I think FRT1200 it ok I did drive all different models motorcycle back in the day? I did not test out Trikes & Can-Am yet because I was injury from bad fall at work 11 months in the hospital for therapy learn how walk again!
For a comparison, i think the ducati scrambler 1100 PRO...hear me out. Similar displacement, similar torquey V engine, close in price, and sort of off dirt capable but not really (if you dont get the desert sled).
The XSR900 is the most fun i have ever had on a bike. I'm no expert and i have only ridden 6 bikes, but that XSR900 is just so much fun! I'm saving up for one!
@armandoramirez875 yup. Mine had the stock exhaust and it sounded so much like a scooter, and with the throttle by wire, there wasn't much feedback in the throttle, so it felt like a scooter🤣only way I can describe it
i dunno i would think americans would be paid better than japanese or whatever other countries yamaha manufactures their bikes from and that probably helps people live better
Years ago maybe but have you seen our economy ? And the Japanese earn more all the time , they live pretty good except housing is high due to overpopulation ,for a island.@@Tom-bt8eg
If you do the upgrade to the xsr(suspension, brembo brakes) you'll be fairly close to the price of the ftr 🤷♂️but at least the ftr you got the nice rumble of a vtwin and no need to upgrade anything out of the box
I picked up a base model FTR almost 2yrs ago for $9400 out the door with 32mi on the odometer. I’ve owned 23 motorcycles and have ridden well over 300 in My life, from dirt bikes to super sport/sport standard to big cruisers, and the FTR has been My absolute favorite. Like you mentioned, it’s the odd quirkiness of the handling, and the brute force of that low/midrange torque that just thrills and causes big grins. It’s just so damn much fun.
Wow, this was incredibly entertaining and informative! Great video guys and Whitney! I really liked that you chose to compare the FTR 1200 to the XSR 900. Imo it is a super valid comparison. The quality of this channel's content just keeps getting better and better. Yall certainly deserve 1M subscribers and I can't wait for the turbo busa content. Best regards from Brasilia, Brazil. Edit: oh no that poor gixxer 250!!!!
I've had a FTR 1200 S (Race Replica) for 2 years now. Best upgrades were going to Continental Road Attack 3's (love the look of the Dunlop DT3-Rs, but they suck for handling), and putting an aftermarket tune on it to match the de-cat mod. I went with the Fuel Moto tune, but based on what I've read in the owners forums, the Lloyds Motorworks tune option is ever so slightly better.
The FTR is a "move the soul" type of bike. Yes, there are faster bikes, yeah there are better handling bikes, there aren't many bikes that have the premium finish of the FTR, but they are out there. The FTR is for the person who's soul is moved by the combination of things it does very well. You either get it, or you don't. If I was gonna compare it to any bike out there that has that same feel, it would be the Triumph Scrambler 1200, the Ducati desert sled, or the KTM SMCR.
I failed the course in college where they taught us how to evaluated intangibles, but I do know how to count. I wouldn't even get the XSR-900. I'd get the MT-09, except frankly it's too much bike for me. I have another weakness when it comes to impulse control.
"The FTR is for the person who's soul is moved by the combination of things it does very well. You either get it, or you don't." That's true for any bike.
Hey guys, I just bought the Rally 2022, my first Indian, bad ass bike. Just wanted to say knowing this bike for a short time, your assessment was excellent. Love how you both feed off each other. Brings out a truer assessment. This bike will never be kicked from the garage. Thanks again!!!
I really want to see the Indian FTR compared to the Honda rebel 1100, sportster s, and the ducati diavel. As all of these bike are in a new "sport cruiser" class
You should do an entire episode of Yam and Spite arguing, cracks me up :) I am surprised you have not compared it to the other giveaway - Rebel 1100...
Well change the dang tires on the thing to the sport tour batlax that everyone says is so great on the early ftrs. Give a thing away with better tires on it. It'll give the new owner safety margin. Plus you'll get too test it and definitively say if that's the way to go. Open up its secret squid side.
Did you guys forget about the BMW R nine T and The Ducati Scrambler 1100... heck even the Triumph Scrambler 1200 XC... All much better apples to apples bikes to compare with the Indian.
Want the best pounds to HP ratio- XSR (3.8lbs per 1HP to the FTR's 4.22lbs per 1HP) Want the best pounds per Tqs ratio- FTR (6.19lbs per 1Tq to the XSR's 6.6lbs per 1Tq) Just pick the bike you like to look at most. It's really that close after all.
The FTR Compares great against the following Bikes: CB1000R - Ducati Monster 1200 - XSR900 - Thruxton. I ended up picking the CB1000R and the Honda naked just did it right, and nobody knows what it is.
I like that you guys make videos for what I’m thinking was comparing the two also... FTR does have a little more style points and sliding fun. XSR=bare-bones wheelie machine
in yammie outro fashion ... change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR ... :D
Seems like it may compare to a Ducati scrambler 1100... the Ducati has less power but is still proper quick with an exhaust and a tune since it's much lighter. Similar vibes between the two bikes as well.
