Contact the V8 Speed & Resto Shop for help on your 5-speed conversion or muscle car restoration at www.v8speedshop.com/contact or call 314.783.8325 today!
Manual gearboxes are a topic in a serious consideration when roads get really icy. I tell you, just having a clutch pedal for instant coasting will save your ass in a really shitty slippery situation. Stomp on the clutch, observe, steer slowly and live. Changes are you didn't even damage your car or anyone else in your way.
OUTSTANDING.I had the option of buying a very slightly used Dodge Challenger SRT with a manual 6 speed. My deceased stepson left it and owed very little. My left knee has permanent damage and 70 years of wear and tear so I passed on the deal. One of his children bought it from his estate. We loaned her the payoff amount. The car still rocks. And looks pretty as all get out.
Thank you! Yes, the team at our V8 Speed & Resto Shop is passionate about the work and takes the time to make sure things are right. We appreciate the compliment!
took a pair borrowed from a hog to tear back into that beauty. cutting and grinding and welding oh my!!!....whew, and you guys had just finished it too...in the end, great job...i was thinking you might steer him to a clutch/automatic, but they were known for brutal upshifts, with no converter to cushion....just curious, did they ever get those bugs worked out of em?...
might want to add a black front spoiler on this car. 60's cars had hundreds of pounds of lift on the hood at highway speeds and a spoiler really helps also pulls air down from the firewall area. huge difference in cooling and high speed stability. and the reason nearly every newer car has some kind of lower air dam.
Gene, from my personal experience it should be that hard. I think the most challenging thing would be to get a pedal kit and driveshaft cut. Other than that, its bolt in. Hope this helps.
Nice work guys, I do have one question. Being that the car is not stock with the tko600, why would you not put a steel bell housing in it? GM make steel ones, aftermarket? Aftermarket would give you much need hand space, plus with the steel you have the added safety knowing the fly wheel isn’t coming up through the floor, plus you keep your feet.... keep up the nice work, nice work is hard to find these days
Since this motor was not building big power, the stock 621 aluminum 4 speed bellhousing was used. The only room need was for the TKO top covers. Tremec has plans to build a end loading design TKO that will provide the needed clearance to fit GM A body.
I bought a Tko 600 around 2012. Back then the company was owned by Hurst.It's now American Powertrain. I was debating between buying a Richmond five speed, but the Richmond was more expensive. I wish I bought the Richmond. For starters the Richmond is made in the U.S. The tremec is made in Mexico.For mellow cruising with easy shifts it was fine, however, I bracket race, so I needed a trans that could handle high rpm shifting. I was missing a lot of third gear shifts and it was getting progressively worse. I contacted the company about it and even though it was a known issue from research I did they denied knowing about it and suggested I wasn't shifting correctly. I've been shifting manuals for thirty years. I had Libertys Gears do upgrades including faceplating,, and a better shifter, since then haven't missed a shift. However, that cost over 2k.
A manual transmission will cost you time, but to have full control is worth it. My choice for the street would be the world class t5 mated to a 5.7 ls engine, n/a, and carbureted . 450hp 400 trq. 10 bolt or ford 8.8 rear with eaton posi and 4:10 gears. This combination has the benefits of low cost, low weight , easy to work on and is as much as a ten inch radial tire can get traction. The least parasitic losses of any combo I can think of. Including weight. I can get two transmissions for the price of one, of pretty much any of the others . Buildup the second one while trying to break the first one. Same as the rear end. I like to run camaro disc brakes front and rear with hydroboost and softish pads. On 17's. If you don't agree, you will need more money and motor just to get even with it by a 100 hp or so . While sacrificing handling losses and butter smooth shifting. To make it worth it to go big takes big bucks. And on the street there is a practical limit most of us should recognize. My combination can be upgraded as time goes by and is affordable for nearly anyone . I think it's the most fun you can have , wringing out and using all that you have and utilizing your machine to its fullest. Every other high horse power big parts combination I've tried is like a punishment on the street. I always feel like it's all being wasted and that I'm stuck being slow all the time and it's frustrating. Unless you actually track the car, why get sucked in to the bigger is better philosophy? It's just the most fun, worry free combination I've ever run. A bit higher rpm cam and heads, and let it sing. For a daily driver Leaner is meaner.
