I have a friend who had Polio as a child and he lost the use of his left hand, he rigged up his Guzzi to have the brake and clutch both on the right side, if this had been around 20 years ago I'm sure he would have been first in line for one. Well done Honda, making motorcycles more accessible for more people.
As town riding and stop\start filtering is the biggest bonus for having the E-clutch I'm surprised it wasn't put through its paces more in that regard.
That's exactly it. I do mostly around town riding so I was pondering between honda adv 350 and a svartpilen 401. Bought the svartpilen because I got it for a really good price. If I wanted a bigger bike I'd definitely go with a CB(R) with an e-clutch
Look at it this way, if you want a factory up & down wuickshifter, AND the crisp, direct cable throttle of this particular bike, this is probably the best compromise. Besides, you're not required to use it. If you feel the need to take over at any moment, you only need pull the lever.
@@Microphunktv-jb3kj its not automatic, u still have to change gears. u can just choose now whether or not u wanna pull the clutch nor nah. best of both worlds imo
As a man in my mid 50's, I'm guilty of "Oh, it's not like it used to be" comments, harking after a past when things were better. But your def right that we are in a golden age of choice with motorcycles, new and old manufacturers pushing eachother for new innovation. This type of gearbox will be an option on all bike before long I reckon. Another great review!
Thank you, and I think you’re right, given how cheap they are. I suspect manufacturers would rather supply them on all bikes for ease of manufacturing operations.
@@Bud_51 Best comment I've read, I'm 60 this year and been on bikes since I was 8, and the old bikes unreliable even the early disk brakes were crap, I had rd200 400 RDLC250 350, everyone goes on how great they were, you couldn't stop the way you can on cheaper Chiniese bikes today, still loved them but much prefer new bikes from 2001 onwords👍👍👍
@@Bud_51 I'd agree up to about 1972, the Honda cb750 was far from a piece of junk. The Japanese changed the game. I dont really know much about the American bikes of that era.
Test rode and bought one today! I’ve been having issues with arthritis/pain in the left wrist with my normal ride and the CB650R is so easy. What a fun little bike! Thank you for your informative review.
Initially I thought the eclutch was a solution in search of a problem, but after hearing your thoughts on it I now think, hmm, actually it could be quite nice! Especially at that price. Great for commuting in traffic. Keep up the good work and ignore the trolls!
This seem SO nice in traffic. Stop and go traffic absolutely kills my clutch hand. I also feel super unsafe sitting at red lights in neutral. I LOVE the idea of always being in first ready to go at any moment without having to deal with the clutch. But I like that you still get to shift using your left foot unlike the fully automatic DCT. Seems like the best of both worlds to me!
This system has been around for 70 odd years. Our neighbour in AUS had a 1956 Austin A55, which had a tiptronic clutch. It had a micro switch built into the gear stick knob (column shift) and that operated the clutch so you could just move the stick to the next gear. Good to see bikes catching up 😁
Good idea, you can disable it and go for a old school weekend blast or on a long trip switch it on and not have to worry about the clutch or make life a bit easier stuck in town traffic. For a 100 quid its a no brainer
@@CharloBagis Well looking at the system its a couple of actuators and a few gears so unless there is magic involved I doubt it would cost any more than the hole in your case on the standard one would. If it goes far enough to damage the system it would have done the clutch basket on the stock one and depending how hard it hits that could damage the centre cases. If anything in a light drop its likely to cost the same, a medium drop probably more and a heavy drop probably less. Either way if you drop the bike hard enough to do damage to that system you're going to be looking at a much higher cost for all the other damaged parts on the rest of the bike.
The CB650R has always been my dream bike ever since I first saw it. It’s just got even better with the new styling and that e clutch which is amazing technology. In my mind that is the best middle weight bike out there for sure. Only because I love a inline 4 😂 It’s just a shame that il never be able to afford one as I am a single parent so bills take all my savings! I can dream. Great video Andy.
@@alanbarnes2920 unfortunately not as the money I have left from paying bills equates to £200 a month and that’s got to cover fuel for the car and food costs. Typical as I saved up enough cash to buy one then my wife wanted a divorce so all my savings just went on furnishing and renting a house. Life just has a way of kicking you in the bollocks sometimes. The funny thing is I am on a decent wage but living alone with a child just cropped people financially. Shit happens I guess.
I’m 30 and looking to buy my first bike this year. I passed the MSF course (American beginner rider course) last year and was set to buy the 2023 CB650R a few months later but broke my left wrist which put it on hold. The E-clutch looks awesome to me and I’m very excited to try it out! Just found the channel and really appreciate the perspective you bring
I was wrong..and Im sorry, I previously gave you a bad review and rubbished your reviews as being the opinions of a rich guy...I stand corrected..I have since gone back and watched all your vids..And you are without doubt the most un bias reviewer on youtube..I have re subbed..thanks Mr Flyer..please keep up the good work xxx
I really like that CB650R, reminds me of the 600 bandit I used to own, which is still my favourite. For me there is definitely something about a midweight 4 cylinder engine...I preferred it to the 1200 bandit owned later. Now being the owner of DCT honda I was very keen to see your reveiw of the E clutch and it looks a real winner! If I gave up touring or could afford another bike for scratching about...I think this would be top of my list! Cheers Andy....keep doing what your doing 😊
.....This....This never happens....especially not on the internet. Unprecedented. Someone admitted they were wrong and leaped to an incorrect conclusion and apologized. 😮😮🤯
BMW have announced a similar system but without the lever again with 2 motors to actuate the clutch/ gearchange I really like the idea of no clutch lever which should help those with arthritis etc or like me the lazy The bike itself is rather nice and as you say good value and why wouldn't you have the e clutch
E-clutch looks like an absolute winner for me! That CB looks super in the red too. Keep up the good work TMF! Your reviews are honest and to the point 👍
Good old fashioned down to earth review well Done . Thanks Mr.Honda for letting the bike out to a real world reviewer before the so called professional,s get there hands on it and rubbish the hell out of it .Not saying you’re not a professional however I think you know what I mean and Keep doing what you’re doing Andy as it works . Nice to see a bike that isn’t,t a twin and has that lovely 4 cylinder engine note . Looks to be a great bike and at a reasonable price for a change .
I think this e clutch is a great idea and got to give a thumbs up to Honda for the innovation. If this helps more people ride or keeps people riding longer then it’s a great bonus.
Another cracking review! Super useful practical real-world info on the bike itself and the great new tech. I should imagine this will be a popular bike.
Lovely little bike, hard to complain about any of it really. Good price, looks good, good tech. People will always moan about change but this seems a real trick piece of kit and very convenient. Great that they’re offering it for about £100 aswell, really tempting for buyers. Well done Honda and cheers for the review TMF 👍
Yeah we got to try the CBR with the E Clutch and it was neat. For someone mainly driving in quite heavy trafic with lots of stop and go it would be good. Nice review.
