@@Sharkofspace Yes, but the way that works is you go in training mode, and it puts your little avatar at a station in the tower and someone then comes and challenges. There is no rank, no elo, no SBMM beyond what floor of the tower you are on and it's luck of the draw who you end up matching with oh and rather than getting matched with people from your region, it's just the 32 people in whatever lobby you join into. For lower floors the system is okay but for 10 and celestial it's pretty bad. What people are asking for is just matchmaking, everyone is in the same queue and it finds you an open opponent who is closest to you in rank and distance and matches you. It's a bit more complicated than that in reality, but that is the gist of it.
@@Sharkofspacein SF6 I can set it to rank and just do whatever in the meantime in game, Strive you're either in lobby or training Also if you disconnect there isn't a chance you'll get kicked out of the lobby completely or frozen in time if they get off the cab while you're connecting Also also you get actual ranks you get to keep to match with others around your level. The idea of being in a big room with a wife range of levels is nice in theory but between needing to win at least 4 straight every month when anything can happen (like Sajam getting terrible connections) makes it more frustrating than fun. Why go through all that when granblue is there and you can just get a match quick.
@@666slateran666I can boot up street fighter, hit A four times and get a match. I'd love to play Guilty Gear but I don't want to play the Will This Battlestation Work minigames for 3 minutes between sets
It's just easier to find equal skilled players in other fighters honestly. I like GGST but the ranked system, matchmaking, and lobbies are really bad which makes me not want to play it.
Replay can’t have rewind in current implementation, it’s just impossible to add rewind without fully remaking replay feature. And they cant just remake replay because it will not support old saved replays. Replay takeover should be very easy to implement, but it’s such a random feature, I don’t even know why would you want it. Like how would you even use it?opponent’s button presses are recorded and won’t change when you take over and change yours, so after you make one different move, it will throw off the recording. That’s it, you can use it to change your moves and watch the opponent’s moves make now sense after that
@@rasifurefodi8306 strive devs chose not the best implementation of a replay feature and now can’t just change it because of problems they and the community will need to face. They probably can find some tacky solution for this but it’s not worth it in my opinion. Tekken is a good game, all power to it. I still can’t fathom how replay takeover is useful
I’m genuinely curious why Arcsys are so committed to these goddamn lobbies, I’d love for a direct, honest to god explanation for it. Surely after the 7th(?) time they’ve made one of these, they’ve realised no one likes them and they only make things worse
Every Arcsys game I have played with these systems that isn't Strive (Granblue / BBTAG / P4 Arena) have worked perfectly fine and I highly doubt any of them besides the one that doesn't work which is the one in Strive has made the game worse. I also doubt that no one likes them because I do, I think they're neat and add character to any game that has them. They just have to actually function and no one will complain. Bonus points if a game has both the lobbies and matchmaking. (Like Sf6 and Tekken and Granblue)
@@airrhearrt2865 i agree. the lobbies themselves aren’t the problem it’s the horrific implementation. even in a closed beta 2xko’s lobby system was head and shoulders over strive’s.
@@airrhearrt2865 i agree. the lobbies aren’t the problem; it’s the horrific implementation. even in a closed beta, 2xko’s lobby system was head and shoulders over strive’s.
@@airrhearrt2865 alright, I’ll concede that saying “no-one likes them” is an unfair assessment, even I like some elements of them. But, hand to god, I genuinely cannot think of an instance where I’d prefer to have Arcsys lobby/avatar system over a traditional matchmaking option. If I’m being generous, maybe I’d give Granblue some slack since they’re clearly trying to do more with it but that’s about it. Stuff like this should never, imo, be the main focus of a matchmaking system. If anything, it should be an option like it is in SF and Tekken; a secondary layer of matchmaking for those who want it. Queuing to match from the main menu shouldn’t dump me in a random tower with 2 other dudes, it should just find me a match
Despite loving the actual fighting part of this fighting game, no matchmaking has stopped me completely from playing this game. Booting up sf6 and T8 gets me into a match in less than 5 minutes. In those 5 minutes, arcsys is still communicating with the server at the pre main menu.
its insane how innovative strive was being one of the first major Japanese companies giving in and putting in rollback for them to fall behind on important features like matchmaking and replay takeover and frame data etc. :/
its genuinely hell in australia. no one plays tower in aus, so your only options are the japan or US west coast servers, and even then youre lucky to get 150 ping, and most people dont match if youre 150 or higher too. if we just had matchmaking we could set and forget so much easier - not have to worry about hooing to find another aussie in another country and let the game handle that shif for us
The funniest thing to me is that the Team of 3 mode they keep working on DOES seem to have more traditional matchmaking. You go from a menu and even have a rank assigned and they try to get you with similar ranks for games....I'll just cope that maybe they're using that mode to also try out retrofitting that matchmaking into the full game. I really wish they would.
This is probably one of those games/series where the appeal for me is the "soul" of it with the aesthetic, gameplay, music and characterisation which really vibes with me. But the user experience itself does a bad job letting people lean into those strengths naturally when the player constantly has to fight the game with the menus and lobbies. It actually reminds me a lot of how people used to view early 3D Sonic games. I completely get why people love Sonic Adventure 2, I still acknowledge it's a bit rough to play and the onboarding experience probably isn't the best.
Same, except I feel like Strive lost a lot of the GG "soul" with the change in UI, addition of wall breaks, and loss of half of most characters' movelists.
