@@michaelmalodrums9674 Unless red in the end also fabs (using Forza Silicon is a privately held, global leader in fables semiconductor design) at sony :)
@GrenlandUnderVann yeah , I a sure their is a clean 1 million iso sensor with 20 stops DR 8k sensor with global shutter that you can buy for 1 million dollars, or a fusion reactor if you have the money. What about that engine to travel faster than light, only money is the problem and not tech, knowledge we are at etc.
Nikon for the win - many of us have been saying this for years - Nikon will become (again) the industry leader - seems like were are just about there at this point. Never been better to be a Nikon shooter - the future looks brighter than ever. -PD
It is gonna be fun when you see nikon with yellow background signify it was the photography lineup, while you gonna see nikon with red background signifying their cinema lineup. How cool is that
Reminds of when DJI buying Hasselblad. Nikon going from no cinema line to Red Cinema line is a crazy W. Real question is how will Nikon integrate Red’s technology into future Nikon Cameras.
@@OrdinaryFilmmakerprobably down the road. They are not going to want to be subject to Canon's approval, licensing, or have to support evolution of new lenses and protocols. They got the Z mount which is by far more adapter compatible than RF.
Yup this pretty much sums up how I felt as well. It's crazy, and catapults Nikon from pretty low in the cinema line to near the top. It makes me wonder what's next? ARRI and Leica maybe or perhaps Fujifilm? It would have to be some one who doesn't have a cinema line already and has a similar passion if that were to happen.
It’s great to see some positive expansion in the industry. I’m a Canon die hard for stills but it will be awesome to see what this new merger will produce.
This like those romantic comedy movies we used to get around 2008, where the girl and the guy who hate each other and in the process of hating each other they realize they actually love the other person.
Simon do you recall last April Nikon posted a logo with a cine camera logo ? and people were speculating maybe it was a software announcement ? maybe it was foreshadowing.
other than RED already using the Canon RF mount, another win for Nikon! Really like what they've done the last couple of years, honestly if you're a brand new shooter they're gonna be a tough brand to overlook now
@@kevinonono no, the Z mount is actually bigger than the RF mount, and I believe has a shorter flange distance too. So RF can adapt to Z, but as far as I'm aware, Z mount cannot adapt to any other mount. It can only accept other adapted mounts
@@JuanSanchez-zz3meright. There is no RF to Z however due to clearances with the bayonet however. You can technically do it if you modify the Z mount a bit. Probably not worth it. Z was always designed to adapt other systems very well.
“Have you noticed Nikon’s strategic manoeuvres over the last eight years? In 2016, Nikon acquired Mark Roberts Motion Control (known for its robotic arm and programmed camera control). Now, in 2024, Nikon has announced the acquisition of RED. Imagine combining MRMC’s expertise with RED’s cutting-edge cameras and sensors. And let’s not forget the rapid advancements in Ai (Artificial Intelligence),! Nikon’s recent moves are nothing short of a masterstroke.” 📸🚀
As a Nikon 'hybrid' photographer, thoughts from the Nikon side: * Can Red switch from the RF to the Z mount? * How much can Nikon leverage the Red sensor manufacturing? * Can they release a Nikon Z8R[ed]? * Can Nikon leverage Red filmmakers in their marketing?
I understand the excitement from Nikon folks, but to me this is about as exciting as waking up to find out that Epson bought Apple or Datsun acquired Tesla
Did anyone see this coming?? Fantastic new! Maybe this how we'll see the Z-H or Z9 H with optimzed /watered down version of Red's global shutter, this is awesome! 2 years ago I sold all my Fuji gear , and I could go to any system , the mind said Sony / Canon , the heart said Nikon , Glad I listened to my heart. Nikon is Back big time!! Let the games begin...
Something I actually called when they filled the suit... I said they would enter talks and get bought out... Classic!!! "We want to own you and you'll love it"
Thank you for the update and comments. Interesting times ahead. I believe this will spur Canon into action or they will be left catering for the lower end of each market segment
Surprise! Surprise! Nikon has done it again. Patton dispute resolved by Nikon buying Red. This is probably why we haven't had any Nikon Z6III or APSC Cameras. 8K Global Shutter is now placing Nikon in the Movie World. Cheers!
Even though Nikon can benefits from an acquisition of RED by expanding it reach into cinema cameras, Canon and RED were never really direct competitors. At least not the way Sony and Canon competes camera for camera. People that chose RED as a cinema camera don't really consider Canon as a viable option. At least I've never met anybody that has. Although this merger may result in some sharing of parts, I suspect RED will retain its brand and continue to do its own thing
A huge win for consumers. Red will be stronger than ever with the full backing of nikon glass. It should finally allow them to break free of Canon lenses. Z mount red cameras should also be able to mount all of Sony lenses. Fantastic
I'll be honest, this is a huge shock, and it really leaves me thinking that Nikon could have a huge opportunity here, if they take this opportunity with there current line-up of lenses and bring out new cameras with some of this new tech and more, we could see some huge shifts in market share and many people jumping ship to them if the cameras and video cameras come out and perform...
freaking wild, really great for nikon but I really really hope they keep making some red cameras with the rf mount. that was kinda keeping the canon cinema game alive alongside the c70 &r5c in my opinion. i hope i hope
BIG news!!!! 😳😳😳😳 👏👏👏👏👏👏 And think about Nikon struggling financially only few years ago... I wonder what happened with Nikon, maybe some big japanese group (keiretsu) is putting money in Nikon pockets
Seriously. If you buy anything from RED you pay through the nose for it, so I cannot imagine what the whole company cost Nikon. Where on Earth did they get the money? I used RED gear for the first time in a production about 3 years back and it all struck me as almost mil-spec equipment. It felt more like a grenade launcher than a camera but the images were stellar. A strange and legendary company. I hope Nikon takes good care of it.