We see those also. We found that the only way to achieve a proper driveline angle with this combination was to mod the tunnel. However, today, there is a new Tremec TKX transmission that fits with far fewer mods.
These are too few views for such an awesome video. Something tells me TH-cam prefers pink haired boys buying teslas than real people driving real cars and having maximum fun and control with a manual transmission.
Thanks for the awesome video. Just curious I did the same install in a 68 El Camino I had to modify the bracket that went from left to right for the front seat bracket that follows the tunnel Contour. Otherwise my drive shaft was too close, to get the right Drive pinion angles. Did you have to modify that structure also thank you
There are various considerations. The 6-speed is a much larger unit than the 5, and they are more expensive to purchase. We've installed both, and it really comes down to if the customer wants the second overdrive gear of a 6-speed. This one did not. Thanks for the question!
Does it really have more torque than a modern 6 speed can handle, it's a rhetorical question don't answer that. No issue with whats being done but a modified double over drive to me would be the better choice IMO. To me if you have enough money for that you have enough money to buy a project 4 speed car though. My cars a manual but I would switch it to a DCT in a heartbeat if wasn't so damn expensive to do so. Would I miss shifting, sure I would, would I love the 10 second bragging rights, just a huge smile.
There are pros and cons for both. 6-speeds are more expensive than 5, and unless you gear the rear as well, you can end up with a highway cruising RPM that is just over idle speed. Sounds good in theory, but cars can lug at that RPM. Also, many people find themselves skipping a gear during daily driving. EX 1-2-4-5-6, etc, just because the gear spread is tight on a 6. If you plan on gearing the whole car, then it's a great option. We've installed many 6-speeds in Muscle Cars.
@@V8TV I was talking to a company that offers shift relocation options so you can put a T5 or T56 in a 69 Chevelle. They said trans tunnel mods at only needed for the 6 speed. Were they mistaken? I really want to convert my 69 to a stick but I cringe at the thought of cutting and welding such a nice original car like mine!
@@V8TV I was talking to a company that offers shift relocation options so you can put a T5 or T56 in a 69 Chevelle. They said trans tunnel mods at only needed for the 6 speed. Were they mistaken? I really want to convert my 69 to a stick but I cringe at the thought of cutting and welding such a nice original car like mine!
@@YZFoFittie I also reserved this a while ago , both companies and forums for Chevelles state that only if you plan to put a 6 speed tremec will need to cut because it's taller but not with the tremec tko 5 speed ,
Wow just wow. Your video here answered all my questions regarding rear differential gearing and 5 speed manual transmissions. At 60 miles per hour the car was about 1750 rpm's, that took so much strian off that engine and acheived the highest gas milage ! Fantastic job by your whole hotrod shop ! I'm saving this video on my desk top for continual rewatching until I'l as knoledgable as possible.
Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about ?but two piece driveshaft with carrier bearing or or a CV joint style driveshaft with carrier bearing. wouldn't that have been much more cost-effective and labor effective? Just curious?
The drive shaft is the least complex of the install, the big part is fitting the 5-speed overdrive manual transmission in the car designed for a smaller transmission.
I know it depends of many variables but what kind of money are we talking to do a conversion from Auto to manual with a Tremec tko 5spd in this 69 Chevelle?
As you stated, there are many variables involved in a swap like this. The condition of the car, type of engine, interior, etc. Best bet is to contact our shop and we can give you an idea. www.v8speedshop.com/contact Thanks!
Tick performance has one person bleeder lines for the hydro clutch throwout bearing in the Tremecs, got one for my 04 GTO and it works great for bleeding or changing the clutch fluid while the trany is in the car. It's long enough to put up in the engine bay and you can bleed the clutch system without going under the car. The line has a speed bleeder and all you do is fill the clutch master and put a cup under the bleed valve and pump the clutch pedal, just keep the master full.
