Apparently the original screenplay for Passengers read like more of a horror movie than what we ended up getting. The fact that Pratt's character woke up Jennifer Lawrence on purpose was meant to be a big reveal later in the film. It wouldn't have made the movie great or anything, but it might have been moderately better.
Brandon Lawrence I read the original script about 4 years ago (easy to find online) and can confirm that this is false. It was always a love story. These guys actually misunderstood her statement - after the release, a video went viral that posited a fan edit in which Jennifer Lawrence was the audience POV character, and it would have been much more like a horror/thriller. The revelation would've been a mid-point twist before we see Chris Pratt's story (waking up, spending a year alone, waking up JL), setting up a more interesting dynamic for the third act. This was what Lawrence was referring to - not suggesting that her character wake up first, but that we follow her character from the start, making Pratt an ambiguous antagonist.
Just making the story from her point of view would have been so powerful. That way the protagonist becomes the victim of this situation, and forces his redemption arc to be so much more earned.
Other than in some small, isolated areas, Comcast and Time-Warner didn't lay down the infrastructure of the Internet. They definitely didn't lay any of the fiber optic cable. (Much of which *still* sits unused after more than 20 years because the cable monopolies don't want to invest in the hardware.) The companies who built the underlying structure of the Internet (most of which was either partially or totally funded with taxpayer dollars) have all gone bankrupt. The remaining ones, like Comcast and T-W, merely bought that stuff for pennies on the dollar at the resultant asset auction, once they were assured of a monopoly for that region. So they have no moral high ground over Netflix or TH-cam when it comes to Internet access.
These guys actually misunderstood Jennifer Lawrence's statement - after the release of Passengers, a video went viral that posited a fan edit in which Jennifer Lawrence was the audience POV character, and it would have been much more like a horror/thriller. The revelation would've been a mid-point twist before we see Chris Pratt's story (waking up, spending a year alone, waking up JL), setting up a more interesting dynamic for the third act. This was what Lawrence was referring to - not suggesting that her character wake up first, but that we follow her character from the start, making Pratt an ambiguous antagonist.
One of my favorite things about EPCD is the run time, it's like a podcast plus bonus video. You don't actually need to watch it to get the information. I love having this in the background while I work.
The way Passengers should have gone, IMO, is start with Jennifer waking up. We experience everything from her POV, including learning the truth about Pratt. Make him squirrelly. However, I'd change a couple things: 1. Have her find there's a third pod open but no third person. After she learns the truth that he woke her up, she also learns there was another person woken up who's since disappeared, a girl. She thinks Pratt's a psycho, and he starts to get painted that way, until we learn the truth: someone else woke him up, too. A girl. The missing third person. There was a problem with her tube, it malfunctioned. She woke him up to try to fix it because he's an engineer. But he couldn't. She died. And he was alone. For over a year. That was when he woke Jen up. 2. At the end of the film, Pratt dies saving Jen. Consumed by loneliness, the film ends with Jen contemplating the same choice the others before her made, as she stares at someone in a pod, about to wake them.
That is WAY better. Honestly I would've been fine with the movie if he woke her up and they started spending time together and liking each other, but it was framed as creepy and suspenseful, and then when she finds out he woke her up, they don't end up falling in love at the end. The rest of the movie is basically her wanting to get away from him but she can't because they're stuck here, until the climax happens at the end. But if they'd just not have them end up together, it would've been better. But your version is WAY better.
1:06 Frasier discussion 7:05 Passengers discussion 12:15 Actors criticizing their own movies 20:12 Great American eclipse 27:55 Disney streaming 38:50 Comments Section
There needs to be a new series where Soren does a "Better Late then Never" review/critique of films (like Amazing Spider-Man). He could also keep it relevant by discussing how it holds up (people were thankful for a new direction after Rami's S3 after all).
I love these, hour-long ones and all. I play and listen to them podcast style while cooking, driving, walking, etc. I always want more at the end. Keep 'em comin', guys. Excellent work!
I don't normally comment and i'm sure no one cares, but I have correction for Dan about Animorphs, granted he's probably not going to check this. 1. The Animorphs got their morphing abilities from Elfangor, not Ax. Ax was Elfangor's younger brother that they met later on in the series. 2. Tobias did get trapped as hawk but eventually regained his morph ability. 3. In the books, Rachel was the one allergic to the crocodile DNA. Cassie was allergic to it in the tv series.
I think Maggie at 8:20 got a bit confused. The point was that Jennifer agreed with critics who suggested to rearrange parts of movie so that the first thing we see is her woken up by Chris but without knowing his background or motivations or that he did wake her up/ That way the movie would have some horror aspects in it and would be overall a better movie.
Cable companies like Time Warner and Comcast still make their money off the fact that to have an internet connection you still have to pay them money every month (for me $70.00), then you still pay for Netflix or other content providers. So Dan's point about cable companies having room to gripe about Netflix and others using the foundation they laid down is a little misguided.
well my point is they get their money from consumers who, if they want to watch Netflix, must first have an internet connection, which they will have to pay for. So Netflix's existence, and other companies like them, encourages people to have an internet connection, and often higher speed internet that is more expensive. Without content providers the internet wouldn't be as enticing, and theoretically ISPs wouldn't have as many subscribers.
Netflix isn't being funded solely by investors. 104 million subscribers/month * $8 minimum (11 if you have UHD) * 12 months = 10 billion dollars/year. They're leveraging 2 billion in debt against more than 2 billion in available cash to pay for their original programming up front. Also, telecoms aren't entrepreneurs. American taxpayers funded their infrastructure building in exchange for fast and affordable access and gave them the freedom to profit indefinitely from the service they provide on the infrastructure we paid for. Cable companies responded by not expanding infrastructure where it was inconvenient and giving us the worst internet in the developed world.
omg dan referencing animorphs might be my new favorite thing. I still remember the one where rachel (I think that's her name) gets split in half and one half is bad and one is good. omg such a good series
Remnants, the series she wrote after Animorphs is also pretty good. Animorphs was a pretty great formative series though. Brutal, yes introspective. I wish they'd republish it so I could get a new set.
Interesting fact here in Canada it is considered a human right to have access to the internet because you need it to find work and most things are digitised now. Like applying for school, government stuff, communication, etc.