@@JohnSmith762A11B They reportedly had a lot of cash on hand. Nikon is a conservative company. They don't throw cash at something unless they know there's a benefit. This makes them a little slow, yes, but they have survived over 100 years under that paradigm. Now, couple their conservative spending with the huge success of the Z9, Z8, Zf, and others, and the quality of their Z line of lenses and it doesn't take long for them to amass the kind of cash necessary to buy Red.
They never will do such a thing. Makes way more sense to create a full system of lenses and cameras around the Z mount so they can custom tailor optical designs to their own proprietary electrical components. In particular if they are going to bring AF to some red models.
I'm so glad that i didn't jump ship in 2020 when I was thinking of it. I was like hold on a a bit, the Z - Mount is only the tip of the iceberg that Nikon is planning to release
Every one is missing the real reason for this deal, the patents. In the world of big business no one pays to license a patent, instead they trade access to each others patents. Right now Sony has the most important patent, that for dual layer photo diodes which increase sensor sensitivity by a full stop and reduces noise. Canon just patented three layer stacked sensors hoping to do a trade, Nikon now has the Red patents, which are arguably more important, for the same reason.
Hey Simon, look at that, the high end Nikon cameras suddenly support RF mount 😛 As I mailed you this morning, this is indeed a very impressive move from Nikon !! It remains to be seen how RED's mighty global shutter sensor can be made cheaper when produced at larger scales .. a Z9ii with such sensor could be awesome, but no one would buy it for over 20k$. All of a sudden, it makes much less senses for Nikon to release a Zh with the a9iii sensor .. 🤔 Main open questions are whether Nikon will keep using Sony sensors, and whether RED will keep using RF. Time will tell ..
This is interesting but a $30K to $50K RED V-Raptor isn't for us ordinary filmmakers. Will Nikon start putting out affordable cinema cams to complete with the Canon C70, Sony FX series, or the Blackmagic 6K? Then there's the issue of Red V-Raptors using the RF mount, the result of a separate lawsuit settlement. Will Canon force Nikon to discontinue that mount?
No, but it is very affordable when it comes to production work. Cinema cameras go well into the 100,000s of thousands. This gets them into Hollywood/Netflix above Canon.
Mr Drummond, RED Digital Cinema has cameras at and under $10K that will do everything an “ordinary filmmaker” would need to accomplish their work/goals for making incredible images, why are you creating this $30K-$50K straw man argument for cameras that are obviously meant for the top end/union made/professional market? RF Mount isn’t going anywhere, but Nikon Mounts will come with more features integrated into new RED Cameras in the future. These are bad arguments, sorry.
@@TH-cam_can_ESAD Red Cinema Komodo 6K camera: $6K (their only "affordable" model from what I can find). Monitor: $600 to $1800. Cage: $500. Gimbal: $500 to $1000 or more. So, at least $8K to $9K spent, and that's before getting to cine lenses and all the other stuff. If that's "affordable" to you, mazel tov. Add another $4K for the Komodo-X 6K model. And the point about the RF mount was an honest question, not an argument. Good on Nikon for getting into the cinema game. I still say they should use this purchase to bring out some hybrid-style cameras to compete with the others I mentioned.
Even more reason to steer away from Canon. I sold a RED a while back as I was not using it, moved to Sigma and Panasonic for all my video needs and Nikon for all my photo needs. Maybe I will convert back to new RED stuff soon.
Could be a coup if not mismanaged. We will see. Perhaps a genius move, reaping the benefits of advanced tech while not needing to bear the cost trajectory. So far, until the Z9, Nikon couldn't get out of their own way. There's still hope.
😮 this is crazy in a cool way lol I've heard that RED tends to not have the best customer service which is one of the things that made me less eager to look into buying a RED down the line, so I wonder/hope that this might help with that if Nikon can change things for the better 🤔
@@TH-cam_can_ESAD Thats good to hear 🤔 I dont know I know its all anecdotal of course but I just hear how some of the maybe lesser known TH-camrs seem to get treated a bit coldly by customer service, enough that it sort of sounds like a bit of a problem, even more so than other manufacturers. But thats great if they're actually good customer service, I might look into that ecosystem down the line 😬
Nikon got tired of Red Patents on RAW codecs. “F*** it we’ll just buy you instead” Overall I’m surprised they bought Red. I assume they are going to push more hybrid camera with some raw capabilities. That should stir up the competition between Sony and Canon. I just wish Panasonic upgrade thier cinema division too. Their EVA1 needs another update and a their new AF.
Two things: - it's weird that RED uses Canon mount 😅. I wonder if Nikon will migrate next RED cameras to Z mount. - I think Nikon will make licenses agreement about compressed raw with other brands like Sony, Canon, Panasonic, etc. Not closing the patent access but not opening it for free
Canon and Sony , from a corporate view, are the big players in technology and comparatively Nikon is much smaller (4-6 times) than either of them. Look for either Sony or Canon either merge with or acquire Nikon in the next 1-2 years. Just business....