? Never heard of having to change the brake fluid in a clutch MC. Even in a daily driver you'd have to drive like, 100k miles and 7 to 10 years before thinking about it. Interesting.
six speed not always ideal. Check out the ratios and you may realize that shifting 6 gears can make you feel like a semi truck driver over time. You REALLY gotta want to shift. 5 speed more reasonable, IMHO.
True but most six speeds that would be used for a conversion like this would be setup like a 4 speed 1st-4th with a duel OD setup up for 5th and 6th. That true of more 5 speeds as well so forth is typically 1:1. Still you need to research the trans to find out what the factory torque rating is and you may as well confirm the gear ratio info while you are doing that.
Pretty sure the value of that chevelle won't drop.as Far as destroying the body ,nothing sad about a tunnel mod. Bet you would never know the difference plus if your powder blue hybrid prius takes a dump you can always put" granny's" sissy box back in it!!!!!
69 plain malibu. Its not gonna hurt ot a bit. Aint a unrestored survivor or nutn. Or even a real ss so value could even go up considering the quality stuff theyused
We didn't test for top speed on this car, but considering the tire diameter, rear gear, and RPM, a theoretical top speed is near 150, not considering aerodynamics and such. Would be a bit hairy up there unless on a good track!
Hey rudydog, it would probably be best to contact the shop at 314.783.8325 or www.v8speedshop.com to chat about the particulars of your Nova and expectations. There are some options to consider. We'd be happy to go over them with you. Thanks!
Id love to take a 60s Chevy Truck or Ford and make a nice daily driver out of it. LS or Coyote modern engine with a new 5 speed overdrive. Ive had a few old trucks and the 3 speed automatics drive me nuts!! They always feel like they need another gear....and in some cases SEVERAL more gears lol. The last one I had was a 69 Chevy C10 with a 350 turbo and it was screaming at 55mph. Drove me insane
Contact the V8 Speed & Resto Shop for help on your 5-speed conversion or muscle car restoration at www.v8speedshop.com/contact or call 314.783.8325 today!
I put a Doug Nash 5 speed in my 69 Chevelle back in the 1980's, still works great.
What all did you have to modify on the trans tunnel?
what was the
total cost ?
Manuals are wayyyyy more fun than Auto. My mom wants a manual for her next Camaro.
That's actually really awesome.. God bless you mom!
Manual gearboxes are a topic in a serious consideration when roads get really icy. I tell you, just having a clutch pedal for instant coasting will save your ass in a really shitty slippery situation. Stomp on the clutch, observe, steer slowly and live. Changes are you didn't even damage your car or anyone else in your way.
What a cool mom
I'd like to put a 6-speed Tremec in my SUV
A big 10-4 on shift when I say shift not when a computer or some little Governor weights tell it to
Great job guys very clean I like how it turned out tho I'm torn between auto and manual because I like them both
That TKO 600 can handle lots of torque..!! Nice job guys..!! Remember to put insulation over that new transmission tunnel
Thanks Mr. GTO! We covered the whole floor in sound deadener, just didn't see it in the video.
@@V8TV Very good....!!!
What a precise job. So far from the days of improvisations that led to the failure of one component or the other.
OUTSTANDING.I had the option of buying a very slightly used Dodge Challenger SRT with a manual 6 speed. My deceased stepson left it and owed very little. My left knee has permanent damage and 70 years of wear and tear so I passed on the deal. One of his children bought it from his estate. We loaned her the payoff amount. The car still rocks. And looks pretty as all get out.
Cool conversion! I remember this great 69 at MCACN. Way more fun!
WAY more fun!
it is so strange to see people doing everything right. :)
Thank you! Yes, the team at our V8 Speed & Resto Shop is passionate about the work and takes the time to make sure things are right. We appreciate the compliment!
Chevelles Rule.
If you disagree, you're wrong.
The most appealing Muscle car of all.
I like other Muscle cars, but Chevelles, look and feel right.
I agree but I also own a Chevelle. Haha.
Manual vs automatic is like the difference between making music and playing a cd.
Anyone know if you can do this on an oldsmobile with a big block 455?
took a pair borrowed from a hog to tear back into that beauty. cutting and grinding and welding oh my!!!....whew, and you guys had just finished it too...in the end, great job...i was thinking you might steer him to a clutch/automatic, but they were known for brutal upshifts, with no converter to cushion....just curious, did they ever get those bugs worked out of em?...
