LAND ROVER SMART KEY NOT FOUND NO START DIAGNOSIS
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- So I had this 2011 Land Rover Range Rover Sport towed into my shop. The vehicle was a no crank / no start and had a message "smart key not found refer to handbook" on the instrument cluster. So I decided to share my journey with you of troubleshooting the cause of this problem. I think you may find this interesting and useful especially because this involves diagnosis of the can bus communication system.
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I have an LR4 with a failing battery which AAA seem unable to diagnose correctly. As a result the voltage lines to all the electronics are affected when trying to crank the engine. This glitched the smart key system causing it to hang, and not being able to start the vehicle at all. This solved the smart key read problem. I guess it's a hard reboot to the system in removing the fuse and reconnecting it again. This video saved towing and paying through all orifices to a Land Rover dealership. Thanks and good work!
first you pulled the wrong fuse
David Patrick doesn't matters as he went the right and logical direction
And probably used the wrong tool to do it !
Exactly! He pulled Fuse 5 as opposed to Fuse 17 - jeeez, like you'd want him working on your pride & Joy!
@@moonpunk Fortunately, it seems these things aren't anyone's pride & joy. From this & other experience, they're getting the basics wrong !
@@Airman.. maybe not. Had he pulled F17 and not F5, that might have fixed his problem there and then!
He didn't follow his own process. He also mistakenly said: "... Reinsert the 17 amp fuse.."
You find F17 and pull out F5. Great to see you find the fault though.
Dude thank you so much I had a similar issue after I washed my vehicle (2011 RRS HSE Lux edition). Took apart the back panel like you did, unplugged the "black box", didn't see any water or corrosion but once I plugged it back in everything worked fine! Also, my key fob is old and busted which is why I first assumed it was a key fob issue... It was not. This solved my problem thank you again!
I'm having the same issue with my 2010 range Rover, tried everything you did here but still won't crank ,😭
What ended up being the fix
Well done range rover for mounting units upside down 🤦🏻♂️
I was always taught to mount wires out if bottom so water doesnt enter.
Who owns Range Rover now? The poor Engineering and design choices hardly surprise me. I can only image that poorly written software behind it all.
@@jd3497 this was during the bmw ownership era. The L322 range rover shared a lot with the e53 x5 (another problematic vehicle) even down to all the components in that same left rear area.
@@jd3497 Tata owns them now. Indian company i believe.
A 2011 is pure JLR. Last Ford version was 2009 I believe. Tata may own JLR but these units for NA are still designed and built in the UK. I have a 2000 and a 2008 RRSC. No unusual problems with either.
Some people saying he removed the wrong fuse. No! Watch carefully, He removed the correct fuse #17. It's a 5 Amp fuse not #5 fuse.
Simple solouton ...buy a Land cruiser
There is a back up slot for the smart key under dash for emergency start from the dead fob battery.
Good mechanical engineering schools alway produce the best engineer.........
Awesome video man it looks like it’s coming in through the roof drains that’s typical for those and Cadillacs
Great video and documentation. Keep them coming!
Thank you!
@@ADVANCEDLEVELAUTO do you are a badass to find that module like that
Lots of work to find the problem. But you might have gotten lucky.
You pulled F5, not F17 (freeze frame the fuse layout). 'IF" pulling F17 "might" have generated a logical reset in the system, it may have started fine giving you a false fix.
Then, if you found no further problems at the time you might have delivered back to the customer, only to have the problem show up when it got wet again, leaving you with a come-back or worse (a bad reputation if they decided to take it elsewhere). It happens to a lot of us.
Well done video. Thanks for sharing.
P.S. I wonder if the KVM problem that's being investigated might be the caused by this same issue of water getting in the Parking Aid Module. It 'would be intermittent', and changing the KVM wouldn't fix the problem. 🤔
You might be correct. It can be difficult sometimes when I’m trying to film and work at the same time, so I wouldn’t be surprised if I pulled the wrong fuse. I’ll have to go back and check the fuse layout on the video. Thanks for the heads up!