@@Ketsuekisan Nah, it carved out its own identity, but I understand if it doesn't click with you as much. When I look at the evolving character designs and writing, and seeing character tracks have references to their old motifs, I can tell they love their baby. I always encourage devs to try out new stuff. While I understand the motto of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", when you're being an artist you eventually have to experiment, such as with the Wallbreak, fast RC cancels and Wild Assault. Otherwise, you risk hitting burnout considering this series is +20 years old. Of course, there is some stuff I do agree on. Mainly the lack of unique outro dialogue exchanges for the whole cast (it's done on an individual case-by-case basis like with Goldlewis, but it's weird). The UI is another part that's just strange. It feels placeholder and I thought it would later be changed. It's a weird amalgamation of ups and downs that, again, feel like how Sonic games work.
"Four Seasons in and still no X" is something you can say about a bunch of things in this game Menus still look placeholder and the servers are still a mess, but I'm glad I can punish my opponent for pressing something from fullscreen by making them watch a small movie
Short list off the top of my head, still no - Matchmaking/ranked mode -frame data -hitbox viewer -replay take over -ability to leave training mode matchmaking without having to back out to the main menu -consistently working lobby Theres more you could add im sure. but hey at least we're getting a 3v3 mode no one asked for.
@@Slybandito7 the one Isuka player raised his weary head, then realized it's not that kind of 3v3 and went back to sleep, deep in slumber forevermore until the day when Ravens stop airdashing over Potemkin.
@@nds_stylesavvy there's nothing wrong with a 3v3 inherently but considering the basic functions and features that are still missing it should have been a lower priority
It's wild to think Strive's done as well as it has for as long as it has despite hackerman AND not having matchmaking lol, imagine the timeline where neither of these things were true
Sajam talking about Sol, Leo, Ram, Nago and HC always being strong really speaks to me cause I feel the same way. Just for one season, let these guys sit down.
it’s honestly insane how the strive developers have just completely neglected to add any key features to the game in four years. any multiplayer game without matchmaking is unthinkable. playing anything other than long sets with friends in this game is completely miserable and it’s a big reason why i fall off of strive every other month or two of playing. it’s so tedious to get into a game compared to any other game i play where all you have to do is press a damn button. the lobby system is easily, without a doubt, the worst part of guilty gear strive.
Not really insane, seems that people still play the game regardless if there is no matchmaking. I dont see how it is misreable, you can get games pretty easily.
@@lampad4549 getting matches is so good everyone in this comment session is complaining about it. I give you 2 days in latam trying to find matches and you'll change your opinion.
@@lampad4549 Except a lot of others don't. Sajam said in the video that he doesn't play almost exclusively because of it, and its a big reason a lot of others don't still play consistently, like myself. You can get games easily, but there's no way to know if it'll be a fair fun game. I still play the game sometimes, but I and many others would play a lot more if there was elo
@@wolfpacore tbf, strive matchmaking is not very good but I would rather have this that something like lol skewd matching with loosers queue. I actually started playing ac+R and in the first 10 ranked game s, the closest one with my level was someone with 7000 games played.... And I had 12. Bottom line: the matchmaking is not good but honestly, when was a macthmaking ever good? For me it's worse the fact that there is no way to check for frame in game.
@@lorenzolombardi3369this comparison is awful. AC+R is over a decade old with matchmaking that was bolted on a few years ago, built on an even older version of Guilty Gear XX. The majority of people left playing it are die hard long timers, of course you won’t find anyone that is also a fresh beginner in the matchmaking pool.
@@soppo_404they are very attached to that aesthetic and people still play money for the game. If you have a "vision" for the game and people still play why would change it.
Factually, all the discource about "Why X character is so broken" would be solved by a skill based matchmaking. the [character strength/player skill] ratio will push stronger characters slightly higher up in MMR, so a 1800ELO slayer would be a worse player than a 1800ELO zato. But they're both 1800ELO players. PLS ARC SYS GIVE US MATCHMAKING WITH 3v3 RELEASE
i’ve just accepted that this game is never going to have proper matchmaking. unfortunately, that makes it more or less impossible to take seriously as a competitive game as someone with no interest in becoming a tournament player, but it is what it is.
@@eebbaa5560 well it's not that matchmaking makes it harder to play on the competitive level. After all, you don't have matchmaking when you play brackets. But it does make the casual experience much worse.
Love hopping back into this game every few months and seeing absolutely nothing changed about the matchmaking. Need to know why arcsys is so insistent on this shitass tower system instead of a proper ranked mode
@@lampad4549 they can keep the tower if they want some wack ass habbo hotel lobby system but for the love of god this game desperately needs an actual ranked mode where you cant just dodge bad matchups and your climb isnt dictated by only win streaks.
I want to play strive so bad, but between the short matches and network errors, you stay more time outside matches than inside. It also doesn't help that my region's tower died and everyone just went to other regions... real matchmaking would solve even that, because there are tons of players from my region, they're just not using our server.
@lampad4549 i have no idea why you're running defense for what is an objectively a very flawed system. no one is denying that hopping on a virtual cabinet is a cool feeling but there are still too many problems with the lobby and tower system that need to be addressed in the first place. and yeah people will complain about it because good netplay is the most important of modern fighting games, what else would anyone buy the game for?
The lack of matchmaking is _especially_ bad if you're a LATAM player, because _for some reason_ 99% of the south american playerbase plays on the NA lobbies. So if you want to play in the tower, in your own floor, you gotta go in the NA tower and trudge through matches with pings of 150, 200, and upwards, with NO IDEA who is or isn't on wifi. Fellas the netcode is good but it's not so good that I can play with fckn 6-7 frames of rollback and not feel it.
That's a good point too, I think a lot of people who keep parroting "works for me bro sorry" are forgetting that there's a world outside of America and Japan. In fact the reigning AWT champion is a dude from fucking Senegal, imagine what he had to put up with to grind enough to get that good.
