Reminds me why I like going to a small church. I sometimes go to a very large one too and it's a totally different feeling. Both are good and have their positves.
We have a uniformed officer in our kids building, two plain clothes in our main building, im on staff- training constantly and carrying and we have probably 1 of every 5 people carrying (most train regularly too). I love ALL of this and shared it with my team and friends
Master your emotions or they'll master you. I try hard to save my freakouts, and I'm human so I definitely have them, for when I'm completely alone. One of the best pieces of advice my father ever gave me was that the first person to visibly lose their cool and break protocol (swearing, looming, pounding on furniture, yelling) during an adversarial or tense meeting/negotiation/discussion/argument/debate/etc was the loser. That it's never as impressive, intimidating, or convincing as you believe it is. That you lose focus, the initiative, and quite possibly the respect of everyone else in the room. And that you have to work incredibly hard to regain those things.
A lot of people say body language is pseudoscience but i work LP and watch cameras all day at my job looking for thieves. Trust me, body language is a huge factor for people who are up to no good. Learn the patterns of regular people (ie. People shopping tend to shop a certain way, people worshiping at church tend to act a certain way). Focus on the regulars and you’ll be able to spot the abnormalities very quickly
I think people who say that, at least those arguing in good faith, mean that it shouldnt be used as evidence or contribute to PC for a search, using it as an indicator that someone warrants additional attention is a good idea. At the end of the day there's a legitimate excuse for nearly every bit of suspicious body language, it should not be used as sole justification for any proactive actions.
John, I love the way you make your speech's entertaining and informative at the same time. At my previous church I was on the security team, and it had at least 1,500 attending, so I obviously didn't know everyone, and we always had newcomers. We had a separate wing dedicated to the kids church/children's care, where I generally was posted at the only entrance. When you checked your kids in they each got a sticker with a bar code and their name we stuck on their back and the parent got a sticker with a corrosponding barcode. The most difficult situation I had to deal with in my years there was when a guy came to the entrance and tried walking through. I stopped him and asked him for his sticker to pick up whatever kids were with him so we could scan it as the barcodes are unique for each service. He didn't understand and said he was there for the worship service, so I tried to politely explain that this is the children's area, and if you turn around the doors to the chapel are right behind you. He still didn't understand and while he repeatedly tried to walk in, and I repeatedly blocked him, I tried to explain that we want him to worship with us and he is welcome here, but he is not allowed in the children's area. If he wants to listen to the service he needs to go through the doors behind him. At this point the guy is getting extremely agitated and a bit aggressive. The guy clearly had mental capacity issues, not malicious intent, so I called additional security and thankfully one of them knew him, so he was able to explain to the guy what was going on and things finally settled down.
I do have to admire the fact that the guy, while mentally unstable, had such a desire to come worship God that he wasn't letting some guy stand in his way and say he couldn't do it. He completely misunderstood the situation, but kudos to him for his commitment.
Being friendly is a great way to disarm people. I'm an introvert. I like to do my own thing but if you come up and say hi I'll be happy to chat with you. You'd be able to tell that I'm not a threat. Someone with ill intent will recognize that they are now under scrutiny. Criminals don't think like we do but people who are just a little off will might be taken off guard by a friendly but persistent greeting. Like in one of your previous videos, you're the hospitality force. Welcoming but prepared without being alarming.
I doubt a shooter with the intention to do harm would bring a wife and two kids to a church. Not everyone has the same level of potential threat. Profiling is necessary. By profiling, I don't mean things like color, race, or wealth, but someone's demeanor, body language, facial expression, friendliness, willingness to engage, etc. One thing I learned in classroom management as a teacher is that students are less likely to misbehave when the teacher is near. This is called proximity control. Instead of sitting at the teacher's desk, a teacher is advised to make it a habit to get up and walk around the classrom. It's not only to discourage misbehavior, but also to check on students to see if they needed help. The fact that a potential attacker knows that you are aware he is there and that he is being watched may be enough to deter him from acting out at that moment. He may decide to go to a different place where there is less risk or change his mind not to carry out his plan at all. Not every attack is planned, but a person might be acting on impulse.
