Kirk never had a decent defense, on the other hand Baker was carried by his team's defense. Kirk, in his carrier, had 7 seasons with 4k+ yards, Baker had one, last year. Also Kirk has consistent 66-70% CMP for the past 9 seasons, Baker 57-64%. One playoff win more doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things.
I don’t want to beat a dead horse, but these falcons defensive ratings really feel like a fatal flaw for a team trying to take the step to contendership. The Michael penix pick I honestly understand but it hurts while looking at This in a relatively weak division
It's crazy one bad year I mean one terrible year and people are just sitting on the Panthers what they did this off-season was get dramatically more talented on offense I'm not saying we will make the playoffs but as far as being watchable we are going to surprise some people
It could make you interesting. But if your qb doesn't get broken of the rookie habit of looking at who is coming in he won't be any better this year. Regardless who they brought in.
Kirk wasn't a starter on his 1st season. He had to sit behind a 2nd overall draft pick in his class, he was drafted 102nd overall. Kirk was a starter in 2015, throwing for 4,166 yards. So Kirk threw for 4k+ yards his "first" season, Baker achieved that only last year, 7 years in the league. I'm not putting Baker down, but Kirk is a VERY good player.
@kyo08399 I guess you can't count since Baker has only been in the league 6 years. But true Baker was short less than 200 yards from 4000 on his playoff run in Cleveland 3800 +. But Baker has been to 2 playoffs and won 1 game each time. Cousins 4 playoff after his 6th season and only won 1 game. Not to mention the team he was on hasn't been with 10 win let alone 9 wins in such a long time. Then again with Tampa that shows up in the super bowl every 20+ years. Yea yea yea. You are right during the season Kirk has been better just to get Dak disease once the playoffs come. But hey he isn't far off that Dak track 2-5 Kirk only needs 1 more playoff appearance and win 1 more to be ever with Dak. Doesn't say much does it. Almost as bad as Rogers always with 10 or more wins 1 super the rest early exits.
Now Cousins only had 31 yards in his first playoff appearance so it's obvious he didn't play long he got the loss I'm sure it isn't like baseball so I'm not sure if washongton was leading or behind when he came in. So let's give him credit he is 1-3 in 3 playoff appearances and only 1 playoff appearance in his first 6 years and like I said 31 yards he really didn't factor in it at all. Not sure if he factored in that season at all whereas Baker factored in all the seasons he went to the playoffs.
I agree on edge with the bucs (do we draft them well at all?) But Diaby single handedly destroyed the eagles last post season. Just putting that out there.
Check Cousins stats then playoff stats. Then do the same for Baker.Cousins has been around a lot longer has a 1-4 playoff record so he has made it 4 times has less tds more ints less wins less yards than Baker who has only made the playoffs twice and is 2-2 in them as well as more tds less ints and more yards. So is cousins better or is baker?
Kirk is way better, without any question. 4k+ yards 7 times in his 9 seasons as a starter. Baker threw for 4k yards once in his carrier. Kirk's playoff record isn't solely his fault, because he played decent in all games, however, he never had an above average defense. It's funny that you're trying to say that Baker is better because he has ONE more playoff win. Why can't you compare regular seasons stats? It's that bad, isn't it?
@kyo08399 good for Kirk since Baker hasn't been in the league 7 years yet. Compare his first 6 years why don't you. Maybe you could see what anyone with a brain sees. No playoff games for Kirk his first 6 years. Oops don't sound like much of a contest when you do that. But okay let's play your game. 1-4 in the playoffs for your buddy Kirk. 2-2 in 6 years for Baker. Maybe we can visit this 6 years after Kirk retires so we can at the very least comparing oranges to oranges. I'd hope any qb with 12 years experience could beat a qb with 6 years experience. In fact here is a stat for Kirk at least 12 years with at least 100 yards. Baker can only boast 6 years. Doesn't mean Kirk is any better. It means he has been around longer. But 5 tds 1int for Kirk and 10 tds 3 ints for Baker in the playoffs says Baker is better since Kirk has been in more playoff games than Baker albeit 4 losses to 2 stands in Bakers favor as well and 1 win Kirk to 2 wins Baker doesn't bode Kirk well either. The fact that Kirk even has less yards playing in more playoff games doesn't speak well for Kirk either. Wow on 6 extra years only 2 more playoff games he has 2 more losses than Baker and 1 less win I guess we can agree Kirk is either worse than Baker or a lazy qb.