Feels nice to see Sajam playing Strive again. Love watching this game. But yeah, just wish their updates and patches had addressed the very serious problems with matchmaking and general quality of life features instead of giving us a 3-v-3 mode no one will ever take seriously.
38:20 I can't tell wtf happened here. Did Zato Unsummon, but the animation got eaten by rollback? He was able to block right after Frog, and he got his Eddie meter back, too.
Raw summon, negative edge frog. Dizzy's attack missed Eddie, so Zato blocks (which unsummons Eddie automatically) and the Eddie gauge instantly refreshes
True but it's nothing new and it's not even Strive specific sadly. People defended SF5 launching always online with no content. People defended BBTag DLC. People defended Tekken 7 with no tutorial and bad netcode. Gamers just have no standards and tie their identity to products so they get defensive when those products are criticized, even though improving upon them would make them more enjoyable for EVERYONE.
y'know i hadn't really thought of it until watching this but if you read between the lines the patch notes just say "Fuck that Sajam guy, we're totally changing Sol and Sin and giving Ramlethal a buggy guard crush move"
idk why it's not talked about as much anymore, how bad the online experience is. maybe i'm mistaken, or maybe people have concluded that it'll just never get better? either way, it's easily the worst thing about this game. there's nothing more frustrating than loving a game that makes itself difficult to play. in beta was one thing but we're 3 years into the life of this game at this point
Either people decided it's just never going to get better, or most of the people complaining about it got tired of being shouted down by people who think Daisuke can do no wrong and his *[Vision]* is immaculate.
@@Ketsuekisan I've been in the community for a while and no one is "shouting down". Is really just that most people have voiced their complaint already, and they still do in most chats. At some point, you let the game speak for itself and don't feel the need to repeat yourself.
@@leithaziz2716 Haters really do be out here thinking they're the silent majority. As a game Strive is great and is still very much Guilty Gear, and Arc Sys simply can't satisfy everyone. They can't satisfy the ones that want it to be identical to Xrd or +R and they can't satisfy the ones who want it to be identical to Xrd but have never played Xrd so don't know what that would be. Networking issues are obviously legitimate, especially frustrating for custom room online tournaments where it also seems like some sacred rite need to be performed to not upset the networking gods but that is not an intentional design of the game.
@@gwen9939Most of the comments on this video are from people who WANT to play the game and like what it offers, but can't because they struggle to find matches due to the nonexistent matchmaking. I don't think anyone who believes Strive is some major disgrace to the franchise would even care, if anything they'd probably enjoy less people being able to play it.
On slowing down Anji: The ice removes all forward movement from Fuujins and spins. As Anji, playing against a Dizzy that's larping a zoner is very painful.
fingers crossed the 3v3 matchmaking is a test for normal matchmaking and we'll get it dropped in soon, its the primary reason i exclusively play offline at grind seshes or after finding someone in the discords to grind with, ladder is so scuffed to find matches in
If people made more noises regarding matchmaking there would be chances of it getting improved, tragically that isn't the case the latest complaint has been Sajam with the current video and a few months ago Jiyuna spoke about it too. Wish more complaints were said on twitter and social media about this matchmaking, doubt there's any hope anymore though
Don't they put out a survey every time they do a developers backyard? I'm convinced they know what we want and just don't care because it would either take too much effort this late in the game's life or someone at Arcsys is stubbornly attached to the dogshit lobbies.
I dont understand what yall mean by lack of matchmaking? Is it the quality of matches? Or at the higher floors is it hard to find people to match with? Or does it have to do with the skill matching?
Print out this comment section and staple it to daisukes door bc how the hell can this game be over 3 years old and be this frustrating to just get into a game. I love strive with all my heart but come on
Game definetly looks better than season 3 gameplay wise since Wild Assault was a mistake. But it's still a meme. Even 5 years into its lifespan they haven't fixed the matchmaking issues in the lobbies. But at least they stay true to the Mahjong design philosophy so you still explode in three hits. Credit where credit is due.
I really love Strive, I finally joined when Elphelt released (been wanting to play at least since Bridget was out) but man... The match quality can be all over the place, which is something real matchmaking would fix I hope. Too bad ArcSys is allergic to it...
I just bought GG a couple of days ago only to find out that there isn't any matchmaking, also no easily accessible frame data. Games fun but I am a tiny bit salty.
As a strive hater, trying to give this season a chance, the tower system is so trash. Staying in celestial is a bit of a struggle, but there is zero comparison to it, in floor 10. It'd be like if I got to D5 beating up silvers in sf6, but to get to master I need to fight legend players lol. No offence to the silvers out there. Like why are such lower ranks allowed into 10, but also why is it so easy to climb, but also to fall. Also funny to see Sajam sigh and stuff so much during this. Cause I feel like no matter the rank or player, people be pressing buttons nonstop. I know it is just kind of how the game is played, but geez.
I think this lobby system is neat cause it let's you hunt matchups and whatnot if you're that kind of player. But it's really not great if you're not that kind of player. Which is like a majority of the playerbase lol. And doesn't help that it breaks half the time lol
Arcsys lack of proper matchmaking is the only reason I can play em online. Live in South Africa so closest europe connection is 160ms. With SF6 who doesn't just ping limit to the best besides Africa and South America, and our connections are awful at 300+ ping. 50 south africans playing spread across how many ranks means I'm staring at a menu for an hour before finding a local.
Despite no matchmaking in GGST, I still haven't encountered one and done players since release day compared to Tekken 8.. Not trying to defend GGST for the lack of innovation, at least I get good matches.
So wild to see people in the comments finally starting to acknowledge the faults in Strive that have been around for years, when the first people to bring them up would just get shouted down for daring to question *[Daisuke's Vision].*
GGST's lame "floors" system and shitty lobbies are the main reason I stopped playing this game. SF6 is sooooo much better in that regard, it makes no sense GGST didn't even try to catch up....