So as part of this transaction, Nikon has a licence to build cameras with an RF mount? 🤔 Maybe they can build an RF variant of the Z9 to cure the BSI sensor deprivation that Canon is putting its own user base through… 😆
Sacré revirement Nikon qui n'avait jamais percé ni par son matériel de prise de vue ni par ses optiques dans le marché réduit du matériel professionnel pour le cinema, fait avec cette opération un coup de maitre, que Canon aurait du faire. Attendons de voir la suite car gérer ce créneau n'est pas mince affaire, ARRI et Sony le savent bien, et l'outsider Kinifinity reste en point de mire se contentant pour le moment du marché chinois.
They have to be careful how they handle this. Maybe keep supporting the RF mount, but introduce the option for the Z mount as well. A lot of cinema camera use EF and RF lenses.
@@OrdinaryFilmmakerI don’t see Nikon keeping a mount system of their longest and biggest rival. My guess is 6-12 months they will discontinue the current lineup
@@JamesJacksonFilmzThis is a hilariously ridiculous statement and will NOT happen, why would Nikon alienate hordes of current RED customers? No, it won’t happen, the RED cameras will continue to use all the specialized camera mounts that make the RED such an incredible modular system. But RED cameras in the future will certainly integrate more of Nikon’s technology using their mounts.
Btw, I was pushing for Jarred to sell to Fujinon Films but their relationship with Sony kind of killed that idea… But I’ve known that RED was streamlining their company to sell for the past 6-7 years, if you were close to the company/their core employees who built the company from scratch, you knew something was on the horizon. I’m just glad that they didn’t sell to one of these black hole private equity firms for max profits.
@@TH-cam_can_ESAD when aputure acquired prolyte they discontinued the Orion series of lights. It has happened many times in this industry before. But don’t be suprise they will discontinue the RF system. Nikon is not about to help out its longest rival even at the expense of customers.
and in the future nikon will merge with sony , since most sensor were made by sony 😅 , i mean this seems like a bold/desperate move to gain in competition . . . guess the competition is gonna be neat this year !!
RED is an extremely meaningful brand in Hollywood and in fact across the serious filmmaking industry worldwide. Nikon should not change a thing in that regard. Like ARRI and Panavision RED gets automatic approval for use in any project no matter how big the budget.
Nikon dropped a Nuclear Bomb on the camera industry with this announcement. They will make their money up in royalty fees from Canon, Sony, Fuji. Nikon has shown they are here to play!!! If I were going to buy in the red price space, I would go with the Sony Burono, 8k, image stabilization and autofocus. I’m happy for Nikon as it will make for heavy completion in the market and Nikon can now develop their own sensors for both video and stills. I personally think when the lawsuit was over Nikon had already told Red that they were buying them. That deal got done too soon, but I love how they both kept it quiet.
'Dynamic range' isn't what you think it is. It doesn't tell you anything much about 'low light performance', and it's highly unlikely that the RED sensor's DR, normalised in the same way, is any more than the A9 III's DR. I can't see any clear statements from RED about the protocols that their 'DR' claims are based on. The normalisation and limits chosen can make a huge difference to DR figures, and you'd have to know that comparable measurements were being used before declaring that one was better than another. RED sensors are designed by Forza Silicon and fabricated at a foundry, likely ST. Neither is likely to have any special magic sauce that Sony doesn't. Neither is either likely to be able to do better than Nikon's own sensor development team, which is very capable. Also, the sensors that RED uses are unlikely to be proced at a level allowing use in Nikon cameras. That said, there is a lot of obvious synergy between RED and Nikon - just not that.
This is sad news. As for RED, the only interesting thing about that company is their destructive, infamous compressed RAW patent. When Nikon managed to get around this, it gave hope to the camera industry. Now that hope is gone.
@@ghas4151 yet sports photographers haven’t switched to the Z9. Especially since the Z9 is more than 2 years old. The Z8 almost one year old. If Nikon had leaped frogged Canon & Sony in AF technology, why have not more sports photographers switched? Because when Canon leaped frogged Nikon in AF technology back in the day, sports photographers dumped all their Nikon gear to switch to Canon.
@@bngr_bngr I slammed the brakes on switching to Sony (A1) when the Z9 was announced. At its release, AF still lagged the A1 (and Canon's R3) in terms of AF but with FW upgrades improvement has been steady and noticeable. I haven't compared the Z9 against the A1 and R3 lately but I would bet dollars to donuts its AF is at least as good - at least for what I shoot (motorsports).
@@bfqywqd even after this latest update. The auto focus on the Canon R3 is better than the Nikon Z9. I think at this point Jared Polin has the best take on these two cameras. Maybe RED will help Nikon with this issue.
@@bngr_bngr You may be right. I haven't shot with a Canon since my old A-1 back in the 70'-80's but the AF on my Z9 works superbly well for me and what I shoot (motorsports). Additionally, there is more to a camera system than AF. Much more. And while I can't really speak to the Canon mirrorless bodies, I know the Sonys feel like children's toys in my hands and don't inspire the same feeling of quality that Nikon does. Nikons also appear to be built more ruggedly than Canons. I know 2 colleagues who have dropped their 1DX's and had issues. I dropped my D4, D5, D6 many times ad thy just kept on ticking. Thant's important for a working professional. I also shoot dog agility events and have heard colleagues comment about their cameras having issues focusing under certain conditions. I've encountered the same conditions and have had no issues. With over 750k "actuations" on my Z9, I think I've had a little more experience with it than some dude with a fro. ;-)
Actually basically while everyone was laughing at Nikon they were selling cameras and planning the next moves . The old jokes about bad AF and potato 🥔 memes are looking long in the Tooth as talking points .