I describe the body language to be aware of as, Hag-ridden. It's almost like some other entity is controlling them physically. Fortunately, in Australia, it's extremely rare for the crazies to be armed (about the only positive of our gun control laws) so there's that we don't have to worry about. Our church gets a lot of 'fringe' people, fresh from prison, or living on the street, or in assisted care residences, so most of us are pretty good at spotting trouble before it arrives.
Am I missing the church security playlist? I'll go back to look but you've put out some gold and I'll get more views from one playlist and sharing the new video than from, "hey, cadre, watch this one" every week.
This tho! Let's get a good amount of views on this to help ensure that John sees this. I'm not personally a person who goes to church, but I have friends who are active members of church and I'd love to have something to give in order to help at least one more church be a safe space, both in the spiritual sense and the physical sense
@@AngelFoxxoJP I remember a series on the topic, just couldn't find it in the few moments I have this morning. I'll search again when I'm not running around and when I can get to my pc.
Hey@@dargoska6730 Fun Fact: Demons get riled-up (angry) provoked and triggered every.single.time Truth enters the room. 2nd Fun Fact: John 10:10 says what a demon's top goal is when he comes to church. 3rd Fact: Principalities work thru Personalities. Demons must use a person's body to carry out evil desires upon humanity. With all of this in mind, holy war is the bloodiest of all. Nobody shows up at a worship place ready to let their child be the next Christian martyr. Jesus saves and is a Savior. Wolves gonna meet their Maker to save the flock.
I carry at church like everywhere else, our church is biblical in its teachings, so I feel like it could be a nut magnet one day by someone that hates biblical.
How many times am I going to witness a 'once-in-a-lifetime' historic event in my average-length lifetime? This will be at least the 3rd 'once in a lifetime' solar eclipse, and that's not counting the ones I probably missed
John, do you teach verbal judo de-escalation courses because that would be very helpful for me or for anybody in general security or not security police officer not there so I will greatly appreciate the information of where to attend those classes if you do them online
😂 did the one guy at the beginning think you have a red phone in your office directly to the pope or something? The Benedict shaped spotlight on the roof-
My old church wanted the illusion of security and wanted us armed with only pepper spray and a mean stare. They also would not get insurance for the security team in case we got sued by someone we had to deal with. No thank you.
The Bible mentions tattoos just once, at Leviticus 19:28, which says: “You must not put tattoo marking upon yourselves.” also in church you should not wear your cap.
The number of fundamentalist Christians who think that somehow I got all the way through seminary and earned my Masters of Divinity without reading my Bible, and that clearly I am disobeying God when I get a tattoo, is mind blowing. If you can't be bothered to be a good student of Scripture, you'll be stuck in a superficial, inaccurate and unhelpful application of Scripture your whole life. READ THE CONTEXT of Leviticus 19:28. God is condemning idolatry, and the EXPRESSION of idolatry in their midst at the time was marking yourself property of your deity. God forbade them from marking themselves property of a deity, i.e. idolatry. That's even assuming that the prescriptions of Leviticus are binding on followers of the Way of Jesus today, which seems CLEARLY not to be the case. Go read Acts 15. It's pretty patently clear. Regarding the cap, I wasn't in church, I was at a gun conference. Even the pastor there was wearing a cap.
@@ASPextra 22 On the other hand, the fruitagec of the spirit is love, joy,d peace,e patience, kindness, goodness,f faith, 23 mildness, self-control.g Against such things there is no law. 24 Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires.h 27 “But I say to you who are listening: Continue to love your enemies, to do good to those hating you,f 28 to bless those cursing you, to pray for those who are insulting you.g 29 To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also; and from him who takes away your outer garment, do not withhold the inner garment either.h 30 Give to everyone asking you,i and from the one taking your things away, do not ask them back. Are you a listener?
Interesting comment...but as Jesus himself said, "It is not those who are well who. need a doctor, but those who are sick. I didn't come to call the righteous, but sinners". We area ALL in need of a savior.