Everyone in the comments are completely ignoring that arc sys has been very vocal about their tower system. The direction was to allow an easier and less intense multiplayer experience for people. That means being able to choose your matches, play with a definitive amount of matches, and explore the levels of strengths at your own leisure bar celestial. I’m not defending it, I have my gripes but arc sys time and time has explained the purpose of tower. There are much more issues with GGST network that is not related to matchmaking. I honestly feel capcom is the only team that truly made a successful matchmaking mode and it started at SFV.
They can explain all they want, it's still dogshit and has no basis in reality. It doesn't even succeed at what it's trying to do because the rank up/down criteria is literal nonsense.
As the only fighting game I've sat down and played, I don't understand why people shit on the tower so much. I log in, join a floor, and get paired up into a match in something like 1-2 minutes tops. What is missing so desperately that you still bought the game despite it's absence?
Laughed at the MTG comment. Not only does that happen, there's an entire community of gambling morons (sorry, "speculators") who preorder 20 copies of the 5 mana card so they can try to sell them for a profit.
As a certified Strive hater, I would totally play if they had regular matchmaking lol I can deal with what I don't like about the gameplay, but then the lobby stuff drives me insane.
How is Ram STILL in people's mouths alongside Leo, H. Chaos, and Nago for "always been good"? Faust (random example) has never not outperformed her in overall tournament placements, every version! Lots of people play her, like 2 of them EVER get into top 8. Then you bag on Wings of Light because everyone says it's broken but it doesn't work. It's literally the same mental mixup, but they got you on Ram.
@@pootsiii8178it just doesn’t work at all. floor 10 is everyone from people with a good grounding to people with thousands of hours. celestial is a similar clash of people who are just very good at the game and top level pros. it doesn’t work for casuals and it doesn’t work for competitive players
I personally love how volatile it is. If you're on a hot streak you REALLY get to fuck around and find out. I hate how it caps how low you can go so you can't learn new characters as easy, and how you constantly get put into empty rooms and stupid shit like that
@@pootsiii8178 for me personally I have a lot of experience with elo based games and people really overvalue the idea of elo. There are a lot of ways to funnel it especially in 1v1 game and a lot of ways for the development to screw the player invisibility (looser queue in lol) At least if I'm floor 6, I know I'm gonna find people who are roughly my skill level, if they try to smurf they will quickly be ranked up and won't screw many players. Actually strives solved a lot of problems with smurfing which is impressive, but still has problems
I frankly don’t care, I’ve sorta just been fine with what I have, the closest I ever even got to matchmaking is tf2, not only is it not in my interest, I’ve never even experienced it 😊
I'll never stop saying it. GG got sold out to the trans brisket crowd that only buys funkos and hoodies instead of playing the game. That's where all the arcsys budget is going. You will never get matchmaking.
“With lobbies this good, who needs matchmaking?”
Strive devs, probably
What I would give for SF6 style matchmaking in GG
money and time
We're talking about the ability to queue up for a ranked match while in training mode, right? Strive does have that.
@@Sharkofspace Yes, but the way that works is you go in training mode, and it puts your little avatar at a station in the tower and someone then comes and challenges. There is no rank, no elo, no SBMM beyond what floor of the tower you are on and it's luck of the draw who you end up matching with oh and rather than getting matched with people from your region, it's just the 32 people in whatever lobby you join into. For lower floors the system is okay but for 10 and celestial it's pretty bad.
What people are asking for is just matchmaking, everyone is in the same queue and it finds you an open opponent who is closest to you in rank and distance and matches you. It's a bit more complicated than that in reality, but that is the gist of it.
@@Sharkofspacein SF6 I can set it to rank and just do whatever in the meantime in game, Strive you're either in lobby or training
Also if you disconnect there isn't a chance you'll get kicked out of the lobby completely or frozen in time if they get off the cab while you're connecting
Also also you get actual ranks you get to keep to match with others around your level.
The idea of being in a big room with a wife range of levels is nice in theory but between needing to win at least 4 straight every month when anything can happen (like Sajam getting terrible connections) makes it more frustrating than fun.
Why go through all that when granblue is there and you can just get a match quick.
@@GanguroKonata I knew it wasn't very good, but I thought people didn't know strive had it at all. That's why I was confused.
Lack of matchmaking is the primary reason I don't play GG.
Sounds like you don't like GG much then
Legit same. I love the game but no Matchmaking and the awful ranking system turns me off the game so much.
@@666slateran666I can boot up street fighter, hit A four times and get a match. I'd love to play Guilty Gear but I don't want to play the Will This Battlestation Work minigames for 3 minutes between sets
It's just easier to find equal skilled players in other fighters honestly. I like GGST but the ranked system, matchmaking, and lobbies are really bad which makes me not want to play it.
Same
No ranked
No matchmaking
No frame data/frame meter
No replay rewind button
No replay takeover
when tekken of all games has all of these. you know you messed up
Replay can’t have rewind in current implementation, it’s just impossible to add rewind without fully remaking replay feature. And they cant just remake replay because it will not support old saved replays.
Replay takeover should be very easy to implement, but it’s such a random feature, I don’t even know why would you want it. Like how would you even use it?opponent’s button presses are recorded and won’t change when you take over and change yours, so after you make one different move, it will throw off the recording. That’s it, you can use it to change your moves and watch the opponent’s moves make now sense after that
Not tekken’s fault when strive refuses to be caught up with newer fighting games in terms of features 🙃
@@rasifurefodi8306 strive devs chose not the best implementation of a replay feature and now can’t just change it because of problems they and the community will need to face. They probably can find some tacky solution for this but it’s not worth it in my opinion.
