The most TRAGIC Hero in Arcane
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ย. 2024
- Jayce isn't quite the hero we expected in Arcane. He's Faced with tough choices and his ambition gets in the way of him making the correct decisions. He wants to play the hero, but can he be in this Netflix Series?
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The irony is, he is an very very passive caracter. He goes with almost everyone who suggest something. Only in the very last moment he becomes active, with the deal with Silco. I still don't know if it was intentional or not.
This! I totally agree! The only thing is I wouldn't use the word "passive" he's very active in terms of actions, but very easy to influence.
Bullshit. The thing is, Jayce is in the center of everything. Everyone wants him to do something different, which obviously result into him taking one of the sides. It doesn't mean he is passive, just that he is very important to the plot and other characters in the show. On the other hand Viktor could be easily removed from act 2 and 3 and the only thing that would change, is that Jayce wouldn't kick Heimerdinger from the council.
@@AppleBaron
The story can revolve around an passive character. He doesn't make many decisions himself, he goes with all the advise any character gives him (except at the very beginning and the very end). That is in line with the description of an passive character:
"The passive character is someone who is led by the plot of the story, who reacts to certain events or plot points but doesn't actively influence the story through decisions or actions and who does not willingly choose to take certain paths in order to change or influence their own future. "
I think you’re mistaking passivity with affability & pragmatism, he listens to advice but only takes it when it aligns with his ideals. He went against the council to pursue hex tech research, against Mel and Victor to introduce new Hextech on progress day, against the professor to continue his and victors research.
I’m not sure what passivity means to you but it certainly does not apply to Jayce.
In fact it is his proactive behavior that forces everyone around him to become reactionary.
@@lompeluiten i still think, imo anyway, hes still "passive". He just quit being "active" as a whole, pushing the job to silco even though he know how bad of a idea that is (he know how the council/everyone would react but still push for it). It's like he's being ye sure whatever do whatever you want, then he can "peacefully" go back to do work with Viktor.
But, honestly, Arcane is about the faults of everyone, not just one character. Paradoxically, it's also about their triumphs.
What i love is that it doesn't make everyone super powerful than the other, everyone's always on the same boat trying to shove each other off it.
"The path to hell is paved with good intentions."
This saying applies to not only Jayce but also Jinx.
For Jayce, it is his Hextech research.
For Jinx, it is her attempt to save her family with an improvised magic bomb.
This really shows how tragic arcane is. It shows us so many times how the best intentions can have terrible consequences.
I think saying it's really Jayce fault is somewhat misleading. What would be more accurate is that Jayce and his hextech was the trigger, or catalyst, for the events of the series. His creation drew lines in the sand, caused events that accelerated the division of Piltover and Zaun, and drew people who were desperate into using his invention for very different purposes than what was originally intended. It's kind of like he opened Pandora's box, and now there's no going back. Yes it all leads back to his experiments with magic crystals, but Jayce had very little to do with what was happening at first, instead it was the polititions and activists. It was only at the end where he became a member of the council that he realized what was really happening. This is no doubt what will trigger a change in his character and motivate him in the future.
Not to mention hex-tech is one side of the arms race, the other being shimmer. Things were unsustainable with or without him and his invention.
@Levatt Wolfheart Yeah in fact hextech actually helped even the odds even if just temporarily.
Without hextech, Piltover never would’ve been able to fight against Zaun’s shimmer. That’s why Silco was so worried about it in episode 4. Hell, the existence of hextech probably forced Silco to push his plans for attacking Piltover back a few years.
@@coltonwilliams4153 Nah Silco didn't really think that Shimmer was enough to defeat Piltover, he admitted it himself in episode 3. Vander said Silco won't win against Piltover with just Shimmer, and Silco said he didn't need to win against them, he just needs to scare them so they won't set foot in Zaun.
It was actually Jayce's sandwich that drew Powder to his hex crystal chest and triggered everything to happen
I feel like people are being too hard on Jayce. It's true his hextech inventions made the situation more complex and arguably worse, but if his Hextech wasn't going to be weaponized, then Silco's Shimmer would be (which was developed before Hextech). The situation would have festered regardless. And people twist Vi's quote. Yeah he was oblivious, but dude just became a Councilor in a week. How could he be held responsible for the state of the undercity when he for like 98% of his life, he lacked the power and authority to change anything.
Well he is disgusting. Not because of hextech, just like a character. Tipical KKK snob
@@ep5265 How did you managed to conclude that?
@@ep5265 He literally never says a single word about race, and he can't bring himself to continue fighting in Zaun after accidentally killing the kid in the shimmer plant despite Vi's insistence. How the hell did you reach the conclusion of "he's a KKK member"?!
