Hey Geekerwan,👀 it feels like forever since you graced our screens on the English channel. We, your fans, hold onto those videos like treasured keepsakes. Your content back then was a breath of fresh air, and it's amazing to see you continue to create such engaging and informative videos. We miss your presence on the English channel, but more importantly, the world needs your voice. Your unique perspective and passion are a beacon of light for so many viewers. We yearn for that spark again, that energy that ignited our love for learning. Please, Geekerwan, consider returning to the English channel. It wouldn't be the same without you.😔😔 Please come back to the English channel and spread ur expertise to a wider world tooo
据我所知近期已经在增加英语频道人手了，应该很快会增加英语视频的更新速度了。 To my knowledge, they have recently been adding more staff to the English channel, so the update speed of English videos should increase soon. (Translate using Copilot.)
They have very limited manpower, which was not enough to support the production of English version videos. The good news is that their team has expanded, and now there are people specifically responsible for the English channel. Therefore, there will definitely be updates in the future.
Whether the English channel will continue to be updated depends on how many Chinese manufacturers want to promote their products on TH-cam. Judging from the updates of the English channel, things are not going well.
The power efficiency of Apple is actually insane! Their chips deliver higher performance witn higher power consumption but only when needed. For the majority of time, they just consumer similar or less power for higher performance. That's insane there!
I'm quite surprised to see them push clock frequencies so high, especially given the regression in efficiency. On one hand, it's a bit cool to see such a wide core running so fast, but I never thought Apple would prioritize performance over battery life. Baffling.
I can’t understand any Chinese, but thanks to English subtitles i can totally understand what you are trying to say, but i was expecting any videos on Geekarwan Eng Channel on youtube, can someone please upload some videos in English please?❤
According to the blogger's live broadcast on bilibili, the studio has been very busy recently, so it has slowed down the update of the English channel.
The optimization for apple chips must be crazy good to get such good efficiency even in gpu heavy games like star rail, if both 3dmark and gfxbench show them being worse than mtk and sd.
Hey 👋 long time follower here. Been wanting to ask, will there be a same video but in English? Or are u guys looking to do different types of content on your English channel?
As a Mobile Gamer, i rather choose to Ipad Pro M4 or Iphone 15 Pro Max than another normal phone android, except gaming phone like ROG Phone and Redmagic, it's different story.
I know that for RE4 and Death stranding you can configure the settings files to change some game settings (resolution, upscaling, texture quality). While developers should update the app, perhaps it would’ve been interesting to see how much you could push it. because at default, even for M2 the visuals look very blurry.
@@fernvenue thanks I wasn't sure of the reason through the CC translations. Eitherway, that's odd because on my iPad Pro M2 it does change, but I presume the device profile is game specific so if there's a mismatch it defaults to the highest platform profile.
@@R3endevous Yea, they did this on previous video when they play the game with M2 iPad Pro, and they did mentioned that they also wondering why on M4 iPad they can't manually edit the configuration files.
Hey Geekerwan,👀 it feels like forever since you graced our screens on the English channel. We, your fans, hold onto those videos like treasured keepsakes. Your content back then was a breath of fresh air, and it's amazing to see you continue to create such engaging and informative videos. We miss your presence on the English channel, but more importantly, the world needs your voice. Your unique perspective and passion are a beacon of light for so many viewers. We yearn for that spark again, that energy that ignited our love for learning. Please, Geekerwan, consider returning to the English channel. It wouldn't be the same without you.😔😔 Please come back to the English channel and spread ur expertise to a wider world tooo
据我所知近期已经在增加英语频道人手了，应该很快会增加英语视频的更新速度了。
To my knowledge, they have recently been adding more staff to the English channel, so the update speed of English videos should increase soon.
(Translate using Copilot.)
Same bro🤝
They have very limited manpower, which was not enough to support the production of English version videos. The good news is that their team has expanded, and now there are people specifically responsible for the English channel. Therefore, there will definitely be updates in the future.
have en，but is not update 😂
There are subtitles, you know.