I must say I personally don't give a crap if you're rich or poor 😜, all I know is that this is probably one of the best reviews of the Honda cb650r I've seen. I'm very glad to hear that the bike fits you perfectly, because I'm almost the exact same size and weight is you, I'm 163 lbs and 5 ft 7 1/2. It sounds like you're very impressed with the e-clutch system so would you say it's worth waiting for rather than buying a used bike? Unfortunately here in Canada we did not get the 2024 models yet the dealer said they're going to be coming in at the end of the summer or around November and be a 2025 model.
@@TheMissendenFlyerI was going to say this! I’m currently in the process of doing my full licence on a 23 plate CB650R and I very much doubt the training school will be getting e-clutch bikes next year. You should learn to do it properly before having it done for you. Saying that gives me flashbacks of trying to learn multiplication tables at school when it’s so much easier to use a calculator 😂
i agree it would, as IMHO building confidence is quite high up the list for newbies, however, i think you still need to learn the proper 'old school' way, as you may need to change bikes, and maybe there will be test & licence implications in future, coz as they improve may be classed as automatics, who knows the way government legislation on bikes has gone, apart from that using the clutch becomes 2nd nature anyway, and IMHO gives you that feeling of more control. GL
Interesting, as always, Andy. I guess the only way to fully appreciate this new system is to actually ride these bikes for oneself. I have heard that Honda won't be offering bikes solely with a conventional set up anymore and all new stock will only have this E-Clutch. Not a problem if it's possible to use both on the fly as you've demonstrated. This is extremely clever. Honda have always had an affinity with gearbox innovation on their bikes. From the centrifugal system on their Cubs to the CB400AT of the late 70s. Now with the DCT set up on some of their current models, it implies such transmissions will be part of their philosophy for the foreseeable future. As you say, this is a golden period for motorcycles.
Thats why we love missenden flyer he is a average joe. Which means most people can relate to him and share his views when it comes to what they want from a motorbike. But not only that he has solid knowledge, he is not boring, he loves bikes, he is passionate and he knows how to make a good video. Many people for example love Jeremy clarkson not because he is micheal Schumacher but because he is entertaining
Every time I watch one of your ride reviews, I find myself ruminating upon the possibilities of that bike in my garage. I just wish all bikes had cruse control.
I've just ordered a cbr650r e clutch after taking a demo bike out for an hour, what a fantastic system, you have to force yourself not to operate the lever at first but once you get used to it it's fantastic, smoother on the upshift than the standard Honda quick shifter (my previous bike was a 2023 cb650r) and the down shifts are slick too but with no rev matching which is a bit strange. The slow speed stuff is easy street but you do often think about going for the clutch lever which of course you can if you want. All together a great system which makes a great bike even better.
@@NickyLong89 Read my comment again. I never said it was complicated. I said it was a “needless complication”. in other words, they added extra parts and electronics for what seems to be little gain. Plus, if something goes wrong with said extra parts and electronics - a common occurrence with first gen tech - there’s added expense and inconvenience .
I find that the e-clutch mechanism is a not a piece of industrial design I find attractive. It looks bulky and clunky. It is certainly function over form for me! Engine aesthetics are part of the attraction of motorcycles for many I feel!
As someone who regularly rides a “normal” transmission bike and a Honda Supercub C110 with its peculiar centrifugal clutch system I can honestly say swapping between the two becomes second nature very quickly.
This, to me, is what good automation looks like. Completely seamless & invisible in operation, but also entirely intuitive to override. Plus it has basically no drawbacks. Unlike your typical up & down QS, which _has_ to be implemented using ride by wire. This bike still gives you pure riding. That must be preserved.
Thank-you for another great review and appreciated you didn’t imagine up negatives when there’s no need! I don’t see a problem with a gushing review when’s it’s legit and I always value your reviews! How about that, a gushing comment of your reviews.
Watching since tiger 1050 days, gets the odd detail 😮opps , but then he’s not just giving us the press release details, a honest guy that just loves all things motorcycles and touring, stay safe mr & mrs flyer , thanks for years of entertainment 🍀
It's a great idea. But that box is absolutely massive. Most people say its smallish but when you did a walk around you can see just how much it protrudes
Had the chance to test ride this Honda and wow the e-clutch is a smooth experience during acceleration. Dash is sweet, only thing missing would be cruise control. Some design changes are not really my cuppa tea, the old rear light and air intakes looked better. I will be considering this model after the next few facelifts.
same here ;) In 10 days we will be together for one month :D I did try to turn off e-clutch last weekend and I have to say.... I don't want to drive ever again without e-clutch
Great review of the CB650….and the exhaust system is fabulous. Clearly harks back to the CB400/4 from my teens and I still want one. Anyway, the e-clutch looks a great innovation again by Honda! Whether I would use it, I don’t know….as you say, trying to retrain your brain to cope is tricky and if you ride different bikes confusing? However, if you’re looking at bikes in this segment and go for the Honda it must be worth opting for e-clutch at £100…..especially now, as I can’t see them staying at that price! Incredibly, Honda are producing mid-range bikes which are competitive and still come with typical Honda build quality.
Great review as always. Looks like a cracking little bike, love the fact that it’s not over complicated with rider modes, suspension settings, etc. an absolute bargain I’d say!
Beautifull swept downpipes, highly reminiscent of the CB400F of the 70's. That particular styling innovation made that pocket rocket such an attractive bike and was the first of it's kind from Honda. Paired back yet flamboyant.
Hello Sir. You made it back safely from your E-clutch ride review and apparently the E clutch works well. Thanks again. I think I would use the E Clutch.......Sal : )
I picked up my CBR650R 3 weeks ago and after around 350 miles I've already got used to not using the clutch lever. For slow speed manoeuvres it is handy having a clutch lever so you don't accidentally grab a handful of throttle but the clutch lever bites very far out and this is apparently because of the E-clutch system. That is the only negative thing I have to say about the system. You can turn it off in the menu but it defaults to on every time you start the bike so you'd have to turn it off each time if you don't want it.
I guess I'm showing my age in being circumspect about quickshifters and the hoopla (at least it seems like hoopla) surrounding them. I still like the idea of staying with the manual controls but this seems like a better system at a lower price, so, why not. Thanks for the introduction, Andy.
Great review Andy as always great looking bike. Definitely better than a normal quick shifter and less complicated than the dct. Cheaper to service than a dct it’s a winner in my humble opinion.