With transmission is good. I had a stroke Feb 9, 2012. The blood clot blurst. PIA drug helped me. 85 percent of people die. God is good.
might want to add a black front spoiler on this car. 60's cars had hundreds of pounds of lift on the hood at highway speeds and a spoiler really helps also pulls air down from the firewall area. huge difference in cooling and high speed stability. and the reason nearly every newer car has some kind of lower air dam.
O Yea manual all day.
Love the car. Kevin: PLEASE tell me, where did you get the Sport (or Bullet) Mirrors.
Manuals are okay but I'm auto guy! My th400 is setup to where I can manually shift it or it can shift it self. Best of both worlds 😆👍
If your world only needs 3 gears.
When your 55yrs, massive stroke, I would stick but with left leg I bit
Best mod there is for old cars. Period. Today's manuals are fantastic. Plus overdrive gives those big engines a break.
Also gives your waulet a break in the long run. Makes your mpg go up.
Can I ask what rubber boot did you use? I am making my own console and need a smaller boot less then 4" diameter
no blow proof bellhousing??
How difficult is it to put a 454 and 5 spd standard into a 74 Nova that currently has (factory) 6cylinder and 3 spd automatic? Appreciate any help...
Gene, from my personal experience it should be that hard. I think the most challenging thing would be to get a pedal kit and driveshaft cut. Other than that, its bolt in. Hope this helps.
Clean car! Very tidy.
Nice work guys, I do have one question. Being that the car is not stock with the tko600, why would you not put a steel bell housing in it? GM make steel ones, aftermarket? Aftermarket would give you much need hand space, plus with the steel you have the added safety knowing the fly wheel isn’t coming up through the floor, plus you keep your feet.... keep up the nice work, nice work is hard to find these days
Since this motor was not building big power, the stock 621 aluminum 4 speed bellhousing was used. The only room need was for the TKO top covers. Tremec has plans to build a end loading design TKO that will provide the needed clearance to fit GM A body.
I was thinking the same thing , kind of want to keep my feet
If they would spend as much time showing a complete install as they do talking it would a great help for some.
I bought a Tko 600 around 2012. Back then the company was owned by Hurst.It's now American Powertrain. I was debating between buying a Richmond five speed, but the Richmond was more expensive. I wish I bought the Richmond. For starters the Richmond is made in the U.S. The tremec is made in Mexico.For mellow cruising with easy shifts it was fine, however, I bracket race, so I needed a trans that could handle high rpm shifting. I was missing a lot of third gear shifts and it was getting progressively worse. I contacted the company about it and even though it was a known issue from research I did they denied knowing about it and suggested I wasn't shifting correctly. I've been shifting manuals for thirty years. I had Libertys Gears do upgrades including faceplating,, and a better shifter, since then haven't missed a shift. However, that cost over 2k.
A manual transmission will cost you time, but to have full control is worth it.
My choice for the street would be the world class t5 mated to a 5.7 ls engine, n/a, and carbureted . 450hp 400 trq. 10 bolt or ford 8.8 rear with eaton posi and 4:10 gears.
This combination has the benefits of low cost, low weight , easy to work on and is as much as a ten inch radial tire can get traction.
The least parasitic losses of any combo I can think of. Including weight.
I can get two transmissions for the price of one, of pretty much any of the others .
Buildup the second one while trying to break the first one.
Same as the rear end.
I like to run camaro disc brakes front and rear with hydroboost and softish pads.
On 17's.
If you don't agree, you will need more money and motor just to get even with it by a 100 hp or so . While sacrificing handling losses and butter smooth shifting.
To make it worth it to go big takes big bucks.
And on the street there is a practical limit most of us should recognize.
My combination can be upgraded as time goes by and is affordable for nearly anyone .
I think it's the most fun you can have , wringing out and using all that you have and utilizing your machine to its fullest.
Every other high horse power big parts combination I've tried is like a punishment on the street.
I always feel like it's all being wasted and that I'm stuck being slow all the time and it's frustrating.
Unless you actually track the car, why get sucked in to the bigger is better philosophy?
