As a teacher, I love that you share your honest experience. When people (hopefully) do their research, they can also add your thoughts to the equation. As a nurse, the whole damn time I was hoping you would drink your tea before it got cold. I got issues. Hope you’ll keep getting better.
I'm so sorry that you've been going through this. It's very scary, and it's great that you have such a strong support system to help. Also, giving yourself a fighting chance by looking at anything you could do to alleviate the symptoms.
@@BunnyChick08 feeling really good the past week. Not perfect, but definitely at a point where my life feels normal again. I think it’ll just keep getting better and better :)
I’m so sorry you and other people have to experienced this. I pray that your recovery continues to improve and you get back to feeling normal for good.
Thank you for your heroic testimony, man. I found your video the night before a procedure and after reviewing the evidence I can say your words likely saved my life. You rock
Thank you for posting and thank you for helping spread awareness about the horrific potential outcomes of this overly pushed and out dated barbaric surgery. We need to come together and cause some changes, for a cure.
I have never heard of something like this before. I’m very glad you feel better and your anxiety episodes have diminished. I send you all of my support, life can get scary and there’s a lot out there that can make those feelings worse, you seem to have a huge community and most importantly your family around to support you, I really hope you continue to recover well.
@@ChrisPetrone Thank you, really. This past two weeks have been kind of hard for me, and the comment you made about not thinking about hurting yourself but the thought of becoming someday into someone who would act on that, it really got to me. I think that is what I am going through. I understood.
This is awful that you have been dealing with this. Hoping for many more good days and that you will be back to the old Chris soon! Sending love and good thoughts your way :)
Thank you for sharing your story. I am sorry that you had to go through everything that you did. I hope that you continue to heal well and recover in no time.
My ENT doctor suggested a turbinate reduction for the first time a few months ago. After some research on Google, I only learned about empty nose syndrome, after which I booked a new appointment to discuss this, just to be sure. Of course the ENT doctor reassured me and said that he had only experienced this once or twice in the beginning of his career. (literally: if you read a book about plane crashes you will certainly never fly again) Well, I have already watched a few videos about empty nose syndrome but after seeing this one I decided to try all alternative treatments first and if If these do not help, I will certainly never consider a turbinate reduction again. Thanks for sharing and the clear explanation! Hopefully you are doing well in the meantime.
I want to add that symptoms can start to occur years after the surgery. Also, if you do have any kind of nasal surgery make sure your surgeon signs something stating they will NOT touch your turbinates. Best of luck.
Turbinate reduction left me with a dry mouth and very soar throat for like a year and 2 months... wouldn't wish it upon anyone, thanks for your video. Glad your doing better.
@luzvasquez7995 what type of turbinate reduction? I couldn't tell you, I just know that air flow was severely compromised and they reduced the turbinate size considerably, this was later confirmed by another Dr which I sought for a second opinion since my surgeon said my issue was silent acid reflux
I just got my septoplasty/turbinate reduction surgery done a few days ago and still recovering. I actually asked my ENT doctor about ENS during my pre-op. He said his patients don't get ENS because he is just shrinking the size of the turbinates with a needle, but he keeps the whole turbinate in tact. He explained that people get ENS when a doctor cuts into the turbinate to reduce the size that way. He basically implied ENS is not possible if you shrink the turbinates from the inside and leaving the outside alone and intact. He also said with septoplasty, if your deviated septum gets fixed, that will automatically start shrinking your turbinates but it takes years to reduce them to normal side if you decide not to go for the reduction.
@@ricericebaby7494 I’m sure you’re going to be absolutely fine, but there is always a risk of ENS. The newer, lower-risk methods can cause it and this has been well-documented.
this is a very well articulated video, I relate totally with what you described about your nose problems, I literally have the same issue. I am nearly 2 years out of surgery and initially I couldn't sleep at all and needed heavy medication, but now I only take low dose mirt and I feel like I regained slight sensation after 3 stem cell injection. I am planning on getting an infracture and continuing with the stem cell treatment. I am happy that you are better now, it gives me hope too.
Hey guys, I hope this would help some people but I have fixed my nose congestion about 75% naturally by eating healthier foods, regular exercise, and also taking beetroot powder, which opens up my nostrils somehow! Definitely do everything you can naturally before considering the surgery.
I had my septoplasty operation and turbinate reduction few days ago and I feel great. Made it in private hospital in the United Kingdom. It's really good, I don't fell any pain, my nose is a bit blocked now but it had been worse when I have had flu or something like that.
@@piyanutrose9785 that's great you decided to do it. It's been two weeks since mine and I can breath using two sides of my nose now! Wish you all the best :)
Thank you for this. I was on the fence about it and this has made me decide that it is a hard no for me to get a turbinectomy even though I’ve been told I need it
Remember, I'm not your doctor and I can't make decisions for you because I don't know your individual health details. There's a chance a turbinate reduction improves your life greatly. However, the risk is scary. When in doubt, consult with several different doctors to get many opinions. Also, remember that waiting longer is fine, but acting too soon can ruin things.
I went to an ENT since I've never really been able to breathe through my nose, and every time I asked about complications they said there weren't any possible. When I mentioned ENS they just said they've never had it happen before and I'm strongly considering just cancelling the surgery which is scheduled a bit over a month ago. It was really nice hearing your perspective since I had a coworker who also had the surgery and didn't mention any issues, but I think as you've said, I haven't tried nearly enough to fix the issue without surgical intervention. I think I'll cancel it for now and just reschedule it if I really feel it's necessary since I'm barely into my twenties.
Just don't let anybody operate on your turbinates! Other than that, you should be okay. You may just need to get on an allergy regimen. Like a certain spray or something. Lots of those medicines only work if you do them every day and they start to kick in after a few weeks. Really take lots of time to figure it out. Don't rush anything especially if your situation is tolerable.
@@ChrisPetrone Yeah, I've been on allergy immunotherapy for 3 years now to very little in terms of results, but since I don't really experience much pain from not being able to nose breathe I'll cancel the surgery for now
@@forbandyson8921some people say their nose surgery was super beneficial, but others end up with this debilitating condition (which I don’t have, to reiterate, but have been experiencing some symptoms of as I heal). I say exhaust every other option you possibly can including changing diet and environmental factors, etc.
You fast for 12 hrs to reduce the chance of vomiting during surgery and in recovery. I’ve never heard of it. I can’t imagine experiencing those symptoms. Glad to hear you are coming out of it.
Wish I saw this sooner knowing anything about turbinate nerve damage risk. I did a stupid treatment with a chiropractor called cranial facial release and I believe I have empty nose syndrome. I do not feel air in my nose anymore and feel my life falling apart with anxiety and depression. I was told there was no risk.... Can't believe it. What is the extent of nerve healing that the doctor told you about?
Have you had cartilage implants? Where did you get them? I don't speak English so I can understand some things in the video and not others. Thanks for your help.
@@ChrisPetrone Are you on any psychiatric medication? How have you been improving? I am having suicidal thoughts due to suffocation and depression. Please guide me on something.
