Douk Class-A Dac/Amp - A Value-Driven $60 Alternative For Your Beyerdynamic DT880 (600 Ohm)
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I do not always agree with your reviews but in this case I definitely have to thank you for bringing this little DAC-Amp to our attention. I own some of the gear you mention including the DT880/600 the Soncoz and since some days the Douk as well. Among other amps, I also own the "dangerous" A100 and the Beyer A20 but I am not using them for the DT880. I modded the DT880 balanced to drive it with my THX789 (and now with my new amp: the Topping A90) and I am very happy with it that way. Out of curiosity, I ordered the Douk and it is really surprisingly good. It has no issues driving the 880 and all my high impedance "vintage" cans (several AKGs/Beyers in the 600 Ohm range) and it sounds quite "rich". The DAC is a bit limiting the performance with its 48/44kHz and 16bit but it is perfectly OK for casual listening. The biggest surprise for me is that the Douk powers with ease my vintage Pioneer SE700 which is an extremely low-sensitivity piezo-electric headphone from the 70s for which I need the "jumpered" A100 to power it decently. If only the Douk wouldn't run so hot (really hot ! about 70 Centigrades), I would definitely recommend it as a must-buy for everyone to test it before getting any of the expensive gear for (very) high-impedance cans.
it works, but how does DT880/600 compare A-100 vs A90 vs A20 vs Douk? I'm really curious abou this.
(funny they all happen to have the same naming scheme 😂)
Hi, @Thomas Fritz! Just bought one of these and it really runs hot!! Is your's working good?? Also What does the ON/OFF function? Mine stays ON .....despite pressing one side or another.... Thank you!!
I noticed you have an Audeze Deckard. I owned that and the magni 1 at the same time. I could never tell the difference with my LCD-2s, so I sent the Deckard back and still use the magni 1 to this day.
I got the Deckard a while ago when I was a huge Audeze fan...I was naïve back then. I like my Deckard, though it is very limited in power and usability. It's just a collector's item for me.
hope to see more cheap gear reviews like this, we could have some good surprises.
Have you tried the DT880/600ohm on the Bellari tube amp? Their spec sheet is confusing -- to me at least -- saying headphone out impedance is "8 to 2000 ohms". I'm curious how the 880 works on that thing.
Meanwhile, nice review. I can't see buying a Cayin (et al) for this particular headphone, either. More cheaper is way gooder!
Yeah, I asked Bellari about that specific question. I never got an answer I understood...something about providing constant resistance from 8 to 2000 ohms...aaaand I can't understand how that works. I don't remember if I tested on the Bellari, and I can't find any mention of whether I did or not in my notes.
You should try a 120ohm impedance adapter. I’ve tried one with my magni 3+ and works excellent with my dt990 600ohm. They’re less then $10.00 on eBay or AliExpress. Would make for a interesting video.
Do you have a link?
www.head-fi.org/threads/impedance-adapters-cables-explained-listed.601669/
www.ebay.com/itm/IMPEDANCE-RESISTANCE-ADAPTOR-3-5MM-TO-6-35MM-PLUG-/303354532885?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292
US $7.50 | FENGRU Earphone Impedance Plug Conductor 30/80/120 ohm Noise Cancelling adapter 3.5mm Jack for Hifi Player Music Plug
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What does it do?
@@NoThemeReviews do these adapters actually fix anything or is it snake oil?
Any chance of comparing the standard version 880 600ohms with the black versions pads, and vice versa, I understand the pads lead to different measurements and a more warmer sound.
I've kept my eyes open for another 880. But they're currently $200, and although I think the comparison would be interesting, that price is just too high to satisfy my curiosity. If I find one for about half the price I'd likely pick it up.
@@NoThemeReviews good to hear, if/when that time comes I look forward to that video
Whats the cheapest bits I'd need to get a 880 pro 250 ohm running?
The inside of that thing looks an awful lot like my cMoyBB that surprisingly does a pretty great job of powering my DT880 600’s. Have you ever tried one of those with these headphones?
Too bad there is no way to use another DAC with the Douk.
I really think you are onto something here with regards to damping factor. I recently started trying the headphone out on a few receivers/integrated speaker amps I had around and one of the best amps I have ever found for these headphones is my Marantz SR8400/U1B (in my small amount of experience and not counting a WA7 fireflies I heard them on at a meet once). No idea what the impedence or power output are but I assume it may be in line with what you have found works well. It sounds completely otherworldly with that amp!