I work for the Oregon state DMV. While my views do not represent the organization, let me say were expecting far more than a million people. It'll be a shit-show for traffic. If you don't have lodging already, you will not find it. Stores have been encouraged to pre-order extra weed and extra liquor. It'll be nuts. Also, Sorin, good luck renting a car to the tiny town.
Still love everyone from cracked, BUUUUT Soren's blue shirt makes him look like part of the blue shoe, blue t-rex BLUE EVERYTHINGness of the set and I cant ignore it and want someone to edit his shirt to ANY other colour 🤣 please!?!
It makes me sad how much of a company man Daniel is knowing eventually how screwed over he and others were by his company. He’s a loyal guy. I certainly value loyalty but I’m very wary about the scope. Like it’s good to be loyal to a person, or an idea, something small and manageable. But when you’re loyal to a company or a structure of any kind with so many moving parts, that becomes a huge opportunity to be abused.
Wait, your Netflix subscription includes internet access? The rest of us pay our ISP for net access, and those ISPs have avoided taxes and sustained monopolies by promising that they were making sure everyone would have fast, reliable connections.
Yeah, I don't know what the hell Dan was thinking, but the big ISPs are really getting a sweet deal. It's just that they thirst for money like a horror movie werewolf thirsts for blood. They will gladly hold sites, like Netflix, ransom in order to extort more money from us AND from Netflix. They have the FCC in their pocket right now. And furthermore, they aren't even re-investing their excessive profits, or rather they're re-investing very little of it (because all that money gotta go to the boys at the top) and so we still have terribly under-performing internet in the vast majority of the country.
Yeah, I feel like that had to have been scripted and they gave Soren the idiot ball to try to make it work as a talking point. Im sure Netflix invests a ton of money in their high-speed upload capacity.
I was so ridiculously pissed off when they were talking about the technology behind streaming services. They missed so many major things here, ESPECIALLY this. They should understand this so much better, but they don't!!
Netflix eased into the change very gradually, They started with DVD mailers then started offering the digital streaming for free along with a mailer subscriptions. Eventually they severed the tie and made it its own subscription service. One of the reasons Netflix has been able to survive the transition is it still has the very profitable stream of money from it's DVD mailer services which basically nullified the losses on the streaming side during the past five years when they had to spend the money on all that expensive original content and marketing to grow their digital subscriber base.
I wanted to be the protagonist of the old nickelodeon movie Clockstoppers. Where he had a watch that stopped time and could hang out for a bit while fucking around with dance battles and shit....anyone remember that movie?
I'm afraid I don't, but I would want to be Rory Williams from Doctor Who. I know I don't have the constitution to be the Doctor, but I want to go on the adventures. Plus I get to be marries to Amy Pond, an awesome companion. Also, I get to die and come back to life a whole lot. It would be great.
Oh my god I always get so excited for Maggie's answers to the questions, they're always out of nowhere/hilarious/joyful/from a perspective that make me think differently
Nerdwriter did a great video about how Passengers would be much better with a simple edit. Show Pratt's character waking her up & them falling in love first, then flash back to him being all creepy when she finds out.
44:00 Actually... there is a connection between Huey Lewis and Ray Parker, Jr. Huey Lewis was supposed to do the theme song for Ghostbusters, but didn't have the time, so the studio went with Ray Parker, Jr. After the theme came out, Huey Lewis sued Ray Parker, Jr. claiming he plagiarized I Wanna New Drug and they won.
O, Maggie, I feel like I relate to you more and more every episode. The number of times I have been asked about my favorite [insert topic/thing] only to be met with blank stares is probably comparable to the number of times I've listened to Space Ghost's Musical Bar-B-Que and cried laughing. That is to say, many. Many times.
Erik W. S. Jake was the Leonardo, Marco the Michaelangelo, Ax the Donatello, and I guess that leaves Raphael for Tobias, which kind fits. Tobias was my favorite character but his and Rachels story was so tragic...better to be Marco for sure!
This, after hours and OPCD are simply the only reason to remain subcribed to this channel. But if this channel was only the two, I'd still sub. to Craked. Keep, up, the, AWESOME, work!!
Edit: It was nerdwriter1 just so credit is given were credit is due. Ty for the replies! I can't remember who I was watching who actually came up with a better passengers movie. I really wish I did because it was wayyyy better than the movie we got. But the gist of their argument was that It should have started with jlaw waking up and we didn't see all the stuff with Chris Pratt before hand and then the movie would be sorta thrillerish. Can we trust this guy or can we not with a twist that this sorta weird guy is actually the reason she was brought out of sleep cuz he is obsessed with her and was driven crazy in his loneliness. Then when the engine is about to blow he sacrifices himself for her and the ship in a semi-redeeming but still morally gray character way and she's left alone and then she goes crazy and it leaves on a cliff hanger of her waking some other person up to escape the loneliness.
Martin mentions the restaurant they bought in a later episode when explaining how they never work well together, naming it the "stupidest" joint-venture they've ever had, but yes they never had to deal with the fallout. There's also an episode where Martin randomly sings a song to himself that was heavily featured in a previous episode, the one he wrote for Sinatra. Thank you for bringing up Frasier btw
We actually paid for all those cables that Time Warner and all those companies laid. Hundreds of billions of dollars paid for by the American people, not the cable companies.
I LOVE THIS! Their mellow humorous thoughtful intimate way of relating reminds me of hanging out my with my friends in college. I haven't had a good group of friends in ten years
Beez Buzz I just got on TH-cam a like, a couple hours ago and I'm almost done with the video, what is up with people not wanting to watch long videos and disliking? Edit: it's 3:33 pm Central Time where I'm at.