Now that’s newsworthy from Nikon while Canon continues to underwhelm. The Canon R1 and R5 mkII rumors have simply been ho hum yawn news. I can even hear the excitement in your voice on this news from Nikon.
Still I think Canon did a great job with their C500 (much nicer output compared to RED) and their Canon Cinema lenses are still amazing lenses. Keepers for life.
@OrdinaryFilmmaker The thing is, I have zero interest in cinema, but I see this as Nikon working hard to up their game. I feel like Canon is just slipping more and more. I'm hoping for a lot with the R5 II.
@WernerBirdNature Nah. I've been feeling this way for a long time. I have many friends that shoot Nikon. Maybe if Canon removed the damn AA filter from the sensor. There are many reasons why I'm leaning Nikon now. I would LOVE an equivalent to the Nikkor 600mm PF lens. I've had many Canon cameras and lenses the past 10 years. I should really stop investing so much already. Tough decision for sure.
@@scb2scb2 for the same price sony gives way less image quality as compared to blackmagic and lumix cameras. Sony is pricy with way less image quality from a price point. Not even raw data that can be changed in post.
Few corporate pairings make less sense than Nikon/Red. I suspect this will be an epic corporate culture nightmare behind the scenes. I also expect we will see an engineering defection from Red which Nikon will not have the talent pool or capacity to replace. Plus Red is a sitting duck now in the cine space. The salespeople must be livid (and shopping around their resumes as I write this). The whole thing has the makings of another OM-Systems mess before the end of the decade. Would be nice to be wrong about this, but having watched a lot of mergers and having led a few, it’s hard to hold onto talent when a big bureaucratic organization attempts to take hold of policy and procedures. We will see.
What stuns me most too is not a single leak about this ! Exciting times 👌🏼
Yeah. Nobody saw this coming.
@@RadAlzyoudsomeone just the other day was laughing saying why would Sony sell Nikon a global shutter ! Because they have one 🤣
You can get whatever sensor you want. Limitation is cost and production.
@@michaelmalodrums9674 Unless red in the end also fabs (using Forza Silicon is a privately held, global leader in fables semiconductor design) at sony :)
@GrenlandUnderVann yeah , I a sure their is a clean 1 million iso sensor with 20 stops DR 8k sensor with global shutter that you can buy for 1 million dollars, or a fusion reactor if you have the money. What about that engine to travel faster than light, only money is the problem and not tech, knowledge we are at etc.
Yeah. This is huge news for the industry.
I agree with you that the lawsuit dismissal could be the starting point of the deal.
Some law suits are solved this way... Makes you wonder what Canon could be up to ... Arri...
I'm more than convinced that the court agreement was the beginning of the acquisition. Here comes the Z9R, Z8R, and the Z6R, lol...
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker ARRI is not for sale and has not centered it's business on a soon to be depleted patent.
Nikon for the win - many of us have been saying this for years - Nikon will become (again) the industry leader - seems like were are just about there at this point. Never been better to be a Nikon shooter - the future looks brighter than ever.
-PD
wanna bet it will never happen?
I knew sticking with Nikon was the right move. 📷
It is gonna be fun when you see nikon with yellow background signify it was the photography lineup, while you gonna see nikon with red background signifying their cinema lineup. How cool is that
Reminds of when DJI buying Hasselblad. Nikon going from no cinema line to Red Cinema line is a crazy W. Real question is how will Nikon integrate Red’s technology into future Nikon Cameras.
Will they dump the RF mount on new cameras ;)
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Probably dump all new cameras.
@@OrdinaryFilmmakerprobably down the road. They are not going to want to be subject to Canon's approval, licensing, or have to support evolution of new lenses and protocols. They got the Z mount which is by far more adapter compatible than RF.
WOW! Nice one Nikon…once fully implemented, the knock on Nikon’s autofocus issues SHOULD be a thing of the past as well! 😮
I am super excited by this news. It makes Nikon a very focus imaging company dedicated to photography and videography.
It's been solved since the Z9. The Z8, Z9 and Zf all have autofocus systems comparable to Sony and Canon
@@grayheet Agreed! Here comes the Z9R, Z8R, and Z6R!
Yup this pretty much sums up how I felt as well. It's crazy, and catapults Nikon from pretty low in the cinema line to near the top. It makes me wonder what's next? ARRI and Leica maybe or perhaps Fujifilm? It would have to be some one who doesn't have a cinema line already and has a similar passion if that were to happen.
It’s great to see some positive expansion in the industry. I’m a Canon die hard for stills but it will be awesome to see what this new merger will produce.
Makes you wonder if Canon will go for Arri ;)
ARRI has a great profit margin. They dominate the high cost cinema rental business. No way.
Competition is always a good think for the consumer.
Finally competition for RED’ oh wait 😂🎉❤
So we finally have a reason to switch to the RF lens ecosystem!