You were right being suspicious of that person but he could have been a disfellowshipped Jehovah’s Witness needing counseling Job 1:6,7 Now the day came when the sons of the true God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also entered among them. 7 Then God said to Satan: “Where have you come from?” Satan answered, “From roving about on the earth and from walking about in it.”
This gentleman relates to you that Jesus sent him to your church, but because he wasnt comfortable mingling during his first visit you throw him out?!? Not everyone is like you. Some people need a bit of space to get acclimated. Unfortunately, I’m one of these people. I find the over the top welcoming committee very intimidating. Maybe you don’t understand but there are others who do.
Honestly after seeing videos about "Secuity Teams" and hearing the phrase "ILL be your Heavy" the level of paranoia is interesting. Ill be attending as many churches as i can find, as an agnostic just to put Ninja Pastors on their toes. Should be interesting. Iwill not be rude or disruptive, i genuinely are intersted to see if this is normal behavior.
@@ASPextra if silently siting and observing makes me an asshole so be it. Im not looking for confrontation seriously just want to observe if this is normal behavior. I do like most of your videos John, especially those with Marc Victor, this video genuinely piqued my interest. As a lifelong Agnostic, i have attended various churches in utah for events, missionary homecomings, etc, and have never seen behavior of "Extra Awareness" at the worship houses ive attended. Can i ask (cause i dont know) are there so many threats against the house of worship, vs. grocery stores, schools, malls, etc that the pastor sholud be in condition orange all the time?
I think that's what John was implying when he said: We know what's going on here. If you want to, grab some more donuts then you probably need to move on.
@@Jason-sq2up that makes sense I suppose, but I don't exactly get why he needed to move on if he wasn't a threat. Would the shepherd turn away the lost sheep if it was so used to being an outcast that it wasn't mingling with the other sheep? I know in these times it can be hard not to be paranoid but it seems like he would have either left anyway if he only wanted food, or he would have potentially stayed and maybe the spiritual food would have filled a more important belly of his. Just my 2c though
@@Jason-sq2up yeah I agree. I mean fellowship is nice, but churches aren't working for themselves in the end, and if that guy didn't talk to anyone, but was moved by mass, and became closer to God and went out and did better in the world, that's what church is for. What Jesus did was not comfortable. His followers at the time knew that; they knew they would be persecuted, and that they would be in the company of sinners and others considered undesirable by society. In an essentially Christian country, with big fancy churches, we forget that. And I think this land has become far less Christian in spirit than it is on its face. Nowadays so many people go in on Sunday just to punch the God card. They reject the poor and the disfigured and the sinner. They hoard wealth. They put community above communion, are happy to have their little church social circles. And a lot of that is natural, I think. But spirituality is not about having an easy life. It is about accepting the responsibility of being a child of God. The words of Christ are said to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. When he says you must hate your parents, spouse, siblings and children, he means that we must not let these kin and community ties blind us to the importance of faith and of loving the enemy.
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John not only are your topics of interest but you’re also a great speaker.
Thanks!
Reminds me why I like going to a small church. I sometimes go to a very large one too and it's a totally different feeling. Both are good and have their positves.
We have a uniformed officer in our kids building, two plain clothes in our main building, im on staff- training constantly and carrying and we have probably 1 of every 5 people carrying (most train regularly too). I love ALL of this and shared it with my team and friends
Situational awareness saves lives.
Master your emotions or they'll master you. I try hard to save my freakouts, and I'm human so I definitely have them, for when I'm completely alone. One of the best pieces of advice my father ever gave me was that the first person to visibly lose their cool and break protocol (swearing, looming, pounding on furniture, yelling) during an adversarial or tense meeting/negotiation/discussion/argument/debate/etc was the loser. That it's never as impressive, intimidating, or convincing as you believe it is. That you lose focus, the initiative, and quite possibly the respect of everyone else in the room. And that you have to work incredibly hard to regain those things.