Beez Buzz do you think they realize that downvotes don't affect the video negatively and still count as engagement and therefore actually help the video?? Lmao
bluchismoon I'm talking about people opening up the video as soon as possible just to dislike it. It's fine if you have already watched the content, but my comment was made about 30 seconds after the video was uploaded and the video had 5 dislikes. That made me wonder if people just disliked for no reason and it turns out some people. It turns out it is mainly people liking the feeling of being the first to like, view, dislike or comment on a video from a large TH-cam creator. But this is very problematic because the TH-cam counting system does not update instantly leaving some first comments that are not first as an example. Also many people might have gotten the feeling of being the first dislike, but in actuality they weren't because many other people also did the same slightly before or after. Then a couple seconds later when I got around to opening up the video, TH-cam was able to register the dislikes and display them on my device and it seemed like quite a disproportionate amount compared to the dislikes, but of course much later the like to dislike ratio seems to even out because people are not disliking for no reason and they are finishing the video to give a real opinion on the topic of the video. Of course I don't blame them for wanting to do that because doesn't everyone like to be first. It gives you sense of discovery, but it may seem quite annoying when it constantly being spammed. Thank you for reaching the end of this comment. Sorry, I really do like to write a lot.
The thing about Passengers, I feel like if a famous 'deep' director like Stanley Kubrick came out with that exact same movie, everyone would praise him, saying "it's supposed to look like a happy ending because we're seeing it from the perspective of the captor who's happy because he wanted this in the first place, and the victim who thinks she's happy due to Stockholm syndrome. We as outside viewers are supposed to be disturbed at how clearly wrong their happiness is. Brilliant! Genius! Applause! Applause!"
Love the After Hours reference!! Question: What is a comic book character or novel you Do NOT want to see adapted to a movie or show, in fear of it not living up to the source material.
David Ingracia Difficult to say...most of my faves have been turned into movies before I realized it...like Predestination starring Ethan Hawke is actually "All You Zombies" by Robert A. Heinlein or The Dark Tower.
[Yoshikage_Kira] Not yet. They're starting an ESPN streaming service next year and a film streaming service the year after. At that point, they'll pull all their content from Netflix, which includes LucasFilms, Marvel, Pixar, and more in addition to films made under the Disney name. Frankly, I think it is an antitrust violation. They have such a large share of the content that they can use that market dominence to take the delivery market regardless of whether or not they do it as well as netflix and youtube.
Lucy Murphy it's pretty cool actually, I'm using it right now. I love watching all the old Disney movies. I'll cancel my trial before it expires, though.
OH MY GOD, DAN READ ANIMORPHS?! And he knows all the major, relevant trivia about it?! Holy shit! I thought I was the only one left who still remembered that series! Marco was probably my favorite character too. He was smart, responded to stress with humor, and knew how to inject just enough cynical reality into a situation to keep everyone else grounded. But then, I loved pretty much all the main characters in that series. Even Ax, when he was introduced later in the story. They formed just a nice family/team together.
I disagree with Daniel about the whole "you shouldn't criticise your employer/company publically ever" thing. Hell yes you should if they're doing shitty things. I mean I get not wanting to do it if you worry it'll ruin your career but not if it's out of some messed up loyalty.
Also btw the taling advantage of the internet already being there and whatnot: it's the same with any form of infrastructure, like roads and bridges and so on, this one just happens to be mostly privately maintained.
I really agree with you. I think it can be a bit of a cop out to do the whole movie, get paid, and then suddenly decide that you don't like it. But I definitely don't think you need company loyalty if you're honestly in a situation where you were a part of something that you later realise was wrong or problematic or whatever
I don't have time to watch a full hour either, but youtube knows how far i get into a video, and then when i have time to pick up and finish, youtube starts back up where i left off! Keep these coming, I really enjoy the unscripted stuff more and more.
Netflix is still in the driver's seat because they also have a DVD service that no one can touch. Remember DVD's? So if it isn't on their streaming service, you put it in the DVD queue and 2 days later you're watching it. I kind of like waiting for content 'cause it reminds me of when you had to wait for EVERYTHING to air on its given day. Meanwhile, there is so much streaming content that I'm never without something to watch. CBS Access is going to tank because they expect you to pay and watch commercials. The whole reason to pay is so you don't have to watch commercials. That's why Cable is failing. Commercials. I too hope that Disney's service fails. I have no plans to pay for it or for Hulu, Amazon, etc. As long as everything I want to watch is available on DVD, I'll stick with Netflix.
Excellent movie scores: The Right Stuff, Master and Commander, The Terminator, Lord of the Rings trilogy. Master and Commander, in particular, is an underappreciated gem. The music is old, but some of the scenes are just heartbreaking and the music really helps.
I love DOB so much-- like who in the world is just going to throw Animorphs out there? Like complete confidence-- "I have spent years thinking about this //just in case// it came up." bless his supergeek heart.
Is anyone else extremely mad that Daniel the maniel O'Brian the Lion doesn't know his Animorph trivia? 1: Ax did not give them the power to morph, his elder brother Elfangor did. 2: Cassie was not allergic to alligators, Rachel was.
Daniel Coffman Being mad about someone making a technical error during an off the cuff/unscripted SYNOPSIS about Animorphs does nothing to support the scarce fandom. Technically, he never said that Ax gave them their power to morph, just that meeting up with Ax and getting the power to morph were bullet points of major events in the series. If you take the time to scroll through the comments, you'll see that more people who claim to be Animorphs fans are complaining about what he said, instead of congratulating him on talking about the long dead and mostly forgotten series, which ultimately discourages further discussion and keeps the series dead, because no one is interested in hearing a bunch of nerds argue about which Animorph female had crocodile allergies, though they might be interested by a passionate discussion of fans demonstrating how awesome the series was.
You do realize we're talking about the person who has two entire shows devoted to pop culture pedantry? Three if you count this one. I understand that he studies up on material for skits but, as A. Leander said, he played it up as him definitively knowing. You obviously don't participate in any nerd events, because it's exactly my comment that shines the whole time. That's why everyone is there. There's only one thing nerds love more than trivia and that's correcting people. Seriously, that's the entire point of After Hours. Also, protip, someone saying they're mad about something on the internet usually means they're not actually angry about it, just found it an odd quirk that though them off.
Like some others pointed out, sometime the actors sign up for a specific movie, but there's so much rewritings or input from higher-ups that the movie completely change from what they originally sign on. Quick examples: what the original script of Prometheus, or how Annie Hall was supposed to be a murder mystery with a romantic subplot, but was edited (post shooting) to only keep the romantic storyline. Two movies at opposite ends of the spectrum, but it shows how it can greatly change from when the actor signs the contract to what actually comes out on film. That's why I usually don't have issue with actors (and other people attached to a movie) "complaining" about a movie...the Katherine Heigl of this world not included
Is there any chance a solar eclipse could kill a sitting president? I'm not talking about any president in particular or anything, just a question. But like . . . could it?