Thank you for this video, I’m getting ready for a major surgery on my nose and sinuses. Lucky for me, my issue is my nasal passages are too narrow so we have widen my nostrils in addition to the septoplasty and sinus surgery. I had been planning to have them leave my turbinates alone anyway as I didn’t have a reason for them to be touched anyway and this made me feel confident in that choice.
Ahh.. I have a Septoplasty scheduled for TOMORROW, and I just came across this video. I wasn't evening searching, and it just popped up on my feed first thing in the morning.. I have done some research before, and I have been feeling pretty confident, but now I am quite nervous. 😓 I really don't know what to do... I do wanna get this surgery done. My breathing is awful, and it has gotten worse with time. The sprays and medicine never really helped me. That's why I am getting the surgery. It was recommended by my doctor. 😭😭 WHAT DO I DO NOW??!! I will definitely discuss this with the doctor before the Septoplasty, but he seemed quite positive when he recommended the surgery. I hope you start feeling better soon, Chris, and thank you for the information. 💕
@@ezrawings5613 with a septoplasty alone (no turbinate reduction) you should have basically zero risk of ENS. However, there can be other complications of course. There’s always some risk with surgery. Remember, the majority of people have a positive experience, especially if your septum is jacked up and needs correction. My advice is to get a second and third opinion and take the choice of doctor very seriously, even if it means spending more money out of pocket. This is your body we’re talking about. If you buy a house, for example, it’s a big purchase but worst comes to worst you can always sell it or something. With your body, the changes are permanent - period. Now, I’m not saying you should cancel or postpone. Only you know what’s best for you. But, if you do decide to cancel or postpone, don’t feel bad. Doctors deal with that sort of thing all the time. Put your health first. If you’re getting a turbinate reduction, I’d say you need to fully exhaust all other options first. Empty nose syndrome is rare, yes, but we don’t know how rare. The best doc in the US (Nayak) says he gave 3 turbinates ENS out of 1500 patients. (One-sided ENS). That means the rate is 0.2%. And that’s for him. He’s one of the top guys. Now imagine your local ENT. Probably not as good. Maybe a 0.5% chance? Would you get on a plane that had a 0.5% chance of crashing? I don’t think you’ll get ENS, but if you do, your life as you know it is over. Period. Be careful. I personally think turbinate reductions should be restricted to only when the patient’s life is at risk (cancer).
@@ezrawings5613 I suggest joining the Facebook group “septoplasty/deviated septum surgery sucks balls”. It’s a group where people share advice on their recovery. The title is a little misleading cuz most posts on there are very positive. But remember you’re embarking on a months-long journey. Doctors lie. They’ll say 6 weeks you’ll be 100% and that’s simply not true. For some people, they feel amazing 2 weeks later. Actually, I felt awesome 2-3 weeks post-surgery, and my ENS symptoms didn’t start until week 7. If I didn’t get those symptoms, I would have had a really easy recovery. Now, at 19 weeks post-op, I’m 90% well and only getting better, Thankfully.
Yea. I had 4 surgeries. it's very rare, but it could happen. I recommend doing research, and never going to an old doctor who uses OLD APPROACHES. you should be fine though. ENS Is def a thing, but it's rare.
26:14 i dont know which nasal spray u are talking about but decongestants ruined my life a month ago. it destroyed my mucosa and now i have ens type symptoms. mostly not sensing air. probably atrophic rhinitis idk. so strips or maxillary expansion is the best option. dont ever touch your nose with anything.
They don’t want you to eat before anesthesia in case you vomit and choke while under. I asked when I had a liver biopsy last year. Glad you’re on the mend. Sounds scary as hell.
I just had today my surgery, it's totally painless procedure done under general anesthesia, later on pain killers and antibiotics are give IV drip .. So Guys who need this surgery do not think much just go for septoplasty
Thanks for sharing your story. My nose has caused me nothing but trouble. There are days when both nostrils are completely occluded, no air movement at all through my nose. I have no sense of smell, never have. Breathe Right strips were a game changer, but not perfect. About two weeks ago I discovered intake breathing strips, even better than the breathe right strips. Over the past few months I’ve been considering having surgery, but after seeing this video, I think I am going to pass. ENS, there has to be some type of reflex that is being triggered. Kind of like the mammalian diving reflex or how the respiratory chemoreceptors act in people with severe COPD.
idk the specifics of your case, but surgery could potentially help - just avoid turbinate surgery. If a few docs all thought u needed something other than turbinate reduction, then maybe that's worth considering. Turbinate reduction (or outfracture) should be an absolute last resort. Other nose surgeries seem to have no risk of ENS (or very very very very low risk of it). I think i heard people having ENS-like symptoms with a septal perforation, that went away when they got it fixed, for example
The symptoms of my deviated septum are already giving me anxiety. I have panic attacks over health anxiety, infrequently , when I’m not on SSRIs. I get anxiety about not being able to breathe. My resting heart rate is 46, I’m relatively healthy but not a marathon runner, and I can’t help but think it’s related to my blood ox levels. I’m not sure I’m willing to sacrifice a few months of discomfort though. With anxiety already being an issue for me it makes me consider the absolute worst scenario. If I could guarantee the recovery and efficacy of the surgery I would definitely do it. I just had the consult with my ENT yesterday about my CT scan results. She said the next action would be surgery septoplasty and turbinate reduction but didn’t mention anything about ENS. Sounds traumatizing.
@@randomishlala999 it is traumatizing and self-unaliving (not sure if I’m allowed to type the real word here) is incredibly common with those afflicted with ENS. If I was you, I’d certainly consider a septoplasty alone. Only with a doctor willing to leave the turbinates as they are. The risk of ENS with just a septoplasty is slim to zero. Maybe there was one reported case I can remember
If you do have the surgery. Get as conservative as possible. Save the outer layer of the turbinates. They do a thing where they take out the soft bone and some flesh under the mucosa. The mucosa has the sensors to sense air.
Thanks for this video bro im 10 months in and this has been the worst decision of my life. I urge anyone out there to AVOID touching the turbinates. Look at the past and all the dumb shit doctors thought was smart.. 20 years from now we will be looking back at this surgery and laughing at how dumb it was to do
Can you link the reference about the papers that hypothesize why some patients get ENS and others don't, having to do with a certain vein (or nerve?) that some have, and some don't?
Did you still feel abnormal air flow? Had my RF turbinate ablation like 4 months ago and have developed all kind of side effects, especially no resistance when I breathe out.
@@luzvasquez7995 yes I still have annoying breathing sometimes. Fortunately, it’s only like 5-10 minutes per day. I’m basically normal now and even breathe better than pre-surgery a lot of the time. I’d still go back if I had a choice though
Hey man, could also be worth taking tadalafil (cialis) or viagra quite often to constantly swell up the turbinates and get them to where they need to be. Thanks for your video, I cancelled my surgery and going to fix nasal breathing via a different surgical procedure.
