that was a great video. you answered questions that people don't even know to ask? thanks. only one thing I would change is the very beginning. i think it is linen you are priming. and I would mention the glue. the rabbit skin glue(?) up front.
@@adolfodelgado5366 no. There is no deviation from this rule. Canvas must be glued before any ground aplication. It is simple physics. Glue bonds fibers together and isolate canvas from oil. No ground can make this without gluing canvas. Ask a conservator.
I was watching with closed captions on and in the first 12 seconds it said you were going to prepare the canvas with chalk and lizard oil! 😂 I had to listen just to double check. Anyway, great video!
Ten years of research trying to get this right…. When I started painting I would go to the museum and I will look at all of those great master paintings and I would ask myself say why does my paintings not looks like that it looks like leather looks like beautiful perfect surface it’s like what did they use I couldn’t figure it out and then I started doing the research and reading and reading in this video is so helpful and I am so happy and I just want to ask where can I buy this pure chalk from because I can’t find it anywhere.
Try " Verfmolen De Kat " Zaandam, The Netherlands. Champagne Chalk. Their online shop opens again on 4 november 2024 due to vacation (after high tourist season.)
Traditional method with variations available: 1- Prepare the glue: Dissolve the rabbit glue in hot water, leaving it to soak for a few hours until it is well dissolved. 1¹ - Or use PVA glue. 2- Calcium carbonate mixture: Mix the calcium carbonate with water until it forms a thin paste. Combination: Add the dissolved glue or PVA glue to the calcium carbonate mixture, mixing well until the consistency is uniform. Application: Apply the gesso to the canvas or wood in thin layers, waiting for it to dry completely between layers. Typically, 8 to 12 layers were applied, depending on the desired thickness. Sanding: After drying, the surface was sanded with fine sandpaper to create a smooth texture, ideal for painting. Sandpaper 600+ Ingredients: 1 part calcium carbonate (or plaster powder) 1 part PVA glue (white glue) 4 parts water Eggshells and bones in general can also be used, but you need to remove proteins and lipids first, by heating them in hot water and grinding them. Eggshells are basically made of calcium carbonate. You can heat the eggshells and bones directly to turn them into calcium oxide, which is highly reactive. Calcium oxide is also known as quicklime. After this transformation that occurs after carbonization, you use demineralized water to hydrate it (distilled water). This hydration transforms the calcium oxide into the purest calcium carbonate.
@@jan-ovetuv3836 I'm in two minds whether to try your mix out or to just use a oil based prime for my next large work. I'm doing a copy of a Caravaggio. Also working on half length portraits for admission to study with Mr Nurdrum. Cheers
@@owenkinsellaart9424 My suggestion would be to first try it on a smaller canvas (f. ex. a self-portrait), if you are hesitant - so you acquaint yourself with the ground.
@@jan-ovetuv3836 Sorry to tell you but your rabbit skin isn't actually, you know, rabbit. Used to be when the human diet included the little furry things. Now it is mostly farm animal. None the less doing it yourself is the only way to be sure. Most important step, this one.
I have been trying to apply a good ground for loose painting/impressiosism with acrylic basis. They seem to retain paint too much, so I can't get a long brushtroke on my canvas. Would an oil ground like yours be the solution? How long does it take to dry?
Hi, what do you mean by "gypsum", calcium carbonate, chalk of Bologna, White of Spain, or what exactly? You don't use glue to bind the plaster, just oil?
Thanks for the video! I wonder why you prepare a ground with the same solvent as the one you would use for the paint layer..? (Was I clear with my question? Sorry, my English is a bit rusty... Hope you understand what I mean. Thanks again)
Agustina sabes cuales son los materiales que dice al principio del video ? No los identifico en inglés .. que clase de chalk es ese ? Que clase de aceite es ese que dice ?:S. aceite de lagartija?
Hello, greetings form Rome. massively interesting content here ,thank you sharing. Quick question from a conservator, do you use 'cooked' or 'raw' linseed oil and is your gesso Gypsum or Plaster of Paris?
Greetings, In "Learn to Paint like the Old Masters from Odd Nerdrum's Prominent Pupil Sebastian Salvo | Part I," he seems to describe using this recipe you are demonstrating here, but with an alkyd resin added. Could you maybe specify which alkyd resin is added to this combination, in his mixture? Also, what proportion. Thank you
Most probably to accelerate the drying time. With an alkyd medium the ground will be dry in about 24 to 48 hours. Without drying accelerators the drying time is dependent only on the linseed oil and the thickness of layer. A titanium white ground can take 6 weeks to be surface dry and up to 6 months to polymerise completely.