Doubt it would have provided a false fix. The can bus signal was completely messed up. Other than the wrong fuse identification, this ended up the right way and in this situation i don't think pulling the correct fuse would have changed the path taken.
Great diagnosis, Im glued to your channel. 👍
Diagnosis: its a land rover
Wish I could give you 100 thumbs up.. I had this issue in the discovery 4 (driving me mad) but the 1 minute fuse replacement worked for me. 😃🙌🏾 Thank you for the video..
Just sorted mine by removing fuse 17 and replacing, thanks for the advice
You are awesome I'm New in the channel tank you for that
Land Rover. One of the worst makes to work on. Great find! Heck of a job!
I agree! Thank you!!!
looks as if the CAN bus can wreak havoc with our 'newer' vehicles...thanks for your insights !!!
Can't believe you guys can actually criticize this gentleman's effort to help thousands of people for free. You go to the dealer with this and it will cost $2500 to $5000 by the time they are done, trust me I know first hand. Wish I had seen this before. This video is amazing and all I can say is wow. EXCELLENT WORK SIR. And by the way, that corrosion will shut everything down eventually. Dealer tried to clean it up for me and still will not work. Its obvious water and electronics don't mix well. I had all the same symptoms with the radio, navigation and dashboard going out after the rain. It was caused by the Phillips Auto Glass after they changed my windshield. Had the dealer replace it since the car was already there.
It's called doing your job...Utube makes it look easy....you can edit out all the time looking for causes
You make honor to your name, "Advanced Level Auto".
Obviously some things never change. I have the 2014 Range Rover Sport and it has got a rear quarter glass or liftgate seal leak, which has run down inside and taken out the Differential Control Module. Great design and engineering foresight caused the factory to mount the module upside down, which then makes the pressed metal cover form a cup just perfect for rainwater collection. Still waiting for the new part to get here after the attempted shafting by the local RR importer.
I’ve had five Land Rover vehicles and all were unreliable!. They look good but poorly built and plagued with electrical problems.
Another fantastic video from you guys, I am really enjoying it.
Well done man. I got to ask, how and where did you get the how the correct waveform should look like?
Wow. What a find! I c u broke out the old Maxi Das. Still a very capable tool. I like how u went to the com lines. I learned a lot in this one. For me, never work on a Range River, I mean Rover.
Thanks for watching!
a tip for anyone, thja red tool is there specificly for pulling fuses
Also, pulling the right fuse sometimes helps. In this case he pulled the wrong one
Yeah but they suck. Pliers work better.
Bro saved me a lot of money thank u for the tips..unplugging the battery for 30 min did the job for me..
Like Keith says, European made look for the water.
I wish I would've known about Keith's videos at the time lol
Stupid design, why not mount the module upside down? It probably requires longer wires then. I know that does not stop water from getting into that cavety but it sure will stop the connectors from getting wet.
Hi Sr. I have the same problem “Smart Key not found”, when I put the diagnostic tool it show “Lost communication with TCM” and “No communication with Transfer Case Control Module”. Help me please
Car model: Discovery 4 [L319] 2010
My name is Vic, please I need your help, my LR4 Discovery is not starting. It's been 2 weeks now my mechanic don't have a clue here in Africa. The system is detecting crankshaft sensor error. We tried fix another one but still it refusing to start. I am getting so frustrated with this. I need advice plsease
Hi brother I have a similar issue with my 2019 Range Rover sport HSE. It will not start and the same key fob not recognized message pops up, I tried changing the battery and basic diagnosis. If you have any idea what can cause this let me know.
Absolutely spot on diagnosis. Great find, goes to show that when bundling the systems together and they all relies on a good line of communication that any disturbance can rear it's ugly head as a no start.
Exactly!