Yo Maggie Mae.. you have become my favorite Cracked member throughout watching these EPCD eps. I like the way you think and your sense of humor. Just thought I'd share. And also.. Dan and Soren, you were in a tie for 1st before she came along to discuss things for our entertainment. So in other words, I love this show and all 3 of you guys. Thanks for all that you do.
Is it just me or does Maggie never seem to know what anyone is talking about. Don't get me wrong she gives a good try. But all of her answers to everything seem to be generic filler that is used to move the conversation, without having any knowledge of anything that anyone is talking about in every episode. She's still funny but seems out of place... Great show. Not happy that no one mentioned Romero in a pop culture podcast. But he was an old white guy and this show is not a fan of those lol
From the relative who gave random Disney movies, to the Animorphs reference, to the wish to be a Power Ranger- Dan really hit home with some of my personal experiences.
You could try saying mean things about Cara Delevingne, like "Cara Delevingne? More like Cara Deloser!" Or just talk about how the only reason she has any fame at all is because her insanely wealthy family bought it for her.
You guys didn't lose me with the Fraser stuff. You turned a regular fan into a super fan by bringing up the Mashed Potatoes song by Brak. I have that Space Ghost album they're talking about, and pull up that song on TH-cam from time to time to sing and annoy my friends.
The guy who wrote the Scrambled Eggs song was one of Michael Jackson's backup singers on the This Is It tour. He's also a Dancing With The Stars backup singer. I've met him a few times, he's so sweet! lol His name's Darryl Phinnessee
Tbh, Jurassic Park is one of my favorite movies of all time. Not only was the idea of recreating actual dinosaurs an impossible idea to both the characters in the movie and the audience, but up until that time no one really thought that CGI and animatronics of that quality were even possible.
In the late 80's and early 90's my uncle was an airplane pilot and he would bring us back bootlegged versions of Disney films from his stopovers in Asia....
Apparently the original screenplay for Passengers read like more of a horror movie than what we ended up getting. The fact that Pratt's character woke up Jennifer Lawrence on purpose was meant to be a big reveal later in the film. It wouldn't have made the movie great or anything, but it might have been moderately better.
Brandon Lawrence's I haven't seen passengers yet but it sounds like the twist of Pandorum the Sci Fi horror
Brandon Lawrence I read the original script about 4 years ago (easy to find online) and can confirm that this is false. It was always a love story. These guys actually misunderstood her statement - after the release, a video went viral that posited a fan edit in which Jennifer Lawrence was the audience POV character, and it would have been much more like a horror/thriller. The revelation would've been a mid-point twist before we see Chris Pratt's story (waking up, spending a year alone, waking up JL), setting up a more interesting dynamic for the third act. This was what Lawrence was referring to - not suggesting that her character wake up first, but that we follow her character from the start, making Pratt an ambiguous antagonist.
it wasn't the original screenplay, but a re-edit by a Russian guy (I believe) and it's called "Passengers: Aurora Cut".
That would have been so much more effective and affecting.
Just making the story from her point of view would have been so powerful. That way the protagonist becomes the victim of this situation, and forces his redemption arc to be so much more earned.
Other than in some small, isolated areas, Comcast and Time-Warner didn't lay down the infrastructure of the Internet. They definitely didn't lay any of the fiber optic cable. (Much of which *still* sits unused after more than 20 years because the cable monopolies don't want to invest in the hardware.) The companies who built the underlying structure of the Internet (most of which was either partially or totally funded with taxpayer dollars) have all gone bankrupt. The remaining ones, like Comcast and T-W, merely bought that stuff for pennies on the dollar at the resultant asset auction, once they were assured of a monopoly for that region. So they have no moral high ground over Netflix or TH-cam when it comes to Internet access.
These guys actually misunderstood Jennifer Lawrence's statement - after the release of Passengers, a video went viral that posited a fan edit in which Jennifer Lawrence was the audience POV character, and it would have been much more like a horror/thriller. The revelation would've been a mid-point twist before we see Chris Pratt's story (waking up, spending a year alone, waking up JL), setting up a more interesting dynamic for the third act. This was what Lawrence was referring to - not suggesting that her character wake up first, but that we follow her character from the start, making Pratt an ambiguous antagonist.
Jim Chapman yeah the nerdwriter1 did a video on passengers rearranged
I suggest watching it it is amazing
Jim Chapman Do you have a source of her statement?
EDIT:
Never mind, I found it on Variety. You're right, she claims exactly that.
Good I'm glad that someone has pointed this out, thought I was going crazy
One of my favorite things about EPCD is the run time, it's like a podcast plus bonus video. You don't actually need to watch it to get the information. I love having this in the background while I work.
I approve of the wardrobe decision to match everyone to the scenery, really makes the chairs pop.
My fave part is at 38:58 when it looks like Soren is trying to hold the blue VHS tape.
The way Passengers should have gone, IMO, is start with Jennifer waking up. We experience everything from her POV, including learning the truth about Pratt. Make him squirrelly.
However, I'd change a couple things:
1. Have her find there's a third pod open but no third person. After she learns the truth that he woke her up, she also learns there was another person woken up who's since disappeared, a girl. She thinks Pratt's a psycho, and he starts to get painted that way, until we learn the truth: someone else woke him up, too. A girl. The missing third person. There was a problem with her tube, it malfunctioned. She woke him up to try to fix it because he's an engineer. But he couldn't. She died. And he was alone. For over a year. That was when he woke Jen up.
2. At the end of the film, Pratt dies saving Jen. Consumed by loneliness, the film ends with Jen contemplating the same choice the others before her made, as she stares at someone in a pod, about to wake them.
That is WAY better. Honestly I would've been fine with the movie if he woke her up and they started spending time together and liking each other, but it was framed as creepy and suspenseful, and then when she finds out he woke her up, they don't end up falling in love at the end. The rest of the movie is basically her wanting to get away from him but she can't because they're stuck here, until the climax happens at the end. But if they'd just not have them end up together, it would've been better. But your version is WAY better.
