This F40 & McLaren F1 rival is the greatest bargain you've never heard of!
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Matthew Ivanhoe from The Cultivated Collector tells the story of one of his favorite cars.
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#Racecars #Venturi #McLarenF1
I had forgotten about campaigning this car in Gran Turismo 2, or the fact that these awesome cars existed. Thank you for bringing their story to light again!
green forest raceway: european car cup yee haw
I forgot that I wasn’t a nerd so I never played video games
“Campaigning “ … you mean “playing” right?
@@Hard_Right No, campaign is exactly what he meant. Not that you would understand, but that game had 2 discs. An arcade mode where you pop it in to have fun racing friends/test driving cars, etc. But the second disc was Simulation mode where you had an entire racing career to work through-everything from obtaining licenses, to unlocking cars, and events. And if you think that’s nerdy, GT4 (a sequel on PS2) had ACTUAL 24 hour endurance races, including the famous LeMans.
@@Ryan57Garr LOL OK. play it is then.
This car needs to be on the next cartrec. I would do a Cartrec on off brand car companies. Venturi for Europe, AMC for America and Holden for the East.
100000% percent yes
I back this 💯 %
I have absolutely zero recollection of this car in GT 🤔 Which GT? Was it a test use vehicle or actually usable in its class? And I'm saying this after devoting a large percentage of my life to this game 😆
@@jasonkelly4964 Gran Turismo 2!
Car Trek*
I loved the Atlantique cars in GranTurismo2, loved how everybody said: "Is that a Ferrari?" "Where did you get a Ferrari in GT?"
hahaha my friends were amazed by how it looked so much like a Ferrari of the time
It looks like an F40 and a 300ZX hooked up. Now that you know, you can't un-see it! You're welcome.
the timing of this is interesting theres actually a venturi 400 trophy for sale in france right now for £102,000. considering the value of a ferrari f40 or mclaren f1 that is nothing.
Yeah, now watch as dozens of other influencers make videos and the prices go through the fucking roof 😕…
The fun thing is that this Venturi had a V6 based on the SAME PRV engine as can be found in the DeLorean DMC but also the Renault Alpine A310 and the later Alpine GTA, GT turbo and A610.
This PRV engine got a bad reputation when it first was introduced in the Volvo 260 and Peugeot 604. But it was greatly improved and later it was even the basis for the engine in very succesful touring racecar: the Alfa Romeo 155Ti ! Obviously the engine was very much modified but the shortblock was still a PRV.
Yeah the first gen PRV got a bad reputation because it wasn't as strong as the second gen PRV and the weird odd fire it had which I personally think sounds awesome, but the first gen can honestly have a lot of power with very little effort done to it, if you take a PRV B28E that we got here in Europe and America and make a turbo kit on it, with a tiny T3 turbo and 0,5 bar of boost you can easily have around 210hp, which is pretty impressive considering the B28E only had 130-147hp
This one used a 3L 24v turbo
I always had a soft spot for Venturi, I had a book of fast cars when I was a kid where the 400GT featured and of course it was a bit of a weapon in Gran Turismo. I saw two 400's when I was on holiday in France some time in the early 2000's and that made me pretty happy
There's a famous quote in firearm design in which seems fitting for a plethora of other French industries: No one copies the French and the French copy nobody.
I have owned a Venturi and a Alpine GTA V6 Turbo. IMO The Alpine is a far better car. Chassis is in a different game. Less BHP but much more a drivers car and made you smile every mile you were behind the wheel.
I'm probably the 0.010% who know about Venturi without playing gran turismo, also I'm a little disappointed that you didn't talk about the 400's more powerful brothers. The Venturi 500 LM, 600LM and the 600 SLM were absolute track weapons!
Honestly thought this was going to be about the Lister Storm when I saw the title
They cost a fortune though.
Same here
Exactly what I thought
@@kowosky But they sell for about a million...
John Ficarra got a worthy opponent!
