I completed the foundation course and then did some of the backend stuff in node. I've been a software developer for 8 months since. I still remember how exciting it was for me to learn all this stuff, it really felt awesome. Highly recommended
Do you have a degree from University? If you have can you please share it with us? 25 year old here, odin student. + I applied to a university for associate computer programming & management information systems. I hope i will get in for them.
I spent the past two days of free time watching all your videos. I cannot tell you enough how much I appreciate your videos. You are the dose of right I need for my brain to level up. Taking your 10,000 lines of code seriously. I built my first website and sold it for 3k back in 2018 and I worked it all out on my own in three months. I know I'm a good Web dev and I took it further with a foundations in programming, but I lost that fire. Getting back to it now. Thank you so much.
Currently doing TOP (on the tic-tac-toe project in the FullStack JS path) and holy heck I feel like this curriculum was exactly what I needed for learning how to program. I was doing Udemy courses beforehand but the one I took did a lot of hand-holding where I felt like I wasn't really learning anything on my own.
Udemy sucks I can’t learn if i just copy and paste from the instructor, everything always works, I need to get stuck and figure out a solution myself in order to learn
Heyyyy, I'm enrolled in The Odin Project. I'm at their Javascript section working on my Tic Tac Toe project. This course is great and is the best I've EVER come across. Highly recommend!
I would love a video on the approach to learning any new technologies. As a person is no longer a beginner, learning new technologies are crucial and we should do it quickly and efficiently. A video on how to do that would be great!
@bigboxSWE you are the only technical channel I have subscribed to on YT. To the point, concise content, no BS, no paid promotion only pure gold. I really hope you reach a million subscribers or ten down the line. Even if you don't, you will always find me alongside, in this journey. Thank you for making my day a bit better. Keep uploading, cheers ❤
As someone who has finished the whole curriculum I can confirm the Odin project great. It will however take more than 1 year to complete if you do it right.
Hi, could you tell me how many hours a new learner needs to put in everyday to complete it within an year given that the new learner is a pretty average student ?
a side note - being a developer is sometimes always starting from the ground up. I wrote PHP for almost half a year, then switched into a Java position at my job, and then when we lost a lot of our UI devs, I stepped into that role too.
@@AlwafiCharki I might not be the best person to ask given my lack of experience, but the mistake i made was getting into tutorial hell and not building anything. Most of the learning happens hands-on which the odin project and full stack open encourage. So focus on learning-by-doing.
As always bigbox with top advice, i will definitely start odin project to boost my front-end very basic knowledge since most my xp comes from backend.Great content and keep the hard work !!
it's honestly an awesome curriculum, can make you a great software engineer if you follow through with it. the web UI is a bit clunky for my liking though, but if you can look past that then the content is 100/100
Thank you so much bro, this means a lot! ❤ I am a newbie in Web Development, I wanted a free course which can dig deeper into the Web Development fundamentals and all I will try both The Odin Project, and App Academy Open. I will choose whichever is favorable for me thank you so much bro ❤
sometimes i wonder why I did not find The Odin Project during the lock down days when I was free and bored off my mind, it could have saved me plenty of time from tutorial hell, well better late than never
0:33 I have had to set up a multi root project in my IDE (YES when you set up your text editor it's a code editor if you serait up even more it becomes a VSCode IDE) So I made a monorepo of all the stuff I am doing, it's scary because it's personal stuff that I am not doing for any one to look at or something... I made it public and I have to consider it like coding in the open... 😅😅😅 it's puting a little more pressure for the documentation part and for the testing part but I still have some random commits lumping mixed concerns
I got through the foundations and then went back to school for comp Sci and now I had to learn java and algorithms. I think I'll go through the curriculum again because I think I'm gonna have to get used to relearning some stuff and the only remedy to make alot of volume like you said in another video.