N3E 是 N3B cost down 後的版本
目的在 PPA 相近之下
提供更 affordable 的3奈米製程
懂得都懂O
其實是便宜版的N3
E是 economic
不是 enhancement
若比不過N3B 也是有可能的
@@johnchen6783 N3E是N3B妥協SRAM大小後的產物，都沒瑕疵的情況下N3E肯定比不過N3B，只是N3B良率太差-->太貴，沒人用得下去才出N3E
終於看到正常腦袋的留言了........
這樣是不是下一代會更好？ 好像是N3X吧？🤔
還是台積電3奈米製程技術不行了
要等2奈米換新的製程技術才有差？
之前好像看過一些文章是這樣說
M4在ipadOS的加持下
只有拉動進度條的時候會快一點這功能
哈哈哈，精辟
聽起來好悲劇，如升(級)
一下没绷住，虽然你说的是对的
原神提升明显！
性能最好的观影设备！
11:47 14900K那橙色功耗條 笑死
突破天際😂
🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭
13 14代一堆都操到縮缸了，連I5都一大票回應
完全讓姓A的看不到車尾燈
@@jerryhuang3565 缩肛是什么，请教一下。
The Intel power bar going off screen is hilarious
iPad os 真的是唯一限制所有m系列能發揮的功用，就算m1好了，到現在iPad os 也沒有多少程式能利用完全（玩遊戲除外）
也根本沒啥人在ipad上玩遊戲，寥寥可數的3A遊戲。不如老老實實及早把Mac上的滿血應用移到iPad上。
@@ToBehonestly492 手遊多開很好用
@@ToBehonestly492 我之前會拿來玩跑跑卡丁車XD
真的 身为一个码农 iPad对我来说除了当MacBook的第二银幕之外完全没有帮助
2018年买的A12X iPad Pro，6年了还是超级流畅没有换机动力啊😂
感謝分享 優質頻道 🎉
Been waiting this for so long
真的是M1 iPad繼續戰 用快三年 體驗還是跟當初新買的一樣
在別篇說平板界沒有一個可以打贏iPad的被網友反駁，結果我說我現在用的就是M1多公雙開遊戲加直播，反而被質疑為何不用桌機😂
三開APP已經是iPad pro M1的極限了，因為功耗被鎖在40瓦或是性能極限就在那。
这跟以前的电视一样，人家已经用到面板都更新好几代了，LCD这台还老是不坏。。。你说我买那么贵就为了它耐用吗
是这样的，我在m2的ipad发布以后，毫不犹豫地购入了ipad pro 2021
@@poohoo4997 我的M1 12.9 256G wifi 现在还有两个月的保修，去年全新未开封入的库存货，相当于人民币5330。
@@使徒行者-j9q 我的4790k+970还是不舍得换😂，太耐用了。
太專業了，等的就是你們的解析！
我好期待M4版能不能賣Mac mini，我想買一台。
N2後面還有A16 , A16後面還有A14.....
再後面還有CFET 的A10 1nm世代 ......何來到頭?
M3/M4只是剛好距離太近，用了相似小調整的製程, M4選擇是優先拉高良率，不能代表半導體製程到極限, 後面還有好幾個新製程在排隊等上馬
SoC 與晶圓製程，會持續發展，何來盡頭之說? 換新架構是進化，而非舊架構的盡頭。
除非那天人類退回 19世紀，完全不用 IC, 不然 SoC 是看不到盡頭。
@@旁觀-o7d 你知道1nm約等於10a嗎? 原子有最小不可分割性 所以的確製程已經到盡頭了 除非3D堆疊 但那也只是架構優化 不然也只能期待還在實驗室裡量子電腦
@@ofcakeapiece687 你自己都講出答案了, 46 年前的 8086 CPU 只跑 5M Hz, 10 年後再來看此視頻, 肯定覺得眼界狹小.