Oh the Venturi 400gr is my dream car. I remember playing with it in gran turismo and I wouldn't get tired of it, it was so fun
I remember going to the car shows and seeing the various Venturi models, Atlantique, 300, 400GT and also the GTD R42’s, it was an awesome time for cars
I am always happy when people talk about cars I know about but few people (at least in the US) are aware of. I love the Venturi cars.
I always loved the Venturi cars
I feel the same for the _Lister Storm_ and I hope they bounce back. Maybe a jaguar based electric sports car comeback.
I like my storms “daily “
Lister have been putting out faster versions of jags lately. The TH-camr TGETV has a Jaguar F Pace SVR Lister thing.
@@tcl80 its the Lister Stealth with 666bhp
THIS!
This dude 100% is a SARD MC8R fan!
Wow! just when I thought this car was destined to a footnote in the automotive history books, here comes this video. I fondly remember it from the 90s, when it was presented at Turbo (on M6, a French TV channel), and when I had the same thought of it resembling an F40. Let's see if anyone has a story about Monteverdi or Mega (Truck, Monte Carlo) supercars from the same period.
The GT is the road going version.
The Trophy is the race car
With a PRV anyways.
I don't think Venturi I that slept on. Most people who love hypercars/racecars know about the cars and what they made. I think the reason they aren't that expensive is because they weren't as successful as he makes out. They had horrible driving characteristics and you can't exactly get spare parts for either. A lot of people have looked into these cars and that's an overwhelming complaint. The NSX really killed these because It was more luxury for about the same price and with Hondas reliability. So a car you had to buy, import and worry about if it broke, wasn't a great selling point
I wish you would interview all of the people involved in the Cizeta V16 project that are still alive. Too bad Claudio Zampolli passed away. All of that Lamborghini and Cizeta history mostly gone.
Perhaps you can interview Fabrizio Ferrari who teaches at the Enzo Ferrari School of Design in Italy.
Great to see someone passionate about these rare unique vehicles. Excellent!👍
i actually heard of it competed alongside the F40
What car did you love because of a video game?
I love these cars! A venturi 400 GT is a dream car of mine, there was 1 rhd conversion done in the early 00's but was written off in around 09 sadly. I honestly have no idea if theres any more in the UK after that
I saw two in York at a show about five years ago, lovely looking motor.
I would call that a better-looking F40. That Yacco livery is gorgeous. Thanks for reminding me of a car I had forgotten.
The F40 looks tits as is, but don't know much about these but the F40 can't look much better except the special one we all know
This guys enthusiasm is just great! Thank you for a very interesting story
If you dont have straight cut gears i would never not use the clutch. If you want to bang gears like your saying a sequential is ideal.
Although I agree.
I can change gear in my car clutch less without Crunching the gears - up and down the box.
It takes practice, hard going on the Synchromesh's.
will eventually prematurely wear them out - hence a gearbox rebuild.
@@vfr492 A dog box transmission has what are known as dogs (big metal lugs) instead of a synchromesh (cone shaped clutch) on the engagement surface of the gears like you'd find in a normal road car. These big metal lugs allow a much more direct and positive engagement of the gear which doesn't necessarily require a clutch and they can handle a lot more abuse, the downside of this design is that gear changes can be a bit harsh in everyday use and they increase the chance of driveline/engine damage if you select too low of a gear for rpm/wheel speed.
A dog leg transmission simply means that first gear is down/left and 2nd/3rd are vertically opposite, the basic idea being that on a circuit you go between 2nd3rd a lot more regularly than 1st/2nd so it is more efficient to put them on the same gate.
@@vfr492 LOL you are way off. Dogleg shift and Dog box are 2 completely different things hahaha. Dog box refers to a gearbox that uses drive dogs in lieu of synchro rings. Has absolutely fck all to fo with the shift pattern.
