight dark places in MACHINERY.
Most jobs arnt that bad on the mill, include a couple of cameras and the issues video cameras and trying to get the shot causes issues
Dad would be pleased! Someday your grandchildren will have it on there bench. Family treasures can't put a price on that mike
Thanks Kevin
Nice old vise. Making it good for another hundred years of service.
In that configuration the table up and down is the Y axis. Z always runs through the spindle.
You might check out Robin Renzetti's vise jaw video for a neat way to mount the jaws without having cap screw heads in the jaw faces.
I was thinking it could be a good idea to make the swivel locks out of hex stock instead of round. You could still have the tommy bars to hand tighten, but that way a wrench could be fitted to apply Abom torque when needed without bending the bars like all old vises seem to get.
I like that idea, The only thing I have to consider is the engineering that went into the tommy bars should be the maximum torque limit of the nut on the vise. It appears that from the looks of the tommy bars that torque amount has been exceeded a time or two. Thanks for the idea and again it is a great idea
I have a big Rockisland vice ( pre 1920) that needs the same thing done to the jaws but it is above my skills and equipment.
John Thanks for watching, Maybe you can find a way
Now thats a vise!
That was a great start to a very meaningful restoration. Can't wait to see the next video. Regards, Solomon
Thanks for watching
I'm glad the vice won . Quick question how do the covers come off the end of that 10ee monarch . A friend bought one and was trying to figure out how they come off thanks .
The covers come off by taking off the top knob, Then everything lifts off of pins
thanks I,ll pass that info on . really like the video keep them comin.
I just drove by the plant where that was made, last weekend. Cool building covered in vines.
I love to know about ht we the complete history of these old tools, including their birth places
I’ve read the R stands for REVISED. The ones without the R are older. The ones with the R are newer.
Mike, I really enjoyed the video! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching Herb
Glad the consensus was to do the vise. I've had some vises where the tapered pin went into a blind hole and couldn't be driven out from below. They sucked getting apart!
Thanks for watching
I had suggested you consider machining removable jaws and I see you did. I think that will give you better service from the vice.
thank you for suggesting doing it
Looks like a bit of run out on that tapping attachment. Just shows how much float they have to not break the tap. Won't be long that heirloom will look like new! :-)
Thanks Brian. I have a few different heads I just started using this ine on a job I had in the shop a couple of weeks ago
Nice to see ya hope your vaction was well and your Calif. Trip was good, wish could of made the bash to meet you.
Thanks Kyle
mike looking good.
Thanks Robert
You could 3D print a collar to go around both of the overarms and it would have a ¼-20 captive nut for mounting a small camera above and behind work like that. It should be relatively safe from coolant spray and chips, all but the stringiest of stringers. Only caveat would be that the camera would be upside down in the application I'm envisioning. If you had a small, like 13-18" LCD display to show the live image from the camera, turned right side up, of course, it would make these kinds of machining tasks a whole lot easier.
It might be able to mount extension arms to get the camera out to the side and you could invert the collar to get the ¼-20 nut on the top to get the camera up and out of the way.
why not machine one.
I was thinking 3D printed plastic would be less likely to scratch the overarms. If that's not a consideration, aluminum's nice and soft.
Yes I was thinking aluminum. I would love to have a 3d printer
I saw one at JPL a couple of weeks ago that will 3D print various alloys in one part, They are printing parts that will go to Mars in 2020
I think you might have driven the taper pin out backwards. when I did mine, I had to use a piece of flat bar to lay on top of the pin and drive it down out of the bottom
I may have, I will check on that tomorrow
Mike how much does that thing weigh? It's a monster...
My 2K has side controls, Mike. The model H's do not. Nice work on the vise.
Thanks Jeff, Hows the family?
Good Mike. How about you? Coming to Arnfest this year? I've got a spot for you if so....
Thanks for the video.
A very nice vintage vise. Glad to see this being restored. A lot more work to mill the faces for the new jaws than I expected.
I am not fond of the lock nuts on swivel vises. I replaced them on my Craftsman badged Columbian vise with carriage bolts and coupler nuts so I could use a wrench for locking.
A thread in case this is of interest.
www.woodworkingchat.com/forum/tools-and-safety/hand-tools/32503-swivel-vise-lock-nut-upgrade
Dave.
Thanks for watching, I have considered doing that
Great video!
602r have removable jaws?
That was my thinking at first, but I have seen a couple of them with solid jaws
enjoyed the video
Thanks Chuck, I hope everything is going good with you and the family
That's got to be made out of cast iron. Look how the drill had dust and not chips come out of the hole when you were drilling.
That was what I was seeing, However the jaws were so hard that the 1/2 end mill would glow red without the coolant. The drills and tap was not as bad
On my Reed 105 R the jaws are kind of hardend bars, directly inserted into the molded cast iron. It seems they had been machined to size in situ. How they managed to get them inserted withput annealing them, I have no idea.
Mike i cringe when i see how close your finger is to the hammer. Good job thanks for sharing.
thanks for watching
That will look great when you cure it of its present oxiditis excema, Dr. Wiggins. :)
it's getting a peel
Hi Mike, I have a Reed vise. The jaw width is 4-1/2 inch and are not removable. Solid mount no swivel. The info cast into the side is:
No. 4-1/2 R Made by Reed Mfg Co. Erie Pa USA Pat No 2127008
thanks for the info
Good Job!
BE PRETTY COOL TO HAVE HANDED DOWN TOOLS, MY GRANDDADS MITER SAW AND HIS HAND PLANES ARE MY PRIDE AND JOY
I have my Grandfathers Jack that he used on his race cars, It is in the Que to be restored
first ! I voted vise
That one is a hernia maker, that is certain. Please be careful.
Haha good one, because it's true.
Thanks for watching
Bryan Lawless:
Hey, there's more than just your back to watch out for, especially when you get older and have had the problem before. They sure do sap the motivation out of ya.
Maybe forged.
Thanks,
John
Maybe, I need to do some more research