@@旁觀-o7d 有没有注意到从N5到N3E，SRAM密度是停滞的，光有逻辑密度提升，SRAM结构要存电荷，所以密度很难再提升了。
@@旁觀-o7d 科技进步的速率不是线性的。往往一招鲜的，边际效益越来越低。
雖然iPad勝在了處理器，卻輸在在iPadOS
再認同不過
但跑macos太難為他了，Macbook pro cpu室溫26的時候也得40多度，還是屏幕和主板分開的，這ipad屏幕背後就是M處理器，沒風扇，小身板，跑macos估計不跑其他應用就得50多度....
@@ToBehonestly492台灣高溫都有38度了，上五十度已經是很保守了！
iPad Pro現在定位是真的尷尬
输？？？他输给谁了？论输赢要找个对等的对手啊
12:50 加油啊AMD 全村的希望XDDDDDDDDDD
x86的生死存亡就靠amd了
卡卡罗特会修行带着界王拳回来的。
我只看好高通的x-elite， AMD和Intel都要靠边站，一天不换架构就没有优势可言，换Arm或risc V可能才有看头，intel唯一可以指望可能是他们晶片代工做得起来，CPU根本不看好
@@tysloo81 難吧，微軟系統不合沒推廣也沒用，看看過去的Arm本...
@@samwu8070？生死存亡？一大堆专业软件只能依赖于x86来运行诶，这些东西啥时候有arm版本再说吧
yeayyyyy, still waiting in English channel
on now
Whether the English channel will continue to be updated depends on how many Chinese manufacturers want to promote their products on TH-cam. Judging from the updates of the English channel, things are not going well.
iPad Pro 是性能強橫的追劇神器，不要有其他奢望❤
追劇用途幹嘛不拿小米平板，充的快電量大處理器還是旗艦級的
@@Sniper_the_seal 屏幕不夠漂亮
@@hen-tai-san 確實，apple的螢幕顯示效果很不錯
其實創作還滿好用的，有那個筆
@@jerryhuang3565很多用ipad pro創作的繪師
真感觉现在这里的评测已经超过LTT了
LTT本来就是娱乐性的啊
外網還真沒國內hardcore
GAMERS NEXUS Much better than LTT
LTT是偏整节目效果的吧
现在的LTT的评测都太片面了😢
標題改為 FinFET 架構快到頭了就沒毛病
台積電 3 奈米一口氣還規劃了 5 個版本
務必壓榨出 FinFET 的最後一絲價值
可說台積電彷彿是個錙銖必較的土豪
至於 N3E 的好處
主要是成本比 N3B 低
表現還稍好一點
至於總的來講到不到頭
依目前技術能見度
IMEC roadmap 已規劃到 2036 年 0.2 奈米等效製程
主要是架構和材料依舊持續在突破
但多說無益
就看未來實際進展的表現如何了
研究帮他装个mac os
utm了解一下
这样就成Macbook mini了🤣
这么专业详细的分析也TH-cam仅此一家了，还贴心地给英文字幕。
字幕这块建议以后把这个上下文的“满血”翻译成 unbinned, “残血”翻译成 binned. Binning是生产时关闭CPU核的过程。
等了好久啊😂😂😂
終於🎉🎉🎉
微軟剛推出的AI PC 也是使用arm 架構，期待M4 在Macbook 上AI 方面的表現！始終ipad OS很難發揮M4 芯片性能～
等好久終於等到了
N3E 的出現不就是原來的N3B
良率太低成本太高大家都用不起
所以放寬一些標準讓成本降低、良率提高
以便於提高出貨量
有了大量的出貨量才能快速提高良率
本來就會比原來的N3B差才對
沒看到年底一堆用N3E的晶片要上市了
能讓大家用的起才是N3E本來的目的
早該如此，我的7600X現在天氣熱開機沒多久，整個反應時間就拉長，機子太熱性能根本無法發揮，反而增加了延遲反應時間。晶片是很怕熱的，一熱性能就狂掉，不然就要花幾萬買個高檔水冷系統。
🎉終於等到
3nm相信會是半導體架構的極限了，雖然2nm是可以生產出來，但良率應該會極低，而換來的性能提升應該會非常之有限。
現在最重要的是在3nm製程成熟的情況之下儘量以不同的架構去搾取最大的效能，這點上蘋果在沒有太多包袱的情況之下是最有可能做得到的公司。不過若果要這樣做的話蘋果可能需要將mobile跟desktop cpu的架構脫鈎，以免被對方拖後腿，影響性能表現。
终于等到更新了
辛苦了，看来看去还是你们的内容专业！
其實會不會今天的M4 是蘋果開始立項時的"M3"呢？就因為台積電N3E 推遲了所以減些架構上N3B而推出了現在的M3？
The power efficiency of Apple is actually insane! Their chips deliver higher performance witn higher power consumption but only when needed. For the majority of time, they just consumer similar or less power for higher performance. That's insane there!
