Before the Federation : The Coalition of Planets
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ธ.ค. 2017
- Today we take a look at the Coalition of Planets in our Before the Federation Series. What do you think of the coalition and how it was put together? Comment below!
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This is where discovery should have been set the foundation of the federation would fill a big hole in canon and be something we have never seen before
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Also remember that during the Coalition talks on Earth there were also five other unnamed species other than the ones talked here.
We'll unfortunately probably never explore those again (like with the Babel background species), but I think it's a cool bit of trivia to point out, especially since their designs looked cool and I'd love to explore them all.
I always wanted to see more of the Coalition of Planets
Shaun Daniel Wane just watch Enterprise season 5! oh... wait....
Ahahahah XD
but I seriously feel like they cancelled it right when they had it figured out. It should have been the main focus, not the temporal cold war crap.
Yes Season 4 wasn't bad at all.
I agree.. If they had the beginnings of the Coalition of Planets, (the Earth-Romulan War, the Xindi crisis and Terra Prime) that would have better.
I’ve always wondered why in the Romulan and Klingon empires we never see the other species that make up those empires. They have to be there.
we saw one of the Romulans races in the genesis movie and in the enterprise series don;t know about anything else
In TNG we learn the Kriosians were a subject race of the Klingons. But Klingon iron fist was going soft and the Kriosians may become independent. Romulans has the Remans as seen in Nemesis and Enterprise.
Red Dayoan true. That’s only two for each one time. I mean empires as vast as that had to have hundreds.
Some Letheans were in service if the Klingon Defense Force as seen in the DS9 episode ‘The Sword of Kahless’
They're probably there, just never participate in political positions or military, which are the only components of those governments we see. A decent fraction of other races that evolved in the Romulan and Klingon territories were probably extincted, and the useful ones bottled up on their home planets; doubtless they are used as a sort of labour caste
Easiest explanation as to why only Earth, Vulcan, Andoria and Tellar developed the Federation from the Coalition, is that Denobula, Rigel and Corridan only wanted to be part of a mutual defence pact, not as the Federation was, a political union.
Coridan was attacked in the early stages of the Romulan war killing more then half of the population.
Rigel helped Earth with materials only as the Rigelians were pacifist.
Denobula was also attacked in the middle of the war for the Romulans to secure a beach head in Coalition space. As Denobula was only 3 days warp travel from Earth at warp 5.
Andoria, Tellar and Vulcan only helped Earth with weapons and materials but didn't engage Romulan ships.
Earth stood alone during the war until the battle of Cheron at the end of the war.
When 3 NX ships launched a attack on the Cheron shipyards, and whilst this attack was going on a fleet of Denobulan and 1 NX ship headed to Romulas.
When the Romulans detected the Denobulan fleet heading to Romulas the praetor opened talks with Earth and surrendered.
+Phillip Christopher Hall I assume this from books?
+Lore Reloaded The attack on Coridan is canon because they wouldn't join till TOS era in the episode "Bable" the rest is book sources.
Because in the Federation The First 150 Years its stated that the Denoulans help at the end.
But in the Enterprise novel To Brave The Storm. Its stated that the Klingons and Vissians help Earth win the war.
Alpha Canon is considered anything that is actually on the screen, anything that isn't is considered soft or beta canon. So I assume this is from the books? I'm not demeaning what you're telling me - just asking.
+Lore Reloaded Cordian was mentioned on screen and in books. The rest is from books. To do with the Romulan war.
Right, I know Coridan was mentioned on screen ;) That's why I was confirmed and ensuring I knew what you were talking about. Ok. Thanks.
Lore Reloaded Didn't realise I hadn't subbed. Always done for those who have been good enough to respond in the past. Volumes definitely spot on now.
"The Federation the first 150 years," history book says the Denobulans withdrew from galactic affairs. First during the Romulan war when the planet had been occupied by the Romulans and later when one of their freighters was destroyed by Klingons while being escorted by a Federation vessel.
They did eventually join the Federation.
Not sure about the others but it is possible the Rigelians figured they would let the Federation handle the Romulans while they stayed safe in the background. It was the early years and there were probably concerns the Federation wouldn't survive.