Could I have advanced level auto phone number please
Now I have a 2012 Range rover sport. And for some reason my back up camera isn't coming on. Does it work with a fuse and could the fuse be the problem? Or can I just disconnect my battery like you did in this video to reset everything to get it back working? And keep you great to know videos come to us here on TH-cam!
Hello, I have a Range Rover with the same problem. I can start it if I put the key below the steering column. Do Where do you work, if you are close enough, I will bring it to you for your services.
I’ve got a 2010 Range Rover Sport in the shop currently with the key not detected issue. Any way I could shoot you a DM somewhere and ask a few questions?
Hiii...if in case, the ECU is our problem and we disconnect the ECU...but if we disconnect the ECU, the car will totally shut off nd there will be no CAN signal nd the car will not start in any case, then how will we diagnose this situation??? Or will the signal be there even if we disconnect the ECU?????
Oh man, I have this issue but unfortunately its not a water leakage issue, its just some module that has decided that its had enough. Now I am racking my brain to track down this module and I don't even know if its not just a bad KVM because the SDD tool shows only the BCM and IPC modules as running. Hard to track down when you can't put the ignition in the on position!
Missed a step before pulling the fuse. Check the CAN bus. LOL Stupid leaking cars!!!
I have a 06 RR and my leak was coming from the sunroof not seated properly and shorting out the Bluetooth module.. SMH
Interesting video, a good one to keep in mind. As others have already said though, you pulled the wrong fuse which could have completely messed with your direction of diagnosis, but luckily it had nothing to do with that land rover bulletin you found anyway.
It's another one of those weird looking European swimming pools that looks like a car.
A very very useful video! You worked hard to find that obscure fault. Well done and thanks for posting this video.
Maybe it didn't work because the one you removed was number 4, the one below is number 17, greetings 😂
My RR did that however it turned out to be the remote keys battery was so flat it didn’t work..! Thank god a new one resolved it..! 😂
My 2005 lr3 sterts but after a while driving around i turn it off and it won't start ..ibhave to wait about 10 to 15 minutos for it to start again..key fob??
The model of the Range Rover is wrong that is a full size Range Rover model L322 not a sport model
Man this is a good 1 brother.. please keep your videos this long makes me think as I’m watching
Thank you!
My range rover vogue 2016 start but after 3 minutes all light dashboards are off please what is a problem
I need help .. I have a land rober range robert 2009 sport but the alarm light does not stop flashing even when I insert the key it locks and I leave it for a day and it turns on again it does not unlock and sometimes if it unlocks someone already had the same problem i need your help
Iam new to this channel.I have a 2018 range rover autobiography the smart key doesn't lock unlock the car when start the car while the smart key is in my pocket it won't start rather it need to stick the key to steering column so i want someone''s help thanks.
3:35 you remove rong fuse .. the told 17 and you remove number 5 or 6
Great job have 2005 hse sport aftermarket key all funtiontions work but wont start
hellow sir which software you followed the repair manual for this fault?what's the software name on Laptop you readed repair manual
Don't buy that Limey junk.
Anyone know how to open the glove box without damage while my keys don't work?
And when u disconnected the wires where the water was going in do u need a auto programmer to program the wire back to car?..
Best to not own a car model who is famous to have lot of problems!
2011 Toyota Vensa where's the fuel pump relay and fuse
Excellent work man! Extremely impressed by your video! Thank you for your time! Question, What would you say an estimate of the cost of repair would be? I understand you did not fix the leak, but an estimate of everything would be great! thank You!!
Are you located anywhere near los angeles have a similar problem near culver city
I do crank problems sometimes, very mody .under son and hot day be good
Good Job. I'm having similar issues with my range Rover HSE starts and off in seconds any solution.
Sell it bro scotty says so
You pulled f5 fuse 😂
got this problem on my Freelander intermittently - can you help
How do you make a Range Rover even less reliable? Add a super-charger.
You pulled the wrong fuse. You pulled f5 instead of f17
Dam bro where you been, haven’t seen any new videos in a while, hope all is well
👍👍👍👍
Will this work on a 2010 Range Rover sports
In European cars, I always look for the water. Regards.