Well, the value of these cars just went up like crazy LOL
Always remember seeing these in top marques mid to late 90’s and they were always in supercar books only ever seen one at a car show surprised how many people don’t know the existence of these
So cool to see this as a French. Very well know in francz
Brilliant Vinwiki video, we need this guy back more often!
1:20 = Simple : 400 trophy race version, 400 GT road legal one.
I always called the baby F40 🤭🤭
Dear video editor… when the guy is talking about the interior, please show relevant pictures 🙄🙏🏼
Same for when he's talking about the difference in appearance between the street and race versions.
Strange, how i know about this car. This dude use to live close where i lived as a kid, he had one. Was Yellow, i remember asking him if it was a Ferrari F40 :D
Always liked the Venturis, shame they didn’t take a leaf out of Marcos’ book and just use a Yank V8, the turbocharged Renault V6 is a bag of s**t imo.
That Reno V6 was in the Delorean
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I don't understand why I've never seen/heard of this car. It's been a really long time since that's happened!
How about the Shelby CSX-T?
Tourismo 2 we always used r32's and 3000gt's with the puma racing decals on it...good times
I remember reading about the road-going Atlantique MANY years ago in a British mag (probably Fast lane magazine) and thinking, "Ooo, that's cool! But they probably won't still be around by the time I can afford one...".
How right I was!!!
So much passion has never not been shown.
Someone needs to do a cannon ball run in an Altima. They naturally drive like crack addicts running to go sell their food stamps. it’ll go under the radar as long as you go triple digits
I've been a fan of these since the PS2 Gran Turismo days as well. But it's French, so of course there are caveats . It has a turbo PRV as many point out, but IIRC (don't have time to go digging around search engines at the moment, so correct me if I'm wrong) it also has the same weak point that afflicted the V8 turbo Esprits: the Renault gearbox. For a small turbo 4-banger (Renault R5 Turbo and the turbo-4 Esprits) it isn't so bad, but the torque of a turbo V8 or turbo V6 tends to make it a bit... delicate.
there was a dark blue one at the NY auto show this year, i had no clue what it was nor its history and thought it was some kit car
I just bought a Venturi from a dealer going out of business in Rome, GA a few months ago. ITS WACKY
Which one did you get?
Was it an Atlantique? If so, that car has been around for a while, has some interesting history
@@matthewivanhoe7477 yes
Lol he didn’t mention the engine or horsepower once. Must be a V6
A PRV V6 with a big turbo… so not the best motor in the world 🌎
He said 400hp
Twin turbo V6 developed from the PRV listed at 408hp. If it's light, it'll fly.
9:46
Yea iv always liked these but never see them anymore
Great sales pitch. This guy must be holding a few of these.
im assuming its the venturi or the lister storm. guessing before the video.
Smart play, talk up this car so the one you have for sale already fetches a higher price.
never heard of these somehow but glad i watched this...pretty cool looking and actually did well
It's a really cool car I kind of looks like a Toyota Supra and a lotus esprit mashed up together but I'm about to blow the dust off of one of my old PlayStation games and see about getting that in Gran Turismo
Those Venturi cars in BPR had an unhealthy reputation for aging quickly, when they were factory fresh they would be winners and then their competitiveness would tail off dramatically!
Better than an F40...😬 this guy is obviously trying to sell a venturi
I'm pretty sure more than 50% or people watching this have heard of this car and it's not even comparable to an f1 or and f40
My dream car from Gran Turismo (3) was the Pagani Zonda, which sadly doesn't get the best reviews.
Panoz Esperante GTR-1!!!!
Ah Gran Turismo 2 memories!
i see one sold for 150k in 2019.. its affordable-ish
Fantastic share, oh and keep up the great work.
Looks like an autozam limousine haha
PRVs could be pretty powerful
Ahhhh Gran Turismo 2
I got for christmas aling with a ps1 and a bunch of games when my cousin upgraded to a ps2
But just saying
Gran turismo 2 was my favourite game back when i was 6
I've ben hunting these cars for years. They an't that easy to buy... 10 years ago, You could get a 400 for like 49 .000 euros... I nearly got a venturi atlantique for like 20.000 euros... Sadly I didn't have the balls to buy it.