I have both motorcycles and scooters in my garage. The thing I really like about the scooters is that I don’t need to think about gear selection. I know for new riders the operation of a clutch may be a barrier to entry. For me however, the clutch is just muscle memory at this point. I am sure this will make motorcycling more accessible to some folks, and that is plus even if it isn’t for me.
Hey Andy. Great video. I absolutely love Honda, I own 2. I also love the Kawasaki Z 900 rs that you have. That styling brings such a smile to my face. If Honda would make that style bike again with the E clutch or the DCT. That would be AMAZING.
Keep up the good work Andy, great review and very comprehensive information about the new e clutch (much more info than Hondas promo vid 😂). Ignore the trolls who are clearly looking to upset you with their insults. Rise above negativity like that, personally I think you are one of the top content creators on TH-cam. All your vids are down to earth and unbiased and are of the highest quality.
First the bike...looks great....sounds great. I do like a mid sized 4 cylinder bike. It reminds me of mt 600 bandit i used to own, which I preferred riding to the 1200 bandit I had later. If I gave up touring or found I could afford a second bike, the CB650R would be pretty much at the top of the list. The e -clutch looks good. I ride an NC750X with DCT and I love it. I did look to add a gear shift lever to use instead of the paddles, but they stopped making them fornthe '21' year models onwards. So it woukd have worked very similar to the e clutch. Great review Andy....keep doing what your doing!
Thanks for the review. Glad Honda still makes a 4 Cylinder Inline engine in the middle weight class. I saw the bike today at the dealer, one negative though, the E-Clutch makes the engine quite wide at the right side. Without protection you will surely damage the E-Clutch when you drop the bike to the right (as opposite to left 🙂) side.
Superb machine, beautiful to look at, erm beautiful to ride, superb review as always Andy, because this bike offers enough to warrant the very reasonable price tag, I would definitely put it in my wish list, erm near the Top! 😂
Hi Andy .....what are honda like they must have all the skilled bike guys as they always come up with new ideas...woo hoo to them they are brilliant....
BMW are reportedly developing an auto clutch for the R1300GS. Basically a quickshifter that automatically changes gear for you, and stops it from stalling, so like the DCT without the second clutch, just the quickshifter to hide the gear changes as much as possible
Saab back in the 1990's had the Sensonic system available on the 900. Slightly different to the Honda system in that it didn't have a clutch pedal. I loved mine, you just eased off the throttle and selected the gear you wanted. Was a little tricky finding the bite revs when parking.
Last week i was lucky to test the 2024 model also. Down 6k the motor is supersmooth but between 6k and 8k a lot of buzz in the footpegs and seat. Back on my 2008 honda cb600f hornet is at that range lot smoother. Rrst of the bike was wonderfull.
It seems like a good option to have for the price and type of bike it's on. I'm not the target audience for this technology, but I can appreciate its existence for those who need/want it.
Ooooh! Finally the E-Clutch review is here. Very tempted to swap my 2022 Monkey Bike and 2023 CL500 Scrambler for this, in green! (Although I preferred the Headlight on last year's Honda CB650r Neo Sports Cafe. (round vs this year's horse shoe look, although it has started to grow on me) Another lovely review. Cheers Andy.
A very good review Mr Flyer. Whilst the tech seems to work really well I do wonder sometimes about the implementations of such things on motorcycles. Personally I wish modern bikes had a analogue button which allowed you to just turn the key, skipping the multitude of checks and rider mode selections and just ride!
I'm excited for these on the lower cc bikes. I'd eat up a 300cc with one of these in an instant. Makes it easy for slow speeds and city day to day travel. With the exception on EV application this is the best ease of use tech I've seen.
Hopefully picking up my non-eclutch green cb650r next week, great video! Would love to try the eclutch but really didn’t fancy it when I put my deposit down on the manual version
@@TheMissendenFlyer it’s all down to personal preference, I didn’t like the way it looked either. You’re right for an extra £100 it’s great. I question its use for helping new riders learn decent clutch control though
Definite step in the right direction for safer, more relaxed riding. Anyone more interested in hooning-around... not so much. I'd be extremely happy to see that on my next bike.
So excited to see you riding literally my dream bike, unfortunately I can't get a license (car or bike) at the moment because of my eyesight but I would love to have that bike or even just get the chance to be a pillion. 🏍
I’m so sorry to hear of your eyesight issues, we don’t realise how lucky we are with our health until we lose it. Thanks for watching and for stopping by.
@@TheMissendenFlyer I'm 19 in a couple weeks, been wearing glasses all my life. My eyesight is pretty good but not up to the standard needed for starting lessons, etc. I was literally 1 line away on the letter board at the opticians. glad I can experience it on TH-cam tho :)
Hi Andy, I think it’s a great system. I don’t like using the clutch a lot at some days because my hand is hurting after a while. When you get older you usually develop arthritis and that makes things more difficult.
This is great! I was interested in the Cub125 and Dax for the centrifugal clutch but they apparently need a bit more maintenance. Same goes for scooters with their variators. But this is great! I hope it will catch on and soon be found on many bikes. Riding a motorcycle in the traffic is no fun because of the clutch and how much it strains my hand.
The very humble, Jawa 350 (two-stroke) has had a set up like this for decades. You need only use the clutch for engaging and setting off in first gear and after that just use the auto . As with the Honda, you can elect to use the manual clutch lever if you wish. Unlike the Honda, you couldn't come to a stop in gear. But for all the riding in between it worked really well on the machine I had.
Yes. The Czech bikes had a rod with a little wheel in a curved channel. When the gear lever was moved it pushed the rod to open the clutch so only useful for changing gear. On most of them you could also kick the gear lever to start the engine!
@@TheMissendenFlyer You could use the Jawa setup to engage 1st gear but it wasn't easy to do, and more often than not it would stall when you tried to move off.
@@aunoates6617 yes, mine had the same kickstart arrangement too, though it also came with electric start which was rather more convenient, but it was a very elegant and dependable set up.
this as far as I understand is just a bolted on actuator on the clutch-system, basically, rather than mechanical gadgeting. surprised they didn't call it AI-cluth as is the fashion with microcontroller controlled things nowadays.
Great review Andy, love the e-clutch. Have to say Honda always bring something new, I wonder if any other manufacturer will follow. I do like this idea, also like the bike Alot 😁
It's not really new - the Yamaha FJR1300AS had clutch-lever-less up and down shifting back in 2006 or so. You have to give Honda credit for trying though: centrifugal clutch in the Cub, CVT in the scooters, DCT in the bigger bikes and don't forget the fluid-thingy in the DN-01!
Good one, Andy! I do like the E-clutch concept, generally, and it doesn't seem to add much weight. It does, however, look a bit bulbous. I prefer the DCT concept even if it adds more weight, and I do believe that the two concepts will marry a bit over time and get more slender and useful for all and everyone. Also: I do not agree with everything that you say or show, and I will tell (and have done so), but I like what you do, and I can separate what you say and do from who you are, and if I have any objections at least I do so with my own account and won't hide behind a "no-name account".