@kyo08399 Another qb you can compare if you dare is Purdy to Baker you will find even multiplying Purdys yards by 3 regular season he still comes 500 yards shy of Bakers. Any this also comes with more playoff yards than Baker but 6 games vs 4. Less tds than Baker like cousins only 6. Seem Purdy's 1 td per playoff game is lower than Baker's 2 and a half tds per game in the playoffs. But Purdy is better than Kirk well he has Kirk and Baker on playoff wins but tds I guess Kirk is better 6 in 5 games vs Purdy 6 in 6 games. Purdy has more yards than Kirk is the playoffs.
@@michaelbelshaysr4525 Pretty r*tarded for you too: 1st compare Kirk's first 6 years as a starter, since he was a starter his 4th year (btw he threw for 4k+ yards first time as a starter) . 2nd focus solely on a playoff record and ignore the regular season success Kirk's had. Baker has made playoff runs (very shallow ones) with elite Defense. Kirk had the opposite + mediocre O line at best. Offense scores points, defense wins games. Oh and just to show you how truly r*tarded your argumentation is. Daniel Jones is 1:1 in playoffs, he UPSET Kirk's Vikings in the Wild Card. Would you say that, therefor, Danny is better than Kirk? Or do you have some sincerity left?
Tampa's safeties are back together again. They were good with the 2 of them together before so it isn't bringing someone new in that they need to get to know each other. The defendersbthey brought in are upgrades from last year expect a better def. Than what you saw. Coupled in what you saw with Goddard a couple seasons ago he was at 80 to 85% of what he was before his ACL watch for Cousins to be around that thus year. Factor in Cousins age will it hold up for a whole season. Baker doesn't get respect because of his last 2 seasons before the bucs. But honestly what qb has done what Baker has with 8 coaching changes and 4 teams in those 6 years. These are intangibles not covered in stats. Again Cousins was with 2 teams previously and 4 playoff appearances with more weapons than Atl. And is 1-4 in those with 1047 yards passing in 5 games 5 tds 1 int. While Baker is 2-2 in the playoffs with 1153 yards 10 tds 3 ints in 1less game. So who is better especially in a new system? So actually check the stats Baker except 2022 had over 3500 yards per season 2022 he had 2100+ but played 12 of the 17 games on 2 different teams and had 48 hrs to prepare to play for the rams. So baker is accustomed to adversity far more than he is given credit for. Carolina had practically no weapons when he got there.
Y'all disrespected us in the trenches. Wirfs/Goedeke is the best tackle duo in the entire division, and Barton is going to upgrade our interior o-line. Our front 7 is at worst #2. But it's all good. We like being disrespected lol
Non fiction Carr is a supped of version of David Carr his brother who was a non factor either. That isn't saying much. But so far Carolinas qb hasn't shown anything at all.
QB ATL over Bucs Come On. Cousins has repeatedly had very good teams and flops in playoffs. Baker has half the years and only had two decent teams while he was not seriously injured and still has more play off wins ???????
@@dretheboxer1061 lol , the Bucs made it in 2023 and won a playoff game and they are better on paper than they were last year. ATL has huge hurdles to overcome and Cousins isn’t the answer hence the draft.
@@chundrellwalton yea, like his circles he has been running for his entire career. 10 years with talented teams and still just 1 playoff win lolololololololol have fun with that greatness lmao
One thing passed up is Baker and Coen have been together before so they know each other.
No way New Orleans secondary comes in second love the vid though
Thats what i’m saying the saints easily have the best db room and its not even close
Saints Secondary is top 5 in the NFL definitely 1st in the South.
Baker has TWO playoff wins with two separate teams to Kirk Cousins' one playoff win.
Kirk never had a decent defense, on the other hand Baker was carried by his team's defense. Kirk, in his carrier, had 7 seasons with 4k+ yards, Baker had one, last year. Also Kirk has consistent 66-70% CMP for the past 9 seasons, Baker 57-64%. One playoff win more doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things.
I don’t want to beat a dead horse, but these falcons defensive ratings really feel like a fatal flaw for a team trying to take the step to contendership. The Michael penix pick I honestly understand but it hurts while looking at This in a relatively weak division
Joe, we need to see one of your dogs!