I'm doing pretty dang well now. Basically normal honestly and I don't wear a nose strip nearly as often. Still, though, I wouldn't suggest turbinate reductions to anybody.
@ even if I agree with the surgeon that he does a very conservative submucosal resection? I’m going to be having jaw surgery in less than a year anyways which will fix my nasal breathing. Should I just wait for that instead? My nose is congested pretty much all of the time and ideally I’d love to have some relief for the next year that I wait
I thought of this as well when I began experiencing ENS. Unfortunately in my case, and I’ve actually been diagnosed by two different ENTs, Tadalafil, etc. is intolerable for me now. I say now, because I have taken it many times prior to my surgery, and although it would always include nasal stuffiness as a side effect, it was a mild side effect, and wasn’t in any way a deal breaker. Now after trying it 3 or 4 times for that exact reason of adding volume, it causes 2-3 days of severe exacerbation of a few ENS symptoms. Much worse congestion, dryness, depression, anxiety, and fixation. This may not be the case for all ENS sufferers. It may actually benefit some as I hoped it would. I theorize my turbinates were outfractured so aggressively that when they swell, the nerves are putting very uncomfortable pressure on areas they didn’t before. Whether I’m right or wrong on this I have no idea. It’s an extremely difficult condition to describe what is going on accurately. As Chris stated, there are fluctuations throughout each day. I have some days where I’m able to distract myself for short periods. But it always comes back. And it is very much physiological. Psychological aspects exist for sure, but how could they not? If you’re experiencing discomfort with every breath, your nose is severely dry, and can’t sense airflow, of course you’re going to have psychological effects from it. For many, psychological issues were present prior to ENS. Which just makes it far worse. And the doctors who perform these surgeries should be much more selective with who may be a candidate for this reason alone. In my experience, and I’ve had two sinus surgeries with turbinate resection (the first one caused no ENS issues so I thought I would be safe), most ENT surgeons will go out of their way to downplay this risk. “Never had a case” is a very common response to a patient’s concern. Or “it’s not possible unless the turbinates are completely removed”. Complete Horsesh*t! The majority will not acknowledge it even existing. Because they aren’t required to. But they will likely have it listed on the consent form you sign. The growing awareness is extremely detrimental to their profitability.
Radiofrequency or coblation is not permanent solution. bone removal without removing the soft tissue inside of the turbinates and without outfracturing the turbinates is permanent, and it's the safest way, according to my surgeon.
The Italian surgeons (ask me for references) claim that micro-debridement of the front and center parts of the inferior turbinate, down to the sheath around the bone, allows regrowth of the turbinate, but with good cells. They claim no ENS if the debridement is done that way.They say partial removal leaves damaged cells, with no regrowth, whereas any procedure that involves heat also damages cells so they don't regrow well. Can we trust their reporting on ENS (one paper looked 4 years post-op but maybe not a big enough sample size).
I saw the part of the video where you said that almost no person should get a turbinate reduction surgery, I saw you explain your reasoning. It makes sense to me. In my particular case, I probably have to choose between mouth breathing for the rest of my life, or getting a partial turbinectomy. My turbinates are so enlarged, and I have tried every possible means of shrinking them other than a turbinectomy. If the choice was between mouth breathing the majority of the time for the rest of one's life, or getting a partial turbinectomy and risking empty nose syndrome, is it better to mouth breath? That is not a rhetorical question, I am open to the idea that I should just resign myself to mouth breathing for the rest of my life. I don't think that there's a plausible way other than a partial turbinectomy that I will ever be able to breath through my nose the majority of the time. I've tried changing my diet, using a neti pot, hot baths, exercise, holding my breath repetitively for intervals to force the turbinates to shrink, sometimes in repetitive one minute intervals. None of these methods have worked. If the choice is between mouth breathing or getting a partial turbinectomy and risking empty nose syndrome, no other realistic options, would you say that it is better to just resign one's self to mouth breathing?
@@paulbustion1291 I most often see the word turbinectomy used to describe slicing of the turbinates. This should never be done. The most conservative method of turbinate procedure would be out-fracture, which does not actually reduce their size but pushes them to the side a bit. The next safest would be either submucosal resection or radio frequency ablation. I’d recommend you continue to research more conservative methods including using medicated sprays very very consistently for several weeks. Some of them take a lot of time to kick in. I’d also get your home vents cleaned and try air purifiers. I’d also even consider moving to a different state, city, climate, etc. I’d also consider changing your diet and experimenting with what might work. If you’ve exhausted all options over the course of many months or a couple of years, then maybe consider a slight turbinate reduction. The key is to make sure it’s very slight, and you may even consider starting on just one side. I’d also suggest going to the absolute best Ens-aware ENT you could possibly find. Pay however much money it costs. Only go to the absolute best. Get several opinions. Do not rush this process. It may seem uncomfortable in the now, but it’s better than a life in hell from ENS. It does sound like you may be the type of case where turbinate reduction would be a good idea. But take all the precautions I listed. And remember this is not medical advice. I’m not a doctor. These are just my personal opinions on what I would do.
@@paulbustion1291 does using Afrin help you significantly? (Don’t use it consistently, but try it just two sprays in each nostril and see how u feel that day as a test)
@chris my doctor suggested me septoplasty having dns, sinus surgery for chronic sinusitus and tubinoplasty, my main concern is nose remains congested blocked and having reduced smell can sense strong odours or sonething just under my nose. Can these surgery help in these symptoms or instead lead to empty nose syndrome and other complications.
I have a septoplasty and sub mucosal turbinate reduction surgery coming up on Monday. I have now recently hard about ENS and I’m so terrified. I struggle terribly with health anxiety. Should I just tell them I absolutely do not wish to have my turbinates touched and go through with the septoplasty?
@@scottyridehome3394 look, I can’t make health decisions for you, but I’d go back if I could, and I’m actually probably better in terms of airflow than before surgery, but the anxiety and annoyance isn’t worth it. I got a turbinate reduction when that wasn’t truly what I needed. They do work for most people, don’t get me wrong, but I’d never advise a loved one to get one unless it was an absolute last resort
@@scottyridehome3394 just know that you can never go back. Are you absolutely sure beyond a shadow of a doubt you need a turbinate reduction? Have you tried reducing allergens in your diet and environment? Have you tried nasal sprays daily? Sometimes they need weeks to work. You can always wait longer but acting too fast is permanent. Canceling is no big deal. Happens all the time and they’re used to it. Get several opinions. Spend the extra time and money. It’ll be worth it.
Hi brother you right you the best my doctor did it vivear and reduce my turbiat little big I got sick I can sleep all night what can eat what can we do now
I didnt know this is what caused ENS. My son just had septoplasty (2 days ago) and reduction of turbinates.. this is scarying me shitless. I am soo worried now! I only pray that he comes out fine, because his turbinates were pretty enlarged.