Didn't think you'd be buying a Nikon did you FOMO ;)
Good report. Thanks for being so open about your affiliate commission. Most other camera review sites never give that information.
This like those romantic comedy movies we used to get around 2008, where the girl and the guy who hate each other and in the process of hating each other they realize they actually love the other person.
Simon do you recall last April Nikon posted a logo with a cine camera logo ? and people were speculating maybe it was a software announcement ? maybe it was foreshadowing.
Yep, foreshadowing that no one picked up on Michael.
other than RED already using the Canon RF mount, another win for Nikon! Really like what they've done the last couple of years, honestly if you're a brand new shooter they're gonna be a tough brand to overlook now
is there a Z to RF adapter? If so new RED cameras can have a Z mount without any issue
@@kevinonono no, the Z mount is actually bigger than the RF mount, and I believe has a shorter flange distance too.
So RF can adapt to Z, but as far as I'm aware, Z mount cannot adapt to any other mount. It can only accept other adapted mounts
@@JuanSanchez-zz3meright. There is no RF to Z however due to clearances with the bayonet however. You can technically do it if you modify the Z mount a bit. Probably not worth it. Z was always designed to adapt other systems very well.
“Have you noticed Nikon’s strategic manoeuvres over the last eight years? In 2016, Nikon acquired Mark Roberts Motion Control (known for its robotic arm and programmed camera control). Now, in 2024, Nikon has announced the acquisition of RED. Imagine combining MRMC’s expertise with RED’s cutting-edge cameras and sensors. And let’s not forget the rapid advancements in Ai (Artificial Intelligence),! Nikon’s recent moves are nothing short of a masterstroke.” 📸🚀
As a Nikon 'hybrid' photographer, thoughts from the Nikon side:
* Can Red switch from the RF to the Z mount?
* How much can Nikon leverage the Red sensor manufacturing?
* Can they release a Nikon Z8R[ed]?
* Can Nikon leverage Red filmmakers in their marketing?
Nikon just jumped into the cinema arena. Nikon glass and Z mount lenses that could see Nikon move into Medium format 🤔
I understand the excitement from Nikon folks, but to me this is about as exciting as waking up to find out that Epson bought Apple or Datsun acquired Tesla
True. The only interesting issue is what will happen to the RAW patent and licensing for the remaining 4,5 years.
They should have announced this on April First.
very informative news Thanks Simon
Thanks for watching John.
Did anyone see this coming?? Fantastic new!
Maybe this how we'll see the Z-H or Z9 H with optimzed /watered down version of Red's global shutter, this is awesome!
2 years ago I sold all my Fuji gear , and I could go to any system , the mind said Sony / Canon , the heart said Nikon , Glad I listened to my heart.
Nikon is Back big time!! Let the games begin...
i wonder is they will support ef/rf mounts lenses? Big fan of canon and sigma lenses.
Something I actually called when they filled the suit... I said they would enter talks and get bought out... Classic!!!
"We want to own you and you'll love it"
Thank you for the update and comments. Interesting times ahead. I believe this will spur Canon into action or they will be left catering for the lower end of each market segment
Red has manuel focus with with servo controlled lens pullers.
The best solution for Nikon is just to buy the company 😂
It solved their legal issues for sure!
Surprise! Surprise! Nikon has done it again. Patton dispute resolved by Nikon buying Red. This is probably why we haven't had any Nikon Z6III or APSC Cameras. 8K Global Shutter is now placing Nikon in the Movie World. Cheers!
Even though Nikon can benefits from an acquisition of RED by expanding it reach into cinema cameras, Canon and RED were never really direct competitors. At least not the way Sony and Canon competes camera for camera.
People that chose RED as a cinema camera don't really consider Canon as a viable option. At least I've never met anybody that has. Although this merger may result in some sharing of parts, I suspect RED will retain its brand and continue to do its own thing
A huge win for consumers. Red will be stronger than ever with the full backing of nikon glass. It should finally allow them to break free of Canon lenses. Z mount red cameras should also be able to mount all of Sony lenses. Fantastic
I'll be honest, this is a huge shock, and it really leaves me thinking that Nikon could have a huge opportunity here, if they take this opportunity with there current line-up of lenses and bring out new cameras with some of this new tech and more, we could see some huge shifts in market share and many people jumping ship to them if the cameras and video cameras come out and perform...
freaking wild, really great for nikon but I really really hope they keep making some red cameras with the rf mount. that was kinda keeping the canon cinema game alive alongside the c70 &r5c in my opinion. i hope i hope
BIG news!!!!
😳😳😳😳
👏👏👏👏👏👏
And think about Nikon struggling financially only few years ago... I wonder what happened with Nikon, maybe some big japanese group (keiretsu) is putting money in Nikon pockets
actually no they just put out some amazing cameras and Lenses that are selling .
Seriously. If you buy anything from RED you pay through the nose for it, so I cannot imagine what the whole company cost Nikon. Where on Earth did they get the money? I used RED gear for the first time in a production about 3 years back and it all struck me as almost mil-spec equipment. It felt more like a grenade launcher than a camera but the images were stellar. A strange and legendary company. I hope Nikon takes good care of it.
@@JohnSmith762A11BNikon has over a 100 years in imaging ! I’m sure they can handle Red ;)
Nikon is old money. They have tons of cash to be buying companies.