@@100organicfreshmemes5 well look deeper. He is priveleged guy who doesnt check his privileges. He kills people who are viktims of thecounsil's decisions (Hermenhitler and others).
@@kilnareth7970 We might be dealing with a bot here
The Undercity was building to an explosion long before Jayce was even born and there is very little he can do to stop it, other than what he did making a deal with Silco. As for Hextech being weaponized, Shimmer was already being weaponized and had been for years. The ChemTanks are just one aspect. We have seen Shimmer powered guns and explosives and I bet there is a lot of other stuff out there in the game that may show up (Chemdragons?). And let's not forget Sevilla. A juiced up cyborg super soldier that took on a Hextech wielding Vi and damn near won. People compare Hextech to a nuke, but they miss that Shimmer is a very powerful bioweapon. sm
if used as weapons, both have the potential to act like nukes
but one was made in hope of saving and improving lives
the other was specifically made to create monsters and weapons for people to be afraid of
yeah, the hextech tools ended up killing people and shimmer ended up saving lives one time or another, but that's because good people managed to use shimmer for good and bad people managed to use hextech for evil, but both were actually variations of the originals hextech and shimmer (shimmer wasn't created to be used as a healing potion but hextech wasn't created to power up rocket launchers either)
so i guess the lesson is, while it does matter if you create something with the intention to be used for good or for evil, it matters even more *who* actually uses it and how/for what he uses it for
nuclear tech is our real world equivalent to both shimmer AND hextech
@@mrkyurem5499 There might be rub with Shimmer though. There is a lot of speculation that it's tied to the Void in LOL. If that's accurate, then H.P. Lovecraft style stuff will be showing up as a result of Shimmer use. Of course the speculation could be wrong. sm
@@mattwoodard2535 😨Oh gods. Please tell me Zaun isn’t going to become Yharnam. I don’t want to go back to Yharnam, man. So many eyes… so many hands… make it didn’t happen… 😱
@@coltonwilliams4153 Naw, we have some idea how Zaun is going to turn out. It may not be great, but it's not going to be an eldritch hellhole unless it becomes one in LOL. sm
@@coltonwilliams4153 if Warwick isn't an example of beasthood then i don't know what is xD
Jinx blowing up the council was likely a bad move on her part, but I never question why she did it. That totally fits with her character to do something destructive without thinking about the consequences.
I'm not even sure she knew they were voting peace :) In my opinion, it's just a bad timing like always :D
@@kervala There are lots or reasons why she shouldn't of done it, even excluding that one. There will be all sorts of fallout from that.
The worst is that Jinx thought about it. She never healed her trauma. She wanted to become a legendary rebelion of Zaun and then disapper in toxic waters of anxiety just like Silco directed.
The most glaring flaw is that for all he wants to do right by the undercity, he doesn't understand the unequal relationship between Piltover and Zaun.
Those mining gauntlets he built is a perfect example.
He built mining gauntlets. A means by which people in Zaun could become more productive workers for the service of Piltover. If he really understood the unequal relationship he benefited from, he would have sought ways to create technology that could be used to clean up the toxins and flooding in Zaun caused by digging that damn canal. The same canal Piltover has been profiting from. But instead, he invented ways for them to be more productive, but still exploited workers.
I'm pretty sure he mainly built the gauntlets instead of something like that because they needed to explain how Vi gets her gauntlets during the first season.
@@100organicfreshmemes5 While this is definitely true, there would be many other ways to justify the gauntlets existing that wouldn't directly tie them to Jayce. The active decision, on the part of the writers, to say "Jayce developed the Gauntlets for the miners in the fissures" instead of all the other justifications they could have come up with, is very much a storytelling one that reflects upon Jayce's understanding of the world.
@@100organicfreshmemes5 They honestly could've kept the original canon on that.
i think you all are overlooking the protective side of the gauntlets and the fact that jayce's family were normal people/workers who helped in the construction of the city, not from a "privileged" family like some of the counselors (altho it seems his family got at least a bit of recognition for the help as indicated by his mother's words on the council in act 1)
saying he only made the gauntlets for the undercity people to be more productive just to "exploit" them more is completely wrong, he made the gauntlets for the miners to work safely, preventing accidents that could even be common, while also honoring his family's legacy
why do you think the gauntlet's shield activates by raising your hand (an instinctive move we do for protection when something is falling from above)?
Viktor's idea for a hextech tool (i'm assuming the hand laser thing was more his idea than Jayce's, the same way that the gauntlets were more his idea than Viktor's) is based on improving efficiency and practicality for artisans (if i remember correctly) so they don't need to use too much physical force to make their work, which ties directly to Viktor's crippling condition and physical weakness (his sickness)
oh and also, Jayce is much more of an expert in mechanics and blacksmith than in chemestry and biology, if anyone should be developing means to clean the undercity's air instead of... creating super-serum drugs and researching immortality... is Singed. And of course, Silco financed Singed in the creation of shimmer, not in the creation of something to purify the air, which would be objectively better to help the undercity and its people, but noooo "the base violence necessary for change" is his mantra.