@@Lizzied1301 they never bring it up as a possibility. If they did, people wouldn’t do the surgery. The informed consent patients give is so rarely actually informed. It is rare, though, so I’m sure your son will be fine. Definitely don’t search out issues if he’s feeling fine. If he begins having issues, Dr. Nayak and Dr. Citardi are the ones to go to. Maybe Dr. Das. (These are If you’re in the US)
@@june6777 I’m basically 100% now. Some mild issues in the morning but nothing like before. I live completely normally now. I still wear a nose strip to sleep though and occasionally keep it on during the day. But I have my life back.
Is this the case for a simple septoplasty? Or is it really only a risk when you get turbinate reduction? I’m due to get a simple septoplasty in a couple months.
I'm fairly certain you can only get empty nose syndrome when the turbinates are operated on. You should double check with your surgeon and make sure they don't operate on them.
I’d always leave surgery as a last resort. If you have a good life right now, I’m not sure I’d risk nose surgery. But, if it’s really jacked up and messin with your quality of life, then just a septoplasty alone would be much much much much lower risk of ens, if any. Of course, with any surgery there can be risks. Please do plenty of research
@@thatbouytrippie still very early. Try not to worry too much yet. But yea, it’s scary for people because your body has been changed. I’m sure you’ll be fine in time
@@luzvasquez7995 bilateral inferior turbinate submucosal resection with microdebrider. There is no fully safe method of turbinate surgery. Period. People have gotten ENS from every type including outfracture and the incidence is underreported. I advise everyone against turbinate surgery
I’d just like to add that “vitamins can’t hurt” is false and they sure as hell can hurt if in excess… wouldn’t recommend “supplementing” something unless it is actually missing (ie seen in blood tests). Glad you are feeling better
@@timcepin3386 the past few days, I’ve been basically back to normal. Not exactly, but very close. I’m still a little too open and it’s a little hard to relax sometimes, but overall I have very few issues now and things seem to be getting back to totally normal
A doctor said it might take 6 to 8 months for the nose to get use to the new air flow. I am at 8 week post op, with severe dry nose and throat, open nose and chest pain. Would never get this thing done again.
For how long did you experience those symptoms? Also did you check your surgery report? They may have been reduced without your knowledge. You can message your doc and they have to provide it to you
@@ChrisPetrone It's been 15 months since I got these symptoms. I didn't check the medical report. Okay. I will try. Thank you for letting me know about it.
I used to watch videos of Dr. Nayak doing nose surgeries if we’re talking about the same doctor. I’ve always said i would want to see him if i ever get to have septoplasty surgery and a nose job.
You seem really sensitive. The running the hand through your hair tick kind of makes me think that. It is really noticeable and you may need therapy to stop it.(Cutting your bangs shorter and combing the hair back in front may help you.) Also I had local anesthesia for my turbinate reduction, not everyone has general anesthesia for nasalnl surgery, the septoplacy requires the general anesthesia. I think surgery swelled your nose up and your nose has not yet recovered and calmed down from the trauma of the procedures you had. You may feel a lot better in a couple months after the tissues heal more and the nerves in the nose calm down. Total of 3 months. Dryness does not mean you have ENS and it may be a bad side effect of the surgery, but not ENS. I don't need distilled water for my room humidifier. I use distilled for my cpap machine but not the room humidifier. Do you have ENS? Sounds like you don't and you are scaring people watching this unnecessarily.
@@donniemoder1466 I don’t experience dryness. I’m currently 4 months and 1 week post op, and I’m experiencing issues like a fight/flight state when I breathe. I don’t know if it’s ENS or just part of the healing process, and I hope it goes away in time. I’ve done tons of research on this and I now know that turbinate surgery is far riskier than we are led to believe. Go listen to the podcast Dr. Nayak did this year. He said we don’t fully understand turbinates and how you can do the exact same surgery on 1000 turbinates but a small number of those will end up with ENS
In 2021 i made this surgery, septum and turbinate, and after that i was bad for 6 months, i tought i have ENS, but maybe was atrophic rinitis, but for 6 months i had some kind of brain fog, and for the first 3 months i was sufocated becouse of the condition of my nose, i dont know what happened but today is better
@@timcepin3386 fortunately, no. I would say to look into (excuse my probably incorrect spelling) rinopanteina, Xlear, ponaris, medical grade sesame oil
went to doctor.. oh you need surgery again.. I'm like I just had a rhinoplasty. I still can't breathe. I was jolting up, getting like 3-4 hours a sleep, nose was dry.. I was like a second surgery? no thanks I'll live with a nasal strip lol
@@ChrisPetrone doctors don't listen. In addition to my many problems in my 30s... I also have facial paralysis from wisdom teeth extraction which cause me to develop TMD lol..I just wear a snore guard which helps my airway little, and nasal strips, and sleep with a fan, and humidifier on 24-7. I always tell my girlfriend if I was soo religious I would have taken my life at this point.. see no point in living.. 🥹
I'm in your shoe and I was on the edge of losing my life. I just want you all to try Fox tail millet and brown top millet diet. Three days fox tail millet and three days brown top millet.
As a teacher, I love that you share your honest experience. When people (hopefully) do their research, they can also add your thoughts to the equation.
As a nurse, the whole damn time I was hoping you would drink your tea before it got cold. I got issues.
Hope you’ll keep getting better.
I'm so sorry that you've been going through this. It's very scary, and it's great that you have such a strong support system to help. Also, giving yourself a fighting chance by looking at anything you could do to alleviate the symptoms.
@@BunnyChick08 feeling really good the past week. Not perfect, but definitely at a point where my life feels normal again. I think it’ll just keep getting better and better :)
I’m so sorry you and other people have to experienced this. I pray that your recovery continues to improve and you get back to feeling normal for good.
Thank you for your heroic testimony, man. I found your video the night before a procedure and after reviewing the evidence I can say your words likely saved my life. You rock
Thank you for posting and thank you for helping spread awareness about the horrific potential outcomes of this overly pushed and out dated barbaric surgery. We need to come together and cause some changes, for a cure.
I have never heard of something like this before. I’m very glad you feel better and your anxiety episodes have diminished. I send you all of my support, life can get scary and there’s a lot out there that can make those feelings worse, you seem to have a huge community and most importantly your family around to support you, I really hope you continue to recover well.
@@FloraDolce you’re lovely. Thank you for the kind words and support
@@ChrisPetrone Thank you, really. This past two weeks have been kind of hard for me, and the comment you made about not thinking about hurting yourself but the thought of becoming someday into someone who would act on that, it really got to me. I think that is what I am going through. I understood.
Just got my Septoplasty and Turbinate Reduction done yesterday, all this ENS stuff is scaring the hell outta me, I hope I won’t have it!
I'm sure you'll be just fine
Bro I went down the exact same research spiral as you after my surgery with ENS symptoms. Fantastic video, hope everybody sees it
@@jackward4417 thank you, spread the word 🤝
This is awful that you have been dealing with this. Hoping for many more good days and that you will be back to the old Chris soon! Sending love and good thoughts your way :)
Great advice! Thank you for your testimonial. It will undoubtedly save someone!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for sharing your story. I am sorry that you had to go through everything that you did. I hope that you continue to heal well and recover in no time.