A lot of people say body language is pseudoscience but i work LP and watch cameras all day at my job looking for thieves. Trust me, body language is a huge factor for people who are up to no good. Learn the patterns of regular people (ie. People shopping tend to shop a certain way, people worshiping at church tend to act a certain way). Focus on the regulars and you’ll be able to spot the abnormalities very quickly
It 100% is a thing. Without a doubt.
Yup! Good. Call ok that. Someone shopping (or in a broader LEO sense) that doesn’t look like they’re doing what everyone else is? Huge red flag.
I think people who say that, at least those arguing in good faith, mean that it shouldnt be used as evidence or contribute to PC for a search, using it as an indicator that someone warrants additional attention is a good idea.
At the end of the day there's a legitimate excuse for nearly every bit of suspicious body language, it should not be used as sole justification for any proactive actions.
John, I love the way you make your speech's entertaining and informative at the same time. At my previous church I was on the security team, and it had at least 1,500 attending, so I obviously didn't know everyone, and we always had newcomers. We had a separate wing dedicated to the kids church/children's care, where I generally was posted at the only entrance. When you checked your kids in they each got a sticker with a bar code and their name we stuck on their back and the parent got a sticker with a corrosponding barcode. The most difficult situation I had to deal with in my years there was when a guy came to the entrance and tried walking through. I stopped him and asked him for his sticker to pick up whatever kids were with him so we could scan it as the barcodes are unique for each service. He didn't understand and said he was there for the worship service, so I tried to politely explain that this is the children's area, and if you turn around the doors to the chapel are right behind you. He still didn't understand and while he repeatedly tried to walk in, and I repeatedly blocked him, I tried to explain that we want him to worship with us and he is welcome here, but he is not allowed in the children's area. If he wants to listen to the service he needs to go through the doors behind him. At this point the guy is getting extremely agitated and a bit aggressive. The guy clearly had mental capacity issues, not malicious intent, so I called additional security and thankfully one of them knew him, so he was able to explain to the guy what was going on and things finally settled down.
I do have to admire the fact that the guy, while mentally unstable, had such a desire to come worship God that he wasn't letting some guy stand in his way and say he couldn't do it. He completely misunderstood the situation, but kudos to him for his commitment.
Being friendly is a great way to disarm people. I'm an introvert. I like to do my own thing but if you come up and say hi I'll be happy to chat with you. You'd be able to tell that I'm not a threat. Someone with ill intent will recognize that they are now under scrutiny. Criminals don't think like we do but people who are just a little off will might be taken off guard by a friendly but persistent greeting. Like in one of your previous videos, you're the hospitality force. Welcoming but prepared without being alarming.
I doubt a shooter with the intention to do harm would bring a wife and two kids to a church. Not everyone has the same level of potential threat. Profiling is necessary. By profiling, I don't mean things like color, race, or wealth, but someone's demeanor, body language, facial expression, friendliness, willingness to engage, etc. One thing I learned in classroom management as a teacher is that students are less likely to misbehave when the teacher is near. This is called proximity control. Instead of sitting at the teacher's desk, a teacher is advised to make it a habit to get up and walk around the classrom. It's not only to discourage misbehavior, but also to check on students to see if they needed help. The fact that a potential attacker knows that you are aware he is there and that he is being watched may be enough to deter him from acting out at that moment. He may decide to go to a different place where there is less risk or change his mind not to carry out his plan at all. Not every attack is planned, but a person might be acting on impulse.
So much truth here
This is a great training video about church safety.
John, you have so many gifts! God bless you sir.
Wow, thank you!
Loved this video! Great job John
I describe the body language to be aware of as, Hag-ridden. It's almost like some other entity is controlling them physically. Fortunately, in Australia, it's extremely rare for the crazies to be armed (about the only positive of our gun control laws) so there's that we don't have to worry about. Our church gets a lot of 'fringe' people, fresh from prison, or living on the street, or in assisted care residences, so most of us are pretty good at spotting trouble before it arrives.
Great video and advice. I really like your concluding statement that training is more important than equipment.