I am also doing TOP , but I have got huge problem , when there comes basic section on TOP, I feel like I understand the concept very well but when there comes to do project on my own, I feel like Imy mind is totally blank as if I know nothing about what to do, how to start, what should be applied and so on. Any advice for this
A common answer to this question is to ruthlessly google your way into understanding the problem and a potential solution. Another common answer is to watch youtube tutorials about a general or closely related problem/topic that is relevant to your problem, and then apply the methods that the tutorial exposed you to in the specific case of your problem. It is also handy to have a good and concise but also thorough reference text on the language you are using, to use in conjunction with youtube tutorials (you don't need a textbook, but something on the order of "100-200 pages" is best imo). Stackoverflow is also invaluable. These 4 things -- google, youtube, a reference text, stackoverflow -- are quite a deadly toolkit for us budding programmers. I am no expert, but I would suggest you to keep this in mind: a lot of us have no idea how to solve the problem when it is first presented, and we often experience a sense of fear or dread at the prospect of being unable to figure it out. However, after thinking about it for some time (perhaps a few seconds or perhaps a few months), the solution magically appears out of nowhere, as if by chance our unconscious just blurted it out by accident. Don't be afraid of the blank mind, it is trying to figure it out.
Something that has been helping me is inspecting other people's code. Not as to literally copy them, but it gives me an idea of where to start and I go from there.
Hey Bigbox ,how to build a project on my own, every time I try to build clone or something my mind goes blank. How to overcome from this, how to learn to build on my own without the help of TH-cam?
Do smaller projects. Even if you consider the project you are doing now to be small, break it up into 10 or more smaller projects and tackle them one at a time. When you have a working (small) project, start adding features and functionality on top of it. Then clean it up and add more features. Then scrap the project and redo it after having gained the knowledge and experience from doing it on a smaller scale. Rinse and repeat until you are satisfied. Something to keep in mind is that many websites have huge teams working on it. For individual projects, we should think small and basic at first, not worrying about how pretty or professional it looks. Once we have a better grasp on the software we can then think about scaling it up and making it look nicer.
hey big box, will it be possible to work only as a backend developer (intern or junior) after completing their node.js course? I mean does it provide enough skills to become a backend dev?
I have done TOP for almost a month and stopped then picked up udemy course and left it too after some time ! I think I'm just not suited for coding and start looking for another carrier!!
What you guys think what is better for beginner in Web Development i learn a little about Python and after OOP i want to change to Web is FreeCodeCamp or Odin better for beginner?
It's like ToP but much heavier. ToP assumes you have little/no experience coding. FSO starts off with the assumption you are a begginer but already are familiar with programming concepts.
i personally don't like video tutorials. they can give you a false sense of achievement and you can't copy paste code to just try something out if you're curious!
bought their web dev begginer course did till react section just by watching coding along didnt understand concepts fully and now i am back to square 1 doing the odin project from foundations
some may argue TOP content is bad but its more so of the way of you learn in TOP. if you actually check TOP you are actually still self learning and writing your own code instead of completely hand held
@@conradmbugua9098 Agree, most resources do not refer you to their source of information. But it doesn't stop you from googling. You're the one that picked the tutorial over looking for docs on google. It's easy (if you really want that), let go of that hand and you'll achieve what you aim for on your own. My recommendation is to just go over the website's roadmap, and figure out other things on your own, It's all up to you, tutorials do not knock on your door and ask you for your hand :). I would even advise you to try going through the source code if possible, after you do that, try reading the docs, I dare not to say "pff, well, duuuh" after you read few paragraphs. But it's not for everyone, and it's kind of overkill for most people.
@@atanas-nikolov You might want to revisit my previous comment, but in general, there isn't a single "best" resource or type of resource. What I appreciate about TOP is their wide range of recommendations, including videos, articles, and interactive games/challenges. Think of TOP as just one resource among many available online. Take their suggestions with a grain of salt and don't limit yourself to their approach. I've encountered situations where I've directed people to more suitable solutions for their specific needs. For instance, there was a person who needed to use a Linux distribution like Fedora, but they were being encouraged to stick with Ubuntu as recommended by the moderators. Unfortunately, the moderators couldn't resist the temptation to impose their preferred operating system and prevented me from suggesting alternative options. So, be aware of the limited perspectives they may enforce.
What are the old technologies they recommend? What new technologies have replaced them? Do you have a suggestion for a better platform/method to learn from?