Andoria is Earth's true friend. Vulcan sucks.
more a Vulcan person myself and admit I am glad the first contact with them and not Andoria, we could have seen a very different starfleet and federation if the Andorian's made contact, that's how the terran empire should have been formed with humans encountering a different race and attacking them. still i agree the andorians are cool while vulcans could be seen as the big brother we needed.
@@larsavaleth8151 Nah, that's not what the Andorians were about, though. They actually tended to want to make friends, and the Humans were a lot more like them than the Vulcans, and weren't *actually up to something like the Vulcan High Command proved to be,* so I think Humans could have mellowed out relations either way.
The Vulcans made contact with us as a way to contain and monitor us. Helping us was just a by product. But that's just like my opinion man.
@@HeavyJ713 I wouldn't turn that down at this point in history, though. Cause damn. We screwed up.
There are numerous possibilities to explain the only four founding members of the federation while there were more worlds involved in the coalition. One example is given by the Pocket Book novel continuations of Enterprise. It's partly a little bit of a stretch in those books trying to explain things, but it's still not too unlikely and certainly nice to read from a Trek geek's perspective.
They basically say that there were further romulan sneak attacks, this time using real captured ships instead of these holo-like ships. They developed a "tele-capture" device (similar to the "tele-control" thing from canon) basically hijacking a ship's computer. This ultimately planted a lot of fear and distrust among the coalition worlds. The Vulcans, of course not giving in to this (because logic dictates that they might just be captured ships ;-)), back off of the mutual defense agreement after they learn that their ships are especially endangered by the hijacking weapon (explained by... them being ancestors of Romulans. Kinda works...).
With coalition worlds that won't adhere to their agreed-on defense agreement this then left earth basically alone facing the Romulans. That's where the term "*earth*-romulan war" comes from. Only near the end of the war at the decisive battle can the coalition worlds be convinced to help the humans, ultimately defeating the Romulans. That earth isn't crushed instantly by the Romulans is explained by inter-Romulan intrigues and issues with other worlds they subdued that get unofficial indirect help from the Vulcans (weapons and stuff).
This will then lead to a strengthening of the coalition, however some worlds will be alienated by the prospect of becoming a target if they join a coalition/federation that already has made some real enemies in form of the Romulans.
So this is the gist of how the Pocket novels explain terms like the *earth*-romulan war or why there are only four founding members of the federation. All in all it makes sense in the books. I don't know how I would react though if this was in an actual show, as it's still a bit of a stretch that earth can fend off the Romulans for so long (the hot part of the war goes over several years). Saying the Romulans have other affairs to tend to in order to explain that still leaves a bitter taste IMO.
(The books I'm talking about (section "Set after the series"): memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Enterprise_(Pocket) )
I always thought it was a bit because of political power and a bit cause of economics.
The founding members except Earth/humans could be seen as the major powers of the region at the time while Denobula would be a lesser power. Since they could feel that their own sovereignty would be at risk at joining the federation (which I think had had much more centralized power than the coalition). So instead they could have pushed to be more of a protectorate or an ally of the Federation instead of a direct member. at least until they saw proof of benefits to joining or were no longer afraid of losing their own power.
As for economic, Planets like Coridan that produced things like Dilithium may have seen the Federation as a hassle in some way with new rules and regulations or possible harsh trade laws and embargos. It was Trade that made it difficult for it to join the Federation a century later.
Well to team up with is one thing, the federations asks that your culture believe as theirs in a lot of ways. I can see why some would prefer to be friendly but full on members at first.
This is when Section 31 engineering division first learned about Tachyon emitters!
Ah, you mentioned Star Trek Online! I co-command 2 fleets there, Earth's Legacy [Federation] & House of Pat'ton [Klingon] factions. While not without it's many ongoing flaws, both of Perfect World Entertainment & the game STO itself, it's still fun to play. Now, what STO really needs is adding a Romulan faction, not as a major player canon species forced to choose between those 2 factions.
Denobula and Rigel might have been in talks about joining
Probably bata cannon one possibility is the that Donobulans withdrew from Galatic affairs in the wake of the Romulan war. This was suggested by the writer of Picard autobiography.
I read there was a book out there that had the United Earth fighting the Romulans alone due to Romulan Sabotage until the very end.