Am I missing the church security playlist? I'll go back to look but you've put out some gold and I'll get more views from one playlist and sharing the new video than from, "hey, cadre, watch this one" every week.
This tho! Let's get a good amount of views on this to help ensure that John sees this. I'm not personally a person who goes to church, but I have friends who are active members of church and I'd love to have something to give in order to help at least one more church be a safe space, both in the spiritual sense and the physical sense
@@AngelFoxxoJP I remember a series on the topic, just couldn't find it in the few moments I have this morning. I'll search again when I'm not running around and when I can get to my pc.
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OK John.... peeps looking for help here!! A church security playlist would be awesome.
Just made it. Sorry it took so long!
Can we get a playlist of church security videos?
I just made it. :)
practical examples, thx!
Being part of security for my church, I really enjoy these.
Good to hear! Thanks for being here!
The fact that you need security for your church tells us a lot about American society. *sigh*
Not just American society, dude. Tell me you live in a bubble without telling me.
Unfortunately we live in a fallen world, and would you prefer peaceful slavery to dangerous freedom?
Hey@@dargoska6730 Fun Fact:
Demons get riled-up (angry) provoked and triggered every.single.time Truth enters the room.
2nd Fun Fact: John 10:10 says what a demon's top goal is when he comes to church.
3rd Fact:
Principalities work thru Personalities.
Demons must use a person's body to carry out evil desires upon humanity.
With all of this in mind, holy war is the bloodiest of all.
Nobody shows up at a worship place ready to let their child be the next Christian martyr. Jesus saves and is a Savior. Wolves gonna meet their Maker to save the flock.
You always have something interesting and more importantly,VITAL to say.thank you.
I carry at church like everywhere else, our church is biblical in its teachings, so I feel like it could be a nut magnet one day by someone that hates biblical.
I think most of the world hates biblical. You just come off as assholes I guess.
easy upvote for 'cornholio'
How many times am I going to witness a 'once-in-a-lifetime' historic event in my average-length lifetime? This will be at least the 3rd 'once in a lifetime' solar eclipse, and that's not counting the ones I probably missed
John, do you teach verbal judo de-escalation courses because that would be very helpful for me or for anybody in general security or not security police officer not there so I will greatly appreciate the information of where to attend those classes if you do them online
Yep, sure do.
@@ASPextra where do I go?, when is it?, how to attend? Since I’m not able to travel. Also price?
Well if you can't travel, friend, I doubt I am doing one in your living room.
😂 did the one guy at the beginning think you have a red phone in your office directly to the pope or something? The Benedict shaped spotlight on the roof-
Haha!
My old church wanted the illusion of security and wanted us armed with only pepper spray and a mean stare. They also would not get insurance for the security team in case we got sued by someone we had to deal with. No thank you.
The Bible mentions tattoos just once, at Leviticus 19:28, which says: “You must not put tattoo marking upon yourselves.” also in church you should not wear your cap.
The number of fundamentalist Christians who think that somehow I got all the way through seminary and earned my Masters of Divinity without reading my Bible, and that clearly I am disobeying God when I get a tattoo, is mind blowing.
If you can't be bothered to be a good student of Scripture, you'll be stuck in a superficial, inaccurate and unhelpful application of Scripture your whole life.
READ THE CONTEXT of Leviticus 19:28. God is condemning idolatry, and the EXPRESSION of idolatry in their midst at the time was marking yourself property of your deity. God forbade them from marking themselves property of a deity, i.e. idolatry.
That's even assuming that the prescriptions of Leviticus are binding on followers of the Way of Jesus today, which seems CLEARLY not to be the case. Go read Acts 15. It's pretty patently clear.
Regarding the cap, I wasn't in church, I was at a gun conference. Even the pastor there was wearing a cap.
@@ASPextra
22 On the other hand, the fruitagec of the spirit is love, joy,d peace,e patience, kindness, goodness,f faith, 23 mildness, self-control.g Against such things there is no law. 24 Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires.h
27 “But I say to you who are listening: Continue to love your enemies, to do good to those hating you,f 28 to bless those cursing you, to pray for those who are insulting you.g 29 To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also; and from him who takes away your outer garment, do not withhold the inner garment either.h 30 Give to everyone asking you,i and from the one taking your things away, do not ask them back.