If I have the money and I can just pick the one I want, I’m taking the Indian 🤷🏻♂️. It just looks amazing! Of course the new model is going to be an even better street scorcher than the original version. Either way, I would get the Indian IF I could pick the one I want. In the real world I’m getting the Yamaha.
If I remember correctly Yammie slammed DanDan the firemans FTR when he rode it. Now hes really likes it. I like my FTR but its not perfect. But I got a hell of a deal on it.
@yammienoob what do you and spite think of the 2021 HD Street bob? Id love to see some content on the milwaukee 8, specifically the Street bob or lowrider s. Love the channel! Huge fan.
Id like to see it VS the sportster S, everyone compares a scout with the new sportster but that doesnt make any sense! Imo the ftr is more in its league
@@SquarewhiteTV Calling is a dumb comparison might be a little short sighted. The FTR and Sportster S are likely to be on the short list for prospective buyers of American bikes who aren't looking for the traditional cruiser. These two bikes have a similar look from the outside, similar power and drivetrain, and price. Maybe the differences come to the front as they are compared. There are plenty of similarities and differences between the two. Compare 'em!!!
@@mikebruce17 I think the Sportster S has more in common with the Indian Scout Bobber than the FTR, from the fat tires to the mid controls to the slammed suspension and low slung tank. Ride height and ergos are so different between the FTR and the S that it's like comparing an MT-09 to an ADV. The hypothetical buyer you're describing only has like three choices that meet your criteria, and if they're looking at the FTR I think they'd be more likely to look at naked bikes next than a performance cruiser
There's a joker in the deck. The Speed Triple RS 1050. A bit more than the XSR and a bit less than the FTR. Comes with all the goodies. Looks great, sounds great, impeccable build quality, really good power and torque, all in a single sided swing arm package.
It does. You cannot accuse the 2022 version as having poor handling. With decent rubber on the wheels, it grips well and drops into corners. Spirited riding is perfectly achievable. As for the weight, you just don't feel it. It's like a toy to ride.
Would not only love to see the triumph speed twin compared to it but would love to see you guys look at that bike in some way. I know the hipster triumph offerings are vast and confusing but the speed twin seems right up the Papa Yams's alley.
It seems like most of the problems with the FTR come down to the rubber. Would you guys consider swapping out the tyres for somthing sportier and doing another review ? Love the content 👍
Compare it to a Ducati Hypermotard…. Maybe. Hp is close. “Torges” close. Both V-twins. Both will slide the rear wheel around with ease. Price point is very similar depending on trim. SVE is like 14kish. Then there is the base and then the SP. Displacement, weight, and wheel size are the big differences. Unless you grab the new FTR. Then you can eliminate wheel size difference. 🍻
Great job one this one. For me there really is no comparing these 2 bikes at all. For me like cars or whatever the Yamaha would be a bike you’d buy with your head and Indian would be one you buy with your heart. Japanese bikes you buy for the reliability and price where the Indian yeah is about character. For me both would be fun which is the biggest factor of all and if you don’t find that fun factor it’s a bad choice either way.
Love my 2020 XSR. They make a great base to modify to your taste. They deserve a high quality suspension setup (Nitron stuff in mine). Some cosmetic upgrades and they are a brilliant and fast bike that can reflect your personality. They look a tonne better than the ugly as sin MT09
First of all...nice vid! I drove a FTR last year and it was really a fun bike ,...then I drove a MT09 ...design wise not my cup of tea...but man....the triple makes me smile all day long! I would rather stick to the triple...next week I think I will get a XSR 900 Abarth. What I think is also a point to go against the FTR is the price...as mentioned in the vid...12000 € here in EU i think it is worth it, but not 15 K in the entry level / black edition with a sporty exhaust. On top the bike I drove was quit new but had already rusted screws....hmmm not at this price point....as I said the FTR is really a lot of fun but the triple is just something! Greetings from Hamburg Germany
I'm a bit late, but I think I've figured out a good bike to compare to the FTR. The BMW r1250r is kind of similar. It is very unique, as it is designed like a sport naked, but it uses an air-cooled boxer engine. So both of these bikes are basically performance machines with the heart of a cruiser.
It’s a good point that if not for track, racing, bikes with character make great road bikes, it’s the foibles or unusual aspects that give them character, like my Rocket 🚀 3R 😎
I'd like to see that too, I'm torn on what torquey bike I want to move up to from my XSR700. MT09SP and the new Ftr1200 look good but the MT is cheaper.
I've owned a few bikes including an R1. My MT09 is a ton of fun. I'm not a speed junkie but I'm definitely a hooligan. Wheelies & rolling burnouts all day. MT09 is a perfect companion for having fun & not being too serious.