Tekken is a good game, all power to it.
I still can’t fathom how replay takeover is useful
Not making excuses for Arcsys cause it should just be in the game but there's a modded in frame data meter that's very good in case you didn't know
I’m genuinely curious why Arcsys are so committed to these goddamn lobbies, I’d love for a direct, honest to god explanation for it. Surely after the 7th(?) time they’ve made one of these, they’ve realised no one likes them and they only make things worse
Every Arcsys game I have played with these systems that isn't Strive (Granblue / BBTAG / P4 Arena) have worked perfectly fine and I highly doubt any of them besides the one that doesn't work which is the one in Strive has made the game worse. I also doubt that no one likes them because I do, I think they're neat and add character to any game that has them. They just have to actually function and no one will complain. Bonus points if a game has both the lobbies and matchmaking. (Like Sf6 and Tekken and Granblue)
the same reason why they’re so committed to wall breaks (they don’t know)
@@airrhearrt2865 i agree. the lobbies themselves aren’t the problem it’s the horrific implementation. even in a closed beta 2xko’s lobby system was head and shoulders over strive’s.
@@airrhearrt2865 i agree. the lobbies aren’t the problem; it’s the horrific implementation. even in a closed beta, 2xko’s lobby system was head and shoulders over strive’s.
@@airrhearrt2865 alright, I’ll concede that saying “no-one likes them” is an unfair assessment, even I like some elements of them. But, hand to god, I genuinely cannot think of an instance where I’d prefer to have Arcsys lobby/avatar system over a traditional matchmaking option. If I’m being generous, maybe I’d give Granblue some slack since they’re clearly trying to do more with it but that’s about it. Stuff like this should never, imo, be the main focus of a matchmaking system. If anything, it should be an option like it is in SF and Tekken; a secondary layer of matchmaking for those who want it. Queuing to match from the main menu shouldn’t dump me in a random tower with 2 other dudes, it should just find me a match
Despite loving the actual fighting part of this fighting game, no matchmaking has stopped me completely from playing this game. Booting up sf6 and T8 gets me into a match in less than 5 minutes. In those 5 minutes, arcsys is still communicating with the server at the pre main menu.
its insane how innovative strive was being one of the first major Japanese companies giving in and putting in rollback for them to fall behind on important features like matchmaking and replay takeover and frame data etc. :/
its genuinely hell in australia. no one plays tower in aus, so your only options are the japan or US west coast servers, and even then youre lucky to get 150 ping, and most people dont match if youre 150 or higher too. if we just had matchmaking we could set and forget so much easier - not have to worry about hooing to find another aussie in another country and let the game handle that shif for us
The funniest thing to me is that the Team of 3 mode they keep working on DOES seem to have more traditional matchmaking. You go from a menu and even have a rank assigned and they try to get you with similar ranks for games....I'll just cope that maybe they're using that mode to also try out retrofitting that matchmaking into the full game. I really wish they would.
Propably not, its never happened before and it wont happen this time.
This is probably one of those games/series where the appeal for me is the "soul" of it with the aesthetic, gameplay, music and characterisation which really vibes with me. But the user experience itself does a bad job letting people lean into those strengths naturally when the player constantly has to fight the game with the menus and lobbies.
It actually reminds me a lot of how people used to view early 3D Sonic games. I completely get why people love Sonic Adventure 2, I still acknowledge it's a bit rough to play and the onboarding experience probably isn't the best.
Same, except I feel like Strive lost a lot of the GG "soul" with the change in UI, addition of wall breaks, and loss of half of most characters' movelists.
@@Ketsuekisan Nah, it carved out its own identity, but I understand if it doesn't click with you as much. When I look at the evolving character designs and writing, and seeing character tracks have references to their old motifs, I can tell they love their baby.
I always encourage devs to try out new stuff. While I understand the motto of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", when you're being an artist you eventually have to experiment, such as with the Wallbreak, fast RC cancels and Wild Assault. Otherwise, you risk hitting burnout considering this series is +20 years old.
Of course, there is some stuff I do agree on. Mainly the lack of unique outro dialogue exchanges for the whole cast (it's done on an individual case-by-case basis like with Goldlewis, but it's weird). The UI is another part that's just strange. It feels placeholder and I thought it would later be changed. It's a weird amalgamation of ups and downs that, again, feel like how Sonic games work.
What is this new buzzword placeholder? Lack of unique outro dialogue who cares?
So basically you *watch* GG instead of *playing* it.
People like you are the reason why Strive is the way it is now.
@@leithaziz2716 Oh, I love the new character designs(other than Ky) and the music, it's just everything else I'm not really a fan of.
12:32 michael sword hitbox so big it hit the cat
"Four Seasons in and still no X" is something you can say about a bunch of things in this game
Menus still look placeholder and the servers are still a mess, but I'm glad I can punish my opponent for pressing something from fullscreen by making them watch a small movie
Short list off the top of my head, still no
- Matchmaking/ranked mode
-frame data
-hitbox viewer
-replay take over
-ability to leave training mode matchmaking without having to back out to the main menu
-consistently working lobby
Theres more you could add im sure. but hey at least we're getting a 3v3 mode no one asked for.
@Slybandito7 Hey Brazil, you guys are getting a brazilian portuguese translation! No, not a dub, just the translation.