Are you a listener?
If I stepped into a church it would probably burst into flames
Interesting comment...but as Jesus himself said, "It is not those who are well who. need a doctor, but those who are sick. I didn't come to call the righteous, but sinners". We area ALL in need of a savior.
John I did not know you’re a Pastor
Not any more. I was for 14 years.
A1
People still do church?
Or I would. Either way
You were right being suspicious of that person but he could have been a disfellowshipped Jehovah’s Witness needing counseling
Job 1:6,7 Now the day came when the sons of the true God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also entered among them.
7 Then God said to Satan: “Where have you come from?” Satan answered, “From roving about on the earth and from walking about in it.”
Watch on YT: Jehovah’s Witnesses and the tragic outcome of shunning
This gentleman relates to you that Jesus sent him to your church, but because he wasnt comfortable mingling during his first visit you throw him out?!? Not everyone is like you. Some people need a bit of space to get acclimated. Unfortunately, I’m one of these people. I find the over the top welcoming committee very intimidating. Maybe you don’t understand but there are others who do.
That wasn't what he was doing at all. You're projecting.
What burns more calories? My projecting or your jumping to conclusions?
Honestly after seeing videos about "Secuity Teams" and hearing the phrase "ILL be your Heavy" the level of paranoia is interesting. Ill be attending as many churches as i can find, as an agnostic just to put Ninja Pastors on their toes. Should be interesting. Iwill not be rude or disruptive, i genuinely are intersted to see if this is normal behavior.
So your plan is to be an asshole? Great.
Sounds like a waste of time but maybe you will learn something.
@@ASPextra if silently siting and observing makes me an asshole so be it. Im not looking for confrontation seriously just want to observe if this is normal behavior. I do like most of your videos John, especially those with Marc Victor, this video genuinely piqued my interest. As a lifelong Agnostic, i have attended various churches in utah for events, missionary homecomings, etc, and have never seen behavior of "Extra Awareness" at the worship houses ive attended. Can i ask (cause i dont know) are there so many threats against the house of worship, vs. grocery stores, schools, malls, etc that the pastor sholud be in condition orange all the time?
Kinda sounds like just an awkward angry homeless guy who wanted some free coffee and donuts tbh
I think that's what John was implying when he said: We know what's going on here. If you want to, grab some more donuts then you probably need to move on.
@@Jason-sq2up that makes sense I suppose, but I don't exactly get why he needed to move on if he wasn't a threat. Would the shepherd turn away the lost sheep if it was so used to being an outcast that it wasn't mingling with the other sheep? I know in these times it can be hard not to be paranoid but it seems like he would have either left anyway if he only wanted food, or he would have potentially stayed and maybe the spiritual food would have filled a more important belly of his. Just my 2c though
@@clownform That's a fair point. He also said, "if you're not gonna fellowship," but yeah, I'm not sure why that would absolutely be a requirement.
He said leading up to that event that church had received credible threats
@@Jason-sq2up yeah I agree. I mean fellowship is nice, but churches aren't working for themselves in the end, and if that guy didn't talk to anyone, but was moved by mass, and became closer to God and went out and did better in the world, that's what church is for.
What Jesus did was not comfortable. His followers at the time knew that; they knew they would be persecuted, and that they would be in the company of sinners and others considered undesirable by society. In an essentially Christian country, with big fancy churches, we forget that. And I think this land has become far less Christian in spirit than it is on its face. Nowadays so many people go in on Sunday just to punch the God card. They reject the poor and the disfigured and the sinner. They hoard wealth. They put community above communion, are happy to have their little church social circles. And a lot of that is natural, I think. But spirituality is not about having an easy life. It is about accepting the responsibility of being a child of God. The words of Christ are said to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. When he says you must hate your parents, spouse, siblings and children, he means that we must not let these kin and community ties blind us to the importance of faith and of loving the enemy.