@@mrkyurem5499 I think you missed the point and the character's reflections on the matter. Viktor says it best, "In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good." and that they both lost their dream. They could have done something better with the time they had, but did not.
For Viktor, it was too late. The disease caught up to him before he would really start addressing it. This made him resort to drastic measures that we will see play out more in the future.
Jayce fell into the Heimerdinger role where he failed to address the fundamental issues surrounding both Piltover and Zaun. Hextech could have been used to bridge the divide between classes, but it ended up making the class divide worse. Piltover's ruling class got stronger, while the lower class citizens of Zaun got weaker.
Also, Jayce is from the middle class, not the worker class (let alone underclass). He even had connections to the upper class due to patronage from Caitlyn's parents.
In regards to the gauntlets and other miscellaneous tools, they are absolutely there to exploit the workers- just, not overtly. You can not exploit someone's labor if they are dead. So, why not kill multiple birds with one stone? Make a tool that protects your laborer pool, makes them more productive for you, and allows you to PR yourself into the moral high ground. It is self-serving for capitalists with slight benefits for the workers.
Heimerdinger says hi. He built Piltover on top of Zaun.
I wouldnt necessarily put the blame on Jayce. Hextech has similarities to nuclear in our universe, where as a resource it is incredibly powerful and useful, but if mistreated or with intent, it can be extremely dangerous and deadly. Jayce wanted to make the world a better place and to bring honor back to his family name, Silco is the one who elevated it to near war. If you want to blame someone, honestly it should be Heimerdinger for his lack of oversight and ignorance into the condition of Zaun, and just focusing all his time on Piltover, seeing as how hes one of the ones that founded the city and hes been alive all this time.
I mean, he was the inventor. My long-term goal as of now is to further develop quantum computers.
What WILL this lead to?:
breakthroughs in almost every scientific field, including physics, chemistry, biology, psychology...
More hacks.
what will the mentioned fields lead to?:
physics: more efficient energy productions, weapons
chemistry: more efficient productions of more effiicent pharmaceuticals, chemical weapons
biology: better ways to help the life on the planet, biological weapons
psychology: better ways to help with psychological diseases, manipulation, weapons
Our history has shown us that at least on a mid-term perspective, most inventions bring more good than bad. And if not, my success could bring the end of humanity.
But yeah, i'm pretty sure quantum computing will be the new nuclear
Jayce felt more like a tool rather than being the problem... It's the council's fault just as Mel's mom said
Jayce definitely is a tool 🤣🤣
Arcane is all the fault of those who created this messed up class division in Piltover and the Undercity. The fault of the council overpolicing, abusing and neglecting the Zaunites. No equality, no opportunity, slums right next to a poncey upper class who can’t be arsed to pretend they exist whilst still claiming authority over them, not representing them or their interests in the slightest. Any negative impact Jayce had was just another product of this crappy system he wasn’t even in charge of, and wouldn’t you know, mere days after being put in a position of power, he does the best thing Piltover has ever tried to do for Zaun: Leave them the fuck alone.
people think capitalism is what keeps people poor
i think they never heard of government
how would you expect a government to help you if all they do is take your money, claim authority over you and expect you to believe they are protecting you and they are doing that for your own good?
best thing Piltover did was indeed leave them the fuck alone, less government on the undercity's neck = less corrupt politicians and enforcers with power over them
well... except Jinx may have jinxed everything... again
but since Zaun is independent in the current Runeterra lore, they will probably give them independence with or without Jinx just to avoid the war
@@mrkyurem5499
Im pretty sure the stories will diverge from now on
So Heimer’s fault then? Man was around since the conception of the city as it’s head councilor and the man did nothing to fix shit.
Jayce is basically the Prometheus of arcane. He tried to pass on the power of Magic to man kind with the intention for good, but ended up only dooming everyone intern.
Prometeus was a good guy. Greek gods were selfish snobs. Do not mistake Prometeus with prometeism.
It's hardly Jayce's fault. The Kids stole his stuff, so that's Vi's fault. The Undercity was already a mess before Hextech made the gap larger, which is Heimerdinger's fault. Also, he and Viktor WANTED to help the Undercity but the Council has been pushing him to build things that only Benefit Piltover which is not his fault either.
Is he helping the situation? You could argue no. But he's not the reason for it all.