Almost everything else I have tried with the DT880’s just sounds strained and with loose bass as you describe.
Keep up the great work!!
Funny to come across this video when earlier tonight I was just looking at audio gear on ebay and in ebay seller stores. I came across Douk's store and saw this little dac/amp combo with that giant heat sink on top and it peaked my interest. If it truly is a class A amp it's a very inexpensive way to experience that class A sound everyone is always going on about. It may not be the best out there but is a foot in the door so to speak. Thank you for the honest review, as always, and when I gather up some spare change for it's $60 asking price I may just get one for the heck of it...
Wouldn't the a100 technically work 'better' (for the 600ohm 880) with the jumpers NOT installed? Given the series resistors are in place, wouldn't this equal higher output impedance?
that amp already researched and in my country I can't send it here, on amazon es it has more nobsoun and more douk audio but not this one in specific
Same here
I have come back again for this review!!! I wondered if I have the ifi idsd, do I still need this amp??? thanks a lot!!!
not on douk website
It VERY VERY HOT!! Whole, not only heatsink. Even without connected headphones. After 20 min I unable to touch with hand. And easy clip one channel (approx 60-70Hz and less). I opened it. There are 2 parts that are attached with a thermal sticker to the other side of the case than the heatsink. Absurd..
But maybe my copy is just with a good thermal paste :-D.
how do the 880s sound on the Zen DAC?
I don't understand your question. If you're asking whether the Zen Dac provides enough power to drive the 600 ohm 880, the answer is no.
And Fiio K5 Pro or creative soundblaster X G6?? Can drive 600 ohms headphones?
Hi, if anyone can help, is it normal the unit runs so hot? Also What does the ON/OFF function? After plugin it to power, mine stays ON .....despite pressing the button one side or another....
Hello @No Theme Reviews! Just bought one of these! What does the ON/OFF function? Mine stays ON .....despite pressing one side or another....
Sir ifi xcan or ifi black label?
For what?
To power the dt880 600ohm?
@@johnparkerzabala Neither. Those don't have sufficient output impedance. You'll never be able to drive the 600 ohm 880 properly.
Big heatsink. Does it get hot to the touch?
Also, I personally have a (technically Class A) 90$ smsl sAp-1. Not hot to the touch. Smooth, analog-sounding, but not neutral: Lacking sub-bass, treble (around 5k?), and "air" (above 10k) therefore lacking soundstage too, compared to my JDS Atom amp.
It gets a bit warm, but not scalding hot. Frankly, it's no different from most desktop amps.
It VERY VERY HOT!! Whole, not only heatsink. Even without connected headphones. After 20 min I unable to touch with hand. And easy clip one channel (base).
nice review mate,would reccomend this to me for my ATH R70X with its 470Ohm? im considering between this and X6 mk ii
No, I don't think so. The R70x just requires a lot of power, and I don't think the Douk is quite up to it. I think you're better off with something like the Magni.
as per usual, thanks for striving for objectivity in a field dominated by those who conduct improper listening tests, or are otherwise misinformed on the topic at hand. perhaps i'll pick one of these up to compare with my 789! do u think i would notice much of a difference between the two?
Yeah you might hear a difference, though how much is totally dependent upon your music. I don’t think the 789 ever distorts sub bass, but it is loose. The Douk does distort a bit but I think has slightly tighter mid-bass. It could be 6 in one hand and half a dozen in the other.
If I use this amp with low impedance headphones like m1070, do sound good or damage driver??
Need a cheap alternative amp for m1070.
High output impedance does not damage drivers, at least never in my experience, and I haven't heard of anything like that from others. I don't know if that pairing will sound good to you. If you want a cheap option, take a look at the Fx Audio Dac X6 and Fiio Q1.
@@NoThemeReviews thanks. I got it.
Is there any other recommended DAC amp combo around this price point if you aren’t considering the DT 880?
Sure. The Fx Audio Dac X6 is a good option. It's plenty powerful for most headphones up to 300 ohms.
Hi man, I have used the link you provided, but all the amp is sold out. Do you have any other amp an Dac combo unit to recommend for AKG K240 DF ????
Thank you so much!!!
( it's your one for sale :)? )
What’s your budget and do you want a mobile or desktop amp?
@@NoThemeReviews thanks for replying! Probably between 50-200 dollars, both deaktop or portable both ok, big too big:) amp with DAC Bukit in :) thank you again!!!