As always very useful review, keep them coming. I use your videos to get an early impression for potential next bikes. This reminds me of the old CB400F from the 70's due to the 4-1 headers, although the old one wins on styling probably due to nostalgia. The new naked bikes look too "Transformers" to me and the passenger accommodations are mostly an afterthought. The fit and finish is quite upscale, specially that engine painting/finishing. However, the side cases look quite vulnerable even in on mild lateral drop. Exhaust and sound well done and all tucked underneath. The e-clutch reminds me of the semi-automatic gearboxes of the 60-70's, now thinking on a VW Beetle. Would I buy an e clutch bike? Not know, but likely in the future. By definition I'm not an early adopter of new tech. This is the first iteration, a bit chunky in size and mostly an addition to the traditional setup. Let's wait to see how it stands against use and abuse. In time, it would be better integrated and designed from the onset as such. But definitely worth keeping them on the radar given the low price, and low weight penalty.
I love how saab was waay ahead on this one. They had the sensonic gearboxes in cars in the 90's, the concept was similar, but you didn't have a clutch pedal. But I am glad that didn't sell because it didn't work right, needed a little more time in the oven, maybe due to a lack of enough computing power as well, and in that department we are in a much MUCH better place now.
Yours are consistently the best reviews on you tube. Yes neevsey bvg fagan booth can fully exploit the bikes but they are a different level to me. Your explanations are informative and interesting - the test of a reviewer is do you watch reviews on bikes you are not interested in. I watch nearly all of yours even the GS! Please can we have another biker scran love those.
Wow that’s a lovely comment to read thank you Oliver. I very much appreciate that. You’ll be glad to hear there’s another Biker Scran scheduled for next Saturday, stay tuned!
Definitely like the look of this bike and the new E-Clutch system. Like you, it would be a no brainer for me to spend the extra 100 quid for the E-Clutch. One of the big positives from my side is not having to pull the clutch in at a stop. When I’m stopped, I always shift into neutral, but the big advantage will be stop/start in a traffic queue and not having to worry about the clutch and shifting 1-N-1-N etc. Personally, I’m not too keen on the small TFT and would prefer to see two gauges with a small TFT for navigation guidance. I love Honda four cylinder engines and I think they are bulletproof. Similar to your comment, I’d like to see E-Clutch on all manual shift bikes and the rider can choose manual or E-Clutch operation. Congratulations on the successful shoulder operation and hope it continues to get better. Cheers.
After commuting by motorbike for 20-somw years, the best commuters I've had were a NC700x DCT and a Vespa. The automatic gearbox shines for commuting. My current MT09's up/down quickshifter comes a close third for ease of commute. I wish more bike makers would offer these.
I like the idea of having either clutch option. With old man hands there are days I have limited use and this would give me a couple more years of riding.
I have a friend who had Polio as a child and he lost the use of his left hand, he rigged up his Guzzi to have the brake and clutch both on the right side, if this had been around 20 years ago I'm sure he would have been first in line for one. Well done Honda, making motorcycles more accessible for more people.
Honda did have the cb400A in the 1970's they were always trying to offer automatic bikes when none of the others bothered
It's a system that may benefit me in a few years if the arthritis spreads throughout my fingers. Great work Honda!
Polio has been cured for 100 years now, what are you talking about?
@@RyGuyTheAVGuy rubbish.....
@@RyGuyTheAVGuy This is New Zealand and my friend is now in his late 70's, so perhaps not as 'cured 100 years ago' as you think.
The e clutch has got to be a bonus for around town riding not having to worry about using the clutch in traffic must be a plus
True!
As town riding and stop\start filtering is the biggest bonus for having the E-clutch I'm surprised it wasn't put through its paces more in that regard.
That's exactly it. I do mostly around town riding so I was pondering between honda adv 350 and a svartpilen 401. Bought the svartpilen because I got it for a really good price. If I wanted a bigger bike I'd definitely go with a CB(R) with an e-clutch
That's interesting. It's not something that appeals to me personally but we have to give Honda props for innovating and giving riders options.
Look at it this way, if you want a factory up & down wuickshifter, AND the crisp, direct cable throttle of this particular bike, this is probably the best compromise.
Besides, you're not required to use it. If you feel the need to take over at any moment, you only need pull the lever.
... entire point of riding a bike dispears if u have automatic lol ;S
pff
soon they want 0dB bikes lol...
@@Microphunktv-jb3kj I like to have the option. I very strongly dislike people who take away options. Mine or other people's.
@@Microphunktv-jb3kj its not automatic, u still have to change gears. u can just choose now whether or not u wanna pull the clutch nor nah. best of both worlds imo
As a man in my mid 50's, I'm guilty of "Oh, it's not like it used to be" comments, harking after a past when things were better. But your def right that we are in a golden age of choice with motorcycles, new and old manufacturers pushing eachother for new innovation. This type of gearbox will be an option on all bike before long I reckon. Another great review!
Thank you, and I think you’re right, given how cheap they are. I suspect manufacturers would rather supply them on all bikes for ease of manufacturing operations.
I'm 72 and in the good old days bikes were junk compared to today's.
@@Bud_51 They sure were.
@@Bud_51 Best comment I've read, I'm 60 this year and been on bikes since I was 8, and the old bikes unreliable even the early disk brakes were crap, I had rd200 400 RDLC250 350, everyone goes on how great they were, you couldn't stop the way you can on cheaper Chiniese bikes today, still loved them but much prefer new bikes from 2001 onwords👍👍👍
@@Bud_51 I'd agree up to about 1972, the Honda cb750 was far from a piece of junk. The Japanese changed the game. I dont really know much about the American bikes of that era.
E Clutch is a brilliant idea, well done Honda i can't wait to try it out 1 day.
I think we are going to be seeing a lot more of it Stevie - it seems a great system to me!
Test rode and bought one today! I’ve been having issues with arthritis/pain in the left wrist with my normal ride and the CB650R is so easy. What a fun little bike! Thank you for your informative review.
Congratulations!
Initially I thought the eclutch was a solution in search of a problem, but after hearing your thoughts on it I now think, hmm, actually it could be quite nice! Especially at that price. Great for commuting in traffic. Keep up the good work and ignore the trolls!
Thank you and will do…
This seem SO nice in traffic. Stop and go traffic absolutely kills my clutch hand. I also feel super unsafe sitting at red lights in neutral. I LOVE the idea of always being in first ready to go at any moment without having to deal with the clutch. But I like that you still get to shift using your left foot unlike the fully automatic DCT. Seems like the best of both worlds to me!
