sure sounds like another KonTiki hypothesis, basically saying our traditions and what our ancestors passed down to us is somehow false. Does it ever occur to these outsiders to ask what the Natives have to say about there own origins. By the way their knowledge and courage is what settled these islands in the first place.
From what I’ve heard the KonTiki hypothesis had some sort of racial undertones to it, I think this is mainly looking at the language and their shared grammar. The theory isn’t consensus, so it’s still very possible that EP was settled from Tokelau and Samoa.
This so called pulan chamorro guy who tryin to discredit us, dont even have a language of his/their own-and he telling the world this? Look how white he is.Part of his own ancestors were the very ones who colonized the marianas islands.... On his so called chamorro ancestry his people did not even have a kingdom before the spanish arrived in those islands. Not even a formal indigenous system of education. I guess this video makes himself feel real good huh?
That's the thing with the "melanesian" and "Micronesian" language families. They're all very different whereas "Polynesian" languages are much more similar with a much higher percentage of cognates between them.
Facts!!I'm a kuki/Tahitian boy but I pick up on words from samoa tonga Niue Tokelau hawaii maori all the time..due to colonization they changed my languages of kuki and Tahiti but only a small few speak the old tongue.
According to others papers the migration to the outliers seems to have been a comlex process. Some of the outliers speak Western Polynesian Ellicean languages related to Tuvaluan, Samoan and Tokelauan. The outlier languages that fall outside of that category are Futunic languages which are quite distinct from Ellicean languages but are still not spoken in Eastern Polynesia. Some of the differences between Samoan and the outlier languages could also be explained by Samoan developing away from Proto-Polynesian while the outliers retained some features, like the nuber two which is reconstructed as 'rua' for PP, 'rua' in Tikopian but 'lua' in Samoan. It's an interesting theory overall, but i am not yet convinced.
There are no mentions of any of the outliers in any eastern Polynesian oral tradition. Yet samoa, Tonga, Fiji, uvea etc are frequently mentioned. You have a tui manuka chiefly line in cook islands and 1 of the Maori wake takitimu coming from samoa. This theory is wrong. When the outliers themselves claim to come from tokelau or samoa
Also the ancestral homeland of the e.p is hawaiki and kahiki for the Hawaiians. No mentions of anuta etc. Just look at all the place names of tahiti, Hawaii etc that have cognates in samoa and Tonga e.g. hawaiki > hawaii > savaii. Uporu in tahiti to upolu in samoa and Many, many more. This theory is actually ridiculous
They are wrong the cookisland chief titles are of the same as samoa We have the 'Ui Ariki/Mataiapo/Rangatira. Our language is of samoan but over time we developed our own and due to colonization our language was changed for the good. They took out some of our letters and changed the way we speak originally our language was exactly like Tuamotuan/Rapanui.
I hope they expand their triangle. Kiribati has some historical truths that keep being removed from the Hawaiian Islands and sent back to Kiribati.. I understand the families need to follow traditions in burials. Its just that it was big evidence and I was one of the few people blessed enough to meet a Giant Hawaiian 12 foot brother.
It's certainly an interesting theory. I must say as a person with Samoan heritage it does make me feel a little dissapointed, I always liked the idea of the the settlement of East Polynesia starting from Samoa.
There is no polynesia Micronesia or melanesia that's a white man's way of separating us. So samoa was not the gateway to settlement all the way up to Hawaii rapanui and down to aotearoa.
Les ancêtres polynésienne de Samoa il sont voiagé dans la Polynésie française et des marquise il voiagé a Rapa nui magareva et des îles Tuamotu et aussi dans les îles Rapa rurutu tupuai rimatara raivaevae et il sont arrivés sur ils de humaine et Raiatea et il sont voiagé sur îles Cook Islande et il voiagé sur ils de nouvelle Zélande et la culture maori et né 🇵🇫🤙🤙🇼🇸🇦🇸🇭🇲🇹🇴et aussi il sont voiagé vers la mélanésie partagés leur Mana ancestrale polynésienne et aussi leur culture polynésienne et génétique polynésienne et Raiatea voiagé vers Hawaii et Micronési vers Hawaii ou Hawaii voiagé vers la Micronési
Thanks for sharing this informative video! You presentation is excellent for clarifying the new hypothesis and the nature of the supporting evidence in linguistics. Just looking at the archaeology side alone, the timing for the peopling of the Outliers was essentially the same as for East Polynesia, around the year 1000, most closely matching the notions of the "bifurcation" model but not necessarily rejecting the other possibilities. In other words, the NO-EP hypothesis cannot be proven or disproven through the archaeology evidence, so it remains viable and interesting.