I sold mine after two years. Full exhaust, tuned, full suspension and all. I guess it wasn't my thing. It is a special bike. I recently got a gsxs1000 and have been enjoying it more even though it is/was stock. Just put new headers and getting it tuned. Bikers will always fine a reason to switch. I don't miss my mt09 2018 but have plenty of respect for it agter 10,000 miles.
The answer to this video is my bike the Triumph Speed Twin. It is closest to the fun factor of the XSR with the fit and finish of the FTR. I considered both of those bikes and also the Triumph scrambler XC. The Speedy is light torquey and handles great. Top end is disappointing but i'm not running from the popos!
Remember the HD XR1200X ? If only that bike wasnt build 15 years ago, but in 2021 with that new Sportster S engine in it and the modern screen and ride modes. THAT would be a bike to compare the FTR with.
Triumph Scrambler 1200 XE! More of a cruiser style bike like the FTR rather than a naked sport bike. Similar price range, also has top notch electronics (TC, IMU, etc).
@@thanksmark Heh, I liked it enough to buy it brand new, though I did get it for 3k off MSRP. Now that I own one, I absolutely love it. It's such an angry bitch that just wants to rip your arms off and beat you to death with them.
You need to compare the 2022 FTR against the 2021 FTR. There is a big difference in feel due to the different wheel and tire selection. Also they updated the throttle control on the 2022 model.
I like the XSR a lot more than the MT09. The MT series looks way too transformer mutant for my taste. The FZ09 was classy too, but I don't know if they make those anymore.
I now own a 2018 yamaha xsr900. Previously coming from a 2014 triumph thruxton 900. I like the Yamaha but it feels completely soulless and bland to ride (mine is completely stock), im hoping an exhaust will completely change that.
Maybe the FTR could be compared to another expensive, heavy, sporty twin cylinder bike with 1200cc and gobs of torgzzz made by your most beloved manufacturer…THE SPEED TWIN!!!
I've owned the speed twin and I have to disagree. Power is quite different in stats, feel of the bikes are loads different, ergonomics are different and the ftr is a far bigger bike in stance. I did love my speed twin until it has the headlight harness issue, then I sold it however I just can't see it being on a similar platform status with the ftr. I mean this respectfully. I'd like to hear your thoughts on why you would compare the two tho. :)
@@carstrucksboats I was just thinking they might be similar based on price, weight, general performance, although, as you mentioned the power is a bit different between the two in how it is delivered, and the use of the bike as a lumbering sporty torquey thing
@@mattcm32 I would say the triumph build "quality", not reliability, would be very similar to the Indian. The triumphs are very smooth riding bikes and have great throttle control and a great motor. The Indian is just more..... Peppy? Throttle happy? Unpredictable? Something along those lines. It's a bike that can scare the crap out of you lol the triumph I was never scared of, I always knew what the throttle was going to do. That allowed for a much more relaxing ride but the Indian is just not as relaxing, she's an animal lol
My FTR doesn’t have traction control or rider modes lol. Try sticking some Pirelli Rally STR tires on the FTR, it’s pretty tame around the corners with them. The Dunlop tires are a little Squeamish. There are not a lot of brands that make street tires for the 2019-2021 wheel sizes.
Supposedly you can retrofit it and any other base models with those abilities. At least that's what I was told at the dealership. The guy said the only thing the base models lack is the display and you can order it separately but it's a bit pricey. Everything else they need for those features is already there.
My pick would be a head to head with A Triumph Scrambler 1200.. Best new flat trackers out there, and very comparable imho, in all aspects.. Good vid, cheers!
I'd love for Triumph to make a lower displacement, lighter Scrambler. Something in the 400 cc to 600 cc range. A bike that's flickable and engaging to ride.
I know it's an old thread, but I own a 2007 Electra Glide, chipped, cammed, dyno'd at 115hp, and I'm wanting to add another motorcycle, and I'm currently trying to decide between the FTR - R carbon, and the BMW S1000XR.
Hey Yammie Noob... So what would happen if you were to throw some '17's and some racing v- shaped tires? Could you get more of a Sport Naked feel that you could Lean into?
@@Tyler.2488 yes exactly. I test rode the MT and though it’s low end was a bit more torquey….it just doesn’t feel good up top. The Z stays smooth and fast all the way
A bike with good torque is so amazing, mine is 87 lb-ft and even to overtake a vehicle you dont need to go down the gears, you stay in the same gear and just twist the throttle and it goes..
Compare it against the Aprilia Caponord 1200. Same torque numbers, same HP. Strip the panniers and take them both to the track and hit the twisties. (and DON'T leave the Cap ADD set to "Auto"'.)
I wish I could buy one of these. In Oz, we have Learner's licence process, where we are restricted to around 52HP, I was lazy and didnt't go full licence for 1.5 years because of the Lockdowns. Turns out, we are still restricted to 52HP even on full licence for the first 3 years! That will be 4.5 years on restricted motorcycles below 52HP! You guys are lucky in the US!