I have three questions: 1.-Does the fabric have to be sewn with rabbit glue before applying this primer? 2.-How can I know how much oil the mixture contains? since it makes me super chewy 3.- Can the first layers be worked with only solvent? To respect the principle of fat over lean
You mean a Claessens which has already been primed (at their factory)? Yes, you can - but perhaps sand that pre-existing coat with some sandpaper, to ensure that the new layers is properly attached. Perhaps even "wash" the pre-existing coat with turpentine (or even Aceton - but be careful, as Aceton is extremely strong. You do NOT want to sniff it...). But of course you get the best surface to paint on if you apply this ground to a canvas which has only been sized (glued).
At least two, but you can do three (as I mention towards the end: the ground will then suck much more, but that can also be exploited to your advantage - depending on the technique you prefer)
What I do is I make my own gesso, I buy white zink, colbon or Elmer's glue and some water mixed well that went you see it, is a very soft paste not to liquid, between paste and liquid, use a 2 inches brush the ones home Depot sale for like a dollar or two but clean loose hairs out before and spreed all over the canvas let it dry well and if you use a thick canvas sand it down with 120 grid sand paper clean all the dust and give another cover or second hand after it dry sand it again this time with 150 grain or if you want very soft, after the 150 do a 220 grid and it is done, I only do top and sides, the back I don't touch it
Only if you don't care about archival preserving. Oil and acrylic are not chemical friends. Use acrylic gesso to paint in acrylic. Stay in the family, so to speak.
Too bad we didn’t see the whole process. That you either prepared another canvas in advanced or returned to this canvas with second layer. To see the interaction of layer colors.
Hi, what colors of paints? I kept waiting for this info. Is this mixture translucent? I expect it’s not opaque because you keep saying the colors interplay. Would have liked to see you apply the second (3rd) layer (s). To see the interplay of colirs. Not a very good teaching video because it’s incomplete, it mostly showed how to use a palette knife……..just saying…overall, I do like this channel! Thank you.
I'm so happy I found this channel! I love the Apelles palette :)
Excellent presentation Jan-Ove ; it would be interesting to see your linen preparation steps (e.g., washing and glue sizing).
Wonderful, thank you. Nerdrum's prepared grounds have been something of a mystery to me. Excited to try it.
that was a great video. you answered questions that people don't even know to ask? thanks. only one thing I would change is the very beginning. i think it is linen you are priming. and I would mention the glue. the rabbit skin glue(?) up front.
That canvas sounds tight like a drum. Thank you for sharing this knowledge!
Because canvas must be glued out with 7 percent animal glue before any ground application ;)
And if get loose, just wet it and let it dry at the sun and it will tight again
@@TomekTomek333 well they are differents ways to do it, it is not mark with strait ruler
@@adolfodelgado5366 no. There is no deviation from this rule. Canvas must be glued before any ground aplication. It is simple physics. Glue bonds fibers together and isolate canvas from oil. No ground can make this without gluing canvas. Ask a conservator.
@@TomekTomek333 that is why my gesso is white zink Elmer's glue and water
gotta love that old holland
I was watching with closed captions on and in the first 12 seconds it said you were going to prepare the canvas with chalk and lizard oil! 😂 I had to listen just to double check. Anyway, great video!
Thanks for the information.
Awesome! Thank you so much for this video🙏
Thank You so much for sharing. Definetely Will try this soon !!..
Thank you!
Thank you for sharing the experience
Thank you!!!
Ten years of research trying to get this right…. When I started painting I would go to the museum and I will look at all of those great master paintings and I would ask myself say why does my paintings not looks like that it looks like leather looks like beautiful perfect surface it’s like what did they use I couldn’t figure it out and then I started doing the research and reading and reading in this video is so helpful and I am so happy and I just want to ask where can I buy this pure chalk from because I can’t find it anywhere.
let me know if you find the correct materials-- i am also looking.
Try " Verfmolen De Kat " Zaandam, The Netherlands.
Champagne Chalk.
Their online shop opens again on 4 november 2024 due to vacation (after high tourist season.)
Traditional method with variations available:
1- Prepare the glue: Dissolve the rabbit glue in hot water, leaving it to soak for a few hours until it is well dissolved.
1¹ - Or use PVA glue.
2- Calcium carbonate mixture: Mix the calcium carbonate with water until it forms a thin paste.
Combination: Add the dissolved glue or PVA glue to the calcium carbonate mixture, mixing well until the consistency is uniform.
Application: Apply the gesso to the canvas or wood in thin layers, waiting for it to dry completely between layers. Typically, 8 to 12 layers were applied, depending on the desired thickness.
Sanding: After drying, the surface was sanded with fine sandpaper to create a smooth texture, ideal for painting. Sandpaper 600+
Ingredients:
1 part calcium carbonate (or plaster powder)
1 part PVA glue (white glue)
4 parts water
Eggshells and bones in general can also be used, but you need to remove proteins and lipids first, by heating them in hot water and grinding them. Eggshells are basically made of calcium carbonate. You can heat the eggshells and bones directly to turn them into calcium oxide, which is highly reactive. Calcium oxide is also known as quicklime. After this transformation that occurs after carbonization, you use demineralized water to hydrate it (distilled water). This hydration transforms the calcium oxide into the purest calcium carbonate.