I'm not sure if it's canon, but there is a book series that does goes over rigel's admittance into the federation. It's called "Rise of the Federation" I believe.
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Oh you! :) I do try though..
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Wasn't Coridon(?) a hardcore Vulcan ally? Maybe they relied on the Vulcan fleet for their defense and had no warships of their own.
There aren't any real sources that I see that support that - though I could be wrong. I know Coridan was the site of a proxy war between the Vulcans and the Tellarites. The vulcans backing, ironically, a corrupt government.
i kinda remember that there is a book series that goes into the Enterprise era after the fourth season. If I remember right, there was a book about Coridon entering into negotiations to join the federation but backing out after a terrorist attack from the romulans (crashing a ship at warp into the planet) badly distablized their planet.
Don't you mean proxy between Vulcans and Andorians.
Denobula might had other problem joining or they might have. Also more militery agency for a we know Denobula real did put fight normal.
Damn I love 22nd Star Trek lore!
Well hopefully we can have more to explore ;)
I always assumed that Denobula joined under united earth's flag, don't know why but I just assumed
+Nathan Norman Hmm..that would be interesting but would be like the UK joining the UN under the US.. Would make them United Earth Citizen's
I find that ... Very acceptable
I don't know why some races aren't class as a founding race might be a little misinterpreted to me. the telerites, andorians, Vulcans. and humans could be viewed as the citadel council from mass effect series who the one most able to provide emergency relief and provide more military action than the other. while the other races could be view as the volus who were there during the foundation of the Citadel council between asari and salarians couldn't provide these things and were just granted an embassy.
some races might not have joined cause they did not agree with some of the claus's of the founding of the federation.
and some might have just not been invited or wanted to like the Zindi which I do wish they had joined cause their ships were more impressive than any of the other races in my opinion.
weren't the four founding races closest to the Klingon and Romulans empires anyway and would have hit first
this is my theory into why this might be the case and i know i could be wrong.
I'm confused. Didn't the series Enterprise end with a cliffhanger?
+David Bland Nope. Not at all.
It ended with an add-on to a TNG episode... #Jagoffs
It ended with empress sato taking over earth.
Their network was considered canceling after season three. That is maybe what you were thinking of as S3 did end on a cliffhanger.
Why is clapping a universal way of expressing praise in all of the species present at the founding of the coalition? Surely there would be other methods out there besides smacking the floppy end bits of your arms together.
I always felt the final episode was rushed (understandably, due to the series cancellation)...it didn't really do the Federation/Coalition of Planets piece true justice other than to say "Yay! Daniels was right!" -
I wondered why we see so many Denobulans like Phlox, and others on cold station 12 to never be seen again in later series’s. I know the reality is its a prequel Series.
Trek always seemed a bit human centric.
We follow human ships which is the only 'out' I've come up with.
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I did answer to why the Denobula maybe complex political or problem Coalition of planet with marraige system something else.
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And Coridan was destroyed by the Romulans
..it was?
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I never quite understood why they even went with the Coalition of Planets. We see their founding in 2161, which is also the year the Federation claims as its founding. Sure, I guess we can assume that the Federation considers itself a continuation of the Coalition of Planets (much like the US considers its founding in 1776, despite the fact that our current constitution wasn't in effect until 1789). That being said, all other alpha canon sources outside of Enterprise point to 2161 as not only the founding, but the signing of the Federation Charter (not the Coalition Charter or whatever they supposedly signed in Enterprise).
I guess it's possible that they did sign a Federation Charter and named themselves the Coalition of Planets, and later renamed themselves. Just doesn't seem plausible. I don't see why, if the writers really wanted to create a precursor to the Federation, they didn't have it created earlier (possibly naming the Coalition of Planets the alliance that fought the Earth-Romulan War, and then forming into a more formal Federation afterwards). I guess it's because they didn't expect to be canceled, and already planned to do it that way, and their need to swiftly put an end to the series mixed poorly with their desire to have a Federation precursor.
Apparently, I misunderstood or misread something. I was of the understanding that the last episode of ENT happened AFTER the Earth-Romulan War, therefore after 2160. Apparently, it looks to have happened in 2155, during the war. So, it's creation does make sense.
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Because they were not included was because they were section 31, ssshhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!
Earth is for humans ,Terra prime were God fearing men with values.