I’m in the US and have a modified Yamaha R3, honestly I’m keeping up and out riding other new riders on 600RR’s in the mountains. I do fall behind in the straights but not by much. 43RWHP.
Wouldn't mind seeing them compare the cb1000r compared to the ftr. They make power completely different. However, the styling language is pulling from similar ingredients. The costs are very close to each other. Would interesting to see how different they are
The 2022 XSR900 has a bigger engine (marginally, but still), more power (marginally, but still), more torque (marginally, but still), less unsprung mass (lighter wheels), improved geometry and suspension setup, a colour TFT screen, a 6-axis IMU with lean sensitive TC and cornering ABS and cruise control. It also has a bitchin' blue color scheme. It still costs more than 5 grand less than the FTR. The amount of mental gymnastics required to justify buying the Indian is probably exhausting.
Remember that FTR 1200 S in today's video is a giveaway bike! Go to www.yammienoobmerch.com to get some merch and get entered to win!
Have ya'll ridden the new FTR with the wheel/tire upgrade???
I think FRT1200 it ok I did drive all different models motorcycle back in the day? I did not test out Trikes & Can-Am yet because I was injury from bad fall at work 11 months in the hospital for therapy learn how walk again!
ftr1200 vs Ducati Monster...theyre almost the same bike!
For a comparison, i think the ducati scrambler 1100 PRO...hear me out. Similar displacement, similar torquey V engine, close in price, and sort of off dirt capable but not really (if you dont get the desert sled).
u should do the carbon vs mt10 and or that one
The XSR900 is the most fun i have ever had on a bike. I'm no expert and i have only ridden 6 bikes, but that XSR900 is just so much fun! I'm saving up for one!
Is yours stock? Just curious because I own a stock one and tbh it feels boring to ride at times and seems so scooter-like lol.
@@silentjmoto Try XSR700 or MT07. Although it is slower, the engine is so much fun and you won’t be in 1st and 2nd gear most of the time.
@@silentjmoto scooter like? lmfao
@@silentjmotoWat?
@armandoramirez875 yup. Mine had the stock exhaust and it sounded so much like a scooter, and with the throttle by wire, there wasn't much feedback in the throttle, so it felt like a scooter🤣only way I can describe it
As the owner of a 2019 XSR900, I've really been enjoying the content lately. Good stuff, guys!
I love my XSR900. The FTR sounds like a blast, but not worth paying 60+% more for the privilege.
i dunno i would think americans would be paid better than japanese or whatever other countries yamaha manufactures their bikes from and that probably helps people live better
Years ago maybe but have you seen our economy ? And the Japanese earn more all the time , they live pretty good except housing is high due to overpopulation ,for a island.@@Tom-bt8eg
If you do the upgrade to the xsr(suspension, brembo brakes) you'll be fairly close to the price of the ftr 🤷♂️but at least the ftr you got the nice rumble of a vtwin and no need to upgrade anything out of the box
Yammie keeping a straight face while saying "they had to shove all those eagles in the engine" was the best
I picked up a base model FTR almost 2yrs ago for $9400 out the door with 32mi on the odometer. I’ve owned 23 motorcycles and have ridden well over 300 in My life, from dirt bikes to super sport/sport standard to big cruisers, and the FTR has been My absolute favorite. Like you mentioned, it’s the odd quirkiness of the handling, and the brute force of that low/midrange torque that just thrills and causes big grins. It’s just so damn much fun.
Wow, this was incredibly entertaining and informative! Great video guys and Whitney! I really liked that you chose to compare the FTR 1200 to the XSR 900. Imo it is a super valid comparison. The quality of this channel's content just keeps getting better and better. Yall certainly deserve 1M subscribers and I can't wait for the turbo busa content. Best regards from Brasilia, Brazil. Edit: oh no that poor gixxer 250!!!!
I've had a FTR 1200 S (Race Replica) for 2 years now. Best upgrades were going to Continental Road Attack 3's (love the look of the Dunlop DT3-Rs, but they suck for handling), and putting an aftermarket tune on it to match the de-cat mod. I went with the Fuel Moto tune, but based on what I've read in the owners forums, the Lloyds Motorworks tune option is ever so slightly better.
Ducati Monster seems the quick to mind comparison.
This is the right answer, would have been more appropriate with the newer FTR on 17s
And the BMW R1250R 🤟🏼🍻🥨
Monster 937 is light like the 890r
The FTR is a "move the soul" type of bike. Yes, there are faster bikes, yeah there are better handling bikes, there aren't many bikes that have the premium finish of the FTR, but they are out there. The FTR is for the person who's soul is moved by the combination of things it does very well. You either get it, or you don't. If I was gonna compare it to any bike out there that has that same feel, it would be the Triumph Scrambler 1200, the Ducati desert sled, or the KTM SMCR.