I don’t disagree, but honestly I feel really bad for him. He has the best of intentions, but he’s been physically and psychologically isolated from the issues he could solve, and when he finally understands his mistakes, and what must be done for the sake of a better future, when he finally has the ability to truly change the world for the better, he does it. He makes the right call, even if it’s too late.
FIANALLY someone does a vid on my boy Jayce. Honestly I was touched by the title but after taking out the time to hear your points, your right bro. He's a kind of Tony Stark character with the heart of Cap and Arcane really does punish flows for trying to be heroes. Great vid bro really love the point you made that he actually does drive the plot forward. Didn't even realize it till you pointed it out and I was like yeah he does actually. Keep up the great work 💪
Almost every other character: *Suffering from trauma, mental illness, family issues*
Jayce: I had a lot on my plate lately.
I agree it's Jayce fault, but I also noticed that it's almost some other characters fault too :) Mainly Ekko for telling Vi that Jayce bought things at Benzo's and Vi for deciding to steal Jayce :)
*A person of good intentions looks to change the world.*
*A person of good character looks within.*
Apparently he's more of a jinx than jinx herself..
Saying it is Jayce's fault is like seeing the manufacturer of of a car should be held responsible for murder if someone driving that car kill someone
Well said! Jayce wasn’t even in charge of security, yet somehow he’s to blame for jinx stealing their work, despite sharing the same role as Viktor at the time? The problem is that everyone is to blame. Marcus, Caitlyn, and the enforcers’ security breach from Jinx is pitiful. The hexgates were infiltrated with bribery, hence why shimmer was being smuggled. The council has their own problems. Heimerdinger is literally a prominent figure from the very bat. Meanwhile vi and jinx were traumatized seeing their dead parents at the bridge in the filthy smoke, heimerdinger was literally in charge whereas Jayce and Mel are out of the frame. And jinx confirmed her development was all due in part of Vis influence
If Jayce didn't discover hextech, someone else would have done it. Just like how nuclear fusion and fission was inevitable. At least it was first created by someone who had good intentions even though it ultimately lead to more problems. The situation would have been much worse if someone with evil intentions was the one to discover how to recreate magic into hextech.
If you think the tragedies of Arcane can be attributed to the actions and faults of one or more individual characters, you’ve completed missed the point of the entire series.
I rewatched arcane recently and at first glance i was not a huge fan of jayce but upon rewatching i understand his character better and the moment he became council he wanted to get rid of the corruption within piltover. i loved seeing marcus face expression after he said that. And i really like jayce and viktors bromance. Its really wholesome.
I mean you could basically blame the whole thing on any one of the main characters if you try hard enough, If jinx hadnt taken the crystles, if Vander gave up the kids to the enforcers, if Vi didnt take them on the job ect. The council is probably most to blame for creating such inequality that half of the people are literally being poisoned to death by the air they breath, its not hard to see why that situation would be unstable.
"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions." Sums Jayce's arc up pretty nicely I think.
Yeah, he's the catalyst for the entire show. People that downplay his character don't seem to understand that it's his decisions, passion and inexperience that drives everyone forward and changes their fates. Even with Cait, based of their interaction in the rain, his conviction to achieve his dream of Hextech against all odds, coupled with her just being around him growing up, is likely what motivated her to follow her dream as well.
He is the embodiment of both the good and dark sides of progress, not just for Piltover, but the world. Thus he can't be wholly into one conviction like so many of the other characters, which makes him the most complex of the cast. I feel next season will push his character further onto the world stage, as war only escalates innovation and I feel that Arcane might advance Hextech and Chemtech past what we've seen in the game.
Jayce made the gun, powder/Jinx pulled the trigger
finally someone says it. the magic of riot's writing is revealing the goods and bads of each characters. masterfully written i hope it won't go downhill from here.
Riot did not make Arcane. Fortiche did.
I feel like arcane does what so many shows fail to do, and that is show nuance in characters and the world
I think it's unfair to say that this is all his fault. The fact of the story is that it's every character's fault, and that's why it's good.
It's Jayce's fault for the reasons you list.
It's Vi's fault because her grudge against Piltover led her to raid Jayce's apartment, someone who had nothing to do with her and had done nobody any wrong, to this point. To push conflict forward, etc.
It's Vander's fault, because his passivity and guilt allowed Silco to grow his power and weaponry in secret.
It's Jinx's fault, because everything she touches backfires on the people she loves, at least when she tries to use violence or destruction as a tool.
It's Victor's fault, because of the same reasons that it's Jayce's fault.
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Actually, the only person I can say is actually blameless in this story is Caitlyn. I can't think of anything she did, through the whole story, that made anything worse for other people, even unintentionally.
Again, thats a great analysis.
I think the series is cool bc it shows you different perspectives of different peoples with different goals and moral lines.