1:06 Frasier discussion
7:05 Passengers discussion
12:15 Actors criticizing their own movies
20:12 Great American eclipse
27:55 Disney streaming
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Lord Trigon thank you!
Thank you!
There needs to be a new series where Soren does a "Better Late then Never" review/critique of films (like Amazing Spider-Man). He could also keep it relevant by discussing how it holds up (people were thankful for a new direction after Rami's S3 after all).
I love these, hour-long ones and all. I play and listen to them podcast style while cooking, driving, walking, etc. I always want more at the end. Keep 'em comin', guys. Excellent work!
I don't normally comment and i'm sure no one cares, but I have correction for Dan about Animorphs, granted he's probably not going to check this.
1. The Animorphs got their morphing abilities from Elfangor, not Ax. Ax was Elfangor's younger brother that they met later on in the series.
2. Tobias did get trapped as hawk but eventually regained his morph ability.
3. In the books, Rachel was the one allergic to the crocodile DNA. Cassie was allergic to it in the tv series.
Yeah pretty much the only accurate thing he said was "Marco turns into a gorilla on the cover of his first book" lol
I think Maggie at 8:20 got a bit confused. The point was that Jennifer agreed with critics who suggested to rearrange parts of movie so that the first thing we see is her woken up by Chris but without knowing his background or motivations or that he did wake her up/ That way the movie would have some horror aspects in it and would be overall a better movie.
Yeah, there's a nerdwriter1 video that really goes into this and it's a big improvement to a just-okay film.
Soren talking about movies from 3 years ago or whenever he finally sees them is a show i would watch, just so you know
Cable companies like Time Warner and Comcast still make their money off the fact that to have an internet connection you still have to pay them money every month (for me $70.00), then you still pay for Netflix or other content providers. So Dan's point about cable companies having room to gripe about Netflix and others using the foundation they laid down is a little misguided.
Mark Segura I agree
not really. who existed first? the internet companies deserve their money and if you want something like netflix, thats an extra not a freebie.
well my point is they get their money from consumers who, if they want to watch Netflix, must first have an internet connection, which they will have to pay for. So Netflix's existence, and other companies like them, encourages people to have an internet connection, and often higher speed internet that is more expensive. Without content providers the internet wouldn't be as enticing, and theoretically ISPs wouldn't have as many subscribers.
Netflix isn't being funded solely by investors.
104 million subscribers/month * $8 minimum (11 if you have UHD) * 12 months = 10 billion dollars/year.
They're leveraging 2 billion in debt against more than 2 billion in available cash to pay for their original programming up front.
Also, telecoms aren't entrepreneurs. American taxpayers funded their infrastructure building in exchange for fast and affordable access and gave them the freedom to profit indefinitely from the service they provide on the infrastructure we paid for. Cable companies responded by not expanding infrastructure where it was inconvenient and giving us the worst internet in the developed world.
I have to agree with Maggie the Space Ghost Musical BBQ is golden.
omg dan referencing animorphs might be my new favorite thing. I still remember the one where rachel (I think that's her name) gets split in half and one half is bad and one is good. omg such a good series
mim l did you also remember that one where it was Rachel who was allergic to the crocodile and not Cassie? Because Dan didn't remember that one lol
Remnants, the series she wrote after Animorphs is also pretty good. Animorphs was a pretty great formative series though. Brutal, yes introspective. I wish they'd republish it so I could get a new set.
In the episode version of the book, it's cassie that's allergic. When he mentioned that, I immediately corrected him in my mind.
thats happened in shows and books since i was in diapers XD
can tell that obvs wasnt that long ago
Please never stop making this show! It's my favorite and I look forward to it every week!
Interesting fact here in Canada it is considered a human right to have access to the internet because you need it to find work and most things are digitised now. Like applying for school, government stuff, communication, etc.
That must be nice. I get Netflix, Prime etc and pay $60 to spectrum for cable alone (just a cell phone in this house)
I work for the Oregon state DMV. While my views do not represent the organization, let me say were expecting far more than a million people. It'll be a shit-show for traffic. If you don't have lodging already, you will not find it. Stores have been encouraged to pre-order extra weed and extra liquor. It'll be nuts.
Also, Sorin, good luck renting a car to the tiny town.
Batman Forever soundtrack was freakin amazing. Introduced me to the Bone Thugs with "Look into My Eyes" and to "Kiss by A Rose."
I knew and loved every song Soren mentioned, did not know they were made FOR Batman Forever. Blew me away, fucking love Smash It Up.
Smashing Pumpkins too. So good.
Kiss From a rose, is By Seal.
Still love everyone from cracked, BUUUUT Soren's blue shirt makes him look like part of the blue shoe, blue t-rex BLUE EVERYTHINGness of the set and I cant ignore it and want someone to edit his shirt to ANY other colour 🤣 please!?!
Nvm EVERYONE is wearing shades of blue 😭
Cracked was pretty good. Nice that the Empty Husk of Cracked can still use this excellent content.
It makes me sad how much of a company man Daniel is knowing eventually how screwed over he and others were by his company. He’s a loyal guy. I certainly value loyalty but I’m very wary about the scope. Like it’s good to be loyal to a person, or an idea, something small and manageable. But when you’re loyal to a company or a structure of any kind with so many moving parts, that becomes a huge opportunity to be abused.
Wait, your Netflix subscription includes internet access? The rest of us pay our ISP for net access, and those ISPs have avoided taxes and sustained monopolies by promising that they were making sure everyone would have fast, reliable connections.
This is what I was wondering, your ISP is still getting your money, you feel bad that they're not getting even more?
Yeah, I don't know what the hell Dan was thinking, but the big ISPs are really getting a sweet deal. It's just that they thirst for money like a horror movie werewolf thirsts for blood. They will gladly hold sites, like Netflix, ransom in order to extort more money from us AND from Netflix. They have the FCC in their pocket right now. And furthermore, they aren't even re-investing their excessive profits, or rather they're re-investing very little of it (because all that money gotta go to the boys at the top) and so we still have terribly under-performing internet in the vast majority of the country.
I was expecting one of them to mention that.
Yeah, I feel like that had to have been scripted and they gave Soren the idiot ball to try to make it work as a talking point. Im sure Netflix invests a ton of money in their high-speed upload capacity.