@@chindianajones3742 Example: stop using CRA; vite is the best tool for that (currently). Example: Firebase is a vendor-lockin; there are other alternatives out there, some of them are even open-source. Also, try asking for help on a topic outside TOP, even if it still in the same field, they'll dedicate their whole time stopping you from asking questions about it as well as stopping others from answering you, unless of course the other person is well known there (human nature, what can one do?). Platform?? do you really need one? Just go through each technology's docs. if there is no official one you'll find great resources that covers all the things you need to know about it. Also I'm not saying that their whole system is not good, I said take it with a barrel of salt, do your own research and compare information, never take what they say/do for granted.
@@anasouardini I see. However, I am not convinced by your criticisms that TOP is of insufficient educational value to me (or to the beginner in general). I will keep in mind your comments about old technologies and learn about new ones as I go, and when I need to seek help on a topic/problem that is outside the scope of TOP, naturally I will consult the most appropriate documentation/community for that specific problem.
@@TravisHi_YTthe problem is too much hand holding, it's only really bad at utilising your time and is very easy(when picking a resource, always pick something hard or mildly hard so that you brain is forced to think and develop
@@razaabbas6605 EXACTLY thing is At first I was in TOP, I was like wew too much reading no doing work. looked for something else. I found some more shiny ones like FreeCodeCamp and more. I thought FCC was the end all be all. I realize these that its not fun and with my adhd brain it never gets me to do what i need to do lol(although I can see how FCC can be restructured into the same approach as TOP for people like me) When I realize its not fun , I realize fun only comes when I'm doing project. ChatGPT came, what I did was draw out what I need to build something like a todolist but etc addeventlisteners but dont tell me how to use it( so i have to read how to use it). then I realized this approach it familiar.. I checked TheOdinProject it blew my mind. TOP was it all along. now Im back with TOP hope this will sustain. wish me luck people
I completed the foundation course and then did some of the backend stuff in node. I've been a software developer for 8 months since. I still remember how exciting it was for me to learn all this stuff, it really felt awesome. Highly recommended
good for you dude! great to hear these stories.
Super similar to my timeline, but I ended up doing the React version in full :)
were u able to master JS & have u made fullstack MERN Stack projects ?
do you have univercity degree
Do you have a degree from University? If you have can you please share it with us? 25 year old here, odin student. + I applied to a university for associate computer programming & management information systems. I hope i will get in for them.
It is a good day when bigbox uploads
Even better day when you comment :)
@@bigboxSWE Even better when you reply
It is
@@kvbc5425 pepe
It is especially good when the day is bad but he uploads and makes it good
I spent the past two days of free time watching all your videos. I cannot tell you enough how much I appreciate your videos. You are the dose of right I need for my brain to level up. Taking your 10,000 lines of code seriously. I built my first website and sold it for 3k back in 2018 and I worked it all out on my own in three months. I know I'm a good Web dev and I took it further with a foundations in programming, but I lost that fire. Getting back to it now. Thank you so much.
wow, how old are you?
I owe everything to the Odin project. So happy I stumbled across it.
Oh, I didn't expect to see the immersion gang here 🤣
Currently doing TOP (on the tic-tac-toe project in the FullStack JS path) and holy heck I feel like this curriculum was exactly what I needed for learning how to program. I was doing Udemy courses beforehand but the one I took did a lot of hand-holding where I felt like I wasn't really learning anything on my own.
As a programmer - TOP is as close as it gets :)
Udemy sucks I can’t learn if i just copy and paste from the instructor, everything always works, I need to get stuck and figure out a solution myself in order to learn
When do you think is a good time to start applying?
I just started Nodejs Course from the Odin project, and you uploaded a video on it.
I am halfway through the course yet, but it is actually good
Hello, how it’s been, do you finished it?
Heyyyy, I'm enrolled in The Odin Project. I'm at their Javascript section working on my Tic Tac Toe project. This course is great and is the best I've EVER come across. Highly recommend!
I would love a video on the approach to learning any new technologies. As a person is no longer a beginner, learning new technologies are crucial and we should do it quickly and efficiently. A video on how to do that would be great!