I'm quite surprised to see them push clock frequencies so high, especially given the regression in efficiency. On one hand, it's a bit cool to see such a wide core running so fast, but I never thought Apple would prioritize performance over battery life. Baffling.
不是研发效率高、而是N3E是早就计划好的，N3B是N3E没有准备好之前临时拼凑的产物，为了着急上3nm
28:50 不會吧GAA和封裝還有很多可以玩呢
我感覺至少近十幾年不會到頭
看來可以放心買 M3 pro 的macbook pro了
這次M4的調教策略感覺是為了未來插電的mac studio 跟 Mac pro準備的
WOW this performance review + battery test is on another level! 👏👏👏 🌹🌹
期待评测刚刚发布的 surface arm
自从用过田牌的SB2之后，我就在也不想入手任何一款田牌的笔记本电脑了
*萎軟*那家出的sb拉基筆記本可以用以下文句來比喻:
要性能沒性能，要性價比也沒有，性價比比貧果更差
就等你们了🎉
这期确实不错，点赞了
N3E的取向不是性能跟功耗 是便宜
手機都幾年換一次了，IPad各位又幾年換一次呢?
依舊是秀肌肉產品 順便把價格往上推一把 以後一般消費級產品才好跟進 這才是蘋果策略！
2017的Pro還在服役
2018的ipad pro 放到現在也沒有任何不足
2017 10.5“ iPad Pro 服役中加一，iPad 是真的很耐用
5年
因为太专业， 我能做的就是替你点个赞了。
很期待未来能有办法让ipadOS跑 MacOS或者Windows系统
Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
From Geekerwan I wish,
Make videos in English
❤
不是有字幕吗？
There are subtitles.
@@tsaiyiko9039 更方便
@@tsaiyiko9039 I know.
感謝版主精闢的分析.
確實台積電在先進封裝與製程有些瓶頸，但輝達有解決方案，未來芯片能效突破會更快，而且生產成本更低。
等你们好久了啊
Ipad能做的事情不需要M4就能完成
给ipad安一个M4也不能做更多事情（受限于ipados和产品定位，总不可能让它去抢laptap的市场）
明年就是 ipad mac air/pro 了😂
基本上个人对性能的需求只有在游戏上了, 更普遍的是续航的需求，只使用一些最普通的app
I can’t understand any Chinese, but thanks to English subtitles i can totally understand what you are trying to say, but i was expecting any videos on Geekarwan Eng Channel on youtube, can someone please upload some videos in English please?❤
They are recruiting English content makers in China😂
According to the blogger's live broadcast on bilibili, the studio has been very busy recently, so it has slowed down the update of the English channel.
The optimization for apple chips must be crazy good to get such good efficiency even in gpu heavy games like star rail, if both 3dmark and gfxbench show them being worse than mtk and sd.
视频做得很好！准备买个iPad Pro M4，或者，Mac Mini pro M4！正在用MBA M1观看YT。
Can't wait for m4 in Macs. Wish they got the Tandem OLED too but that sounds like it's further out in 2026.
That’s such a long time when you consider other laptops have had OLED for the past 4-5 years it feels like.
Hey 👋 long time follower here. Been wanting to ask, will there be a same video but in English? Or are u guys looking to do different types of content on your English channel?