Great, thoughtful video, and great that you've given such extensive responses to people's questions and comments 👍👍
Sorry you’re going through that man. Hopefully you’ll feel back to normal soon.
My ENT doctor suggested a turbinate reduction for the first time a few months ago. After some research on Google, I only learned about empty nose syndrome, after which I booked a new appointment to discuss this, just to be sure. Of course the ENT doctor reassured me and said that he had only experienced this once or twice in the beginning of his career. (literally: if you read a book about plane crashes you will certainly never fly again) Well, I have already watched a few videos about empty nose syndrome but after seeing this one I decided to try all alternative treatments first and if If these do not help, I will certainly never consider a turbinate reduction again. Thanks for sharing and the clear explanation! Hopefully you are doing well in the meantime.
thanks, I'm basically 95%-100% now. I feel excellent. It was a traumatic 2.5 months though.
I want to add that symptoms can start to occur years after the surgery. Also, if you do have any kind of nasal surgery make sure your surgeon signs something stating they will NOT touch your turbinates. Best of luck.
Turbinate reduction left me with a dry mouth and very soar throat for like a year and 2 months... wouldn't wish it upon anyone, thanks for your video. Glad your doing better.
What type did you have?
@luzvasquez7995 what type of turbinate reduction? I couldn't tell you, I just know that air flow was severely compromised and they reduced the turbinate size considerably, this was later confirmed by another Dr which I sought for a second opinion since my surgeon said my issue was silent acid reflux
Love ya babe.....so glad to see you and hear that your moving forward and getting better ❤❤
I just got my septoplasty/turbinate reduction surgery done a few days ago and still recovering. I actually asked my ENT doctor about ENS during my pre-op. He said his patients don't get ENS because he is just shrinking the size of the turbinates with a needle, but he keeps the whole turbinate in tact. He explained that people get ENS when a doctor cuts into the turbinate to reduce the size that way. He basically implied ENS is not possible if you shrink the turbinates from the inside and leaving the outside alone and intact. He also said with septoplasty, if your deviated septum gets fixed, that will automatically start shrinking your turbinates but it takes years to reduce them to normal side if you decide not to go for the reduction.
@@ricericebaby7494 I’m sure you’re going to be absolutely fine, but there is always a risk of ENS. The newer, lower-risk methods can cause it and this has been well-documented.
Did you get radio frequency turbinate ablation?
@@luzvasquez7995 I did. So far, i'm recovering pretty well.
@@luzvasquez7995 no, submucosal resection
this is a very well articulated video, I relate totally with what you described about your nose problems, I literally have the same issue. I am nearly 2 years out of surgery and initially I couldn't sleep at all and needed heavy medication, but now I only take low dose mirt and I feel like I regained slight sensation after 3 stem cell injection. I am planning on getting an infracture and continuing with the stem cell treatment. I am happy that you are better now, it gives me hope too.
Hey guys, I hope this would help some people but I have fixed my nose congestion about 75% naturally by eating healthier foods, regular exercise, and also taking beetroot powder, which opens up my nostrils somehow!
Definitely do everything you can naturally before considering the surgery.
I had my septoplasty operation and turbinate reduction few days ago and I feel great. Made it in private hospital in the United Kingdom. It's really good, I don't fell any pain, my nose is a bit blocked now but it had been worse when I have had flu or something like that.
I had it done this morning too in the Private hospital in London. I feel fine, it wasn't as painful as I thought,it would be
@@piyanutrose9785 that's great you decided to do it. It's been two weeks since mine and I can breath using two sides of my nose now! Wish you all the best :)
@@lgbtscenes Thanks a lot for the positive review and reassurance😊I made the right decision to have it done I think and all the best to you too.
So informative!! I'm hoping to become an ENT doc and this was such a detailed, helpful testimony. thank you very much for sharing
Thank you for this. I was on the fence about it and this has made me decide that it is a hard no for me to get a turbinectomy even though I’ve been told I need it
Remember, I'm not your doctor and I can't make decisions for you because I don't know your individual health details. There's a chance a turbinate reduction improves your life greatly. However, the risk is scary. When in doubt, consult with several different doctors to get many opinions. Also, remember that waiting longer is fine, but acting too soon can ruin things.
Turbinectomy is when they just snip them out. Don’t do that, ask for a conservative one and fully understand what they will do. See my other comment.
Thanks for being vulnerable with us in hopes of it helping others. So dope!
I went to an ENT since I've never really been able to breathe through my nose, and every time I asked about complications they said there weren't any possible. When I mentioned ENS they just said they've never had it happen before and I'm strongly considering just cancelling the surgery which is scheduled a bit over a month ago. It was really nice hearing your perspective since I had a coworker who also had the surgery and didn't mention any issues, but I think as you've said, I haven't tried nearly enough to fix the issue without surgical intervention. I think I'll cancel it for now and just reschedule it if I really feel it's necessary since I'm barely into my twenties.
Just don't let anybody operate on your turbinates! Other than that, you should be okay.
You may just need to get on an allergy regimen. Like a certain spray or something. Lots of those medicines only work if you do them every day and they start to kick in after a few weeks. Really take lots of time to figure it out. Don't rush anything especially if your situation is tolerable.
@@ChrisPetrone Yeah, I've been on allergy immunotherapy for 3 years now to very little in terms of results, but since I don't really experience much pain from not being able to nose breathe I'll cancel the surgery for now
@@forbandyson8921some people say their nose surgery was super beneficial, but others end up with this debilitating condition (which I don’t have, to reiterate, but have been experiencing some symptoms of as I heal). I say exhaust every other option you possibly can including changing diet and environmental factors, etc.
You fast for 12 hrs to reduce the chance of vomiting during surgery and in recovery.
I’ve never heard of it. I can’t imagine experiencing those symptoms. Glad to hear you are coming out of it.
Wish I saw this sooner knowing anything about turbinate nerve damage risk.
I did a stupid treatment with a chiropractor called cranial facial release and I believe I have empty nose syndrome. I do not feel air in my nose anymore and feel my life falling apart with anxiety and depression.
I was told there was no risk.... Can't believe it.
What is the extent of nerve healing that the doctor told you about?
I think you need to have been operated on turbinates to get ENS
I have been to the mental hospital three times because of this 40 minute procedure.
Chris I’m so glad your with family and not alone
Have you had cartilage implants? Where did you get them? I don't speak English so I can understand some things in the video and not others. Thanks for your help.
@@vestitealamoda no. I got better with time
@@ChrisPetrone Are you on any psychiatric medication? How have you been improving? I am having suicidal thoughts due to suffocation and depression. Please guide me on something.
Thank you for this video, I’m getting ready for a major surgery on my nose and sinuses. Lucky for me, my issue is my nasal passages are too narrow so we have widen my nostrils in addition to the septoplasty and sinus surgery. I had been planning to have them leave my turbinates alone anyway as I didn’t have a reason for them to be touched anyway and this made me feel confident in that choice.