@@stevofoo Try the Fx Audio Dac X6, Topping NX4, and iFi Hip Dac.
@@NoThemeReviews thanks you again!!! Great channel!!! Really appreciated!!!
@@NoThemeReviews one more question, are these amp are batter them this 60 dollars amp? :) Thanks again!!!
will this work with the dt990?
Yea
@@NoThemeReviews thanks
Well damn I almost got a lehmann black cube reproduction and that dishes out 0.7W at 600 ohm good fortune that this came out when it did...
Yeah, Beyer's spec sheets are confusing, and they provide explanations in random places on their website. But Beyer says you should not exceed the rated power (100mw) for the headphones. I have many times used much more powerful amps with the 880; the problem is that at some point, the drivers will fail with excessive power input. If you haven't already, you should watch my video on the power requirement for the 880.
@@NoThemeReviews I will thank you just recently discovered your channel and let's just say I'm very impressed so far your method of review is very professional it's very refreshing actually :)
@@NoThemeReviews Just another quick question would this same amplifier or any other amp with high output impedance work for the T1 gen2 or is that a waste of money
@@Poor_Wayfaring_Stranger The T1 doesn't need high output impedance. It uses a different driver design than the DT880. The T1 merely requires sufficient power output from an amp. In my experience, it works great with anything that provides about 150-200mw at 600ohms. The T1 sounds fine with lower output, but doesn't perform at peak obviously--and you can tell the difference between when it is getting sufficient power, and when it isn't. Beyer's spec sheet says that the maximum power is 300mw; I've listened for any differences between an amp that has 150+mw vs 300+mw, and I can't notice much difference in this regard.
Bottom line, if you're thinking of buying the T1, then an amp which provides a minimum of 150mw at 600 ohms should be considered.
@@NoThemeReviews thank you so much that just confirmed my thx 789 for me hahah i might run a tube pre amp into the single ended if I want some distortion in there but otherwise seems to be confirmed fine!
hello, have you tried the dt880 600ohms on ifi zen can?
Yes I have. Please watch the Zen Can review for details. But, yes, the Can drives the 880, but the bass is still a bit muddy and loose
@@NoThemeReviews thanks, I went to see this video, I liked it very much. i don't have zen can but i was thinking of getting it. i have is a sp200 smsl, have any and have you tried it? thanks
@@diogo2t06 I haven't tried the SP200. I think the Can is a far better value than the SP200--which has some build issues and its only major selling point is the pointless THX tech.
it sounds great on the ifi hip dac but doesn't get very loud i have to turn it all the way up and it is loud enough to be pleasing but i want it to be a little louder
So is it good for any headphone?
The 600 ohm 880. And it’ll work just fine for many other headphones if you’re not particular about damping factor.
@@NoThemeReviews do you think it is better to save up a bit more and get a magni/atom/l30 or if you can't. Just get this instead? Ps. Sorry for boring you with questions
@@joshe2420 I think this amp works fairly well, but I'm only recommending it for specifically the 600 ohm DT880. I think the Magni stack will pair far better with many more headphones.
Hi
Do you think dt 880 good for competitive gaming?if no what else do you recommend?
Thanks
I don't game much, and certainly nothing competitive. I can't answer your question, sorry
What amp do you recommend for the dt 880 250 ohm?
Any amp will do. It’s only the 600 ohm variant that has special requirements. For the 250ohm, any modern amp that can provide about 100mw into 250 ohms will be plenty. Beyerdynamic says 100mw is the maximum handling capacity, but you can push the drivers a bit more power without concern. I do not recommend buying more powerful amps for this headphone alone.
@@NoThemeReviews isnt there these 1/8 Rule? By 250 ohms headphone the output of the amp has to have 32 ohms?
@@chrishalle1982 No, that's not what the 1/8 "rule" says. It's not really a "rule" as much as it is a suggestion. If you follow this idea, then the amp's output impedance should be LESS than 1/8th the headphone impedance. So, in this case, LESS than 32 ohms output impedance from an amp. I don't know of any solid state amp that has output impedance remotely close to that maximum number.
@@NoThemeReviews but i saw a TH-camr who said that the dt 880 with 600 ohms sound better on an amp with 100 ohms output than on an regular 32 or 35 ohms amp. I dont know.
@@chrishalle1982 As I explained before, the 600 ohm variant has a special requirement that the other, lower impedance DT880 headphones do not. You asked specifically about the 250 ohm version of the 880.