The channel is too small. There was no special person in charge of the English channel before, but now there is.
期待下一代GAA工艺吧，然后晶体管纵向堆叠，减少走线长度。至于FinFET，已到尽头。
這代ipad pro最強的是螢幕，其他賣點都不值一提
出个带充电接口和背面带散热风扇的桌面支架，办公挺好的
Thank you so much for this wonderful review. I just discovered your channel and subscribed.
Greetings from Türkiye :).
非常期待你们对前天发布的最新 *电脑版M4芯片* 的专业评测！
說盡頭也是沒錯 但不精確 精確地來說 是進步不會到頭的 但進步的幅度會越來越小 畢竟3nm 2nm 都已非常接近矽晶圓物理極限了
能耗表現等N3P或是N2吧
请教一下这个视频里面的数据是怎么制作的，真的好精致啊！
考虑到N3E在M4的表现，如然觉得手里的15 pro max也没有那么难受了。
如果散热做得好一些，我就没什么抱怨了。还有就是15pm玩wild rift竟然都开不了高帧率，无语至极
@@henryhuang6080 对呀，我原神之能加散热背甲，要不然烫手
A17是為了2022年量產的N3設計，但後來N3趕不上A16才變成N4P，N3的design早在2022年底就準備好了，一年半後換成N3E的迭代速度還算正常。
不要拿發表日期當作晶片設計完成的時間。
A16我記得不是N4嗎？22年好像只有聯發科的天璣9200用了N4P，而蘋果的A16和高通的驍龍8Gen2都只用了N4。
@@Unraku-ci2qdN3原本預定在2022H2 MP，但這從來沒發生，第一個MP的3nm節點是N3B，design house 通常都會有設計備案，所以2022年才以N4P代打，我個人認為蘋果本來是打算跳過N4製程的，像是N7P以後，蘋果也從未採用過N6的節點，而是直接進入N5。
根據semiwiki的資料 reurl.cc/r903Rr
N4系列在2022年只有N4P MP，N4X沒有提到，但肯定不會在2022年MP。
N3則是明確提到會在2022H2 MP，可惜後來發現問題，導致N3失敗而改以N3B替代。
N3E則是預定2023H2 MP，可以得知M4在2023年末/2024年初就已經準備好了。
@@Unraku-ci2qd Apple A16是N4P，2022H1發表的都還是N4，天機9200是H2 release的。
我就想知道现在能不能买M3的macbook air
请尝试 EXYNOS 2400
EXYNOS 2400 应该算是irrelevant 吧
@@qq_qq_qq 不，但我想知道它能达到某个程度有多“体面”，以及与 2200 相比提高了多少。
我最想看到的是效率曲率（每瓦性能）
原来发热，续航短，降频都是来自于miniled屏幕。。。
一直都是 所以Macbook Pro如果換上OLED續航應該也會大幅提升
miniLED在螢幕上出現SDR和HDR切換時還時常會造成CPU瞬間滿載 估計是要切換miniLED的背光模式
這就蠻耗電的
iphone这两年的问题不是性能而是散热，还有信号。 ipad的主要问题是，除非你是美术相关，否则一旦你毕业了，只能是流媒体启动器。
三星大囍？
"灣"有可能會測E2400和G3嗎？
很想了解三星近況
Exynos2400有中文媒體測過了，在這邊找大米評測就能找到，結果是能效仍然不好，4LPP+(三星第三代4奈米)還是沒打過tsmc N5
不曉得是不是有給好處，這裡竟然沒測Exynos 2400，三星經常用賤招，其實也不意外😂
三星S24 的CPU
台積電 vs 三星
這麼有話題性的題目，竟然沒有？ 太奇怪了
坦白说，虽然说 iPad Pro 性能足以完成比较复杂的视频剪辑工作，但我个人认为，大部分人可能还是喜欢用 MacBook Pro 来剪辑吧？起码我是，所以我还是比较期待 M4 Max 芯片的发布，赶紧的，只有 M1 Max 的我已经在心动 M3 Max 了
24:00 就可以用全開特效看轉圈圈
M4配個ipadOS跟有30cm卻不舉一樣
話不多說，先讚👍再看
As a Mobile Gamer, i rather choose to Ipad Pro M4 or Iphone 15 Pro Max than another normal phone android, except gaming phone like ROG Phone and Redmagic, it's different story.