This system has been around for 70 odd years. Our neighbour in AUS had a 1956 Austin A55, which had a tiptronic clutch. It had a micro switch built into the gear stick knob (column shift) and that operated the clutch so you could just move the stick to the next gear. Good to see bikes catching up 😁
well there's a bit more to it when it engages clutch at stop to keep the engine from stalling.
Good idea, you can disable it and go for a old school weekend blast or on a long trip switch it on and not have to worry about the clutch or make life a bit easier stuck in town traffic. For a 100 quid its a no brainer
Exactly…
The question is, should you drop the bike, how much does a replacement cost?
@@CharloBagis u shouldn't buy things if u worry about crashing doesn't matter what u destroy on your bikes or car. :p
@@CharloBagis Well looking at the system its a couple of actuators and a few gears so unless there is magic involved I doubt it would cost any more than the hole in your case on the standard one would. If it goes far enough to damage the system it would have done the clutch basket on the stock one and depending how hard it hits that could damage the centre cases. If anything in a light drop its likely to cost the same, a medium drop probably more and a heavy drop probably less.
Either way if you drop the bike hard enough to do damage to that system you're going to be looking at a much higher cost for all the other damaged parts on the rest of the bike.
It’s not a £100 difference. Dealers are selling the manuals closer to £7k
Outstanding review Missenden, as a fellow street rider (40 years), I appreciate your opinions. Cheers from the USA.
Thank you kindly!
The CB650R has always been my dream bike ever since I first saw it.
It’s just got even better with the new styling and that e clutch which is amazing technology.
In my mind that is the best middle weight bike out there for sure. Only because I love a inline 4 😂
It’s just a shame that il never be able to afford one as I am a single parent so bills take all my savings! I can dream. Great video Andy.
Yes, it is a lovely bike Dan - thanks for watching.
That’s a shame Dan..is a PCP package not possible for you? Fully understand buying outright isn’t achievable.
@@alanbarnes2920 unfortunately not as the money I have left from paying bills equates to £200 a month and that’s got to cover fuel for the car and food costs.
Typical as I saved up enough cash to buy one then my wife wanted a divorce so all my savings just went on furnishing and renting a house. Life just has a way of kicking you in the bollocks sometimes.
The funny thing is I am on a decent wage but living alone with a child just cropped people financially. Shit happens I guess.
@@Dan_B_Rides you'll turn this around don't worry. Life has a way of working out in time.
@@ghettoboi27 unfortunately life isn’t that kind nowadays. You either have money or not. And I do not. Is what it is. I just have to accept it.
Andy, thanks for another brilliant review. The rest of us average Joe's watch your videos with great interest.
Thanks 👍
I’m 30 and looking to buy my first bike this year. I passed the MSF course (American beginner rider course) last year and was set to buy the 2023 CB650R a few months later but broke my left wrist which put it on hold. The E-clutch looks awesome to me and I’m very excited to try it out! Just found the channel and really appreciate the perspective you bring
Welcome along!
Looks like the future to me. Interesting that Honda chose this bike to launch it on but i think they'll roll it out across the range.
My pausing skills are impressive. Thank you for your videos, I have been watching them for years.
Congratulations!
Wish all bikes had a e-clutch 😁
Really does seem like the modern manual box, perfected
Just started driving school... then I will order this piece of art
I was wrong..and Im sorry, I previously gave you a bad review and rubbished your reviews as being the opinions of a rich guy...I stand corrected..I have since gone back and watched all your vids..And you are without doubt the most un bias reviewer on youtube..I have re subbed..thanks Mr Flyer..please keep up the good work xxx
I’m thrilled to hear that, welcome back!
I really like that CB650R, reminds me of the 600 bandit I used to own, which is still my favourite. For me there is definitely something about a midweight 4 cylinder engine...I preferred it to the 1200 bandit owned later. Now being the owner of DCT honda I was very keen to see your reveiw of the E clutch and it looks a real winner! If I gave up touring or could afford another bike for scratching about...I think this would be top of my list! Cheers Andy....keep doing what your doing 😊
.....This....This never happens....especially not on the internet. Unprecedented. Someone admitted they were wrong and leaped to an incorrect conclusion and apologized. 😮😮🤯
BMW have announced a similar system but without the lever again with 2 motors to actuate the clutch/ gearchange I really like the idea of no clutch lever which should help those with arthritis etc or like me the lazy
The bike itself is rather nice and as you say good value and why wouldn't you have the e clutch
Wait…..?? TMF isn’t rich? 😂
E-clutch looks like an absolute winner for me! That CB looks super in the red too. Keep up the good work TMF! Your reviews are honest and to the point 👍
Thanks, will do!
Good old fashioned down to earth review well Done . Thanks Mr.Honda for letting the bike out to a real world reviewer before the so called professional,s get there hands on it and rubbish the hell out of it .Not saying you’re not a professional however I think you know what I mean and Keep doing what you’re doing Andy as it works . Nice to see a bike that isn’t,t a twin and has that lovely 4 cylinder engine note . Looks to be a great bike and at a reasonable price for a change .
Thanks!
I think this e clutch is a great idea and got to give a thumbs up to Honda for the innovation. If this helps more people ride or keeps people riding longer then it’s a great bonus.
Another cracking review! Super useful practical real-world info on the bike itself and the great new tech. I should imagine this will be a popular bike.
Lovely little bike, hard to complain about any of it really. Good price, looks good, good tech. People will always moan about change but this seems a real trick piece of kit and very convenient. Great that they’re offering it for about £100 aswell, really tempting for buyers. Well done Honda and cheers for the review TMF 👍
Yeah we got to try the CBR with the E Clutch and it was neat. For someone mainly driving in quite heavy trafic with lots of stop and go it would be good. Nice review.
Bike is not for going through traffic. It's not a transport. It's fun machine. E clutch is crap.
@@MerlinMoorlo Where I live, I have to. ANd no, it was fun for me.
I must say I personally don't give a crap if you're rich or poor 😜, all I know is that this is probably one of the best reviews of the Honda cb650r I've seen.
I'm very glad to hear that the bike fits you perfectly, because I'm almost the exact same size and weight is you, I'm 163 lbs and 5 ft 7 1/2.
It sounds like you're very impressed with the e-clutch system so would you say it's worth waiting for rather than buying a used bike?
Unfortunately here in Canada we did not get the 2024 models yet the dealer said they're going to be coming in at the end of the summer or around November and be a 2025 model.
As a noob, my clutch control has needed improvement on a couple of occasions. The eclutch would defo help new riders 👏🏽
True, although of course there is an argument to say it prevents new riders from building their skill set, and I’m not sure what I think about that.