I was so ridiculously pissed off when they were talking about the technology behind streaming services. They missed so many major things here, ESPECIALLY this. They should understand this so much better, but they don't!!
An hour of Daniel, Maggie Mae *_AND_* Soren talking about stuff and not scripted? YES PLEASE!
Netflix eased into the change very gradually, They started with DVD mailers then started offering the digital streaming for free along with a mailer subscriptions. Eventually they severed the tie and made it its own subscription service. One of the reasons Netflix has been able to survive the transition is it still has the very profitable stream of money from it's DVD mailer services which basically nullified the losses on the streaming side during the past five years when they had to spend the money on all that expensive original content and marketing to grow their digital subscriber base.
GuardianOwl plus it's been around for like 20 years all these wanna be companies seem to be just jumping Into the game
wmascolina 10 years.
Nope look it up, its turning 20 this month.
I've been a subscriber since 2004, so more than 10 years.
I thought I couldn't have a bigger crush on DOB. Then he chose Marco. MY KRYPTONITE.
I wanted to be the protagonist of the old nickelodeon movie Clockstoppers. Where he had a watch that stopped time and could hang out for a bit while fucking around with dance battles and shit....anyone remember that movie?
OH BOY DO I REMEMBER
I'm afraid I don't, but I would want to be Rory Williams from Doctor Who. I know I don't have the constitution to be the Doctor, but I want to go on the adventures. Plus I get to be marries to Amy Pond, an awesome companion. Also, I get to die and come back to life a whole lot. It would be great.
Ariana Cole the sound track was lit
I FELT THE SAME! Still think about it all the time.
Ariana Cole--Childhood favorite lol
Oh my god I always get so excited for Maggie's answers to the questions, they're always out of nowhere/hilarious/joyful/from a perspective that make me think differently
Nerdwriter did a great video about how Passengers would be much better with a simple edit. Show Pratt's character waking her up & them falling in love first, then flash back to him being all creepy when she finds out.
Daniel has some serious Hufflepuff vibes. super loyalty coming out of him.
44:00 Actually... there is a connection between Huey Lewis and Ray Parker, Jr.
Huey Lewis was supposed to do the theme song for Ghostbusters, but didn't have the time, so the studio went with Ray Parker, Jr. After the theme came out, Huey Lewis sued Ray Parker, Jr. claiming he plagiarized I Wanna New Drug and they won.
BrotherAlpha who's they? Ray Parker or Huey Lewis?
Huey Lewis. Although it was technically settled out of court.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostbusters_(song)#Lawsuit
dillwad88 just... Just go look them up
You three could talk about just about any pop culture and I'd listen with joy
"Martha?!? Why did you say that name?"
"I seem to have confused Mary Todd with Martha Washington."
"Oh, that makes sense. Ok, continue."
O, Maggie, I feel like I relate to you more and more every episode. The number of times I have been asked about my favorite [insert topic/thing] only to be met with blank stares is probably comparable to the number of times I've listened to Space Ghost's Musical Bar-B-Que and cried laughing. That is to say, many. Many times.
It's nice they painted Soren's shirt to match the knicknacks
4:40 That is EXACTLY what the song means, didn't everyone already think that?
It made me love it even more.
Now to watch the rest of the show.
Dan talking about Animorphs is my jam.
Also Marco is super cool. And being any other of the main guys would suck.
Erik W. S. Jake was the Leonardo, Marco the Michaelangelo, Ax the Donatello, and I guess that leaves Raphael for Tobias, which kind fits. Tobias was my favorite character but his and Rachels story was so tragic...better to be Marco for sure!
I dont know how anyone can function after that much loss. Much love to him. Much respect.
Speak for yourselves, people. Grab a mimosa, and it's like you're having a nice brunch with friends. I loved the whole thing!
Please never stop this series.
I wasn't expecting Animorphs being brought up! Here's the question I've always wondered. Can they become other humans?
They can, don't like to though... Ethical issues apparently...
there is even a technique where they can blend DNA and become a new person from multiple peoples DNA. That's how Elfangor became Tobias father.
vosco zoozoos And how Ax came up with his human form.
rpgaff2
Isn't Ax's human form a mix from the human animorphs and Tom?
Not to sure about Tom:s
This, after hours and OPCD are simply the only reason to remain subcribed to this channel. But if this channel was only the two, I'd still sub. to Craked. Keep, up, the, AWESOME, work!!
Edit: It was nerdwriter1 just so credit is given were credit is due. Ty for the replies!
I can't remember who I was watching who actually came up with a better passengers movie. I really wish I did because it was wayyyy better than the movie we got. But the gist of their argument was that It should have started with jlaw waking up and we didn't see all the stuff with Chris Pratt before hand and then the movie would be sorta thrillerish. Can we trust this guy or can we not with a twist that this sorta weird guy is actually the reason she was brought out of sleep cuz he is obsessed with her and was driven crazy in his loneliness. Then when the engine is about to blow he sacrifices himself for her and the ship in a semi-redeeming but still morally gray character way and she's left alone and then she goes crazy and it leaves on a cliff hanger of her waking some other person up to escape the loneliness.
Jasmine Cluney the nerdwriter1 did a video on it
THANK YOU!
Jasmine Cluney yeah it was nerdwriter1 and I agree it was waaay better and I think it would've made it a classic
Yeah, I watched the Nerdwriter video before watching Passengers and his version is sooo much better than what we got.
so wait. he does it hes a stalker, she does it its understandable?.........equality!!!!!
Also u can see Michael in the Dave Chappelle Netflix special. He's in the audience.
Their clothes are matching the scenery.
At 57:22 I started shouting, "GETTYSBURG!" at my monitor. I haven't stopped.
"I was pushed into doing this movie."
Translation: "I owe the IRS a ton of back taxes."
I... loved... every minute of this... all 57 minutes... all of them
Martin mentions the restaurant they bought in a later episode when explaining how they never work well together, naming it the "stupidest" joint-venture they've ever had, but yes they never had to deal with the fallout. There's also an episode where Martin randomly sings a song to himself that was heavily featured in a previous episode, the one he wrote for Sinatra. Thank you for bringing up Frasier btw
We actually paid for all those cables that Time Warner and all those companies laid. Hundreds of billions of dollars paid for by the American people, not the cable companies.