It's crazy one bad year I mean one terrible year and people are just sitting on the Panthers what they did this off-season was get dramatically more talented on offense I'm not saying we will make the playoffs but as far as being watchable we are going to surprise some people
It could make you interesting. But if your qb doesn't get broken of the rookie habit of looking at who is coming in he won't be any better this year. Regardless who they brought in.
Can’t wait for the saints to win the division
Check the difference between Cousins 1st 6 years vs Bakers 1st 6 seasons. Since we can't say what baker will do.
Kirk wasn't a starter on his 1st season. He had to sit behind a 2nd overall draft pick in his class, he was drafted 102nd overall. Kirk was a starter in 2015, throwing for 4,166 yards. So Kirk threw for 4k+ yards his "first" season, Baker achieved that only last year, 7 years in the league. I'm not putting Baker down, but Kirk is a VERY good player.
@kyo08399 I guess you can't count since Baker has only been in the league 6 years. But true Baker was short less than 200 yards from 4000 on his playoff run in Cleveland 3800 +. But Baker has been to 2 playoffs and won 1 game each time. Cousins 4 playoff after his 6th season and only won 1 game. Not to mention the team he was on hasn't been with 10 win let alone 9 wins in such a long time. Then again with Tampa that shows up in the super bowl every 20+ years. Yea yea yea. You are right during the season Kirk has been better just to get Dak disease once the playoffs come. But hey he isn't far off that Dak track 2-5 Kirk only needs 1 more playoff appearance and win 1 more to be ever with Dak. Doesn't say much does it. Almost as bad as Rogers always with 10 or more wins 1 super the rest early exits.
Now Cousins only had 31 yards in his first playoff appearance so it's obvious he didn't play long he got the loss I'm sure it isn't like baseball so I'm not sure if washongton was leading or behind when he came in. So let's give him credit he is 1-3 in 3 playoff appearances and only 1 playoff appearance in his first 6 years and like I said 31 yards he really didn't factor in it at all. Not sure if he factored in that season at all whereas Baker factored in all the seasons he went to the playoffs.
I think these guys missed their analysis 100%
I absolutely died at the mewing conversation, fwiw the last time I checked there is not a lot of scientific basis behind meowing
Bottom line is the NFC South runs through Tampa. They only got better in the offseason. Every team in the division is circling Tampa.
I agree 100 percent!!
Should have had a “coach” category. Carolina #1 🤫
I agree on edge with the bucs (do we draft them well at all?) But Diaby single handedly destroyed the eagles last post season. Just putting that out there.
Check Cousins stats then playoff stats. Then do the same for Baker.Cousins has been around a lot longer has a 1-4 playoff record so he has made it 4 times has less tds more ints less wins less yards than Baker who has only made the playoffs twice and is 2-2 in them as well as more tds less ints and more yards. So is cousins better or is baker?
Kirk is way better, without any question. 4k+ yards 7 times in his 9 seasons as a starter. Baker threw for 4k yards once in his carrier. Kirk's playoff record isn't solely his fault, because he played decent in all games, however, he never had an above average defense.
It's funny that you're trying to say that Baker is better because he has ONE more playoff win. Why can't you compare regular seasons stats? It's that bad, isn't it?
@kyo08399 good for Kirk since Baker hasn't been in the league 7 years yet. Compare his first 6 years why don't you. Maybe you could see what anyone with a brain sees. No playoff games for Kirk his first 6 years. Oops don't sound like much of a contest when you do that. But okay let's play your game. 1-4 in the playoffs for your buddy Kirk. 2-2 in 6 years for Baker. Maybe we can visit this 6 years after Kirk retires so we can at the very least comparing oranges to oranges. I'd hope any qb with 12 years experience could beat a qb with 6 years experience. In fact here is a stat for Kirk at least 12 years with at least 100 yards. Baker can only boast 6 years. Doesn't mean Kirk is any better. It means he has been around longer. But 5 tds 1int for Kirk and 10 tds 3 ints for Baker in the playoffs says Baker is better since Kirk has been in more playoff games than Baker albeit 4 losses to 2 stands in Bakers favor as well and 1 win Kirk to 2 wins Baker doesn't bode Kirk well either. The fact that Kirk even has less yards playing in more playoff games doesn't speak well for Kirk either. Wow on 6 extra years only 2 more playoff games he has 2 more losses than Baker and 1 less win
I guess we can agree Kirk is either worse than Baker or a lazy qb.