期待M4 Max在mac studio的散热下面满频跑起来的效果，不过看这样子M4也算是把潜力挖完全了，不改架构就没法进步了
测评挺详细🎉
現在低階顯卡的功耗，是以前高階顯卡的功耗，每個晶片都像發情一樣熱。
没有npu的测评吗
24:00
等新的晶片可以穩定跑原神120fps
我就買❤
這次computex應該也會來吧
期待可以找機會專訪皮衣刀聖😂
等了很久！
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終於來了
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14900那可是在自殺電壓下跑出來的性能XD
每当国内媒体提到，xxx快到头了。我就想，应该还有很长的路程。新的创造，就在路上。
老實說每次都覺得晶片工藝要不行了的時候就會有人突然就又突破了
再继续突破没啥太大的作用了，能不能往量子计算机上靠一靠，到时候，算力不就起飞了，彻底解决cpu的性能瓶颈了，现在的玩法是做减法，太困难了，量子计算机是做加法可能会简单一点
如果苹果不在A18上使用N3P工艺。这代CPU提升估计也很有限。
我的M1 還是很好用，希望有殺手級應用推我上M4Max
m1最成功 我對他印象比較好 比起M2 M3 M4。筆電還是M1 pro 16g內存的MacBook Pro
台積已經發布1.4奈米的開發製成計畫了，四奈米也將進入便宜可以量產的階段⋯⋯
所以到頭了？估計暫時還沒有看到盡頭
至少1奈米的可能性是有了
现在就是制程工艺对于性能没有跨越式的提升了
I know that for RE4 and Death stranding you can configure the settings files to change some game settings (resolution, upscaling, texture quality).
While developers should update the app, perhaps it would’ve been interesting to see how much you could push it. because at default, even for M2 the visuals look very blurry.
That guy already said that they tried to edit configuration files manually but nothing changed, some games completely locked settings :)
@@fernvenue thanks I wasn't sure of the reason through the CC translations. Eitherway, that's odd because on my iPad Pro M2 it does change, but I presume the device profile is game specific so if there's a mismatch it defaults to the highest platform profile.
@@R3endevous Yea, they did this on previous video when they play the game with M2 iPad Pro, and they did mentioned that they also wondering why on M4 iPad they can't manually edit the configuration files.
@@fernvenue aha, thank you for the clarification! :)
@@R3endevous You do mentioned a great question, so let's see what will happen when these games support M4 iPad :)
up觉得oled的mbp什么时候出？
下一代就上了，不过价格嘛😂🎉
主要看啥时候降频，到底是10分钟还是8分钟。哈哈
只能說雖然極客灣的評測影片很優質，但對於晶片製程並不是真的很了解，所以不用感到絕望，很快的N2跟A16製程就要來了
是不是physical register file的大小标反了，应该是整形378、浮点446？
所以 所谓3nm的M3 M4都是超频策略，Apple上一次真正的IPC大更新是iPhone 13 Pro那一代
ZEN 5 Strix Point will crush M4 in both CPU(4+8 cores), AI NPU also cost (maybe in GPU under 10 watt)
生化危 什么? 后面再念一下?
就现在几个芯片大厂用3nm技术做的芯片，可以猜测3NM的台积电技术有缺陷，主要体现在发热上。是不是材料学极限不好说，但是可能是光刻机限制。毕竟做3NM还是靠的黑科技，并 不是光刻机精度提升。
N3E 是n3b 對電晶體的妥協放大了晶體大小來提升良率到底懂不懂 那個E不是enhancement
@@dkc8420 我只是分析师所以不懂技术，所以您认为N3E没有发热换性能的特点是吗
现在是EUV，不知道以后有没FUV
I always wait for a new video here in this channel😭