Ahh.. I have a Septoplasty scheduled for TOMORROW, and I just came across this video. I wasn't evening searching, and it just popped up on my feed first thing in the morning..
I have done some research before, and I have been feeling pretty confident, but now I am quite nervous. 😓 I really don't know what to do... I do wanna get this surgery done. My breathing is awful, and it has gotten worse with time. The sprays and medicine never really helped me. That's why I am getting the surgery. It was recommended by my doctor. 😭😭
WHAT DO I DO NOW??!!
I will definitely discuss this with the doctor before the Septoplasty, but he seemed quite positive when he recommended the surgery.
I hope you start feeling better soon, Chris, and thank you for the information. 💕
@@ezrawings5613 with a septoplasty alone (no turbinate reduction) you should have basically zero risk of ENS. However, there can be other complications of course. There’s always some risk with surgery. Remember, the majority of people have a positive experience, especially if your septum is jacked up and needs correction. My advice is to get a second and third opinion and take the choice of doctor very seriously, even if it means spending more money out of pocket. This is your body we’re talking about. If you buy a house, for example, it’s a big purchase but worst comes to worst you can always sell it or something. With your body, the changes are permanent - period.
Now, I’m not saying you should cancel or postpone. Only you know what’s best for you. But, if you do decide to cancel or postpone, don’t feel bad. Doctors deal with that sort of thing all the time. Put your health first.
If you’re getting a turbinate reduction, I’d say you need to fully exhaust all other options first. Empty nose syndrome is rare, yes, but we don’t know how rare. The best doc in the US (Nayak) says he gave 3 turbinates ENS out of 1500 patients. (One-sided ENS). That means the rate is 0.2%. And that’s for him. He’s one of the top guys. Now imagine your local ENT. Probably not as good. Maybe a 0.5% chance? Would you get on a plane that had a 0.5% chance of crashing? I don’t think you’ll get ENS, but if you do, your life as you know it is over. Period. Be careful. I personally think turbinate reductions should be restricted to only when the patient’s life is at risk (cancer).
@@ezrawings5613 I suggest joining the Facebook group “septoplasty/deviated septum surgery sucks balls”. It’s a group where people share advice on their recovery. The title is a little misleading cuz most posts on there are very positive. But remember you’re embarking on a months-long journey. Doctors lie. They’ll say 6 weeks you’ll be 100% and that’s simply not true. For some people, they feel amazing 2 weeks later. Actually, I felt awesome 2-3 weeks post-surgery, and my ENS symptoms didn’t start until week 7. If I didn’t get those symptoms, I would have had a really easy recovery. Now, at 19 weeks post-op, I’m 90% well and only getting better, Thankfully.
Yea. I had 4 surgeries. it's very rare, but it could happen. I recommend doing research, and never going to an old doctor who uses OLD APPROACHES. you should be fine though. ENS Is def a thing, but it's rare.
26:14 i dont know which nasal spray u are talking about but decongestants ruined my life a month ago. it destroyed my mucosa and now i have ens type symptoms. mostly not sensing air. probably atrophic rhinitis idk. so strips or maxillary expansion is the best option. dont ever touch your nose with anything.
They don’t want you to eat before anesthesia in case you vomit and choke while under. I asked when I had a liver biopsy last year. Glad you’re on the mend. Sounds scary as hell.
I just had today my surgery, it's totally painless procedure done under general anesthesia, later on pain killers and antibiotics are give IV drip ..
So Guys who need this surgery do not think much just go for septoplasty
Thanks for sharing your story. My nose has caused me nothing but trouble. There are days when both nostrils are completely occluded, no air movement at all through my nose. I have no sense of smell, never have. Breathe Right strips were a game changer, but not perfect. About two weeks ago I discovered intake breathing strips, even better than the breathe right strips.
Over the past few months I’ve been considering having surgery, but after seeing this video, I think I am going to pass.
ENS, there has to be some type of reflex that is being triggered. Kind of like the mammalian diving reflex or how the respiratory chemoreceptors act in people with severe COPD.
idk the specifics of your case, but surgery could potentially help - just avoid turbinate surgery. If a few docs all thought u needed something other than turbinate reduction, then maybe that's worth considering. Turbinate reduction (or outfracture) should be an absolute last resort. Other nose surgeries seem to have no risk of ENS (or very very very very low risk of it). I think i heard people having ENS-like symptoms with a septal perforation, that went away when they got it fixed, for example
The symptoms of my deviated septum are already giving me anxiety. I have panic attacks over health anxiety, infrequently , when I’m not on SSRIs. I get anxiety about not being able to breathe. My resting heart rate is 46, I’m relatively healthy but not a marathon runner, and I can’t help but think it’s related to my blood ox levels. I’m not sure I’m willing to sacrifice a few months of discomfort though. With anxiety already being an issue for me it makes me consider the absolute worst scenario. If I could guarantee the recovery and efficacy of the surgery I would definitely do it. I just had the consult with my ENT yesterday about my CT scan results. She said the next action would be surgery septoplasty and turbinate reduction but didn’t mention anything about ENS. Sounds traumatizing.
@@randomishlala999 it is traumatizing and self-unaliving (not sure if I’m allowed to type the real word here) is incredibly common with those afflicted with ENS. If I was you, I’d certainly consider a septoplasty alone. Only with a doctor willing to leave the turbinates as they are. The risk of ENS with just a septoplasty is slim to zero. Maybe there was one reported case I can remember
If you do have the surgery. Get as conservative as possible. Save the outer layer of the turbinates. They do a thing where they take out the soft bone and some flesh under the mucosa. The mucosa has the sensors to sense air.
Thanks for this video bro im 10 months in and this has been the worst decision of my life.
I urge anyone out there to AVOID touching the turbinates. Look at the past and all the dumb shit doctors thought was smart.. 20 years from now we will be looking back at this surgery and laughing at how dumb it was to do
Can you link the reference about the papers that hypothesize why some patients get ENS and others don't, having to do with a certain vein (or nerve?) that some have, and some don't?
Did you still feel abnormal air flow? Had my RF turbinate ablation like 4 months ago and have developed all kind of side effects, especially no resistance when I breathe out.
@@luzvasquez7995 yes I still have annoying breathing sometimes. Fortunately, it’s only like 5-10 minutes per day. I’m basically normal now and even breathe better than pre-surgery a lot of the time. I’d still go back if I had a choice though
I’m in the midst of scheduling an appointment with Dr. Nayak. I don’t think anyone can help me.
Hey man, could also be worth taking tadalafil (cialis) or viagra quite often to constantly swell up the turbinates and get them to where they need to be. Thanks for your video, I cancelled my surgery and going to fix nasal breathing via a different surgical procedure.
I'm doing pretty dang well now. Basically normal honestly and I don't wear a nose strip nearly as often. Still, though, I wouldn't suggest turbinate reductions to anybody.
@ even if I agree with the surgeon that he does a very conservative submucosal resection?