@kyo08399 Another qb you can compare if you dare is Purdy to Baker you will find even multiplying Purdys yards by 3 regular season he still comes 500 yards shy of Bakers. Any this also comes with more playoff yards than Baker but 6 games vs 4. Less tds than Baker like cousins only 6. Seem Purdy's 1 td per playoff game is lower than Baker's 2 and a half tds per game in the playoffs. But Purdy is better than Kirk well he has Kirk and Baker on playoff wins but tds I guess Kirk is better 6 in 5 games vs Purdy 6 in 6 games. Purdy has more yards than Kirk is the playoffs.
@@michaelbelshaysr4525 Pretty r*tarded for you too: 1st compare Kirk's first 6 years as a starter, since he was a starter his 4th year (btw he threw for 4k+ yards first time as a starter) . 2nd focus solely on a playoff record and ignore the regular season success Kirk's had. Baker has made playoff runs (very shallow ones) with elite Defense. Kirk had the opposite + mediocre O line at best. Offense scores points, defense wins games.
Oh and just to show you how truly r*tarded your argumentation is. Daniel Jones is 1:1 in playoffs, he UPSET Kirk's Vikings in the Wild Card. Would you say that, therefor, Danny is better than Kirk? Or do you have some sincerity left?
Tampa's safeties are back together again. They were good with the 2 of them together before so it isn't bringing someone new in that they need to get to know each other. The defendersbthey brought in are upgrades from last year expect a better def. Than what you saw. Coupled in what you saw with Goddard a couple seasons ago he was at 80 to 85% of what he was before his ACL watch for Cousins to be around that thus year. Factor in Cousins age will it hold up for a whole season. Baker doesn't get respect because of his last 2 seasons before the bucs. But honestly what qb has done what Baker has with 8 coaching changes and 4 teams in those 6 years. These are intangibles not covered in stats. Again Cousins was with 2 teams previously and 4 playoff appearances with more weapons than Atl. And is 1-4 in those with 1047 yards passing in 5 games 5 tds 1 int. While Baker is 2-2 in the playoffs with 1153 yards 10 tds 3 ints in 1less game. So who is better especially in a new system? So actually check the stats Baker except 2022 had over 3500 yards per season 2022 he had 2100+ but played 12 of the 17 games on 2 different teams and had 48 hrs to prepare to play for the rams. So baker is accustomed to adversity far more than he is given credit for. Carolina had practically no weapons when he got there.
Falcons almost won this trash division with the worst QB in football. Probably win the division with 12 wins this year.
panthers super bowl 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Unt uhh
Bucs will win the division again
Cut the graph in half, then input yourselves next to it.
Y'all disrespected us in the trenches. Wirfs/Goedeke is the best tackle duo in the entire division, and Barton is going to upgrade our interior o-line. Our front 7 is at worst #2. But it's all good. We like being disrespected lol
Fiction. Carr is the best quarterback in the division
Non fiction Carr is a supped of version of David Carr his brother who was a non factor either. That isn't saying much. But so far Carolinas qb hasn't shown anything at all.
QB ATL over Bucs Come On. Cousins has repeatedly had very good teams and flops in playoffs. Baker has half the years and only had two decent teams while he was not seriously injured and still has more play off wins ???????
Kirk better 🤷🏾 Dnt know what'll happen in playoffs but Kirk has a better chance of getting there
@@dretheboxer1061 lol , the Bucs made it in 2023 and won a playoff game and they are better on paper than they were last year. ATL has huge hurdles to overcome and Cousins isn’t the answer hence the draft.
Kirk will run circles around Baker
@@rgillan67you wish
@@chundrellwalton yea, like his circles he has been running for his entire career. 10 years with talented teams and still just 1 playoff win lolololololololol have fun with that greatness lmao
Carr and cousins are a wash and mayfield is pretty close. Quarterback doesn’t define the three teams
Bucs Pass D was 28th in the leauge ast year, you must be a B7cs Homer Saints are shitting on the Bucs secondary. Yall sleeping.
The only great thing Cousins has is a great agent. SMH
Amare Barno best edge in the division 🥱
I have thought about Kyle mewing before also so this chatter was coming