@@JohnSmith762A11B They reportedly had a lot of cash on hand. Nikon is a conservative company. They don't throw cash at something unless they know there's a benefit. This makes them a little slow, yes, but they have survived over 100 years under that paradigm. Now, couple their conservative spending with the huge success of the Z9, Z8, Zf, and others, and the quality of their Z line of lenses and it doesn't take long for them to amass the kind of cash necessary to buy Red.
I'm SHOCKED!!!!!! This is Crazy.
Yep! Excellent news my friend. Nikon looks like the platform to beat these days. Nikon has finally answered the Sony FX and Venice camera lines ;)
Rock n roll baby 🤟🏼 good times !
Can Nikon make RF glass now the own RED which has the RF Mount?
They never will do such a thing. Makes way more sense to create a full system of lenses and cameras around the Z mount so they can custom tailor optical designs to their own proprietary electrical components. In particular if they are going to bring AF to some red models.
I was about to leave Nikon, due to their lack in video department. But now I am sticking for longer!!!!!1
What does this mean for the Red RF Mount system?
RED is dead.
I'm so glad that i didn't jump ship in 2020 when I was thinking of it. I was like hold on a a bit, the Z - Mount is only the tip of the iceberg that Nikon is planning to release
Every one is missing the real reason for this deal, the patents. In the world of big business no one pays to license a patent, instead they trade access to each others patents. Right now Sony has the most important patent, that for dual layer photo diodes which increase sensor sensitivity by a full stop and reduces noise. Canon just patented three layer stacked sensors hoping to do a trade, Nikon now has the Red patents, which are arguably more important, for the same reason.
Image a Red sensor and color science in a Z6iii for video! 😮
Is the raptor 35mm?
yes
Maybe they will teach nikon how to make focusing systems??
NAB Show might be very interesting.
Hey Simon, look at that, the high end Nikon cameras suddenly support RF mount 😛
As I mailed you this morning, this is indeed a very impressive move from Nikon !!
It remains to be seen how RED's mighty global shutter sensor can be made cheaper when produced at larger scales .. a Z9ii with such sensor could be awesome, but no one would buy it for over 20k$.
All of a sudden, it makes much less senses for Nikon to release a Zh with the a9iii sensor .. 🤔
Main open questions are whether Nikon will keep using Sony sensors, and whether RED will keep using RF. Time will tell ..
Biggest move for video Nikon has made since those old but sweet Nikon b4 lenses
This is interesting but a $30K to $50K RED V-Raptor isn't for us ordinary filmmakers. Will Nikon start putting out affordable cinema cams to complete with the Canon C70, Sony FX series, or the Blackmagic 6K? Then there's the issue of Red V-Raptors using the RF mount, the result of a separate lawsuit settlement. Will Canon force Nikon to discontinue that mount?
No, but it is very affordable when it comes to production work. Cinema cameras go well into the 100,000s of thousands. This gets them into Hollywood/Netflix above Canon.
Mr Drummond, RED Digital Cinema has cameras at and under $10K that will do everything an “ordinary filmmaker” would need to accomplish their work/goals for making incredible images, why are you creating this $30K-$50K straw man argument for cameras that are obviously meant for the top end/union made/professional market?
RF Mount isn’t going anywhere, but Nikon Mounts will come with more features integrated into new RED Cameras in the future.
These are bad arguments, sorry.
@@TH-cam_can_ESAD Red Cinema Komodo 6K camera: $6K (their only "affordable" model from what I can find). Monitor: $600 to $1800. Cage: $500. Gimbal: $500 to $1000 or more. So, at least $8K to $9K spent, and that's before getting to cine lenses and all the other stuff. If that's "affordable" to you, mazel tov. Add another $4K for the Komodo-X 6K model. And the point about the RF mount was an honest question, not an argument.
Good on Nikon for getting into the cinema game. I still say they should use this purchase to bring out some hybrid-style cameras to compete with the others I mentioned.
Even more reason to steer away from Canon. I sold a RED a while back as I was not using it, moved to Sigma and Panasonic for all my video needs and Nikon for all my photo needs. Maybe I will convert back to new RED stuff soon.
The Red camera uses Canons RF mount. Will they change it to their own mount?
No. They will just add theirs and more feature integration.
This is awesome!!!
More interesting is that the new RED cams will have IBIS and autofocus and a mirrorless mount.
Could be a coup if not mismanaged. We will see. Perhaps a genius move, reaping the benefits of advanced tech while not needing to bear the cost trajectory. So far, until the Z9, Nikon couldn't get out of their own way. There's still hope.
So will Nikon enforce that patent they were fighting against?
😮 this is crazy in a cool way lol I've heard that RED tends to not have the best customer service which is one of the things that made me less eager to look into buying a RED down the line, so I wonder/hope that this might help with that if Nikon can change things for the better 🤔
I’ve always had excellent customer service from RED but I was also one of their first 100 customers.
@@TH-cam_can_ESAD Thats good to hear 🤔 I dont know I know its all anecdotal of course but I just hear how some of the maybe lesser known TH-camrs seem to get treated a bit coldly by customer service, enough that it sort of sounds like a bit of a problem, even more so than other manufacturers. But thats great if they're actually good customer service, I might look into that ecosystem down the line 😬
All I see is that compress raw format coming to a Nikon near you! Lol
They already have it.
As of today, Nikon supports Canon mounts; RF, EF, Cinema primes and Sumire primes.
Head Spinning! RED
Now this is indeed big!