I failed the course in college where they taught us how to evaluated intangibles, but I do know how to count. I wouldn't even get the XSR-900. I'd get the MT-09, except frankly it's too much bike for me. I have another weakness when it comes to impulse control.
"The FTR is for the person who's soul is moved by the combination of things it does very well. You either get it, or you don't."
That's true for any bike.
Hey guys, I just bought the Rally 2022, my first Indian, bad ass bike. Just wanted to say knowing this bike for a short time, your assessment was excellent. Love how you both feed off each other. Brings out a truer assessment. This bike will never be kicked from the garage. Thanks again!!!
I really want to see the Indian FTR compared to the Honda rebel 1100, sportster s, and the ducati diavel. As all of these bike are in a new "sport cruiser" class
Yes. 100% yes.
Lol the diavel by far is the fastest, should be considered a drag bike tbh
Duc scrambler 1100
Why the Honda Rebel? I can understand everything else on that list and maybe add Triumph Scrambler 1200 XE
@@brandonwalker6781 because the rebel 1100 is a "sport cruiser"
You should do an entire episode of Yam and Spite arguing, cracks me up :)
I am surprised you have not compared it to the other giveaway - Rebel 1100...
Well change the dang tires on the thing to the sport tour batlax that everyone says is so great on the early ftrs. Give a thing away with better tires on it. It'll give the new owner safety margin. Plus you'll get too test it and definitively say if that's the way to go. Open up its secret squid side.
Right?! Stop complaining about the stock tires and change them!
Did you guys forget about the BMW R nine T and The Ducati Scrambler 1100... heck even the Triumph Scrambler 1200 XC... All much better apples to apples bikes to compare with the Indian.
Yup!
Exactly 💯... Love the XSR tho
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Want the best pounds to HP ratio- XSR (3.8lbs per 1HP to the FTR's 4.22lbs per 1HP)
Want the best pounds per Tqs ratio- FTR (6.19lbs per 1Tq to the XSR's 6.6lbs per 1Tq)
Just pick the bike you like to look at most. It's really that close after all.
I’m 56 and been biking in Blighty all my life and believe it or not this is where I’m at! Great channels dudroids.🙏
The FTR Compares great against the following Bikes: CB1000R - Ducati Monster 1200 - XSR900 - Thruxton. I ended up picking the CB1000R and the Honda naked just did it right, and nobody knows what it is.
I have a 2011 CB1000r and haven’t found a bike that compares although I rode a 2023 FTR and loved it.
I like that you guys make videos for what I’m thinking was comparing the two also... FTR does have a little more style points and sliding fun. XSR=bare-bones wheelie machine
in yammie outro fashion ...
change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR, change the tires on the FTR ... :D
Seems like it may compare to a Ducati scrambler 1100... the Ducati has less power but is still proper quick with an exhaust and a tune since it's much lighter. Similar vibes between the two bikes as well.
That, and the Triumph 1200 Scrambler.
Listening to you two talk about the FTR together and individually has convinced me that it should have been an expert give away bike.
If I have the money and I can just pick the one I want, I’m taking the Indian 🤷🏻♂️. It just looks amazing! Of course the new model is going to be an even better street scorcher than the original version. Either way, I would get the Indian IF I could pick the one I want. In the real world I’m getting the Yamaha.
If I remember correctly Yammie slammed DanDan the firemans FTR when he rode it. Now hes really likes it. I like my FTR but its not perfect. But I got a hell of a deal on it.
yammie, i love your vids man. love from norway. keep it up my guy
@yammienoob what do you and spite think of the 2021 HD Street bob? Id love to see some content on the milwaukee 8, specifically the Street bob or lowrider s. Love the channel! Huge fan.
You need to get hold of a 2021 FTR with the 17 in tires and compare
Id like to see it VS the sportster S, everyone compares a scout with the new sportster but that doesnt make any sense! Imo the ftr is more in its league
They're similar in power specs but totally different in frame geometry, rider position, etc. Comparing the Sportster S to an FTR is dumb.
@@SquarewhiteTV Calling is a dumb comparison might be a little short sighted. The FTR and Sportster S are likely to be on the short list for prospective buyers of American bikes who aren't looking for the traditional cruiser. These two bikes have a similar look from the outside, similar power and drivetrain, and price. Maybe the differences come to the front as they are compared. There are plenty of similarities and differences between the two. Compare 'em!!!
@@mikebruce17 I think the Sportster S has more in common with the Indian Scout Bobber than the FTR, from the fat tires to the mid controls to the slammed suspension and low slung tank. Ride height and ergos are so different between the FTR and the S that it's like comparing an MT-09 to an ADV. The hypothetical buyer you're describing only has like three choices that meet your criteria, and if they're looking at the FTR I think they'd be more likely to look at naked bikes next than a performance cruiser
Cool. Thanks for elaborating👍 still would value seeing the bikes compared, but I get what you're saying.