I’m going to be having jaw surgery in less than a year anyways which will fix my nasal breathing. Should I just wait for that instead? My nose is congested pretty much all of the time and ideally I’d love to have some relief for the next year that I wait
I thought of this as well when I began experiencing ENS. Unfortunately in my case, and I’ve actually been diagnosed by two different ENTs, Tadalafil, etc. is intolerable for me now.
I say now, because I have taken it many times prior to my surgery, and although it would always include nasal stuffiness as a side effect, it was a mild side effect, and wasn’t in any way a deal breaker. Now after trying it 3 or 4 times for that exact reason of adding volume, it causes 2-3 days of severe exacerbation of a few ENS symptoms. Much worse congestion, dryness, depression, anxiety, and fixation.
This may not be the case for all ENS sufferers. It may actually benefit some as I hoped it would. I theorize my turbinates were outfractured so aggressively that when they swell, the nerves are putting very uncomfortable pressure on areas they didn’t before. Whether I’m right or wrong on this I have no idea. It’s an extremely difficult condition to describe what is going on accurately.
As Chris stated, there are fluctuations throughout each day. I have some days where I’m able to distract myself for short periods. But it always comes back. And it is very much physiological. Psychological aspects exist for sure, but how could they not? If you’re experiencing discomfort with every breath, your nose is severely dry, and can’t sense airflow, of course you’re going to have psychological effects from it.
For many, psychological issues were present prior to ENS. Which just makes it far worse. And the doctors who perform these surgeries should be much more selective with who may be a candidate for this reason alone.
In my experience, and I’ve had two sinus surgeries with turbinate resection (the first one caused no ENS issues so I thought I would be safe), most ENT surgeons will go out of their way to downplay this risk. “Never had a case” is a very common response to a patient’s concern. Or “it’s not possible unless the turbinates are completely removed”. Complete Horsesh*t!
The majority will not acknowledge it even existing. Because they aren’t required to. But they will likely have it listed on the consent form you sign. The growing awareness is extremely detrimental to their profitability.
@ 10000%. Everything you said is fact.
Radiofrequency or coblation is not permanent solution.
bone removal without removing the soft tissue inside of the turbinates and without outfracturing the turbinates is permanent, and it's the safest way, according to my surgeon.
@@user-gu7jsu3 I wouldn’t do any methods if I could go back
The Italian surgeons (ask me for references) claim that micro-debridement of the front and center parts of the inferior turbinate, down to the sheath around the bone, allows regrowth of the turbinate, but with good cells. They claim no ENS if the debridement is done that way.They say partial removal leaves damaged cells, with no regrowth, whereas any procedure that involves heat also damages cells so they don't regrow well. Can we trust their reporting on ENS (one paper looked 4 years post-op but maybe not a big enough sample size).
I saw the part of the video where you said that almost no person should get a turbinate reduction surgery, I saw you explain your reasoning. It makes sense to me. In my particular case, I probably have to choose between mouth breathing for the rest of my life, or getting a partial turbinectomy. My turbinates are so enlarged, and I have tried every possible means of shrinking them other than a turbinectomy. If the choice was between mouth breathing the majority of the time for the rest of one's life, or getting a partial turbinectomy and risking empty nose syndrome, is it better to mouth breath? That is not a rhetorical question, I am open to the idea that I should just resign myself to mouth breathing for the rest of my life. I don't think that there's a plausible way other than a partial turbinectomy that I will ever be able to breath through my nose the majority of the time. I've tried changing my diet, using a neti pot, hot baths, exercise, holding my breath repetitively for intervals to force the turbinates to shrink, sometimes in repetitive one minute intervals. None of these methods have worked.
If the choice is between mouth breathing or getting a partial turbinectomy and risking empty nose syndrome, no other realistic options, would you say that it is better to just resign one's self to mouth breathing?
@@paulbustion1291 I most often see the word turbinectomy used to describe slicing of the turbinates. This should never be done. The most conservative method of turbinate procedure would be out-fracture, which does not actually reduce their size but pushes them to the side a bit. The next safest would be either submucosal resection or radio frequency ablation. I’d recommend you continue to research more conservative methods including using medicated sprays very very consistently for several weeks. Some of them take a lot of time to kick in. I’d also get your home vents cleaned and try air purifiers. I’d also even consider moving to a different state, city, climate, etc. I’d also consider changing your diet and experimenting with what might work. If you’ve exhausted all options over the course of many months or a couple of years, then maybe consider a slight turbinate reduction. The key is to make sure it’s very slight, and you may even consider starting on just one side. I’d also suggest going to the absolute best Ens-aware ENT you could possibly find. Pay however much money it costs. Only go to the absolute best. Get several opinions. Do not rush this process. It may seem uncomfortable in the now, but it’s better than a life in hell from ENS. It does sound like you may be the type of case where turbinate reduction would be a good idea. But take all the precautions I listed. And remember this is not medical advice. I’m not a doctor. These are just my personal opinions on what I would do.
@@paulbustion1291 does using Afrin help you significantly? (Don’t use it consistently, but try it just two sprays in each nostril and see how u feel that day as a test)
@chris my doctor suggested me septoplasty having dns, sinus surgery for chronic sinusitus and tubinoplasty, my main concern is nose remains congested blocked and having reduced smell can sense strong odours or sonething just under my nose.
Can these surgery help in these symptoms or instead lead to empty nose syndrome and other complications.
I have a septoplasty and sub mucosal turbinate reduction surgery coming up on Monday. I have now recently hard about ENS and I’m so terrified. I struggle terribly with health anxiety.
Should I just tell them I absolutely do not wish to have my turbinates touched and go through with the septoplasty?
@@scottyridehome3394 look, I can’t make health decisions for you, but I’d go back if I could, and I’m actually probably better in terms of airflow than before surgery, but the anxiety and annoyance isn’t worth it. I got a turbinate reduction when that wasn’t truly what I needed. They do work for most people, don’t get me wrong, but I’d never advise a loved one to get one unless it was an absolute last resort
@@scottyridehome3394 just know that you can never go back. Are you absolutely sure beyond a shadow of a doubt you need a turbinate reduction? Have you tried reducing allergens in your diet and environment? Have you tried nasal sprays daily? Sometimes they need weeks to work. You can always wait longer but acting too fast is permanent. Canceling is no big deal. Happens all the time and they’re used to it. Get several opinions. Spend the extra time and money. It’ll be worth it.
Thank you for sharing.
Hi brother you right you the best my doctor did it vivear and reduce my turbiat little big I got sick I can sleep all night what can eat what can we do now
I didnt know this is what caused ENS. My son just had septoplasty (2 days ago) and reduction of turbinates.. this is scarying me shitless. I am soo worried now! I only pray that he comes out fine, because his turbinates were pretty enlarged.
@@Lizzied1301 they never bring it up as a possibility. If they did, people wouldn’t do the surgery. The informed consent patients give is so rarely actually informed. It is rare, though, so I’m sure your son will be fine. Definitely don’t search out issues if he’s feeling fine. If he begins having issues, Dr. Nayak and Dr. Citardi are the ones to go to. Maybe Dr. Das. (These are If you’re in the US)
Vitamins definitely help a lot I know it from my personal experience.