I'm surprised none of these people knew that...
I LOVE THIS! Their mellow humorous thoughtful intimate way of relating reminds me of hanging out my with my friends in college. I haven't had a good group of friends in ten years
Nobody as of 9:03 PST has completely finished watching this.
Beez Buzz still hasn't been up long enough to watch all the way through and has 5 downvotes
Robot Chase Yes, it is weird that some people subscribe to turn on notifications just to be able to dislike the video when it comes out.
Beez Buzz I just got on TH-cam a like, a couple hours ago and I'm almost done with the video, what is up with people not wanting to watch long videos and disliking?
Edit: it's 3:33 pm Central Time where I'm at.
Beez Buzz do you think they realize that downvotes don't affect the video negatively and still count as engagement and therefore actually help the video?? Lmao
bluchismoon I'm talking about people opening up the video as soon as possible just to dislike it. It's fine if you have already watched the content, but my comment was made about 30 seconds after the video was uploaded and the video had 5 dislikes. That made me wonder if people just disliked for no reason and it turns out some people. It turns out it is mainly people liking the feeling of being the first to like, view, dislike or comment on a video from a large TH-cam creator. But this is very problematic because the TH-cam counting system does not update instantly leaving some first comments that are not first as an example. Also many people might have gotten the feeling of being the first dislike, but in actuality they weren't because many other people also did the same slightly before or after. Then a couple seconds later when I got around to opening up the video, TH-cam was able to register the dislikes and display them on my device and it seemed like quite a disproportionate amount compared to the dislikes, but of course much later the like to dislike ratio seems to even out because people are not disliking for no reason and they are finishing the video to give a real opinion on the topic of the video. Of course I don't blame them for wanting to do that because doesn't everyone like to be first. It gives you sense of discovery, but it may seem quite annoying when it constantly being spammed. Thank you for reaching the end of this comment. Sorry, I really do like to write a lot.
The thing about Passengers, I feel like if a famous 'deep' director like Stanley Kubrick came out with that exact same movie, everyone would praise him, saying "it's supposed to look like a happy ending because we're seeing it from the perspective of the captor who's happy because he wanted this in the first place, and the victim who thinks she's happy due to Stockholm syndrome. We as outside viewers are supposed to be disturbed at how clearly wrong their happiness is. Brilliant! Genius! Applause! Applause!"
Love the After Hours reference!!
Question: What is a comic book character or novel you Do NOT want to see adapted to a movie or show, in fear of it not living up to the source material.
David Ingracia Difficult to say...most of my faves have been turned into movies before I realized it...like Predestination starring Ethan Hawke is actually "All You Zombies" by Robert A. Heinlein or The Dark Tower.
Berserk. Because they've tried and it hasn't come close to doing the source material justice.
I hung in, and I enjoyed the journey. Keep them coming
Disney has a streaming service?
See you in 13 years, Kira
With nice mickey hands
[Yoshikage_Kira] Not yet. They're starting an ESPN streaming service next year and a film streaming service the year after. At that point, they'll pull all their content from Netflix, which includes LucasFilms, Marvel, Pixar, and more in addition to films made under the Disney name.
Frankly, I think it is an antitrust violation. They have such a large share of the content that they can use that market dominence to take the delivery market regardless of whether or not they do it as well as netflix and youtube.
Lucy Murphy it's pretty cool actually, I'm using it right now. I love watching all the old Disney movies. I'll cancel my trial before it expires, though.
deutschesmaedchen akkkkkiuj
I like that everyone's outfits coordinate with each other and the set this episode. Outstanding.
Ad-supported "free" broadcast TV and internet streaming are the future/past utopia
OH MY GOD, DAN READ ANIMORPHS?! And he knows all the major, relevant trivia about it?! Holy shit! I thought I was the only one left who still remembered that series!
Marco was probably my favorite character too. He was smart, responded to stress with humor, and knew how to inject just enough cynical reality into a situation to keep everyone else grounded.
But then, I loved pretty much all the main characters in that series. Even Ax, when he was introduced later in the story. They formed just a nice family/team together.
I disagree with Daniel about the whole "you shouldn't criticise your employer/company publically ever" thing. Hell yes you should if they're doing shitty things. I mean I get not wanting to do it if you worry it'll ruin your career but not if it's out of some messed up loyalty.
Also btw the taling advantage of the internet already being there and whatnot: it's the same with any form of infrastructure, like roads and bridges and so on, this one just happens to be mostly privately maintained.
I really agree with you. I think it can be a bit of a cop out to do the whole movie, get paid, and then suddenly decide that you don't like it. But I definitely don't think you need company loyalty if you're honestly in a situation where you were a part of something that you later realise was wrong or problematic or whatever
This has quickly become my favorite thing on your channel!
28:00 is what you came for
I don't have time to watch a full hour either, but youtube knows how far i get into a video, and then when i have time to pick up and finish, youtube starts back up where i left off!
Keep these coming, I really enjoy the unscripted stuff more and more.
I haven't seen Passengers, but why in scifi is there never a contingency plan for if the pod opens prematurely?
Daniels face when Soren says "Batman Forever" is the best!
Netflix is still in the driver's seat because they also have a DVD service that no one can touch. Remember DVD's? So if it isn't on their streaming service, you put it in the DVD queue and 2 days later you're watching it. I kind of like waiting for content 'cause it reminds me of when you had to wait for EVERYTHING to air on its given day. Meanwhile, there is so much streaming content that I'm never without something to watch. CBS Access is going to tank because they expect you to pay and watch commercials. The whole reason to pay is so you don't have to watch commercials. That's why Cable is failing. Commercials. I too hope that Disney's service fails. I have no plans to pay for it or for Hulu, Amazon, etc. As long as everything I want to watch is available on DVD, I'll stick with Netflix.
Love this show. Thanks for putting it together, folks!
I'm still playing pokemon go...
Me too. Hyped about mewtwo!
i will pray for your soul
Me too. The town I live in is so small that no one else does, so I can't catch the legendaries in raids.
I just beat Pokémon Stop.
Excellent movie scores: The Right Stuff, Master and Commander, The Terminator, Lord of the Rings trilogy.