I rode both today in Sturgis they are both very good bikes. A better comparison than you’d think.
Two 👍👍 up for that new comparison format. Very creative and entertaining!
Intangibles are hard to quantify. The feels count for so much in this purchase. You've just gotta test ride it if you're not sure what you want.
There's a joker in the deck. The Speed Triple RS 1050. A bit more than the XSR and a bit less than the FTR. Comes with all the goodies. Looks great, sounds great, impeccable build quality, really good power and torque, all in a single sided swing arm package.
Would still love to see you guys ride the 2022 ftr. The sporty tires and short wheelbase really change the bike!
It does. You cannot accuse the 2022 version as having poor handling. With decent rubber on the wheels, it grips well and drops into corners. Spirited riding is perfectly achievable. As for the weight, you just don't feel it. It's like a toy to ride.
Would not only love to see the triumph speed twin compared to it but would love to see you guys look at that bike in some way. I know the hipster triumph offerings are vast and confusing but the speed twin seems right up the Papa Yams's alley.
Absolutely! Can't understand how they never tested one or even talked about it.
It's definitely the one for me and i'm sure they would love it too
the speed twin is a beast and i think its the closest thing on market for comparing the ftr.. very similar bikes
I love my 2020 FTR Rally it is a ton of fun to ride. I wish it had a larger tank.
Yam what's your best spaghetti and meat ball recipe?
It seems like most of the problems with the FTR come down to the rubber. Would you guys consider swapping out the tyres for somthing sportier and doing another review ?
Love the content 👍
Compare it to a Ducati Hypermotard…. Maybe. Hp is close. “Torges” close. Both V-twins. Both will slide the rear wheel around with ease. Price point is very similar depending on trim. SVE is like 14kish. Then there is the base and then the SP. Displacement, weight, and wheel size are the big differences. Unless you grab the new FTR. Then you can eliminate wheel size difference. 🍻
Still a 100 lb weight difference.
@@derekeboyd it’s hard to find a comparison. That was my 1st idea though… plus them American bikes are thicc 😂
Great job one this one. For me there really is no comparing these 2 bikes at all. For me like cars or whatever the Yamaha would be a bike you’d buy with your head and Indian would be one you buy with your heart. Japanese bikes you buy for the reliability and price where the Indian yeah is about character. For me both would be fun which is the biggest factor of all and if you don’t find that fun factor it’s a bad choice either way.
Just realized you guys picked up Whitney as your camera woman after renting her bike off Twisted Roads. Pretty sweet!!
YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!
Papa Yam and Uncle Spite have answered my prayers
Love my 2020 XSR. They make a great base to modify to your taste. They deserve a high quality suspension setup (Nitron stuff in mine). Some cosmetic upgrades and they are a brilliant and fast bike that can reflect your personality. They look a tonne better than the ugly as sin MT09
Holyshit I'm getting better with yannies video timing
Love from Poland 🇵🇱
The FTR is the Monster Ducati SHOULD have made- especially now that they come with sporty rubber. Especially with the akro high mount exhaust!
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‘They had to shove all the eagles in there.’
That’s where I lost it.🤣😂😂😂😂
Always been a fan of the FTR's styling. Would love to see a comparison between this and the Ducati Monster 1200S.
Im trapped between both of these bikes. And for the heavy price tag between them both I have to make the right decision.
You need to compare the FTR 1200 against the new Sportster S. That’s who HD made it to compete against, price and size wise.
@@jordanjoestar8839 Have you seen the XLCR design that Harley released?
You need to redo this video with the modern 2023 bikes as they’ve both seen improvements and you definitely love the new XSR.
Yammie what year did you buy the Haga helmet ⛑? It’s probably more then 5 yrs old?
Before you change the tires, you guys should flat track the FTR
First of all...nice vid! I drove a FTR last year and it was really a fun bike ,...then I drove a MT09 ...design wise not my cup of tea...but man....the triple makes me smile all day long! I would rather stick to the triple...next week I think I will get a XSR 900 Abarth. What I think is also a point to go against the FTR is the price...as mentioned in the vid...12000 € here in EU i think it is worth it, but not 15 K in the entry level / black edition with a sporty exhaust. On top the bike I drove was quit new but had already rusted screws....hmmm not at this price point....as I said the FTR is really a lot of fun but the triple is just something! Greetings from Hamburg Germany
Here in the Netherlands the price difference was even more, €11600 for the XSR900 and €21790 for the FTR1200
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I'm a bit late, but I think I've figured out a good bike to compare to the FTR. The BMW r1250r is kind of similar. It is very unique, as it is designed like a sport naked, but it uses an air-cooled boxer engine. So both of these bikes are basically performance machines with the heart of a cruiser.
Gotta get you all to 1 Million Subs!!!