@bigboxSWE you are the only technical channel I have subscribed to on YT. To the point, concise content, no BS, no paid promotion only pure gold. I really hope you reach a million subscribers or ten down the line. Even if you don't, you will always find me alongside, in this journey. Thank you for making my day a bit better. Keep uploading, cheers ❤
I've been a professional dev for almost 2 years. It is entirely because of the Odin Project.
Hope that can be me in a couple months/years!
I have planned to start the Odin project later this year and your video is reassuring!
Did you start c: ?
Yes
How is it going, tho?@@jswlprtk
How is your journey so far?
I vouch for this. I became a backend developer just using the odin project. They teach very very well
Damn that's impressive
@sebastiangonzales46 yes! Give it shot mn! 💪
They're always up to date 👌👌
@@lostinthenarrativve nodejs and typescript
@@lostinthenarrativve typescript. i use typescript almost always for work, rarely do i use javascript since i code on the backend
As someone who has finished the whole curriculum I can confirm the Odin project great. It will however take more than 1 year to complete if you do it right.
100% agreed, it's a massive course and I haven't even finished it :)
Yeah, I'm doing it since January 2022 and I'm just in the middle of JS path.. but I love it =)
@chrism6446 Still studying, I'm in JS path almost in the middle. I think I'll be applying by the end of these year.
@chrism6446 Thanks buddy! same for you
Hi, could you tell me how many hours a new learner needs to put in everyday to complete it within an year given that the new learner is a pretty average student ?
Time to restart my journey as a developer from the ground up. Thanks big box!
a side note - being a developer is sometimes always starting from the ground up. I wrote PHP for almost half a year, then switched into a Java position at my job, and then when we lost a lot of our UI devs, I stepped into that role too.
@@bigboxSWE do videos on java , pls man
love this channel. Also, after completing Odin Project, Full Stack Open is a great resource for modern web dev tech like react, redux, node etc.
yep, i love fullstackopen, got a job after completing it
@@yasirmehmood4295 thats sick man! congrats
@@rowhen_i just finished the second project in the foundmntals , and I am just about getting into Javascript
Any advice ?
@@AlwafiCharki I might not be the best person to ask given my lack of experience, but the mistake i made was getting into tutorial hell and not building anything. Most of the learning happens hands-on which the odin project and full stack open encourage. So focus on learning-by-doing.
@@rowhen_ thank you bro
As always bigbox with top advice, i will definitely start odin project to boost my front-end very basic knowledge since most my xp comes from backend.Great content and keep the hard work !!
short clear to the point that's why I love your videos =)
TOP is the best thing ever, really wish for similar stuff for other domains.
TOP let alone gave me my first dev job. Could not recommend more.
The way my eyes lighted up when I saw the appacademy open curriculum :D Thank you BigBox 💪
it's honestly an awesome curriculum, can make you a great software engineer if you follow through with it. the web UI is a bit clunky for my liking though, but if you can look past that then the content is 100/100
@@bigboxSWE Sure, I love how they get into web security, docker and microservices 😮! I feel like I've found a hidden treasure 🥳
The Odin project is GOATED for sure. 🐐
Thank you so much bro, this means a lot! ❤
I am a newbie in Web Development, I wanted a free course which can dig deeper into the Web Development fundamentals and all
I will try both The Odin Project, and App Academy Open. I will choose whichever is favorable for me thank you so much bro ❤
sometimes i wonder why I did not find The Odin Project during the lock down days when I was free and bored off my mind, it could have saved me plenty of time from tutorial hell, well better late than never
1 year into TOP nearing the end it has made a change in my life for the better 😁
truly the greatest course on the web right now :)
Hi Duckleng, may I ask how much time you put in a day? Thinking about starting TOP but next to my full time job I'm worried it will take 2+ years
@@MrHealthyGrainSecond this question.