@@TheMissendenFlyerI was going to say this! I’m currently in the process of doing my full licence on a 23 plate CB650R and I very much doubt the training school will be getting e-clutch bikes next year. You should learn to do it properly before having it done for you.
Saying that gives me flashbacks of trying to learn multiplication tables at school when it’s so much easier to use a calculator 😂
i agree it would, as IMHO building confidence is quite high up the list for newbies, however, i think you still need to learn the proper 'old school' way, as you may need to change bikes, and maybe there will be test & licence implications in future, coz as they improve may be classed as automatics, who knows the way government legislation on bikes has gone, apart from that using the clutch becomes 2nd nature anyway, and IMHO gives you that feeling of more control. GL
Interesting, as always, Andy. I guess the only way to fully appreciate this new system is to actually ride these bikes for oneself. I have heard that Honda won't be offering bikes solely with a conventional set up anymore and all new stock will only have this E-Clutch. Not a problem if it's possible to use both on the fly as you've demonstrated. This is extremely clever.
Honda have always had an affinity with gearbox innovation on their bikes. From the centrifugal system on their Cubs to the CB400AT of the late 70s. Now with the DCT set up on some of their current models, it implies such transmissions will be part of their philosophy for the foreseeable future.
As you say, this is a golden period for motorcycles.
Thats why we love missenden flyer he is a average joe. Which means most people can relate to him and share his views when it comes to what they want from a motorbike. But not only that he has solid knowledge, he is not boring, he loves bikes, he is passionate and he knows how to make a good video.
Many people for example love Jeremy clarkson not because he is micheal Schumacher but because he is entertaining
Thanks for the review this bike one of my favorites, thought the e-clutch was a gimmick but after yr review I think its a pretty neat idea!
Every time I watch one of your ride reviews, I find myself ruminating upon the possibilities of that bike in my garage.
I just wish all bikes had cruse control.
I agree.
I've just ordered a cbr650r e clutch after taking a demo bike out for an hour, what a fantastic system, you have to force yourself not to operate the lever at first but once you get used to it it's fantastic, smoother on the upshift than the standard Honda quick shifter (my previous bike was a 2023 cb650r) and the down shifts are slick too but with no rev matching which is a bit strange. The slow speed stuff is easy street but you do often think about going for the clutch lever which of course you can if you want. All together a great system which makes a great bike even better.
Couldn't agree more!
I say, keep motorcycles gimmick free, simple and fun to ride, just more to go wrong with no doubt higher service costs.
Agreed. I’m fine with fuel injection and ABS brakes. No need to go all crazy
@@johnnybravo7733 and a fuel gauge 😁
Good review TMF and nice to see new innovations coming out on bikes.
Agreed!
It makes it look like that side of the bike has a growth.
same thoughts first time i saw it...will be buying the 2023 model aside from the fact its more expensive than the older versions
Yes, it’s a little chunky, but it wouldn’t put me off the system, it’s not that conspicuous.
@@TheMissendenFlyer even beyond the looks, i just don't see the point. It's a needless complication to me.
@@808islandlife_HIhow is it complicated? If anything it is anything but complicated.
@@NickyLong89 Read my comment again. I never said it was complicated. I said it was a “needless complication”. in other words, they added extra parts and electronics for what seems to be little gain. Plus, if something goes wrong with said extra parts and electronics - a common occurrence with first gen tech - there’s added expense and inconvenience .
Thanks for doing this review, TMF . I have actually never heard of the E Clutch option.
No problem 👍
Honda had auto transmission as early as the 70s. I remember a 350 and 500 version or maybe a 250.?
400, I think, on the SuperDream. But it was their odd 2 speed system.
Great review Andy, I like watching your videos around my neck of the woods 👍🏼
Glad you like them!
I find that the e-clutch mechanism is a not a piece of industrial design I find attractive. It looks bulky and clunky. It is certainly function over form for me! Engine aesthetics are part of the attraction of motorcycles for many I feel!
I agree, ugly bolt on box to my eyes.
I didn’t find it too bad, but I take your point, thanks for watching.
As someone who regularly rides a “normal” transmission bike and a Honda Supercub C110 with its peculiar centrifugal clutch system I can honestly say swapping between the two becomes second nature very quickly.
BMW are bringing auto clutch to the R1300GS...
Buy a full black and custom mirrors and maybe something on the rims it will look badass and u won't notice that box so much ;)
This, to me, is what good automation looks like. Completely seamless & invisible in operation, but also entirely intuitive to override. Plus it has basically no drawbacks. Unlike your typical up & down QS, which _has_ to be implemented using ride by wire.
This bike still gives you pure riding. That must be preserved.
This bike needs round speedometer
How good is that! E clutch, wonderful. Lovely bike.
Thank-you for another great review and appreciated you didn’t imagine up negatives when there’s no need! I don’t see a problem with a gushing review when’s it’s legit and I always value your reviews! How about that, a gushing comment of your reviews.
Thank you!
Watching since tiger 1050 days, gets the odd detail 😮opps , but then he’s not just giving us the press release details, a honest guy that just loves all things motorcycles and touring, stay safe mr & mrs flyer , thanks for years of entertainment 🍀
My pleasure - thanks for watching!
It's a great idea. But that box is absolutely massive. Most people say its smallish but when you did a walk around you can see just how much it protrudes
Had the chance to test ride this Honda and wow the e-clutch is a smooth experience during acceleration. Dash is sweet, only thing missing would be cruise control. Some design changes are not really my cuppa tea, the old rear light and air intakes looked better. I will be considering this model after the next few facelifts.
Picked mine up 2 days ago, got the black one. Lovely bike for the daily commute across London.
same here ;) In 10 days we will be together for one month :D I did try to turn off e-clutch last weekend and I have to say.... I don't want to drive ever again without e-clutch
I have always liked the looks of this bike and the E-clutch is a great innovation... Great review....
Thanks! 👍
Great review of the CB650….and the exhaust system is fabulous. Clearly harks back to the CB400/4 from my teens and I still want one. Anyway, the e-clutch looks a great innovation again by Honda! Whether I would use it, I don’t know….as you say, trying to retrain your brain to cope is tricky and if you ride different bikes confusing? However, if you’re looking at bikes in this segment and go for the Honda it must be worth opting for e-clutch at £100…..especially now, as I can’t see them staying at that price! Incredibly, Honda are producing mid-range bikes which are competitive and still come with typical Honda build quality.
Great review as always. Looks like a cracking little bike, love the fact that it’s not over complicated with rider modes, suspension settings, etc. an absolute bargain I’d say!
Couldn't agree more!
Beautifull swept downpipes, highly reminiscent of the CB400F of the 70's. That particular styling innovation made that pocket rocket such an attractive bike and was the first of it's kind from Honda. Paired back yet flamboyant.