It's just the most fun, worry free combination I've ever run.
A bit higher rpm cam and heads, and let it sing.
For a daily driver Leaner is meaner.
I keep seeing other builds where the trans tunnel didn't need modification, then I see this where it does....what's the deal? Does it have to or not
We see those also. We found that the only way to achieve a proper driveline angle with this combination was to mod the tunnel. However, today, there is a new Tremec TKX transmission that fits with far fewer mods.
@@V8TV good to know,thanks
Really functional build
Automatic transmission all the time 🤛🍻
Outstanding! It seems in this,The TUNNEL is the key,I take it 4000 for A body's? Chevelle, impala a?
These are too few views for such an awesome video. Something tells me TH-cam prefers pink haired boys buying teslas than real people driving real cars and having maximum fun and control with a manual transmission.
Thanks for the awesome video. Just curious I did the same install in a 68 El Camino I had to modify the bracket that went from left to right for the front seat bracket that follows the tunnel Contour. Otherwise my drive shaft was too close, to get the right Drive pinion angles. Did you have to modify that structure also thank you
The TKO 600RR is a much better trans because 5th gear doesn't bog down real bad so you can keep on rippin
Why go through all this trouble and not put in a 6 speed?
There are various considerations. The 6-speed is a much larger unit than the 5, and they are more expensive to purchase. We've installed both, and it really comes down to if the customer wants the second overdrive gear of a 6-speed. This one did not. Thanks for the question!
Nice work!! exactly what i am looking for just hate to cut the tunnel!! Whats the first and second gear ratios?
Manuals impress your friends, automatics win races.
MY POINT EXACTLY ! NICE JOB !
how hard would be to hd350 to tko 5 speed in a plymouth arrow truck 1982
This is a beautiful thing.
Swapped a T-5 into my 72 Grabber Maverick V8. Also a 9" rear with a Detroit locker. Tons of fun. And way faster.
Does it really have more torque than a modern 6 speed can handle, it's a rhetorical question don't answer that. No issue with whats being done but a modified double over drive to me would be the better choice IMO. To me if you have enough money for that you have enough money to buy a project 4 speed car though.
My cars a manual but I would switch it to a DCT in a heartbeat if wasn't so damn expensive to do so. Would I miss shifting, sure I would, would I love the 10 second bragging rights, just a huge smile.
There are pros and cons for both. 6-speeds are more expensive than 5, and unless you gear the rear as well, you can end up with a highway cruising RPM that is just over idle speed. Sounds good in theory, but cars can lug at that RPM. Also, many people find themselves skipping a gear during daily driving. EX 1-2-4-5-6, etc, just because the gear spread is tight on a 6. If you plan on gearing the whole car, then it's a great option. We've installed many 6-speeds in Muscle Cars.
@@V8TV I was talking to a company that offers shift relocation options so you can put a T5 or T56 in a 69 Chevelle. They said trans tunnel mods at only needed for the 6 speed. Were they mistaken? I really want to convert my 69 to a stick but I cringe at the thought of cutting and welding such a nice original car like mine!
@@V8TV I was talking to a company that offers shift relocation options so you can put a T5 or T56 in a 69 Chevelle. They said trans tunnel mods at only needed for the 6 speed. Were they mistaken? I really want to convert my 69 to a stick but I cringe at the thought of cutting and welding such a nice original car like mine!
@@YZFoFittie I also reserved this a while ago , both companies and forums for Chevelles state that only if you plan to put a 6 speed tremec will need to cut because it's taller but not with the tremec tko 5 speed ,
@@mimia3510 my buddy with a 69 GTO tried one but it didn't fit, he sent it back. =(
Wow just wow. Your video here answered all my questions regarding rear differential gearing and 5 speed manual transmissions. At 60 miles per hour the car was about 1750 rpm's, that took so much strian off that engine and acheived the highest gas milage ! Fantastic job by your whole hotrod shop ! I'm saving this video on my desk top for continual rewatching until I'l as knoledgable as possible.
So glad it helped! Thanks for the kind words!