@@Slybandito7 the one Isuka player raised his weary head, then realized it's not that kind of 3v3 and went back to sleep, deep in slumber forevermore until the day when Ravens stop airdashing over Potemkin.
hold on i didnt ask for 3v3 but the mode is gas so im with it
@@nds_stylesavvy there's nothing wrong with a 3v3 inherently but considering the basic functions and features that are still missing it should have been a lower priority
It's wild to think Strive's done as well as it has for as long as it has despite hackerman AND not having matchmaking lol, imagine the timeline where neither of these things were true
Sajam talking about Sol, Leo, Ram, Nago and HC always being strong really speaks to me cause I feel the same way. Just for one season, let these guys sit down.
it’s honestly insane how the strive developers have just completely neglected to add any key features to the game in four years. any multiplayer game without matchmaking is unthinkable.
playing anything other than long sets with friends in this game is completely miserable and it’s a big reason why i fall off of strive every other month or two of playing. it’s so tedious to get into a game compared to any other game i play where all you have to do is press a damn button.
the lobby system is easily, without a doubt, the worst part of guilty gear strive.
Not really insane, seems that people still play the game regardless if there is no matchmaking.
I dont see how it is misreable, you can get games pretty easily.
@@lampad4549 getting matches is so good everyone in this comment session is complaining about it.
I give you 2 days in latam trying to find matches and you'll change your opinion.
@@lampad4549 Except a lot of others don't. Sajam said in the video that he doesn't play almost exclusively because of it, and its a big reason a lot of others don't still play consistently, like myself. You can get games easily, but there's no way to know if it'll be a fair fun game. I still play the game sometimes, but I and many others would play a lot more if there was elo
@@wolfpacore tbf, strive matchmaking is not very good but I would rather have this that something like lol skewd matching with loosers queue.
I actually started playing ac+R and in the first 10 ranked game s, the closest one with my level was someone with 7000 games played.... And I had 12.
Bottom line: the matchmaking is not good but honestly, when was a macthmaking ever good? For me it's worse the fact that there is no way to check for frame in game.
@@lorenzolombardi3369this comparison is awful. AC+R is over a decade old with matchmaking that was bolted on a few years ago, built on an even older version of Guilty Gear XX. The majority of people left playing it are die hard long timers, of course you won’t find anyone that is also a fresh beginner in the matchmaking pool.
No matchmaking is the reason why I left the game, I really hoped they would implement it
gg never had matchmaking like sf or tekken
@@lil_Alii1this isnt 2006 on the playstation 2. they can throw together matchmaking. they have it for 3v3
@@soppo_404they are very attached to that aesthetic and people still play money for the game. If you have a "vision" for the game and people still play why would change it.
@@lil_Alii1 This is factually incorrect. AC+R has a quick match mode which is where the majority of people play.
Factually, all the discource about "Why X character is so broken" would be solved by a skill based matchmaking.
the [character strength/player skill] ratio will push stronger characters slightly higher up in MMR, so a 1800ELO slayer would be a worse player than a 1800ELO zato. But they're both 1800ELO players.
PLS ARC SYS GIVE US MATCHMAKING WITH 3v3 RELEASE
i’ve just accepted that this game is never going to have proper matchmaking. unfortunately, that makes it more or less impossible to take seriously as a competitive game as someone with no interest in becoming a tournament player, but it is what it is.
@@eebbaa5560 well it's not that matchmaking makes it harder to play on the competitive level. After all, you don't have matchmaking when you play brackets. But it does make the casual experience much worse.
rly want a slam for this game but i have no idea how the ranked experience would be like so nevermind
They would have to use RU elo probably
Love hopping back into this game every few months and seeing absolutely nothing changed about the matchmaking. Need to know why arcsys is so insistent on this shitass tower system instead of a proper ranked mode
Because the tower system gives the game its own unique vibe and experience rather than being another corporate copy and paste
@@lampad4549 That's like saying a restaurant serving a burnt food is it's own unique vibe and experience rather than a "normies" place
@@MaxAntsiferov yes
@@lampad4549 bro you've replied to nearly every comment talking about matchmaking. Chill out? Lol
@@lampad4549 they can keep the tower if they want some wack ass habbo hotel lobby system but for the love of god this game desperately needs an actual ranked mode where you cant just dodge bad matchups and your climb isnt dictated by only win streaks.
Slide head doing damage is evil
I want to play strive so bad, but between the short matches and network errors, you stay more time outside matches than inside. It also doesn't help that my region's tower died and everyone just went to other regions... real matchmaking would solve even that, because there are tons of players from my region, they're just not using our server.
I haven’t played in a year as well and after coming back it feels like the servers are somehow worse lmao
They really not, people just blowing a minor inconvience out of proportion, but this is post millenial everybody is a karen
@lampad4549 i have no idea why you're running defense for what is an objectively a very flawed system. no one is denying that hopping on a virtual cabinet is a cool feeling but there are still too many problems with the lobby and tower system that need to be addressed in the first place. and yeah people will complain about it because good netplay is the most important of modern fighting games, what else would anyone buy the game for?
The lack of matchmaking is _especially_ bad if you're a LATAM player, because _for some reason_ 99% of the south american playerbase plays on the NA lobbies. So if you want to play in the tower, in your own floor, you gotta go in the NA tower and trudge through matches with pings of 150, 200, and upwards, with NO IDEA who is or isn't on wifi. Fellas the netcode is good but it's not so good that I can play with fckn 6-7 frames of rollback and not feel it.
That's a good point too, I think a lot of people who keep parroting "works for me bro sorry" are forgetting that there's a world outside of America and Japan. In fact the reigning AWT champion is a dude from fucking Senegal, imagine what he had to put up with to grind enough to get that good.
Feels nice to see Sajam playing Strive again. Love watching this game. But yeah, just wish their updates and patches had addressed the very serious problems with matchmaking and general quality of life features instead of giving us a 3-v-3 mode no one will ever take seriously.