The only GOAT channel, which I want to hide from my colleagues. I know I m being selfish
0:33 I have had to set up a multi root project in my IDE (YES when you set up your text editor it's a code editor if you serait up even more it becomes a VSCode IDE) So I made a monorepo of all the stuff I am doing, it's scary because it's personal stuff that I am not doing for any one to look at or something... I made it public and I have to consider it like coding in the open... 😅😅😅 it's puting a little more pressure for the documentation part and for the testing part but I still have some random commits lumping mixed concerns
I got through the foundations and then went back to school for comp Sci and now I had to learn java and algorithms. I think I'll go through the curriculum again because I think I'm gonna have to get used to relearning some stuff and the only remedy to make alot of volume like you said in another video.
What about something like Full Stack Open?
This video was calling my name! Thanks for the video and recommendation. I'll definitely give it a try.
if "getting to the point" was a youtube channel
Great video as always. Keep it up good sir!❤
Dude remember me when your channel hits big numbers!
Can you please do a video on how to be better at problem solving
Great idea!
Pretty much accurate and to the point
Goated Channel!
TOP is based. Would also recommend Full Stack Open for more advanced web development.
I am also doing TOP , but I have got huge problem , when there comes basic section on TOP, I feel like I understand the concept very well but when there comes to do project on my own, I feel like Imy mind is totally blank as if I know nothing about what to do, how to start, what should be applied and so on. Any advice for this
A common answer to this question is to ruthlessly google your way into understanding the problem and a potential solution. Another common answer is to watch youtube tutorials about a general or closely related problem/topic that is relevant to your problem, and then apply the methods that the tutorial exposed you to in the specific case of your problem. It is also handy to have a good and concise but also thorough reference text on the language you are using, to use in conjunction with youtube tutorials (you don't need a textbook, but something on the order of "100-200 pages" is best imo). Stackoverflow is also invaluable. These 4 things -- google, youtube, a reference text, stackoverflow -- are quite a deadly toolkit for us budding programmers. I am no expert, but I would suggest you to keep this in mind: a lot of us have no idea how to solve the problem when it is first presented, and we often experience a sense of fear or dread at the prospect of being unable to figure it out. However, after thinking about it for some time (perhaps a few seconds or perhaps a few months), the solution magically appears out of nowhere, as if by chance our unconscious just blurted it out by accident. Don't be afraid of the blank mind, it is trying to figure it out.
watch bigbox's video on escaping tutorial hell
Something that has been helping me is inspecting other people's code. Not as to literally copy them, but it gives me an idea of where to start and I go from there.
Great video
Thank you!
big box with the big shotout. Now for real, odin project is so good
Hello, is there something similar to The Odin Project for learning Python? Your answer is really important to me, thank you
not necessarily similar but MIT 6001 intro to python is a great course
Will you remember me when your amazing content gets the attention it deserves and you get millions of subscribers?
If I ever get there, anyone that responds to this comment will get a special video shoutout at 1M subs. Hold me to it!
That's amazing, I have no doubt you'll get there with the great content you create! Looking forward to the shoutout!
@@bigboxSWE If you keeping pumping out quality content like this getting to 1 million subs is an inevitability. Keep up the good work!
I will be there
Don't forget me🎉
short and meaningful.
I'd be interested to read why you didn't consider Full Stack Open to be worthy - if you have any thoughts to share.
ma man! thank you!!!
love u from ur video hell tutorial xD keep it uppp
Please upload more videos like this❤❤❤❤
If only im using mac, knowing that i need to setup vb for odin project kinda turn off for me but after your vids, I want to give it another go
Hey Bigbox ,how to build a project on my own, every time I try to build clone or something my mind goes blank. How to overcome from this, how to learn to build on my own without the help of TH-cam?
Do smaller projects. Even if you consider the project you are doing now to be small, break it up into 10 or more smaller projects and tackle them one at a time. When you have a working (small) project, start adding features and functionality on top of it. Then clean it up and add more features. Then scrap the project and redo it after having gained the knowledge and experience from doing it on a smaller scale. Rinse and repeat until you are satisfied. Something to keep in mind is that many websites have huge teams working on it. For individual projects, we should think small and basic at first, not worrying about how pretty or professional it looks. Once we have a better grasp on the software we can then think about scaling it up and making it look nicer.