Hello; it’s mach whit SB 307 engine ??
wow all that work just to convert to hydraulic? That guy must really like is classics
I say self driving LMAO no one very few people drive to have fun they drive to get to work.
Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about ?but two piece driveshaft with carrier bearing or or a CV joint style driveshaft with carrier bearing. wouldn't that have been much more cost-effective and labor effective? Just curious?
The drive shaft is the least complex of the install, the big part is fitting the 5-speed overdrive manual transmission in the car designed for a smaller transmission.
WAY more fun!
I know it depends of many variables but what kind of money are we talking to do a conversion from Auto to manual with a Tremec tko 5spd in this 69 Chevelle?
As you stated, there are many variables involved in a swap like this. The condition of the car, type of engine, interior, etc. Best bet is to contact our shop and we can give you an idea. www.v8speedshop.com/contact Thanks!
Ouch! Like #666......like ur shows tho.
Really nice job
Thank you sir!
Awesome installation! Clean!
Thanks! 👍 We appreciate it!
Tick performance has one person bleeder lines for the hydro clutch throwout bearing in the Tremecs, got one for my 04 GTO and it works great for bleeding or changing the clutch fluid while the trany is in the car. It's long enough to put up in the engine bay and you can bleed the clutch system without going under the car. The line has a speed bleeder and all you do is fill the clutch master and put a cup under the bleed valve and pump the clutch pedal, just keep the master full.
? Never heard of having to change the brake fluid in a clutch MC. Even in a daily driver you'd have to drive like, 100k miles and 7 to 10 years before thinking about it. Interesting.
vortexgen1 my buddy has the same tick performance set up in his 02 as Camaro
So approximately what would it cost for Labour and the 5 spd ? Want this for my '68 Firebird.
Labor shouldn't be that bad assuming you have all the parts. It's a day or two of work. Just use a 6 speed though.
Its an extra $1300 from 5spd to 6 spd. Been Priced for approx $3800 for the 5 spd kit, no hydraulic clutch, as I already have a 4 spd
six speed not always ideal. Check out the ratios and you may realize that shifting 6 gears can make you feel like a semi truck driver over time. You REALLY gotta want to shift. 5 speed more reasonable, IMHO.
True but most six speeds that would be used for a conversion like this would be setup like a 4 speed 1st-4th with a duel OD setup up for 5th and 6th. That true of more 5 speeds as well so forth is typically 1:1. Still you need to research the trans to find out what the factory torque rating is and you may as well confirm the gear ratio info while you are doing that.
#stickshiftmafia
What the brand of that steering wheel?
It's a Grant wheel.
I am sorry but destroying this beautiful cars body to install a "kid shifter" is sad. Be interesting what it does to the value of the car.
Dave Barron - I doubt the driver cares. He built the car to drive it, not to sell it.
Pretty sure the value of that chevelle won't drop.as Far as destroying the body ,nothing sad about a tunnel mod. Bet you would never know the difference plus if your powder blue hybrid prius takes a dump you can always put" granny's" sissy box back in it!!!!!
69 plain malibu. Its not gonna hurt ot a bit. Aint a unrestored survivor or nutn. Or even a real ss so value could even go up considering the quality stuff theyused
if you really wanted to put a modern transmission in a Chevelle, you would swap an automatic
how is max. speed ?
We didn't test for top speed on this car, but considering the tire diameter, rear gear, and RPM, a theoretical top speed is near 150, not considering aerodynamics and such. Would be a bit hairy up there unless on a good track!
Great video, but the music in the back ground is WAY too loud. Cant hear the guy talking.
how much would this cost for you guys to install this in a 71 nova?
Hey rudydog, it would probably be best to contact the shop at 314.783.8325 or www.v8speedshop.com to chat about the particulars of your Nova and expectations. There are some options to consider. We'd be happy to go over them with you. Thanks!
Id love to take a 60s Chevy Truck or Ford and make a nice daily driver out of it. LS or Coyote modern engine with a new 5 speed overdrive. Ive had a few old trucks and the 3 speed automatics drive me nuts!! They always feel like they need another gear....and in some cases SEVERAL more gears lol. The last one I had was a 69 Chevy C10 with a 350 turbo and it was screaming at 55mph. Drove me insane