Where do you get the chalk?
Thank you very much! I will try this soon.
I've heard some people say that a gesso ground on linen runs the risk of cracking due to the gesso being to brittle?
Have never experienced that. I know Odd put it to a long test in a room with great fluctuations of temperature, and it endured very well.
@@jan-ovetuv3836 I'm in two minds whether to try your mix out or to just use a oil based prime for my next large work. I'm doing a copy of a Caravaggio. Also working on half length portraits for admission to study with Mr Nurdrum. Cheers
@@owenkinsellaart9424 My suggestion would be to first try it on a smaller canvas (f. ex. a self-portrait), if you are hesitant - so you acquaint yourself with the ground.
@@jan-ovetuv3836 good idea.
I'm your big fan sir ❤️
Trmendous! Thaaaaaaaank you!
Are you not using any type of glue or size to seal your fabric substrates before applying a ground?
This canvas was pre-glued. Claessens 066GL. (GL = glued).
You mean rabbit glue?
@@filippostrikas If you glue the canvas yourself, you can be positive it´s rabbit skin glue. I think Claessens uses PVA.
@@jan-ovetuv3836 Sorry to tell you but your rabbit skin isn't actually, you know, rabbit. Used to be when the human diet included the little furry things. Now it is mostly farm animal. None the less doing it yourself is the only way to be sure. Most important step, this one.
@@Splatterpunk_OldNewYork Thanks - yes, I know. Old habit to say "rabbit skin glue"...
Thank you For this video
I have been trying to apply a good ground for loose painting/impressiosism with acrylic basis. They seem to retain paint too much, so I can't get a long brushtroke on my canvas.
Would an oil ground like yours be the solution? How long does it take to dry?
Adding chalk only makes the surface more absorbent
Thanks for the video. For the chalk, what kind and where to get it? Thanks again!
Hi, what do you mean by "gypsum", calcium carbonate, chalk of Bologna, White of Spain, or what exactly? You don't use glue to bind the plaster, just oil?
Thank you, can this ground be used on wooden panels as well?
Desde el minuto 5..6 quedo plasmado un rostro
Nice video. What canvas are you using? Also, what is the board you’re using to mix the paste on (the black one)?
Thanks for the video! I wonder why you prepare a ground with the same solvent as the one you would use for the paint layer..? (Was I clear with my question? Sorry, my English is a bit rusty... Hope you understand what I mean. Thanks again)
It´s an advantage to use a fairly "homogenous" set of materials, so that less problems arise technically.
Why use expensive tube colours in your ground-incuding one containing safflower oil (Sennelier)-when you can use dry pigments?
Excellent!!!
Agustina sabes cuales son los materiales que dice al principio del video ? No los identifico en inglés .. que clase de chalk es ese ? Que clase de aceite es ese que dice ?:S. aceite de lagartija?
@@Centinelaceolэтот «Linseed Oil»
Hello, greetings form Rome. massively interesting content here ,thank you sharing. Quick question from a conservator, do you use 'cooked' or 'raw' linseed oil and is your gesso Gypsum or Plaster of Paris?
calcium carbonate
why have you not sized the canvas with animal glue to stop the oils in the primer from rotting and seeping through the canvas?
No glue for sizing???
Greetings,
In "Learn to Paint like the Old Masters from Odd Nerdrum's Prominent Pupil Sebastian Salvo | Part I," he seems to describe using this recipe you are demonstrating here, but with an alkyd resin added.
Could you maybe specify which alkyd resin is added to this combination, in his mixture? Also, what proportion.
Thank you
Most probably to accelerate the drying time. With an alkyd medium the ground will be dry in about 24 to 48 hours. Without drying accelerators the drying time is dependent only on the linseed oil and the thickness of layer. A titanium white ground can take 6 weeks to be surface dry and up to 6 months to polymerise completely.
Can you put this mixture over a canvas that has already been primed with gesso?
Good question
Yes
Absolutly
Great!!!
is chalk the same material used for sculptures?
How long should you wait after the 2nd layer before you can begin painting on it?
Spanish subtitles will be available?
Sanding can be done in between 1st and 2nd layer?
awesome, is that applicable to a wooden panel?
thanks
Oil grounds are dedicated for canvas, wood must be ground with chalk gesso
Could you use premixed chalk paint in stead of Guesso?
Thanks Jan-Ove. Could you tell me again what kind of oil is that?
He said linseed oil.
@@leahcrossley6756 what is linseed in Spanish?
@@carlossalgado5205 linaza
Regular linseed oil or boiled?