Is it something like that but for developing desktop apps? thanks in advance.
did you find any?
Nope I just took some tutorial in yt on building a specific app and adapt it to what I wanted to build @@laptoprelaks
I just read the whole comment section, currently learning Jonas Schmedtmann's js course, after this one want to start TOP. Any advice?
hey big box, will it be possible to work only as a backend developer (intern or junior) after completing their node.js course?
I mean does it provide enough skills to become a backend dev?
Are there any course of this style and quality for anything other than web development?
Thank you
Im on third day re-reading css flexbox, still trying to get ir right
do you recommend Odin Project over CS50?
I’m interested in his response to this as well!
cs50 is an introduction to cs concepts and the odin project is soleley focused on full stack web development
@@zawarudo6389There is a CS50 for web dev called CS50W
I have done TOP for almost a month and stopped then picked up udemy course and left it too after some time ! I think I'm just not suited for coding and start looking for another carrier!!
How's the free code camp certificate programme on their website?
Is there any similar Odin Project to learn python + AI?
what about cs50w? is it better than the Odin Project?
Do you have any recommendations for data analytics?
What do you think of fullstackopen?
how can i never heard about THE ODIN PROJECT!
Hey I was going through FreeCodeCamp currently doing CSS completed HTML,
What would you suggest? 😅
did you finished it?
@@laptoprelaks Yes
What do you think of alx?
Anyone know the best course to learn advanced fundamentals for PHP?
What you guys think what is better for beginner in Web Development i learn a little about Python and after OOP i want to change to Web is FreeCodeCamp or Odin better for beginner?
The Odin Project, watch the video to understand why
After completing the odin project full stack curriculum.What would u recommend for the next step ? Is odin project basic level ?
Full stack open
Anybody know of any free interactive websites to learn computer networking?
App Academy seem ruby based, that is not bad ?
print(awesomeness)
Bro can you please give me ideas for backend project for java spring stack to put in resume
I have been learning from last 6 months.
please stop learning features and just do it. stop overthinking
it's been more than 1 year since i learn how to code
should i do odin project now will it be benificial for me?
Please give me your opinion
Yes Odin Project is the best.
Anything similar for iOS and ML developers ? 😳
Hey how is fullstackopen??
It's like ToP but much heavier. ToP assumes you have little/no experience coding. FSO starts off with the assumption you are a begginer but already are familiar with programming concepts.
@@maestreiluminati87 okay thanks for info
What about fullstackopen?
Even better but many do Odin first
what i heard is that its better to do odin project and switch to fso in the react part
What do you think about zero to mastery platform?
i personally don't like video tutorials. they can give you a false sense of achievement and you can't copy paste code to just try something out if you're curious!
bought their web dev begginer course did till react section just by watching coding along didnt understand concepts fully and now i am back to square 1 doing the odin project from foundations
Bro while watching that video u have to coding exact and clear thát concepts so which issue u r facing??
sorry is web development different to game development?
yes both are different worlds
Gee thanks
Is he saying Eldin?
no love for fullstackopen?
in some previous video you mention that there is no "best" course but now you are contradicting your opinion 😶😭 anyways goodluck with your yt ❤
I also mentioned there's nothing better than writing source code ;)
As far as the best or greatest courses go - this is probably the one!
some may argue TOP content is bad but its more so of the way of you learn in TOP.
if you actually check TOP you are actually still self learning and writing your own code instead of completely hand held
i hope... i knew this earlier
but its for linux
Im doing it on windows, WSL 2 :D
Is it working fine?
@@Forestbadminton yep, had no problem at all
@@EuJogueiGoat Thank you!
Whenever i recommend it to my friends they just follow my advice they go and follow some random udemy tutorial. How dumb can people be?
Protect bigbox
handle with care - fragile inside
@@bigboxSWE if only my ex were to understand this
demands Linux. no thanks. i picked up a discounted udemy course for 10 $. does the job, the rest is up to you
ahh learning how to interact with unix based operating systems (specifically linux) is a very handy skill to have (despite the steep learning curve!)