Very!
Doesn't Red Cameras use Canon RF Mount?
EF, RF and PL... but I know what you're hinting at ;)
Nikon got tired of Red Patents on RAW codecs.
“F*** it we’ll just buy you instead”
Overall I’m surprised they bought Red. I assume they are going to push more hybrid camera with some raw capabilities. That should stir up the competition between Sony and Canon.
I just wish Panasonic upgrade thier cinema division too. Their EVA1 needs another update and a their new AF.
Red from the get go supported Canon mounts; RF, EF, Cinema primes and Sumire primes….over Nikon and Sony.
Two things:
- it's weird that RED uses Canon mount 😅. I wonder if Nikon will migrate next RED cameras to Z mount.
- I think Nikon will make licenses agreement about compressed raw with other brands like Sony, Canon, Panasonic, etc. Not closing the patent access but not opening it for free
Nikon should absolutely will migrate to Z mount ! Making glass is there expertise since 1917
I don't think they will change that anytime soon, but yeah, I could see it supporting the Z mount at some point.
Holy Uncanny Photographic Mental Processes Batman!
Canon and Sony , from a corporate view, are the big players in technology and comparatively Nikon is much smaller (4-6 times) than either of them. Look for either Sony or Canon either merge with or acquire Nikon in the next 1-2 years. Just business....
So as part of this transaction, Nikon has a licence to build cameras with an RF mount? 🤔
Maybe they can build an RF variant of the Z9 to cure the BSI sensor deprivation that Canon is putting its own user base through… 😆
A very good question ;)
Sacré revirement Nikon qui n'avait jamais percé ni par son matériel de prise de vue ni par ses optiques dans le marché réduit du matériel professionnel pour le cinema, fait avec cette opération un coup de maitre, que Canon aurait du faire. Attendons de voir la suite car gérer ce créneau n'est pas mince affaire, ARRI et Sony le savent bien, et l'outsider Kinifinity reste en point de mire se contentant pour le moment du marché chinois.
As much as I like Sony I think imma get a Nikon for video now 😂
I wonder if they'll keep the RF mount haha
They have to be careful how they handle this. Maybe keep supporting the RF mount, but introduce the option for the Z mount as well. A lot of cinema camera use EF and RF lenses.
@@OrdinaryFilmmakerI don’t see Nikon keeping a mount system of their longest and biggest rival. My guess is 6-12 months they will discontinue the current lineup
@@JamesJacksonFilmzThis is a hilariously ridiculous statement and will NOT happen, why would Nikon alienate hordes of current RED customers? No, it won’t happen, the RED cameras will continue to use all the specialized camera mounts that make the RED such an incredible modular system. But RED cameras in the future will certainly integrate more of Nikon’s technology using their mounts.
Btw, I was pushing for Jarred to sell to Fujinon Films but their relationship with Sony kind of killed that idea… But I’ve known that RED was streamlining their company to sell for the past 6-7 years, if you were close to the company/their core employees who built the company from scratch, you knew something was on the horizon. I’m just glad that they didn’t sell to one of these black hole private equity firms for max profits.
@@TH-cam_can_ESAD when aputure acquired prolyte they discontinued the Orion series of lights.
It has happened many times in this industry before. But don’t be suprise they will discontinue the RF system. Nikon is not about to help out its longest rival even at the expense of customers.
don't you worry about my old Toyota (AKA Canon), we about to drop some big news of our own.
You have any leaks?
This is huge.
this is dope
HAS ANYONE REALIZE THE 2024 OLYMPICS???? PERFECT TIMING.......NIKON FOR THE GOLD.
Another blow for Canon. Wonder if Red RF mounts will be replaced with Nikon? Canon needs to hire better financial advisors.
Sony and Canon are too ahead, this move will not change much.
and in the future nikon will merge with sony , since most sensor were made by sony 😅 , i mean this seems like a bold/desperate move to gain in competition . . . guess the competition is gonna be neat this year !!
wow, that's crazy, ARRI who...I wonder if a name change is forthcoming
RED is an extremely meaningful brand in Hollywood and in fact across the serious filmmaking industry worldwide. Nikon should not change a thing in that regard. Like ARRI and Panavision RED gets automatic approval for use in any project no matter how big the budget.
I'd keep the name. Call it Nikon Red... Very big indeed.
Nikkor Red Digital Cinema sounds good. With new Z mount Nikkor cinema ecosystem.
@@JohnSmith762A11B Hollywood uses ARRI, not RED.
Not even. Roll Royce has nothing to worry about from Cadillac.
Red don’t make their own sensor. It’s off the shelf most probably Sony
Nikon dropped a Nuclear Bomb on the camera industry with this announcement. They will make their money up in royalty fees from Canon, Sony, Fuji. Nikon has shown they are here to play!!! If I were going to buy in the red price space, I would go with the Sony Burono, 8k, image stabilization and autofocus.
I’m happy for Nikon as it will make for heavy completion in the market and Nikon can now develop their own sensors for both video and stills. I personally think when the lawsuit was over Nikon had already told Red that they were buying them. That deal got done too soon, but I love how they both kept it quiet.