I have three questions: 1.-Does the fabric have to be sewn with rabbit glue before applying this primer? 2.-How can I know how much oil the mixture contains? since it makes me super chewy 3.- Can the first layers be worked with only solvent? To respect the principle of fat over lean
"..pre-glued by all means.." 12:13min
1.- No, PVA (polyvinyl acetate) can be used in place of r s g or animal 'hide' glue.
Excuse me sir, My canvas is Gesso canvas, so Can I apply some Calcium carbonate for ground? Thank you sir.
El rostro de Jan Ove Tuv
What is recommended if you use acrylic paint?
How many days this canvas will dry.. I tried this technic but still wet , five day and I m still waiting to my canvas dry..
Needed a drier in the mix
I have marble dust could I use that with line seed oil to make my ground or is it just for acrylic ground
You can
Where can I buy this pure chalk from?
Try an art supply store.
Can I apply this preparation on a canvas prepared with acrylic?
I also want to know this
Acrylic canvas is already prepared. Why would you add another preparation on top? Just tone your canvas and that’s it.
Why not using pigments instead of tube paint?
cuando mencionas ""Chalk" quieres decir "carbonato de calcio" o el yeso que usan los albañiles para frisar paredes? muchas gracias.
Carbonato de calcio
can you put it on oil based primer on claessens
You mean a Claessens which has already been primed (at their factory)? Yes, you can - but perhaps sand that pre-existing coat with some sandpaper, to ensure that the new layers is properly attached. Perhaps even "wash" the pre-existing coat with turpentine (or even Aceton - but be careful, as Aceton is extremely strong. You do NOT want to sniff it...).
But of course you get the best surface to paint on if you apply this ground to a canvas which has only been sized (glued).
@@jan-ovetuv3836 Thank you .I will see how it goes
Do you use raw or boiled linseed oil?
Is that applied on a raw canvas? 😮
No - pre-glued
The “color” you add is it just oil paint or pure pigment?
can we apply this method on upstretched fabric ?
How many layers one put ???
At least two, but you can do three (as I mention towards the end: the ground will then suck much more, but that can also be exploited to your advantage - depending on the technique you prefer)
That procedement don`t replace the use of Gesso?
This is a different type of ground. There are quite a few actually.
Instead of chalk , does gypsum work ?
this serves as a substitute for gesso ?
And so much nicer to paint on…
@@jan-ovetuv3836 Instead of chalk , does gypsum work ?
@@NugatRensen I would stick to chalk
@@NugatRensen yes both works
I believe you would also need animal skin glue
I wonder if calcium carbonate impasto will adhere to this ground in the mid/long term.
that method can be used, over cotton, without rabit skin glue ?
No, ist should be sized before 12:13
but at the beginning the canvas has only glue?
Do you size the canvas first with glue? Or do you just go right ahead with the preparation described in the video?
Thank you
What kind of Chalk?
Any, you can buy it in any hardware store.
Is it really chalk? I thought gypsum...?
What I do is I make my own gesso, I buy white zink, colbon or Elmer's glue and some water mixed well that went you see it, is a very soft paste not to liquid, between paste and liquid, use a 2 inches brush the ones home Depot sale for like a dollar or two but clean loose hairs out before and spreed all over the canvas let it dry well and if you use a thick canvas sand it down with 120 grid sand paper clean all the dust and give another cover or second hand after it dry sand it again this time with 150 grain or if you want very soft, after the 150 do a 220 grid and it is done, I only do top and sides, the back I don't touch it
😊
can you paint acrylic over this
no, oil over acrylic, thin layer, and no acrylic over oil, it will not adhere properly.
Only if you don't care about archival preserving. Oil and acrylic are not chemical friends. Use acrylic gesso to paint in acrylic. Stay in the family, so to speak.
@@Splatterpunk_OldNewYork Not really, it's fine to paint with oils over acrylic gesso. Only the reverse is bad.
is chalk calcium carbonate?
Chalk containts calcium carbonate, i think over 99%
Too bad we didn’t see the whole process. That you either prepared another canvas in advanced or returned to this canvas with second layer. To see the interaction of layer colors.
great, that linseed oil directly on canvas will rot your canvas fast.
The canvas is pre sized
12:13
Lizard oil???
Hi, what colors of paints? I kept waiting for this info. Is this mixture translucent? I expect it’s not opaque because you keep saying the colors interplay. Would have liked to see you apply the second (3rd) layer (s). To see the interplay of colirs. Not a very good teaching video because it’s incomplete, it mostly showed how to use a palette knife……..just saying…overall, I do like this channel! Thank you.
Beter is use poor zink couse charcle is to pure with linsed oil
Interesting method. However, in two to five days I expect to have a completed work executed in oil. Hide glue and chalk are still king here, sorry.
You need to seal that canvas first