I could have had a Dino, for 8 grand. It needed some TLC but the potential bills of that scared the shit out of me at the time. I could have had a Testarossa for 26 grand, possibly less, but it ran rough and at the time I was young and dumb, I could have had new distributors put in for very little, maybe plugs...
Styling-wise, I would have mistaken this for a Nissan 300.
Love me some classic GT1 monsters!
The car looks like a lotus that someone wanted to turn into an F40
This guy probably has a warehouse full of these for sale.
It sounds like a car ad doesn't it?
Talk up the Market...
Fair play I guess.....
I see his xar is for sale interesting
So rare don’t even have photos of things you describe
That's the worst description write up about a video.
It looks a lot like Nissan 300 ZX. That's definitely not a bad thing.
And the first car in the world to have carbon fiber brakes, including on they road legal cars.
BPR SERIES!
meh
"Fraction of the price", but... how are the mechanicals? Like, is it gonna cost 50 times the purchase price every other year to keep running? ;)
Hard to imagine anything else would need the annual budget that an old Ferrari or Lamborghini needs 😂😂
@@jsquared1013 Oh, totally agree, but, while I could conceivably afford a $50k "ultra-discount" supercar if I *really* scraped for it, I definitely couldn't afford something that was gonna cost that much every year. I'm just... not in that money class. Heh.
Honestly, if it turned out they had beautiful sheet metal and crappy mechanicals, I'd be tempted to buy one, strip it, and rebuild it on a tube chassis with stuff that's common. I have definitely considered that if I ever found some barn Ferrari (yeah, I know, slim chance) with a blown engine or something... I mean, I would totally LS swap a Testarossa. ;)
@@ilcylic could put a Viper V10, would also fit with both coming from Fiat/Chrysler
@@AnarchistMetalhead Dude, you are my hero. I am, in fact, far more of a Mopar guy than an LS guy, and I had completely not even made the Fiat connection to Ferrari. And I've even considered doing a late model hemi swap into a very crappy little tiny Fiat I've been trying to buy off a guy for a couple of years for just that connection. Sort of the Shelby Cobra style "American V8 into a European Sports Car" thing, though there would be a fair bit more work involved, as I suspect the only *truly* useful parts of that Fiat for the project would be the sheet metal, and being 6'5", I think I might have to do a bit of a "widebody" conversion, and possibly stretch the wheelbase a bit. Depends on if I can get the driver's seat back far enough without that, I suppose.
Your suggestion is absolute perfection. :D
Well, that settles it. Time to start looking in barns... :D
@@ilcylic looking forward to the result, whichever it happens to be.
what was the Fiat model you were trying to get?
I will be on the look out for one I've never seen one
Could you imagine seeing purists lose their minds over seeing a ratty primered F40 LM-GTE!?
Like the rattarossa? It's already been done
@@randominternetuser2888 Sorry pall.. rattarosa has an ferrari testarossa, he not own any F40 not even mention the ultra rare LM spec.. yea, he plan to buy an F40 but since the prices are too the roof lately specially for ferrari so he now sourced a F40 body-kit and he plans to rebuild it just like gas-monkey-garage F40..
Amazing
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im building a fiat 500 LMP car (LMAO)
So why is this guy here? Just to talk about Gran Turismo? Is this really what you envisioned for this channel Ed? Because this guy and this story is just bad bad bad. He is full of it about his weakest one making 400 at the treads especually when he states the torque figure and blows his story out of the window, anyone who sees chassis dynos regularly will know exactly what i mean
Hi
Nope
Motoring dog dirt, forgotten because nobody talks about them… for a reason 💩💩🍩👈
Nope. Sorry. Looks like a bad Ferrari kit car.
its French! so ofcourse its a shit box, go watch reviews it's comically bad