'Dynamic range' isn't what you think it is. It doesn't tell you anything much about 'low light performance', and it's highly unlikely that the RED sensor's DR, normalised in the same way, is any more than the A9 III's DR. I can't see any clear statements from RED about the protocols that their 'DR' claims are based on. The normalisation and limits chosen can make a huge difference to DR figures, and you'd have to know that comparable measurements were being used before declaring that one was better than another. RED sensors are designed by Forza Silicon and fabricated at a foundry, likely ST. Neither is likely to have any special magic sauce that Sony doesn't. Neither is either likely to be able to do better than Nikon's own sensor development team, which is very capable. Also, the sensors that RED uses are unlikely to be proced at a level allowing use in Nikon cameras. That said, there is a lot of obvious synergy between RED and Nikon - just not that.
Annoying.. Paid advertising.. but good news for Nikon users.
30k I’ll take 2 😊
This is sad news. As for RED, the only interesting thing about that company is their destructive, infamous compressed RAW patent. When Nikon managed to get around this, it gave hope to the camera industry. Now that hope is gone.
Now Nikon needs to buy an AF technology company.
The Z9/Z8 with the latest firmware leapfrogs the competition when it comes to AF.
Nikon are making all the right moves right now.
@@ghas4151 yet sports photographers haven’t switched to the Z9. Especially since the Z9 is more than 2 years old. The Z8 almost one year old. If Nikon had leaped frogged Canon & Sony in AF technology, why have not more sports photographers switched? Because when Canon leaped frogged Nikon in AF technology back in the day, sports photographers dumped all their Nikon gear to switch to Canon.
@@bngr_bngr I slammed the brakes on switching to Sony (A1) when the Z9 was announced. At its release, AF still lagged the A1 (and Canon's R3) in terms of AF but with FW upgrades improvement has been steady and noticeable. I haven't compared the Z9 against the A1 and R3 lately but I would bet dollars to donuts its AF is at least as good - at least for what I shoot (motorsports).
@@bfqywqd even after this latest update. The auto focus on the Canon R3 is better than the Nikon Z9. I think at this point Jared Polin has the best take on these two cameras. Maybe RED will help Nikon with this issue.
@@bngr_bngr You may be right. I haven't shot with a Canon since my old A-1 back in the 70'-80's but the AF on my Z9 works superbly well for me and what I shoot (motorsports). Additionally, there is more to a camera system than AF. Much more. And while I can't really speak to the Canon mirrorless bodies, I know the Sonys feel like children's toys in my hands and don't inspire the same feeling of quality that Nikon does. Nikons also appear to be built more ruggedly than Canons. I know 2 colleagues who have dropped their 1DX's and had issues. I dropped my D4, D5, D6 many times ad thy just kept on ticking. Thant's important for a working professional. I also shoot dog agility events and have heard colleagues comment about their cameras having issues focusing under certain conditions. I've encountered the same conditions and have had no issues. With over 750k "actuations" on my Z9, I think I've had a little more experience with it than some dude with a fro. ;-)
Nikon did not buy Red. Red made Nikon buy their business.
It seems nikon sold more Z cameras than we were told!
Actually basically while everyone was laughing at Nikon they were selling cameras and planning the next moves . The old jokes about bad AF and potato 🥔 memes are looking long in the Tooth as talking points .
@@michaelmalodrums9674 i have a z8 and i loved how nikon defended the internal compressed raw recording.
@@michaelmalodrums9674 Nothing has changed except Jarrod cashing out on RED before the basic patent expires in 4,5 years.
Now that’s newsworthy from Nikon while Canon continues to underwhelm.
The Canon R1 and R5 mkII rumors have simply been ho hum yawn news.
I can even hear the excitement in your voice on this news from Nikon.
Why do I keep sinking money into Canon? Give me a reason? 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
Because there's no way you would have guess this came out of the patent suit last year ;)
Still I think Canon did a great job with their C500 (much nicer output compared to RED) and their Canon Cinema lenses are still amazing lenses. Keepers for life.
@OrdinaryFilmmaker The thing is, I have zero interest in cinema, but I see this as Nikon working hard to up their game. I feel like Canon is just slipping more and more. I'm hoping for a lot with the R5 II.
Well Cathy, maybe because hopefully Canon provides you a 200-800 before Nikon can do so 😛
@WernerBirdNature Nah. I've been feeling this way for a long time. I have many friends that shoot Nikon. Maybe if Canon removed the damn AA filter from the sensor. There are many reasons why I'm leaning Nikon now. I would LOVE an equivalent to the Nikkor 600mm PF lens. I've had many Canon cameras and lenses the past 10 years. I should really stop investing so much already. Tough decision for sure.
30,000,00000000000000000000
if only stupid sony was wise enough to do this.
Why would sony buy it they already have a solid cinema line up, unless you think they only make a7iii's :)
@@scb2scb2 for the same price sony gives way less image quality as compared to blackmagic and lumix cameras. Sony is pricy with way less image quality from a price point. Not even raw data that can be changed in post.
Few corporate pairings make less sense than Nikon/Red. I suspect this will be an epic corporate culture nightmare behind the scenes. I also expect we will see an engineering defection from Red which Nikon will not have the talent pool or capacity to replace. Plus Red is a sitting duck now in the cine space. The salespeople must be livid (and shopping around their resumes as I write this). The whole thing has the makings of another OM-Systems mess before the end of the decade. Would be nice to be wrong about this, but having watched a lot of mergers and having led a few, it’s hard to hold onto talent when a big bureaucratic organization attempts to take hold of policy and procedures. We will see.