How are you feeling now? Do you still have ENS? Please respond, im going to get septo and turbinate reduction soon
@@june6777 I’m basically 100% now. Some mild issues in the morning but nothing like before. I live completely normally now. I still wear a nose strip to sleep though and occasionally keep it on during the day. But I have my life back.
Is this the case for a simple septoplasty? Or is it really only a risk when you get turbinate reduction?
I’m due to get a simple septoplasty in a couple months.
I'm fairly certain you can only get empty nose syndrome when the turbinates are operated on. You should double check with your surgeon and make sure they don't operate on them.
I’d always leave surgery as a last resort. If you have a good life right now, I’m not sure I’d risk nose surgery. But, if it’s really jacked up and messin with your quality of life, then just a septoplasty alone would be much much much much lower risk of ens, if any. Of course, with any surgery there can be risks. Please do plenty of research
Great video!
I'm 26 days in after surgery experiencing anxiety attacks for the first time 😭
@@thatbouytrippie still very early. Try not to worry too much yet. But yea, it’s scary for people because your body has been changed. I’m sure you’ll be fine in time
@ChrisPetrone For Sure did the same surgery when I was 12, now(18) 6 years later the bone grew back but I trust my specialist 🙏
Did you go for a microdebrider submucosal turbinate reduction?
yes, and I suggest nobody ever gets a turbinate reduction. It's always a dice roll
What type of turbinate reduction did you get?
@@luzvasquez7995 bilateral inferior turbinate submucosal resection with microdebrider. There is no fully safe method of turbinate surgery. Period. People have gotten ENS from every type including outfracture and the incidence is underreported. I advise everyone against turbinate surgery
Do you still feel like your nose is very open and dry? I do 4 months post op.
I’d just like to add that “vitamins can’t hurt” is false and they sure as hell can hurt if in excess… wouldn’t recommend “supplementing” something unless it is actually missing (ie seen in blood tests). Glad you are feeling better
If Dr. Nayak wants to do another turbinate reduction on me, shall I let him?
@@timcepin3386 I really can’t say because I don’t know your specific situation
I’ve been thinking about your video a lot today. I think you’ll be fine. Try to eat as clean as you can though.
@@timcepin3386 the past few days, I’ve been basically back to normal. Not exactly, but very close. I’m still a little too open and it’s a little hard to relax sometimes, but overall I have very few issues now and things seem to be getting back to totally normal
Sounds good.
A doctor said it might take 6 to 8 months for the nose to get use to the new air flow. I am at 8 week post op, with severe dry nose and throat, open nose and chest pain. Would never get this thing done again.
Did you lose sense of smell and taste
No, I did not. Maybe a slight loss of smell (5%?) but that's hardly been noticeable and could have been all in my head.
I only got septoplasty and plastic surgery(rhinoplasty)and didn't have turbinate reduction, but I ended up having ENS-like symptoms.
I wish there's more medical studies about ENS caused by septoplasty.
I bet your turbinates were touched
For how long did you experience those symptoms? Also did you check your surgery report? They may have been reduced without your knowledge. You can message your doc and they have to provide it to you
@@healthyisbeautiful8720 The doctor told me that he pushed off my turbinates while the surgery.
@@ChrisPetrone It's been 15 months since I got these symptoms.
I didn't check the medical report. Okay. I will try. Thank you for letting me know about it.
The wait to be treated by Dr. Nayak is six months. A patient can be added to his cancellation list.
*Patient/appointment cancellation list.
I used to watch videos of Dr. Nayak doing nose surgeries if we’re talking about the same doctor. I’ve always said i would want to see him if i ever get to have septoplasty surgery and a nose job.
He's highly regarded
You seem really sensitive. The running the hand through your hair tick kind of makes me think that. It is really noticeable and you may need therapy to stop it.(Cutting your bangs shorter and combing the hair back in front may help you.) Also I had local anesthesia for my turbinate reduction, not everyone has general anesthesia for nasalnl surgery, the septoplacy requires the general anesthesia. I think surgery swelled your nose up and your nose has not yet recovered and calmed down from the trauma of the procedures you had. You may feel a lot better in a couple months after the tissues heal more and the nerves in the nose calm down. Total of 3 months. Dryness does not mean you have ENS and it may be a bad side effect of the surgery, but not ENS. I don't need distilled water for my room humidifier. I use distilled for my cpap machine but not the room humidifier. Do you have ENS? Sounds like you don't and you are scaring people watching this unnecessarily.
@@donniemoder1466 I don’t experience dryness. I’m currently 4 months and 1 week post op, and I’m experiencing issues like a fight/flight state when I breathe. I don’t know if it’s ENS or just part of the healing process, and I hope it goes away in time. I’ve done tons of research on this and I now know that turbinate surgery is far riskier than we are led to believe. Go listen to the podcast Dr. Nayak did this year. He said we don’t fully understand turbinates and how you can do the exact same surgery on 1000 turbinates but a small number of those will end up with ENS
In 2021 i made this surgery, septum and turbinate, and after that i was bad for 6 months, i tought i have ENS, but maybe was atrophic rinitis, but for 6 months i had some kind of brain fog, and for the first 3 months i was sufocated becouse of the condition of my nose, i dont know what happened but today is better
Take your vitamin D3 with K2 and Magensium glycinate.
Are you experiencing crusting? I am.
@@timcepin3386 fortunately, no. I would say to look into (excuse my probably incorrect spelling) rinopanteina, Xlear, ponaris, medical grade sesame oil
So what we just let people kill themselves because some people get ens?
@@midgetgorillagaming wait what?
When you say about not doing turbinate procedures. Sorry was just saying that rhintis and the issues around it can also cause the anxiety.
Expand your maxilla and you won't have a collapsing nasal valve.
went to doctor.. oh you need surgery again.. I'm like I just had a rhinoplasty. I still can't breathe. I was jolting up, getting like 3-4 hours a sleep, nose was dry.. I was like a second surgery? no thanks I'll live with a nasal strip lol
@@thinline8504 ask for the surgery summary and see if they reduced your turbinates. Whatever u do, don’t get a second turbinate reduction
@@ChrisPetrone doctors don't listen. In addition to my many problems in my 30s... I also have facial paralysis from wisdom teeth extraction which cause me to develop TMD lol..I just wear a snore guard which helps my airway little, and nasal strips, and sleep with a fan, and humidifier on 24-7. I always tell my girlfriend if I was soo religious I would have taken my life at this point.. see no point in living.. 🥹
Hm ur def scaring ppl away from a procedure . I have had a successful procedure done…
@@valerievilla5862 everything I said is 100% verifiable fact. Period.
Right now, I have deviation of septum and enlarged bilateral turbanites. I still don't know my future. It's very dark.
I'm in your shoe and I was on the edge of losing my life. I just want you all to try Fox tail millet and brown top millet diet. Three days fox tail millet and three days brown top millet.