Si Yu'os ma'ase' for your comment! I wondered what archaeologists think about the NO-EPn. So far I only know that Matthew Spriggs from ANU agrees with Wilson's Hypothesis and I haven't found any other statements from other archaeologists.. So hearing a comment from you, an archaeologist, is very insightful.
I believe the basis usually stems from the precedent of Islanders migrating from West to East starting in the Bismarck Archipelago all the way to the Tonga-Samoa area. Cook Islands and the rest of East Polynesia is directly East of the Tonga-Samoa, so it seems logical that Islanders took the direct route East into the Cook Islands and the rest of East Polynesia, rather than from the Polynesian Northern Outliers which are further away and less of a direct route. Furthermore, less is known about the Outliers compared to the Tonga-Samoa area, so their is a bias.
Well presented. What does he have to say about rapanui retaining some of the pp glottal stops only found in tongan? If the eastern Polynesians came from the outliers then wouldn't some of the other ep islands and the outliers also have these forms of these words? Apologies as I'm not a linguist so some of these terms are foreign to me, but I do speak samoan and can recognise these changes and follow along. One thing I'll say is that some of these word lists I see comparing Polynesian languages are often wrong in the samoan category. I'm guessing there linguists search dictionaries to compare words and forget to account for words changing in meaning over time. Plenty of proto-polynesian words became honorific in samoa whereas they're common words in east Polynesia. I can't accept this theory because when you look into the oral traditions of these outliers, they either say they came from tokelau or samoa. It is annoying to me that no one seems to care about piecing together oral traditions of the various islands, surely there's some weight in the myths and legends of each island. My theory is that after leaving Fiji, the original samoans and Tongans were separated for a long time each developing their own unique languages. The original eastern Polynesians then migrated from savaii and manua which can be gathered from the legends of "hawaiki" etc. I believe this was before samoa was known as samoa and Tonga wasn't unified, it was just the word for South. Some time after samoan chiefs left to Tonga and exported their chiefly system there kind of like when the Normans invaded England. Centuries later tongans of samoan ancestry successfully invaded much of their surrounding islands including parts of samoa and exported some of their tongan words such as ha'u. If you look at tokelauan I believe it's less influenced by tonganisms and is closer to original samoan language
Rapanui closest language is Tahiti/cookislands/maori/Havaiki😂😂 stop bringing tonga up they have no close connection to the islands as their origins don't trace back to tonga.😂
@@originalclaymoreboy728the Native American ancestry in EP is minimal and likely only occurred once, a few time as most. There was a study done recently on this just can’t remember the name of the paper
Yes, your comprehension is correct, according to linguist William Wilson, East Polynesia came from the Polynesian Northern Outliers rather than directly from West Polynesia. Terima kasih for watching!
Linguistic evidence aside , the homogeneous Polynesian race developed in Western Polynesia in Samoa and Tonga before gradually spreading east , north , south and also west into the outliers centuries later.
sure sounds like another KonTiki hypothesis, basically saying our traditions and what our ancestors passed down to us is somehow false. Does it ever occur to these outsiders to ask what the Natives have to say about there own origins. By the way their knowledge and courage is what settled these islands in the first place.
From what I’ve heard the KonTiki hypothesis had some sort of racial undertones to it, I think this is mainly looking at the language and their shared grammar. The theory isn’t consensus, so it’s still very possible that EP was settled from Tokelau and Samoa.
This so called pulan chamorro guy who tryin to discredit us, dont even have a language of his/their own-and he telling the world this? Look how white he is.Part of his own ancestors were the very ones who colonized the marianas islands....
On his so called chamorro ancestry his people did not even have a kingdom before the spanish arrived in those islands.
Not even a formal indigenous system of
education.
I guess this video makes himself feel real good huh?
The language isn’t that different. Not to us Polynesians
That's the thing with the "melanesian" and "Micronesian" language families. They're all very different whereas "Polynesian" languages are much more similar with a much higher percentage of cognates between them.