It’s a good point that if not for track, racing, bikes with character make great road bikes, it’s the foibles or unusual aspects that give them character, like my Rocket 🚀 3R 😎
I'd like to see it compared to the MT-09 SP, top of the line MT vs the FTR. I think that's a bit more fair cost vs cost.
I'd like to see that too, I'm torn on what torquey bike I want to move up to from my XSR700. MT09SP and the new Ftr1200 look good but the MT is cheaper.
I've owned a few bikes including an R1.
My MT09 is a ton of fun. I'm not a speed junkie but I'm definitely a hooligan. Wheelies & rolling burnouts all day. MT09 is a perfect companion for having fun & not being too serious.
I sold mine after two years. Full exhaust, tuned, full suspension and all. I guess it wasn't my thing. It is a special bike. I recently got a gsxs1000 and have been enjoying it more even though it is/was stock. Just put new headers and getting it tuned. Bikers will always fine a reason to switch. I don't miss my mt09 2018 but have plenty of respect for it agter 10,000 miles.
FTR is my favorite bike I’ve owned. It’s one of a kind and a freaking blast!!!
The answer to this video is my bike the Triumph Speed Twin. It is closest to the fun factor of the XSR with the fit and finish of the FTR. I considered both of those bikes and also the Triumph scrambler XC. The Speedy is light torquey and handles great. Top end is disappointing but i'm not running from the popos!
In a messed up way it reminds me of a Harley Davidson fat Bob
Remember the HD XR1200X ?
If only that bike wasnt build 15 years ago, but in 2021 with that new Sportster S engine in it and the modern screen and ride modes.
THAT would be a bike to compare the FTR with.
Screw the sportster S engine imagine with the pan america engine instead it would be a beast !!
Triumph Scrambler 1200 XE! More of a cruiser style bike like the FTR rather than a naked sport bike. Similar price range, also has top notch electronics (TC, IMU, etc).
Compare it to a Katana. Similar power and weight, both modern retro styling, both hooligans.
Thinking that Katana is anything other than ugly is beyond me.
But to each their own.
@@thanksmark Heh, I liked it enough to buy it brand new, though I did get it for 3k off MSRP. Now that I own one, I absolutely love it. It's such an angry bitch that just wants to rip your arms off and beat you to death with them.
@@Damiv hahaha well I'm glad you love it! two wheels are two wheels! :)
Here in Austin you could get a new katana for 9k....147hp man.
@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 I paid 10 here on the east coast. Worth every penny.
You need to compare the 2022 FTR against the 2021 FTR. There is a big difference in feel due to the different wheel and tire selection. Also they updated the throttle control on the 2022 model.
I like the XSR a lot more than the MT09. The MT series looks way too transformer mutant for my taste. The FZ09 was classy too, but I don't know if they make those anymore.
fz09=mt09. they just called it the fz09 in north america. same bike as the mt09 anywhere else
@@deesnutz42069 ah so I think it's the 2015 model year MT with the more normal looking headlight that I prefer.
Ever since spending some time on a few supermotos, I can’t stomach 500 pound bikes anymore, no matter how beautiful they are.
Comparing two of my favorite bikes for the street. Smart I Say you, not weird.
Only bike to even kinda compete with the XSR900?!? The XSR900.
I now own a 2018 yamaha xsr900. Previously coming from a 2014 triumph thruxton 900. I like the Yamaha but it feels completely soulless and bland to ride (mine is completely stock), im hoping an exhaust will completely change that.
Maybe the FTR could be compared to another expensive, heavy, sporty twin cylinder bike with 1200cc and gobs of torgzzz made by your most beloved manufacturer…THE SPEED TWIN!!!
I've owned the speed twin and I have to disagree. Power is quite different in stats, feel of the bikes are loads different, ergonomics are different and the ftr is a far bigger bike in stance. I did love my speed twin until it has the headlight harness issue, then I sold it however I just can't see it being on a similar platform status with the ftr. I mean this respectfully. I'd like to hear your thoughts on why you would compare the two tho. :)
@@carstrucksboats I was just thinking they might be similar based on price, weight, general performance, although, as you mentioned the power is a bit different between the two in how it is delivered, and the use of the bike as a lumbering sporty torquey thing
@@mattcm32 I would say the triumph build "quality", not reliability, would be very similar to the Indian. The triumphs are very smooth riding bikes and have great throttle control and a great motor. The Indian is just more..... Peppy? Throttle happy? Unpredictable? Something along those lines. It's a bike that can scare the crap out of you lol the triumph I was never scared of, I always knew what the throttle was going to do. That allowed for a much more relaxing ride but the Indian is just not as relaxing, she's an animal lol
My FTR doesn’t have traction control or rider modes lol. Try sticking some Pirelli Rally STR tires on the FTR, it’s pretty tame around the corners with them. The Dunlop tires are a little Squeamish. There are not a lot of brands that make street tires for the 2019-2021 wheel sizes.