The customers first problem is it is a Land Rover
I'm having the same issue did he ever found out how the water is getting in
You pulled the wrong fuse out 17 is the 5 amp fuse to the left
I have like problem but can not find thr fault
Where are you located.. I appreciate this video…
It is goob men but the fuse you remove was number 5 not 17
lol glad you figured it out but you pulled out the wrong fuse 😂
yo bro I believe you just pulled the #5 fuse ..@ 3:33
I hope customer appreciated your service and didn't cry when you billed them. Also you needed to be paid whatever you asked. Some people just don't understand how involved these job get all the time... great video..
Common for water ingress on the RRC and Lr3/4. Their answer is to wrap the area in a plastic membrane.
It's been years
What year model is this and would be the same on any others?
great video thanks a lot for sharing, having a similar problem w jaguar and seems to have same body and parking aid modules.
Thanks buddy. That was useful for me👍
Awesome! Thank you!
He didnt pull the #17 fuse.. He pulled the one next to it...
Where did the other shop find the water leak ?
I never really followed up on that. Though, I do believe the sunroof drain may have something to do with it. but I am not sure if any sunroof drain lines run through that rear part of the vehicle.
Thanks for the reply. I agree that the sunroof drain probably had something to do with the corrosion. That’s why I don’t own cars with sunroofs - too great a potential for water leaks.
Don't have a range rover but still a good watch
Hi, thanks for your video I watched it and was very interesting, although it never help me as I’ve lost my keys and car is dead locked ( no spare 😭), I have liked and subscribed now going to watch your other stuff, happy new year anyway 🎉 from Edinburgh Scotland 🍻🏴
Today in my workshop i received landrover vouge 2010 ,4.4l diesel i faced same problem i also disconnect parking aid module but car was not start.in my car their is 2 fault code after scanning in bcm :- lost communication with instrument panel and lost communication with kvm so what can I do ?
Please help!!!!! 😩 I have the exact same vehicle and we have done all the things in the video. Like the fuse, spider clips on the unhooked battery terminals and unplugging the 3 clips in the parking aid module (started only one time) doing that. Still won’t recognize the smart key. Car is stuck where she sits. 😫 can you offer anything else to try?
I heard horror stories about poor Land Rover reliability but took the plunge and bought a CPO 2012 LR4 (7 years from time of service/100K bumper-to-bumper warranty, which gave me comfort) and had zero problems with it. Then we bought a 2016 Range Rover Sport and again have had no electronic problems (but the rear hatch sometimes won't close tightly using the motor and has to be slammed shut, which I think is a strut or gasket misalignment); it's a great car. Yesterday we bought a Range Rover (CPO). I think reliability of Land Rover in general has improved significantly since the marque moved away from Ford and Tata Motors invested billions in the company. Service at the dealership has been good. This is in contrast to my 2015 F150 with the 3.5 Ecoboost which developed gasket leaks just after passing out of warranty requiring a complete engine rebuild that took three weeks for return to service.
Excellent find
he needs to off it right after fixing. land rover is sh*t
Only ever lease a Land Rover product id never own another outside of manufacture Great content my man 👍
Desgaree mines been good to me
This comment is neither here nor there but he used a pair of pliers yet the fuse puller was right there.. :)
Hi Bro, I bro I had the same issues with my 2011 Ranger Rover. I had water getting in from the sunroof that damaged all the modules. That was a good way to diagnose.
I would wager the leak is coming from the tailgate as these are a known weak point on most Land Rover/Range Rover products. Especially if the drainage is compromised ir ‘overwhelmed’. Another possibility may be from the sun roof or roof bar areas. Range Rover trunk areas are favourite areas for placing sensitive equipment and these issues could also be caused by an over zealous ‘valet’ as I experienced with an 2009 TDV8 which affected the compressor electricals which were located in the spare wheel compartment below the trunk floor. All in all a great diagnosis.