Game changing tech upgrade.
Well done Honda. A cheaper better QS. Thanks for another informative vid Andy. 👍🏼
No problem 👍
Hello Sir. You made it back safely from your E-clutch ride review and apparently the E clutch works well. Thanks again. I think I would use the E Clutch.......Sal : )
Very interesting piece Andy. May be great for newer riders too. Hope your shoulder is still progressing well.
I picked up my CBR650R 3 weeks ago and after around 350 miles I've already got used to not using the clutch lever. For slow speed manoeuvres it is handy having a clutch lever so you don't accidentally grab a handful of throttle but the clutch lever bites very far out and this is apparently because of the E-clutch system. That is the only negative thing I have to say about the system.
You can turn it off in the menu but it defaults to on every time you start the bike so you'd have to turn it off each time if you don't want it.
I guess I'm showing my age in being circumspect about quickshifters and the hoopla (at least it seems like hoopla) surrounding them. I still like the idea of staying with the manual controls but this seems like a better system at a lower price, so, why not. Thanks for the introduction, Andy.
Great review Andy as always great looking bike. Definitely better than a normal quick shifter and less complicated than the dct. Cheaper to service than a dct it’s a winner in my humble opinion.
I have both motorcycles and scooters in my garage. The thing I really like about the scooters is that I don’t need to think about gear selection. I know for new riders the operation of a clutch may be a barrier to entry. For me however, the clutch is just muscle memory at this point. I am sure this will make motorcycling more accessible to some folks, and that is plus even if it isn’t for me.
I live in thailand and just bought myself one of these bikes ...i love it
Hey Andy. Great video. I absolutely love Honda, I own 2. I also love the Kawasaki Z 900 rs that you have. That styling brings such a smile to my face. If Honda would make that style bike again with the E clutch or the DCT. That would be AMAZING.
Keep up the good work Andy, great review and very comprehensive information about the new e clutch (much more info than Hondas promo vid 😂). Ignore the trolls who are clearly looking to upset you with their insults. Rise above negativity like that, personally I think you are one of the top content creators on TH-cam. All your vids are down to earth and unbiased and are of the highest quality.
That’s very kind of you to say so thank you very much. I try to be polite to the trolls, if I can’t be then I just ban them!
First the bike...looks great....sounds great. I do like a mid sized 4 cylinder bike. It reminds me of mt 600 bandit i used to own, which I preferred riding to the 1200 bandit I had later. If I gave up touring or found I could afford a second bike, the CB650R would be pretty much at the top of the list. The e -clutch looks good. I ride an NC750X with DCT and I love it. I did look to add a gear shift lever to use instead of the paddles, but they stopped making them fornthe '21' year models onwards. So it woukd have worked very similar to the e clutch. Great review Andy....keep doing what your doing!
Thank you and will do!
Thanks for the review. Glad Honda still makes a 4 Cylinder Inline engine in the middle weight class. I saw the bike today at the dealer, one negative though, the E-Clutch makes the engine quite wide at the right side. Without protection you will surely damage the E-Clutch when you drop the bike to the right (as opposite to left 🙂) side.
I could tell that from this video. Might be a deal breaker.
Superb machine, beautiful to look at, erm beautiful to ride, superb review as always Andy, because this bike offers enough to warrant the very reasonable price tag, I would definitely put it in my wish list, erm near the Top! 😂
i have this bike with e clutch... it is sooo good to drive and make life easy
Hi Andy .....what are honda like they must have all the skilled bike guys as they always come up with new ideas...woo hoo to them they are brilliant....
Happy days A ! Great review. Those brakes will bed in with the miles I should think. Nice one.
Yes you are probably right. Thanks for watching.
BMW are reportedly developing an auto clutch for the R1300GS. Basically a quickshifter that automatically changes gear for you, and stops it from stalling, so like the DCT without the second clutch, just the quickshifter to hide the gear changes as much as possible
Yes, so ive heard!
I wonder how many times that will be recalled?
@davea9946 I'd rather it get recalled and fixed than they argue it saying there isn't an issue like some manufacturers do.
In 1960 I was 15 and fitted 2 new rear shocks to my Dads '54 T110. No garage, in the street, using tools bought from army surplus store...
Wow, I’ve never heard of this before😳 Very interesting
I think we’re going to be hearing a lot more about these in the future Freddie!
Saab back in the 1990's had the Sensonic system available on the 900. Slightly different to the Honda system in that it didn't have a clutch pedal. I loved mine, you just eased off the throttle and selected the gear you wanted. Was a little tricky finding the bite revs when parking.
Last week i was lucky to test the 2024 model also. Down 6k the motor is supersmooth but between 6k and 8k a lot of buzz in the footpegs and seat. Back on my 2008 honda cb600f hornet is at that range lot smoother. Rrst of the bike was wonderfull.
It seems like a good option to have for the price and type of bike it's on. I'm not the target audience for this technology, but I can appreciate its existence for those who need/want it.
Ooooh! Finally the E-Clutch review is here. Very tempted to swap my 2022 Monkey Bike and 2023 CL500 Scrambler for this, in green! (Although I preferred the Headlight on last year's Honda CB650r Neo Sports Cafe. (round vs this year's horse shoe look, although it has started to grow on me) Another lovely review. Cheers Andy.
A very good review Mr Flyer. Whilst the tech seems to work really well I do wonder sometimes about the implementations of such things on motorcycles. Personally I wish modern bikes had a analogue button which allowed you to just turn the key, skipping the multitude of checks and rider mode selections and just ride!
I'm excited for these on the lower cc bikes. I'd eat up a 300cc with one of these in an instant. Makes it easy for slow speeds and city day to day travel. With the exception on EV application this is the best ease of use tech I've seen.
You and me both!
I was thinking that too. Although I can't ride, the CB300 R with an e-clutch would be a sell out 😂
Hopefully picking up my non-eclutch green cb650r next week, great video! Would love to try the eclutch but really didn’t fancy it when I put my deposit down on the manual version
For £100 it’s a no brainer surely??
@@TheMissendenFlyer it’s all down to personal preference, I didn’t like the way it looked either. You’re right for an extra £100 it’s great. I question its use for helping new riders learn decent clutch control though
nice improvement from my 1980 cb650c honda . nice looking bike more sport bike looking. mine cruiser style look. great vid .cheers.
Blimey.....had trouble watching this, kept shouting at you to use the clutch lever and look out! You're gona stall!!😂😂😂
It took some concentration I can tell you, I was willing myself not to use the lever and found it that prevent to be using the brake as well!
Definite step in the right direction for safer, more relaxed riding. Anyone more interested in hooning-around... not so much. I'd be extremely happy to see that on my next bike.
Actually I think it works a treat for hooning around too!