Supposedly you can retrofit it and any other base models with those abilities. At least that's what I was told at the dealership. The guy said the only thing the base models lack is the display and you can order it separately but it's a bit pricey. Everything else they need for those features is already there.
Compare the FTR to various ADV bikes because why not. ADV's are pretty popular so it might make a good baseline.
Maybe the HD Pan American???
My pick would be a head to head with A Triumph Scrambler 1200.. Best new flat trackers out there, and very comparable imho, in all aspects.. Good vid, cheers!
I'd love for Triumph to make a lower displacement, lighter Scrambler. Something in the 400 cc to 600 cc range. A bike that's flickable and engaging to ride.
How about comparing it to the Triumph scrambler 1200?or the speed twin?
I know it's an old thread, but I own a 2007 Electra Glide, chipped, cammed, dyno'd at 115hp, and I'm wanting to add another motorcycle, and I'm currently trying to decide between the FTR - R carbon, and the BMW S1000XR.
Considering the update on the 2022 XSR900, I think this isn't a question anymore. XSR All Day!!
Hey Yammie Noob... So what would happen if you were to throw some '17's and some racing
v- shaped tires? Could you get more of a Sport Naked feel that you could Lean into?
Yammie I’m still waiting for you to get on and try out z900 platform and give a review it’s a very under looked bike
I have a 21’ Z900 and it’s amazing
@@westabon420 same I have a 19 and they scream man way more refined and smoother than mt 09
@@Tyler.2488 yes exactly. I test rode the MT and though it’s low end was a bit more torquey….it just doesn’t feel good up top. The Z stays smooth and fast all the way
@@westabon420 100 percent correct the z just don’t have the hype of the “wheelie monster” mt’s do even tho they are a better bike so underlooked
seen it compared to Svartpilen 701 for best hooligan bike. is this a fair comparison?
A bike with good torque is so amazing, mine is 87 lb-ft and even to overtake a vehicle you dont need to go down the gears, you stay in the same gear and just twist the throttle and it goes..
Should compare FTR to Speed Twin and Z900rs
I like the Kawi....👍
Compare it against the Aprilia Caponord 1200. Same torque numbers, same HP. Strip the panniers and take them both to the track and hit the twisties. (and DON'T leave the Cap ADD set to "Auto"'.)
Like to see this revisited with the new FTR carbon with the smaller wheelbase and 17 inch wheels vs the new XSR900
I wish I could buy one of these.
In Oz, we have Learner's licence process, where we are restricted to around 52HP, I was lazy and didnt't go full licence for 1.5 years because of the Lockdowns.
Turns out, we are still restricted to 52HP even on full licence for the first 3 years! That will be 4.5 years on restricted motorcycles below 52HP!
You guys are lucky in the US!
I’m in the US and have a modified Yamaha R3, honestly I’m keeping up and out riding other new riders on 600RR’s in the mountains. I do fall behind in the straights but not by much. 43RWHP.
The outro in this video is my favorite so far.
BMW - R nine t scrambler 1200cc
Triumph - Bonneville 1200
Wouldn't mind seeing them compare the cb1000r compared to the ftr. They make power completely different. However, the styling language is pulling from similar ingredients. The costs are very close to each other. Would interesting to see how different they are
I have a 2011 CB1000r and I’m looking at a 2023 FTR.
Triumph Speed Twin vs FTR seems like a close comparison
The FTR Compares perfectly to BMW R nine T
Thays exactly what I was thinking.
Good to see Whitney's xsr has some new rubber
Maybe an interesting comparison would be vs the BMW R NineT (Urban GS?). Weird, large as fuck engine in a street package, inspired by off-road spirit?
The FTR actually starts at 13k, the big boy in the series is the race replica (carbon edition now) which is 17k. It was cheaper...
LOL, I think this is the only motorcycle channel that plays string music in the background.
I’d say compare the FTR to the Harley street rod, both are weird heavy American cruiser naked hybrids
What type of bike does yams ride for his daily? I've got the ftr rr as my first bike
Compare the FTR to the Sportster S. I just rode both in Sturgis today. I was blown away by both engines and the FTR corners better but not by much.
Why does yammie do so many valve clearance checks on the GSXR? lol
Put it against cb1000r abs or z900rs. All priced very close to each other. Plus the looks.
Since it stems from a off-road setup, made to be driven slide-ways, is the FTR a secret Ducati Hypermotard or Aprilia Dorsoduro competitor?
The 2022 XSR900 has a bigger engine (marginally, but still), more power (marginally, but still), more torque (marginally, but still), less unsprung mass (lighter wheels), improved geometry and suspension setup, a colour TFT screen, a 6-axis IMU with lean sensitive TC and cornering ABS and cruise control. It also has a bitchin' blue color scheme. It still costs more than 5 grand less than the FTR. The amount of mental gymnastics required to justify buying the Indian is probably exhausting.