The fact of looking at them from an overall look creates a kind of dramatic irony that permits us to see what are the different kinds of influence/ pressure, that leads people to take decisions, good, bad or (most of the time) humanly unperfect.
This is where I think a lot of shows are lame as fuck compared to Arcane.
In regular shows, you have sometimes people that have different personnality traits ( shy, funny, angry etc)
But you feel they just think the same way almost all the time ! Even tho they react differently.
Here they have different lives, feelings, ignorance.. Those are the characters themselves that are writing the story after a small push, not a scenarist that is desperatly trying to hide the strings to make someone believe in his story.
Victor said it best. They were so worried about being great that they forgot to be good.
"I don't like Jayce because he too easily overcome problem". Okey time to grow up, and accept this
I think it's actually Heimerdinger's fault. Two hundred years on the ruling council of the city and you let things get to this point in the undercity and don't even know what's going on with the other councilors? That yordle has more blood on his hands through neglect than Mel's mom does through war.
There are so many people at fault, not just Heimerdinger. You have to keep in mind that Heimerdinger isn't a human. His lifespan is nearly 10 times the length of ours. To him, humans were little more than pets and he needed to be humbled. It took Ekko, a child who achieved so much in only a few years, to show him that value is in the quality of years, not the quantity.
That's why Heimer had to go. He completely lost empathy over the people he's governing. Not just Zaun, but even Viktor and Jayce. Imagine telling a dying man to stop his research on a possibly life saving technology and wait decades to slowly iron things out. The entire situation is volatile Today, and he doesn't see it at all.
*The road to hell is paved with good intentions*
If you go even further... its the mysterious wizard's fault in ep 2 opening
Butterfly effect in play. Literally any of the most powerful figures from any piece of literature can be prosecuted for catastrophic events that occur in their stories. Even though they are powerful, theyre still very limited in what they can control. Heroes like iron man, or the avengers in general, aren’t heroes because their battles result in great tragedies. They’re heroes because they do their best to secure a merciful fate from a high stake situation.
Imagine, no Jayce... The heist in episode 1 goes off without a hitch, the kids never get spotted. Enforcers have no leads back to the Lanes. No hextech explosion means Silco's underlings never try to steal Vi and her group's haul. Life goes on as normal for Vi and co. Powder grows up into a fine well adjusted woman.
Maybe not well adjusted. Stable-ish, I’d say. There were definitely signs of early stages of schizophrenia with her. It’s just that the trauma basically pumped her preexisting issues with steroids and had them rampaging like the Hulk.
Dude your content is incredible, keep going.
You are one of only 2 videoes I have seen that actually focus on Jayce,
and I applaud you for the effort! So many people have been calling him
"the worst or weakest" character in the show and putting too much focus
on VI and Jinx (Or simply saying "just skip the talk all I care about is
the fights" like a certain Star Wars trilogy). While I get the hype in a
family drama (and I especially sympethyze with the sisters out of
personal experience.) every character is worth praise for being
portrayed as a victim of their environment and circumstances and each of
them has something worth exploring.
It's Ekko's fault. He sent Vi and her gang after Jayce which led the death of Vander and the creation of Jinx and thus, Silco's rise in power.
The power of the butteryfly effect....don't think too hard about it....
Heimindinger or whatever he's called is responsible. His regime and neglect permitted the rise of silco, the fall of Powder, and the naivity of Jayce.
Honestly it's the fault of Multiple Characters. Ekko is to blame for sharing the info with Vi causing her events to unfold which in turn led Viktor and Jayce making Hextech a reality.
Who tipped off Ekko tho?
@@Robo92 didnt he hear jayce talk about it when he was im benzos shop
@@liwanjie 😲"didnt even haggle". But why was Jayce in the under city. And nice Rohan profile pic
@@Robo92 i think he was buying stuff for his experiments from benzos shop, also ty for liking the pfp
just wait until you see how singed is behind every major event
Let's put it like this, Silco, dispute the cruelty and evil of his actions, had every reason and justification to be as evil as he did.
Zaun is a complete and utter tool to piltover. If there is a problem, they can send enforcers to beat, kidnap, arrest or even kill anyone that they wish. Case and point, Jayce killed a child and suffered absolutely no consequence from doing it.
The mistake of the magician who saved his life and gave him the crystal
It's Vi's fault, for breaking and entry in his house. Damn thiefs.
Hextech might be the only thing that could stop the eminent tsunami of shimmer fueled psycho murderers pouring out of the under city. It was clearly demonstrated more than once that even an average person fueled by shimmer could take out numerous highly trained well equipped professional combatants. I’m sure that’s also somehow Jace’s fault.
If the Hecks tech devices were used for their intended purpose, it would lower the cost of producing goods so that even the poor people below got afford a higher quality of life.