So excited to see you riding literally my dream bike, unfortunately I can't get a license (car or bike) at the moment because of my eyesight but I would love to have that bike or even just get the chance to be a pillion. 🏍
I’m so sorry to hear of your eyesight issues, we don’t realise how lucky we are with our health until we lose it. Thanks for watching and for stopping by.
@@TheMissendenFlyer I'm 19 in a couple weeks, been wearing glasses all my life. My eyesight is pretty good but not up to the standard needed for starting lessons, etc. I was literally 1 line away on the letter board at the opticians. glad I can experience it on TH-cam tho :)
Looks and sounds the nuts lot of bike for the money, I’ve video really enjoyed it thanks Bruce 👍
My pleasure!
Hi Andy,
I think it’s a great system. I don’t like using the clutch a lot at some days because my hand is hurting after a while. When you get older you usually develop arthritis and that makes things more difficult.
This is great! I was interested in the Cub125 and Dax for the centrifugal clutch but they apparently need a bit more maintenance. Same goes for scooters with their variators. But this is great! I hope it will catch on and soon be found on many bikes. Riding a motorcycle in the traffic is no fun because of the clutch and how much it strains my hand.
This looks great, i use a quick shift, but this looks smoother and less likely to miss a gear. I can see other manufacturers going this way.
It would be great on hills when you stop and go especially for new riders great vid
The very humble, Jawa 350 (two-stroke) has had a set up like this for decades. You need only use the clutch for engaging and setting off in first gear and after that just use the auto . As with the Honda, you can elect to use the manual clutch lever if you wish. Unlike the Honda, you couldn't come to a stop in gear. But for all the riding in between it worked really well on the machine I had.
Well it’s not quite the same then Steve because with the Honda you don’t need to use the clutch for setting off in first gear even, it’s very clever!
Yes. The Czech bikes had a rod with a little wheel in a curved channel. When the gear lever was moved it pushed the rod to open the clutch so only useful for changing gear. On most of them you could also kick the gear lever to start the engine!
@@TheMissendenFlyer You could use the Jawa setup to engage 1st gear but it wasn't easy to do, and more often than not it would stall when you tried to move off.
@@aunoates6617 yes, mine had the same kickstart arrangement too, though it also came with electric start which was rather more convenient, but it was a very elegant and dependable set up.
this as far as I understand is just a bolted on actuator on the clutch-system, basically, rather than mechanical gadgeting.
surprised they didn't call it AI-cluth as is the fashion with microcontroller controlled things nowadays.
Great review Andy, love the e-clutch. Have to say Honda always bring something new, I wonder if any other manufacturer will follow. I do like this idea, also like the bike Alot 😁
It looks like BMW have!
Oh yeah I noticed that in an article the other day. Oh well, they may all have something similar soon
It's not really new - the Yamaha FJR1300AS had clutch-lever-less up and down shifting back in 2006 or so. You have to give Honda credit for trying though: centrifugal clutch in the Cub, CVT in the scooters, DCT in the bigger bikes and don't forget the fluid-thingy in the DN-01!
Great review dude ❤ interesting system is in be curious to try one.. looks nice to 😊 Pete
Good one, Andy!
I do like the E-clutch concept, generally, and it doesn't seem to add much weight. It does, however, look a bit bulbous. I prefer the DCT concept even if it adds more weight, and I do believe that the two concepts will marry a bit over time and get more slender and useful for all and everyone.
Also: I do not agree with everything that you say or show, and I will tell (and have done so), but I like what you do, and I can separate what you say and do from who you are, and if I have any objections at least I do so with my own account and won't hide behind a "no-name account".
I appreciate that.
As always very useful review, keep them coming. I use your videos to get an early impression for potential next bikes. This reminds me of the old CB400F from the 70's due to the 4-1 headers, although the old one wins on styling probably due to nostalgia. The new naked bikes look too "Transformers" to me and the passenger accommodations are mostly an afterthought. The fit and finish is quite upscale, specially that engine painting/finishing. However, the side cases look quite vulnerable even in on mild lateral drop. Exhaust and sound well done and all tucked underneath.
The e-clutch reminds me of the semi-automatic gearboxes of the 60-70's, now thinking on a VW Beetle. Would I buy an e clutch bike? Not know, but likely in the future. By definition I'm not an early adopter of new tech. This is the first iteration, a bit chunky in size and mostly an addition to the traditional setup. Let's wait to see how it stands against use and abuse. In time, it would be better integrated and designed from the onset as such. But definitely worth keeping them on the radar given the low price, and low weight penalty.
I love how saab was waay ahead on this one. They had the sensonic gearboxes in cars in the 90's, the concept was similar, but you didn't have a clutch pedal. But I am glad that didn't sell because it didn't work right, needed a little more time in the oven, maybe due to a lack of enough computing power as well, and in that department we are in a much MUCH better place now.
Yours are consistently the best reviews on you tube. Yes neevsey bvg fagan booth can fully exploit the bikes but they are a different level to me. Your explanations are informative and interesting - the test of a reviewer is do you watch reviews on bikes you are not interested in. I watch nearly all of yours even the GS! Please can we have another biker scran love those.
Wow that’s a lovely comment to read thank you Oliver. I very much appreciate that. You’ll be glad to hear there’s another Biker Scran scheduled for next Saturday, stay tuned!
Another cool review Andy.
I have a 31 inch leg and am 6f1i tall? Maybe we could swap some body bits and get a match.
For £100 its an absolute no brainer, Massive selling point for this sector.
Another great review, thank you! I own the 2022 version and it looks to me that the engine sticks out more on this version. See what you think.
Definitely like the look of this bike and the new E-Clutch system. Like you, it would be a no brainer for me to spend the extra 100 quid for the E-Clutch. One of the big positives from my side is not having to pull the clutch in at a stop. When I’m stopped, I always shift into neutral, but the big advantage will be stop/start in a traffic queue and not having to worry about the clutch and shifting 1-N-1-N etc. Personally, I’m not too keen on the small TFT and would prefer to see two gauges with a small TFT for navigation guidance. I love Honda four cylinder engines and I think they are bulletproof. Similar to your comment, I’d like to see E-Clutch on all manual shift bikes and the rider can choose manual or E-Clutch operation. Congratulations on the successful shoulder operation and hope it continues to get better. Cheers.
Cheers Jim!
After commuting by motorbike for 20-somw years, the best commuters I've had were a NC700x DCT and a Vespa. The automatic gearbox shines for commuting. My current MT09's up/down quickshifter comes a close third for ease of commute. I wish more bike makers would offer these.
I suspect we’re going to see more of these now, thanks for watching and stopping by.
I like the idea of having either clutch option. With old man hands there are days I have limited use and this would give me a couple more years of riding.