Facts!!I'm a kuki/Tahitian boy but I pick up on words from samoa tonga Niue Tokelau hawaii maori all the time..due to colonization they changed my languages of kuki and Tahiti but only a small few speak the old tongue.
All Austronesians speak the same language, it's just that language change in migration... We all speak Malayo Polynesian language
@@originalclaymoreboy728 Kuki as in cook island Māori?
@@originalclaymoreboy728
The old tongue must be documented/written down before it's gone.
Love it ,make more Polynesian studies videos,I am from central java,Indonesia I think our languages were from the same family. And similar.
Fiji, Tonga and Samoa is where the heart is at ❤
shud up stop trying to be Polynesia when only high families of Samoa Tonga and fiji married we not related
i relay get tired when Fijian think they are Polynesia you never wil no matter how much you wish we called your kind meaulis!
@@qnqmria sole I only rep 685. Samoan all day
@@qnqmria stop being a sook
This is fascinating! Thank you so much. I read a brief review of Wilson's theory before, but this is the most complete explanation I have found.
According to others papers the migration to the outliers seems to have been a comlex process. Some of the outliers speak Western Polynesian Ellicean languages related to Tuvaluan, Samoan and Tokelauan. The outlier languages that fall outside of that category are Futunic languages which are quite distinct from Ellicean languages but are still not spoken in Eastern Polynesia. Some of the differences between Samoan and the outlier languages could also be explained by Samoan developing away from Proto-Polynesian while the outliers retained some features, like the nuber two which is reconstructed as 'rua' for PP, 'rua' in Tikopian but 'lua' in Samoan. It's an interesting theory overall, but i am not yet convinced.
There are no mentions of any of the outliers in any eastern Polynesian oral tradition. Yet samoa, Tonga, Fiji, uvea etc are frequently mentioned. You have a tui manuka chiefly line in cook islands and 1 of the Maori wake takitimu coming from samoa. This theory is wrong. When the outliers themselves claim to come from tokelau or samoa
Also the ancestral homeland of the e.p is hawaiki and kahiki for the Hawaiians. No mentions of anuta etc. Just look at all the place names of tahiti, Hawaii etc that have cognates in samoa and Tonga e.g. hawaiki > hawaii > savaii. Uporu in tahiti to upolu in samoa and Many, many more. This theory is actually ridiculous
They are wrong the cookisland chief titles are of the same as samoa
We have the 'Ui Ariki/Mataiapo/Rangatira. Our language is of samoan but over time we developed our own and due to colonization our language was changed for the good. They took out some of our letters and changed the way we speak originally our language was exactly like Tuamotuan/Rapanui.
I noticed the Polynesian outlier islands in the Solomons still hongi in Anuta & Tikopia. From what I’ve seen on TH-cam.
Samoa did the same but the practice stopped for some reason
@@zion8614 I think it was two things. Diseases and Christianity
I believe samoa called it the Feasogi.
Tonga has more than 1 dialect. Commoners, noble, royal and ancient dialects.
I hope they expand their triangle. Kiribati has some historical truths that keep being removed from the Hawaiian Islands and sent back to Kiribati.. I understand the families need to follow traditions in burials. Its just that it was big evidence and I was one of the few people blessed enough to meet a Giant Hawaiian 12 foot brother.
It's certainly an interesting theory. I must say as a person with Samoan heritage it does make me feel a little dissapointed, I always liked the idea of the the settlement of East Polynesia starting from Samoa.
There is no polynesia Micronesia or melanesia that's a white man's way of separating us. So samoa was not the gateway to settlement all the way up to Hawaii rapanui and down to aotearoa.
I don’t think this theory is consensus, so it’s still very possible that Samoa/ Tokelau was the region from where eastern Polynesia was settled.
Les ancêtres polynésienne de Samoa il sont voiagé dans la Polynésie française et des marquise il voiagé a Rapa nui magareva et des îles Tuamotu et aussi dans les îles Rapa rurutu tupuai rimatara raivaevae et il sont arrivés sur ils de humaine et Raiatea et il sont voiagé sur îles Cook Islande et il voiagé sur ils de nouvelle Zélande et la culture maori et né 🇵🇫🤙🤙🇼🇸🇦🇸🇭🇲🇹🇴et aussi il sont voiagé vers la mélanésie partagés leur Mana ancestrale polynésienne et aussi leur culture polynésienne et génétique polynésienne et Raiatea voiagé vers Hawaii et Micronési vers Hawaii ou Hawaii voiagé vers la Micronési
what the heck you talking about we are different races lol.. your called melanesia cause you look black @@originalclaymoreboy728
Thanks for sharing this informative video! You presentation is excellent for clarifying the new hypothesis and the nature of the supporting evidence in linguistics. Just looking at the archaeology side alone, the timing for the peopling of the Outliers was essentially the same as for East Polynesia, around the year 1000, most closely matching the notions of the "bifurcation" model but not necessarily rejecting the other possibilities. In other words, the NO-EP hypothesis cannot be proven or disproven through the archaeology evidence, so it remains viable and interesting.