We see a lot of people who are doing OK get their lives are ruined by shimmer, so it’s kind of like a drug, and at the same time we don’t see how many people they killed in a shimmer fueled rage. Silco is the worst thing that ever happened to the under city by far.
I disagree with this interpretation and here's why:
Jayce is an idealist and ignorant. Unlike the people who grew up in the undercity/Zaun like Ekko or those who have seen both sides like Caitlyn, he doesn't see the entire issue because he has only seen high society all his life. Yes, Jayce did invent many things that brought Piltover a new age of prosperity, and yes politically that is important, but socially Jayce is only part of a several-piece social puzzle. Silco has molded Zaun more than Jayce by exacerbating the already-problems of the lower class by introducing Shimmer into the population, and it should also be acknowledged that Viktor's role in helping Jayce as well a Jinx's destructive tendencies are as important if not more so to the social aspect of the story; Viktor is literally dying and has worked tirelessly on the technological side of things while Jayce became a political figure for their cause, and Jinx caused multiple acts of terrorism for Silco's Zaun. Jayce's role is mostly a political face of advanced science, and many of the Councilors (especially Mel) enabled him because they gave him a chance and he exceeded their expectations, leading to a trust more blind. I think that was one reason Heimerdinger was the most critical of the Councilors towards Jayce and also what he was actually afraid of, because blind trust leads to technology in the wrong hands. And Jayce's idealism might actually be the wrong hands. Jayce does not have the worldly knowledge necessary to make the most useful sociopolitical choices that are actually the best for the whole system, and his drive to provide a better life will provide double-edged swords for conflict rather than a trusty pickaxe for progress.
In short, the politics of Arcane and the complex social issues regarding both Hextech and Shimmer leads me the believe Jayce is not so much the initiator of the events as much as he represents a misguided face of denial. Jayce looks too much at the big picture and purposes a single solution. The actual problem is multifaceted and needs several programs to combat, and those won't be coming since war is inevitable (going off how season one ends).
I don't hate Jayce but of the most important characters he is definitely my least favorite because he cannot see the situation for what it truly is; a mess made by social issues that is being quick-fixed with politics. If you must blame someone, blame the Councilors for enabling his worldview (Heimerdinger is not alone in that, even though he was the most critical). Arcane takes place in a world where these issues were already there and both Hextech and Shimmer just quickened the inevitable because people are going to be people.
Shimmer heals people and improves their strenght only temporarily then it worsen their condition. Can save one from death but by harming their soul. It is truelly devil device.
Jayce is the catalyst of everything in Arcane. His actions have huge repercussions far beyond what he can perceive. He tries to do good, but his actions reverberate in chaos.
Not really his fault when the entire council and people within his workforce are corrupt. Marcus was corrupt, therefore his entire enforcers. People were being bribed to smuggle shimmer long before he was even a counselor. These problems predates Jayces role as a counselor. Heimerdinger never even mentioned the Undercity once despite him being in command while vi and jinx were adopted by Vander in the literal opening scene
Another Great video! Keep it up Man!
Will Do!
As well we can say it is Ekko's fault coz he told Vi she can rob Jayce house. Otherwise Jayce would have kept in touch with Zaunits.
OK but even if jace did conduct these experiments, nothing would happen if Vi didnt take Pouder to their heist, because they probably wouldn't get to see the crystals before jace came back to his house. So if they didnt take the crystals, jace wouldn't get caught, vander might still live and everything would be so much different.
It wouldn't have happened to Vi and the gang, but his experiments were dangerous for anyone who stepped into the lab. Jayce was breaking the law, that's why he went to Benzo's store (the Undercity) to buy what he needed for his experiments. He should've been exiled in the trial but Heimer has a good heart, Mel protects him because she wants innovation and Caitlyn's mother shields him because she knows him and she was the one funding his studies.
Almost like Heimerdinger said Magic is dangerous and could harm lives...
Almost like you’re missing the point of Jayces ambition. In reality, every technological advancement is capable of being dramatically harmful. Even the simplest of inventions such as a knife is still prominent. The point of Jayces motives is that it takes a community/ union that determines whether or not Heimerdingers paranoia becomes a reality of not. In short, it’s not even entirely up to Jayce. Its not his fault the corrupt enforcers alongside Marcus and Caitlyn provided pitiful security against Jinx, hence why she stole the gemstones. it’s not Jayces fault the hexgates were infiltrated once people were bribed to smuggle shimmer. It’s not Jayce’s fault the council didn’t do shit to help the undercity until he brought it to light. Mostly, think about heimerdinger. He was literally in charge when Jayce and Mel were just babies. He was in charge when vi and jinx witnessed their dead parents at the bridge, and met Vander the same day. Heimerdinger is literally a prominent figure from the very first frame of the show
Wow your breakdown of his good intentions really explains why he was consistently influenced and manipulated
As the name Arcane implies, the whole concept of the series is showing how magic destroy everything it touches. And by Jayce bringing magic back as a subject, it indirectly makes it all his fault
2:28 why does jinx's grenade have the firelight symbol on it
Each time Jayce didn't listen to Heimerdinger I would dislike him even more
Me: You shouldn't have placed the sandwich in the room.