36:53 love how the gravity staff was placed just in time to catch the last cube and fling it back from offscreen to Sajam lol
The down time finding matches in this game is down bad
Been saying it for 2 years, no ranked mode and tower matchmaking is ass. Dont know how there is no changes still
38:20 I can't tell wtf happened here. Did Zato Unsummon, but the animation got eaten by rollback? He was able to block right after Frog, and he got his Eddie meter back, too.
Raw summon, negative edge frog. Dizzy's attack missed Eddie, so Zato blocks (which unsummons Eddie automatically) and the Eddie gauge instantly refreshes
@@Ragness10 That's pretty neat, I didn't know negative edge let Zato do Eddie specials with less recovery. Thanks!
@@VannTango It’s not that there’s less recovery. Eddie’s acting independently from Zato. Zato ISN’T doing a move, so there’s NO recovery
the GGST tower is such a trainwreck
People defending the dogshit tower system in the comments are legit mentally insane
People crying about it should stfu if Sajam can get matches you can too.
@@Half_Bl00d_H3R0 "Stop complaining about the product you spent 70 dollars on, btw please buy our four seasons worth of DLC"
True but it's nothing new and it's not even Strive specific sadly. People defended SF5 launching always online with no content. People defended BBTag DLC. People defended Tekken 7 with no tutorial and bad netcode. Gamers just have no standards and tie their identity to products so they get defensive when those products are criticized, even though improving upon them would make them more enjoyable for EVERYONE.
y'know i hadn't really thought of it until watching this but if you read between the lines the patch notes just say "Fuck that Sajam guy, we're totally changing Sol and Sin and giving Ramlethal a buggy guard crush move"
But they also gave Goldlewis BT cancel so is it really a fuck Sajam patch
idk why it's not talked about as much anymore, how bad the online experience is. maybe i'm mistaken, or maybe people have concluded that it'll just never get better? either way, it's easily the worst thing about this game. there's nothing more frustrating than loving a game that makes itself difficult to play. in beta was one thing but we're 3 years into the life of this game at this point
Either people decided it's just never going to get better, or most of the people complaining about it got tired of being shouted down by people who think Daisuke can do no wrong and his *[Vision]* is immaculate.
@@Ketsuekisan I've been in the community for a while and no one is "shouting down". Is really just that most people have voiced their complaint already, and they still do in most chats. At some point, you let the game speak for itself and don't feel the need to repeat yourself.
@@leithaziz2716 Haters really do be out here thinking they're the silent majority. As a game Strive is great and is still very much Guilty Gear, and Arc Sys simply can't satisfy everyone. They can't satisfy the ones that want it to be identical to Xrd or +R and they can't satisfy the ones who want it to be identical to Xrd but have never played Xrd so don't know what that would be.
Networking issues are obviously legitimate, especially frustrating for custom room online tournaments where it also seems like some sacred rite need to be performed to not upset the networking gods but that is not an intentional design of the game.
@@gwen9939Most of the comments on this video are from people who WANT to play the game and like what it offers, but can't because they struggle to find matches due to the nonexistent matchmaking. I don't think anyone who believes Strive is some major disgrace to the franchise would even care, if anything they'd probably enjoy less people being able to play it.
On slowing down Anji: The ice removes all forward movement from Fuujins and spins. As Anji, playing against a Dizzy that's larping a zoner is very painful.
recently bought strive as my first fighting game and the no matchmaking stuff really sucks, specially here in latam
fingers crossed the 3v3 matchmaking is a test for normal matchmaking and we'll get it dropped in soon, its the primary reason i exclusively play offline at grind seshes or after finding someone in the discords to grind with, ladder is so scuffed to find matches in
If people made more noises regarding matchmaking there would be chances of it getting improved, tragically that isn't the case the latest complaint has been Sajam with the current video and a few months ago Jiyuna spoke about it too.
Wish more complaints were said on twitter and social media about this matchmaking, doubt there's any hope anymore though
Don't they put out a survey every time they do a developers backyard? I'm convinced they know what we want and just don't care because it would either take too much effort this late in the game's life or someone at Arcsys is stubbornly attached to the dogshit lobbies.
There's some karmic justice in seeing Dizzy not being able to dash over slidehead anymore. ( Yes it was a thing for 20 years )
That's how I feel when I block Sol's DP and immediately kill him off of it because he can't RC it on block anymore lol.
watching the anji counter super still miss even after the buff hurt my soul
I dont understand what yall mean by lack of matchmaking? Is it the quality of matches? Or at the higher floors is it hard to find people to match with? Or does it have to do with the skill matching?
Print out this comment section and staple it to daisukes door bc how the hell can this game be over 3 years old and be this frustrating to just get into a game. I love strive with all my heart but come on
Waiting for the next new GG game to jump in. I’m sure they’ll take notes from sf6 , tekken 8 etc on online match, training mode etc
Game definetly looks better than season 3 gameplay wise since Wild Assault was a mistake. But it's still a meme.
Even 5 years into its lifespan they haven't fixed the matchmaking issues in the lobbies. But at least they stay true to the Mahjong design philosophy so you still explode in three hits. Credit where credit is due.
37:48 You joke... but you are 100% right lol
I really love Strive, I finally joined when Elphelt released (been wanting to play at least since Bridget was out) but man...
The match quality can be all over the place, which is something real matchmaking would fix I hope.
Too bad ArcSys is allergic to it...
I just bought GG a couple of days ago only to find out that there isn't any matchmaking, also no easily accessible frame data. Games fun but I am a tiny bit salty.
What can I do in this game other than playing online? I imagine I can only play outside of my region, so ping 200 lol, maybe it's not worth it for me
Day 1 of asking Sajam to play Dizz… Wait, never mind.
mtg mentioned
Wings of light is the Azor's Elocutors of Guilty Gear
...I don't think ASW knows what "increasing the number of intersections" means, guys...