Si Yu'os ma'ase' for your comment! I wondered what archaeologists think about the NO-EPn. So far I only know that Matthew Spriggs from ANU agrees with Wilson's Hypothesis and I haven't found any other statements from other archaeologists.. So hearing a comment from you, an archaeologist, is very insightful.
Wilson's theory seems logical. Can you briefly explain what was the basis for the conventional view?
I believe the basis usually stems from the precedent of Islanders migrating from West to East starting in the Bismarck Archipelago all the way to the Tonga-Samoa area. Cook Islands and the rest of East Polynesia is directly East of the Tonga-Samoa, so it seems logical that Islanders took the direct route East into the Cook Islands and the rest of East Polynesia, rather than from the Polynesian Northern Outliers which are further away and less of a direct route. Furthermore, less is known about the Outliers compared to the Tonga-Samoa area, so their is a bias.
The people with the new material culture and sailing abilities came from the west and they led the polynesian people into the rest of the pacific
Interesting hypothesis, but were oral traditions of East Polynesia taken into account? Because almost all of those point to West Polynesian origin.
Well presented.
What does he have to say about rapanui retaining some of the pp glottal stops only found in tongan? If the eastern Polynesians came from the outliers then wouldn't some of the other ep islands and the outliers also have these forms of these words?
Apologies as I'm not a linguist so some of these terms are foreign to me, but I do speak samoan and can recognise these changes and follow along.
One thing I'll say is that some of these word lists I see comparing Polynesian languages are often wrong in the samoan category. I'm guessing there linguists search dictionaries to compare words and forget to account for words changing in meaning over time. Plenty of proto-polynesian words became honorific in samoa whereas they're common words in east Polynesia.
I can't accept this theory because when you look into the oral traditions of these outliers, they either say they came from tokelau or samoa. It is annoying to me that no one seems to care about piecing together oral traditions of the various islands, surely there's some weight in the myths and legends of each island.
My theory is that after leaving Fiji, the original samoans and Tongans were separated for a long time each developing their own unique languages. The original eastern Polynesians then migrated from savaii and manua which can be gathered from the legends of "hawaiki" etc. I believe this was before samoa was known as samoa and Tonga wasn't unified, it was just the word for South.
Some time after samoan chiefs left to Tonga and exported their chiefly system there kind of like when the Normans invaded England. Centuries later tongans of samoan ancestry successfully invaded much of their surrounding islands including parts of samoa and exported some of their tongan words such as ha'u. If you look at tokelauan I believe it's less influenced by tonganisms and is closer to original samoan language
To me, the Maori language of nz is like an archaic form of samoan/tokelauan.
I also recognize samoan influence in Hawaiian
Rapanui closest language is Tahiti/cookislands/maori/Havaiki😂😂 stop bringing tonga up they have no close connection to the islands as their origins don't trace back to tonga.😂
All eastern polynesian can trace one line back to samoa before that Fiji but the other line south america.
@@originalclaymoreboy728the Native American ancestry in EP is minimal and likely only occurred once, a few time as most. There was a study done recently on this just can’t remember the name of the paper
So, Eastern Polynesian weren't directly came from Western Polynesian?
Is my comprehension correct?
Apa Kabar from Malaysia and I enjoyed the video 🙂
Yes, your comprehension is correct, according to linguist William Wilson, East Polynesia came from the Polynesian Northern Outliers rather than directly from West Polynesia. Terima kasih for watching!
Hafa Adai Pulan.
Linguistic evidence aside , the homogeneous Polynesian race developed in Western Polynesia in Samoa and Tonga before gradually spreading east , north , south and also west into the outliers centuries later.
Tonga has the most Lapita sites in all Polynesia known as Lapita origin settlement 😊
Good history