So you're telling me, that if ryze(unless mystery teleporting rune man is someone else) hadn't saved jayce everything would be alright?
Never thought about it before, but if Jayce wasn't doing hex tech experiments in his apartment, it never would've exploded. That turned a minor B&E into a bombing which caused a chase through the streets and the enforcer crack down on Zaun. The sherif wouldn't have come down to arrest Vander, Silco probably wouldn't have struck against a weakened Vander, Jinx wouldn't have had access to any dangerous crystals to create the explosion which killed Vander. Basically the whole story doesn't happen. It's technically Jinx's fault for stealing and using the crystals, but theres a reason we don't keep weapons grade uranium in residential neighborhoods. It fell into the wrong hands once, and Jayce never seemed to recognize that it could happen again.
Yeah if he had only haggled with Ekko, none of this would have happened.
Exactly
Jayce reminds me of Shirou Emiya.
Nothing would have happened if jayce had haggled >.>
Fam >.>
3:43 Don't'cha mean Mel'd? wink wink, nudge nudge
Glad you Caught it ;)
I think is unfair to toss all the fault to Jayce, he is more like the last straw. Jayce is young and inexperienced and discovers a way too powerful technology. But Jayce only has knowledge and how things develop from this point are mostly out of his control.
The real source is in the very city. There is a clear inequality between Piltover and Zaun which is source of most problems in Arcane. And this problem is not fault of one only person (not even Heimerdinger).
Is interesting that Jayce really takes this as his fault. He sees how his dream became a nightmare in contact with reality and how far he has gone from his initial convictions. The moment with the dead kid is the realization. Knowing what has happened Jayce would have followed Heimerdinger's advice to give up, but he didn't know the events that his actions would unfold.
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The main antagonist, Silco, acts as he does because he wants to stop the inequality of the city. Of course he goes too far.
Largest part of Jayce's errors are made because he is idealistic and lacks the experience of how to treat a potential dangerous discover. His mentor Heimerdinger failed to give him a better solution than giving up.
The council is corrupt but it is long before Jayce entered the scene.
Victor illness and consecuent descent to madness would happen even without Jayce actions. Jayce only gave hime hope and a powerful technology which only went to worse for Singed intervention.
Ekko, Vi, Jinx and Zaun characters have their probles rooting from
Well we got Singed too
The council is also extremely at fault
As much as I love lor cause it's one of my fav games will you be returning to doing eternal return? I loved the vods reviews and I don't see many TH-camrs do it and I'm confused why
my ass! If vi and crew didnt break in, it never would have happened.
It is not jayce fault, it is Mel’s
If only had he haggled
Bruh. This hot take is as just as naive as Jayce. Jayce's arc is to become an active protag. Which only began when he became part of the council. Everything else is a prelude.
Don't blame the child for the sins of the parent. Heim actually started everything. Silco wouldn't be who he is if heim had been more aware of zaun
Jayce committed crimes. His conduct was against the Ethos of Piltover. His experiments were illegal. He was protected by the fact that he knows Caitlyn's Mother (a Kiramman) personally, but in the trial, he almost even messes that up.
@@internetloy that hardly puts all blame on jayce. That was an isolated incident that was dealt with by the council. Same how we deal with things in the court of law. Yes it set some things in motion. But those things would of never existed if heim hadn't allowed them to.
Heim has been a leader of the council since the beginning. Zaun became what it is under his authority. Piltover became corrupt while he was in charge. In just a measley couple of days jayce was able to discover all of this. Heim had many many years to not only be aware of it but do somthing about it. Heim ultimately set up the world we see. He was responsible as the sworn leader of the council.
Is he out if his depth? Most certainly. Young and inexperienced? Ofc. At fault for everything wrong in the current setting? Absolutely not. Everything is the way it is bc heim let it be that way.
@@internetloy if heim did his job. Perhaps zaum wouldn't be zaun at all and just apart of piltover. Jinx would of never lost her parents which is wat first started her abandonment issues. Silco wouldn't have to become the man to stand against a corrupt society if there was none. Shimmer might have never been invented. Or if it was would prob be far more controlled then currently rampaging through the streets.
Everything that happens in the show ultimately leads to heim. Jayce just inherited the problems.
If only Jayce haggled
What i think really is missing is the whole "what exactly do the cities provide each other with?", especially after the hexgates have seperated them further.