I get easily bored reading long paragraphs
Oh wait I know what this is. It's a promotion for odin vs a/A. Well, guess what, both of them are not the best resources :)
at least they don't hand hold you like most tutorials
@@conradmbugua9098 Agree, most resources do not refer you to their source of information. But it doesn't stop you from googling.
You're the one that picked the tutorial over looking for docs on google.
It's easy (if you really want that), let go of that hand and you'll achieve what you aim for on your own.
My recommendation is to just go over the website's roadmap, and figure out other things on your own, It's all up to you, tutorials do not knock on your door and ask you for your hand :).
I would even advise you to try going through the source code if possible, after you do that, try reading the docs, I dare not to say "pff, well, duuuh" after you read few paragraphs. But it's not for everyone, and it's kind of overkill for most people.
What's better?
@@atanas-nikolov You might want to revisit my previous comment, but in general, there isn't a single "best" resource or type of resource. What I appreciate about TOP is their wide range of recommendations, including videos, articles, and interactive games/challenges.
Think of TOP as just one resource among many available online. Take their suggestions with a grain of salt and don't limit yourself to their approach.
I've encountered situations where I've directed people to more suitable solutions for their specific needs. For instance, there was a person who needed to use a Linux distribution like Fedora, but they were being encouraged to stick with Ubuntu as recommended by the moderators. Unfortunately, the moderators couldn't resist the temptation to impose their preferred operating system and prevented me from suggesting alternative options. So, be aware of the limited perspectives they may enforce.
TOP is a waste of time, all you need to do is to learn the tools, surely creating mockup projects will help but quite relatively.
Odin's community is really toxic, and their website recommends old technologies. Take it with a barrel of salt.
What are the old technologies they recommend? What new technologies have replaced them? Do you have a suggestion for a better platform/method to learn from?
That Carlos dude seems like a dick to everyone who’s just trying to learn, but I feel the other people learning to code are pretty cool
@@chindianajones3742 Example: stop using CRA; vite is the best tool for that (currently).
Example: Firebase is a vendor-lockin; there are other alternatives out there, some of them are even open-source.
Also, try asking for help on a topic outside TOP, even if it still in the same field, they'll dedicate their whole time stopping you from asking questions about it as well as stopping others from answering you, unless of course the other person is well known there (human nature, what can one do?).
Platform?? do you really need one?
Just go through each technology's docs. if there is no official one you'll find great resources that covers all the things you need to know about it.
Also I'm not saying that their whole system is not good, I said take it with a barrel of salt, do your own research and compare information, never take what they say/do for granted.
@@anasouardini I see. However, I am not convinced by your criticisms that TOP is of insufficient educational value to me (or to the beginner in general). I will keep in mind your comments about old technologies and learn about new ones as I go, and when I need to seek help on a topic/problem that is outside the scope of TOP, naturally I will consult the most appropriate documentation/community for that specific problem.
@@chindianajones3742 Good luck.
Whats your opinion on freecodecamp?
It's easily the best online resource for beginners, I'm amazed he didn't mention it.
@@TravisHi_YT maybe he didnt check it out yet?
@@TravisHi_YTthe problem is too much hand holding, it's only really bad at utilising your time and is very easy(when picking a resource, always pick something hard or mildly hard so that you brain is forced to think and develop
@@razaabbas6605 EXACTLY thing is
At first I was in TOP, I was like wew too much reading no doing work. looked for something else.
I found some more shiny ones like FreeCodeCamp and more. I thought FCC was the end all be all.
I realize these that its not fun and with my adhd brain it never gets me to do what i need to do lol(although I can see how FCC can be restructured into the same approach as TOP for people like me)
When I realize its not fun , I realize fun only comes when I'm doing project. ChatGPT came, what I did was draw out what I need to build something like a todolist but etc addeventlisteners but dont tell me how to use it( so i have to read how to use it).
then I realized this approach it familiar.. I checked TheOdinProject it blew my mind. TOP was it all along.
now Im back with TOP hope this will sustain. wish me luck people
Do you like freecodecamp?
What do you think of fullstackopen?
Even better but many do Odin first