As a strive hater, trying to give this season a chance, the tower system is so trash. Staying in celestial is a bit of a struggle, but there is zero comparison to it, in floor 10. It'd be like if I got to D5 beating up silvers in sf6, but to get to master I need to fight legend players lol. No offence to the silvers out there. Like why are such lower ranks allowed into 10, but also why is it so easy to climb, but also to fall.
Also funny to see Sajam sigh and stuff so much during this. Cause I feel like no matter the rank or player, people be pressing buttons nonstop. I know it is just kind of how the game is played, but geez.
Wait…how is it possible that something so basic as matchmaking is left out of Strive?
I think this lobby system is neat cause it let's you hunt matchups and whatnot if you're that kind of player. But it's really not great if you're not that kind of player. Which is like a majority of the playerbase lol.
And doesn't help that it breaks half the time lol
Squeaky wheel ass move
The first time I played this character, I thought there was a cat meowing outside my front door.
Arcsys lack of proper matchmaking is the only reason I can play em online. Live in South Africa so closest europe connection is 160ms. With SF6 who doesn't just ping limit to the best besides Africa and South America, and our connections are awful at 300+ ping. 50 south africans playing spread across how many ranks means I'm staring at a menu for an hour before finding a local.
Despite no matchmaking in GGST, I still haven't encountered one and done players since release day compared to Tekken 8..
Not trying to defend GGST for the lack of innovation, at least I get good matches.
Yeah I'm trying to play Dizzy and the Pot matchup makes reconsider reinstalling the game
1:50 it really was sin always seems to lose what makes him fun/cool but he's super strong now so what do you do
you just explained strive
@@ratedr7845 on God lol. every character is a shell of their former selves but they do a million damage now so it’s fine. thanks devs 😁
@@eebbaa5560 sadly, I don't think arcsystem will go back to xrd gameplay
Dizzy is so cool
They killed sol in this patch..
24:43
Once again, Elphelt has killed Guilty Gear😞
if GG had SF6 matchmaking it would be #1 fighting game I mean it is #1 but SV6 matchmaking is just better
Why tf would you be able to 2K pots bMF?
0:41 this is funny cause Japan thinks she's ass lol
The ram slander will not stand! And no i dont main her because of feet. I mod Js on her
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So wild to see people in the comments finally starting to acknowledge the faults in Strive that have been around for years, when the first people to bring them up would just get shouted down for daring to question *[Daisuke's Vision].*
GGST's lame "floors" system and shitty lobbies are the main reason I stopped playing this game. SF6 is sooooo much better in that regard, it makes no sense GGST didn't even try to catch up....
29:46
I feel the same tbh. Just for once
Everyone in the comments are completely ignoring that arc sys has been very vocal about their tower system. The direction was to allow an easier and less intense multiplayer experience for people. That means being able to choose your matches, play with a definitive amount of matches, and explore the levels of strengths at your own leisure bar celestial.
I’m not defending it, I have my gripes but arc sys time and time has explained the purpose of tower. There are much more issues with GGST network that is not related to matchmaking. I honestly feel capcom is the only team that truly made a successful matchmaking mode and it started at SFV.
They can explain all they want, it's still dogshit and has no basis in reality. It doesn't even succeed at what it's trying to do because the rank up/down criteria is literal nonsense.
As the only fighting game I've sat down and played, I don't understand why people shit on the tower so much. I log in, join a floor, and get paired up into a match in something like 1-2 minutes tops. What is missing so desperately that you still bought the game despite it's absence?
t8 MM da best
Laughed at the MTG comment. Not only does that happen, there's an entire community of gambling morons (sorry, "speculators") who preorder 20 copies of the 5 mana card so they can try to sell them for a profit.
As a certified Strive hater, I would totally play if they had regular matchmaking lol I can deal with what I don't like about the gameplay, but then the lobby stuff drives me insane.
How is Ram STILL in people's mouths alongside Leo, H. Chaos, and Nago for "always been good"? Faust (random example) has never not outperformed her in overall tournament placements, every version!
Lots of people play her, like 2 of them EVER get into top 8. Then you bag on Wings of Light because everyone says it's broken but it doesn't work. It's literally the same mental mixup, but they got you on Ram.
I want matchmaking but only in Celestial
Love the floor system tbh
Genuinely curious about what aspects of the floor system you like, I can't stand it personally.
@@pootsiii8178it just doesn’t work at all. floor 10 is everyone from people with a good grounding to people with thousands of hours. celestial is a similar clash of people who are just very good at the game and top level pros. it doesn’t work for casuals and it doesn’t work for competitive players
I personally love how volatile it is. If you're on a hot streak you REALLY get to fuck around and find out. I hate how it caps how low you can go so you can't learn new characters as easy, and how you constantly get put into empty rooms and stupid shit like that
@@pootsiii8178 for me personally I have a lot of experience with elo based games and people really overvalue the idea of elo. There are a lot of ways to funnel it especially in 1v1 game and a lot of ways for the development to screw the player invisibility (looser queue in lol)
At least if I'm floor 6, I know I'm gonna find people who are roughly my skill level, if they try to smurf they will quickly be ranked up and won't screw many players.
Actually strives solved a lot of problems with smurfing which is impressive, but still has problems
I frankly don’t care, I’ve sorta just been fine with what I have, the closest I ever even got to matchmaking is tf2, not only is it not in my interest, I’ve never even experienced it 😊
I'll never stop saying it. GG got sold out to the trans brisket crowd that only buys funkos and hoodies instead of playing the game. That's where all the arcsys budget is going. You will never get matchmaking.
Keep saying it with the pfp of a character who cross dressed, it makes it funnier for us
The game had these problems well before they even added Bridget you fucking schizo.