Apparently, the uppercity doesn't need the undercity anymore, so why does anyone even bother?
it seems hexgates are mainly for imports and exports, it is implied that the undercity is where the industries are concentrated and raw material extraction come from, making Piltover's mantra of being the city of progress and science make even more sense (with the topside being mostly focused on education, scientific researches, etc)
so yeah, undercity provides Piltover with materials and industrial power while Piltover provides the undercity with... nothing except for a bit of money in return, which is exactly the point of the entire undercity being pissed off.
the people from the undercity provide everything they can to survive, while Piltover's government provides 0 help for them and actively makes the situation worse (even if not intentionally).
Which is why when Jayce took a hard look at the two cities’ relationship and what would happen if they went to war, he decided that the best thing for everyone was to cut Zaun loose. With the control over the import/export business thanks to the hexgates, Piltover didn’t need the Zaunite mines. What little money and manpower they did budget for Zaun could be redirected elsewhere, while Zaun took care of their upkeep and security themselves. And Piltover would probably earn more from Zaun by having them pay the same importation fees and taxes that everyone else pays then they ever did from taxing the Zaunites. It really was the best decision for everyone, considering Zaun just wanted to be left alone, at the end of the day.
And as for why the council got pissed, well, that’s probably more that Jayce did that on his own than the actual matter at hand. The fact of the matter is, with the exception of Mel and Jayce (and Heimerdinger as well), the councilors really aren’t that strong. They’re just privileged politicians who play at being powerful. Not even Cait’s mother is all that powerful, when it comes to presence and personality. Jayce deciding to negotiate with Silco on his own threatened their authority in their eyes. Notice how Mel had them wrapped around her finger in episode two, and when she agreed with Zaun’s independence, they all fell in line. That’s how the council works. Publicly, they’re all equals, but in truth they’re led by one or two strong personalities while the rest are weak willed.
Should've eaten those sandwiches
Well Medarda did say Jayce was progress
if you think about it tho, isn't everything ekko's fault?
Wait didn't ekko also cause the tragedy as well as vi because they stole from him.
Everything is no longer Mikey's fault
Technical both vi and jayce are the problem they created villains vi with jinx and jayce with viktor. And when you add there names together it makes vice.
Not true everything is heimerdinger fault not jayce.
If heimerdinger had looked at the undercity no silco no zaun no shimmer.
It's not because of jayce that the story begin. I would even Say that vi is a bigger reason why arcane is arcane. No mission to steal jayce stuff, no powder with hextech crystal = no jinx.
Jayce is my least favourite character. He's the least wise but the most stuck about it.
Heimerdinger was right.
Jayce fault 85%, silco will be still distribuit shimer but he would be stop
Not really Jayce’s fault. Is it his fault the council was corrupt? Is it his fault people were being bribed to smuggle shimmer? Is it his fault Marcus and the entire enforcers were corrupt? This stuff predates Jayces huge role. Is he supposed to make up for everyone’s mistakes. His fault they all pissed on their responsibilities? Think about it. Prior to him being a counselor, jayce and Viktor were both cofounders. That attack during the Progress Day Speech should affect both equally. Instead, everyone is ready to point fingers at Jayce, in which, jayce completely embraces in front of the council
It's not his fault if we see it from the character's perspective. He was just a scientist but the peer pressure lead him to take some hard decisions, which does lead to consequences. I mean that's what always happens,we can even see such an example in our world too.
ban jayce
This is a hot take? Of course it's Jayce fault.
Why do you hate on him
@@poggerz6567 Because he's a prejudiced, classist, privileged poser who doesn't give 2 shits about the people he claimed to make Hex Tech for.
@@logarugamon2645 oh you mean Viktor?
@@logarugamon2645 and didn't he proposed the independence of zaun?
@@logarugamon2645 and what about that kid? He seemed to care that he accidently killed him
Don't forget the ending is vi fault she told jayce jinx name which made silco unable to give jinx up unlike Vi who gave her up cause she wanted to fight.
Vi would have never given Jinx to the council.
@@shadowgamer4306
Failure doesn't matter what she gonna do?
She already gave the name and in the end jinx was called for.
And for what?
Nothing gained.
Hot headed vi calmed down and still made mistake so big.
Never give a name away.
Can't use the hex gates without getting caught and vi ain't got a way out of either city.
Better choice would have been to say some girl that works for silco leaving it open.
Hiya.
Jayce got a name and did the right thing in his position.
Silco did the right thing in his position.
How did this all start anyway.
Vi taking jinx upside.
Vi letting jinx hold onto the stolen good even after knowing they were searching.
Vi not taking the stolen goods when she was going to turn herself in this would have been good evidence for topside.