Master and Commander, in particular, is an underappreciated gem. The music is old, but some of the scenes are just heartbreaking and the music really helps.
I love DOB so much-- like who in the world is just going to throw Animorphs out there? Like complete confidence-- "I have spent years thinking about this //just in case// it came up." bless his supergeek heart.
the space ghost musical bbq is amazing, my dad used to play it for me and my sister when we were kids
Is anyone else extremely mad that Daniel the maniel O'Brian the Lion doesn't know his Animorph trivia?
1: Ax did not give them the power to morph, his elder brother Elfangor did.
2: Cassie was not allergic to alligators, Rachel was.
Daniel Coffman yes that was awful to listen to. He's usually so much better than that with this stuff. He should've kept on pretending to be humble.
Daniel Coffman Being mad about someone making a technical error during an off the cuff/unscripted SYNOPSIS about Animorphs does nothing to support the scarce fandom. Technically, he never said that Ax gave them their power to morph, just that meeting up with Ax and getting the power to morph were bullet points of major events in the series. If you take the time to scroll through the comments, you'll see that more people who claim to be Animorphs fans are complaining about what he said, instead of congratulating him on talking about the long dead and mostly forgotten series, which ultimately discourages further discussion and keeps the series dead, because no one is interested in hearing a bunch of nerds argue about which Animorph female had crocodile allergies, though they might be interested by a passionate discussion of fans demonstrating how awesome the series was.
You do realize we're talking about the person who has two entire shows devoted to pop culture pedantry? Three if you count this one. I understand that he studies up on material for skits but, as A. Leander said, he played it up as him definitively knowing. You obviously don't participate in any nerd events, because it's exactly my comment that shines the whole time. That's why everyone is there. There's only one thing nerds love more than trivia and that's correcting people. Seriously, that's the entire point of After Hours. Also, protip, someone saying they're mad about something on the internet usually means they're not actually angry about it, just found it an odd quirk that though them off.
Daniel Coffman Your reply doesn't really make any sense, but good effort though.
you certainly do sound like youve got your panties in a knot, Daniel.
Like some others pointed out, sometime the actors sign up for a specific movie, but there's so much rewritings or input from higher-ups that the movie completely change from what they originally sign on. Quick examples: what the original script of Prometheus, or how Annie Hall was supposed to be a murder mystery with a romantic subplot, but was edited (post shooting) to only keep the romantic storyline. Two movies at opposite ends of the spectrum, but it shows how it can greatly change from when the actor signs the contract to what actually comes out on film. That's why I usually don't have issue with actors (and other people attached to a movie) "complaining" about a movie...the Katherine Heigl of this world not included
Is there any chance a solar eclipse could kill a sitting president? I'm not talking about any president in particular or anything, just a question. But like . . . could it?
mark lee No. Besides, do you really want a President Pence?
Yes.
Yo Maggie Mae.. you have become my favorite Cracked member throughout watching these EPCD eps. I like the way you think and your sense of humor. Just thought I'd share. And also.. Dan and Soren, you were in a tie for 1st before she came along to discuss things for our entertainment. So in other words, I love this show and all 3 of you guys. Thanks for all that you do.
Is it just me or does Maggie never seem to know what anyone is talking about. Don't get me wrong she gives a good try. But all of her answers to everything seem to be generic filler that is used to move the conversation, without having any knowledge of anything that anyone is talking about in every episode. She's still funny but seems out of place... Great show. Not happy that no one mentioned Romero in a pop culture podcast. But he was an old white guy and this show is not a fan of those lol
I think she's too insecure to really take up space and talk in depth about stuff.
I feel like this should be a podcast.
Maggie is the best
From the relative who gave random Disney movies, to the Animorphs reference, to the wish to be a Power Ranger- Dan really hit home with some of my personal experiences.
Please give me ideas for funny comments, because I'm early and have no original ideas. 😀
You could try saying mean things about Cara Delevingne, like "Cara Delevingne? More like Cara Deloser!"
Or just talk about how the only reason she has any fame at all is because her insanely wealthy family bought it for her.
More like: Cara LeDevine!!
Talk about your balls.
Talk about my balls.
Sounds like you should move to Los Angles and write comedy movies.
Love the show, guys. Keep doing it forever, please! Thanks!
Maggie is awesome.
“Wtf is that?!?”
“You’ve never heard it?!”
“Obviously not when I said ‘wtf is that?!’” 😂😂😂
obscure right-wing podcast
These indivijuls are having some sort of chat situation.
Jason Chaput They are right wing?
These are always really fun to watch, thank you for making them honestly
mae fish is just soo not funny, zero personality except for trying to hard.
I miss regular OPCD
You guys didn't lose me with the Fraser stuff. You turned a regular fan into a super fan by bringing up the Mashed Potatoes song by Brak. I have that Space Ghost album they're talking about, and pull up that song on TH-cam from time to time to sing and annoy my friends.
I love this show so much. Keep up the great work.
18:32 Paul Newman hated _The Silver Chalice_ (1954). It was his debut in film and had an all star cast, but it was really slow.
I love Dan's face when Soren claims Batman Forever as his choice. So hilarious.
The guy who wrote the Scrambled Eggs song was one of Michael Jackson's backup singers on the This Is It tour. He's also a Dancing With The Stars backup singer. I've met him a few times, he's so sweet! lol His name's Darryl Phinnessee
....I realize now it is neither informative nor important that I left this information here. lol
Didn't miss the Star Wars bit at all! Frasier stuff was totally interesting and I paused the video to tell my husband. This was a Great EPCD!
YES! Maggie Mae gets it! Space Ghost's Musical Bar-ba-cue is so very good!!!
Tbh, Jurassic Park is one of my favorite movies of all time. Not only was the idea of recreating actual dinosaurs an impossible idea to both the characters in the movie and the audience, but up until that time no one really thought that CGI and animatronics of that quality were even possible.
Passengers could have been a great horror movie with the twist being that Pratt woke her up on purpose not just an accident.
In the late 80's and early 90's my uncle was an airplane pilot and he would bring us back bootlegged versions of Disney films from his stopovers in Asia....
Thank you for the Animorphs reference. That was basically my favorite thing as a child. Yes.
Animorphs was the best!