Thanks, needed to hear the 2 handed wrist curl with barbell.... I do it a lot.... and I did have that thought cross my mind thinking "feels like this ain't good cause my hands want to curl naturally" but I didn't listen.... this confirms...
Before you completely write it off you should try it with your elbows tucked closer together than your hands - basically trying to touch your elbows (Coach Ray and all the Latvians do this) - and it should allow you the range of motion you need in a two-handed wrist curl.
Hey Chris, I approached you at the Cobra Classic(I’m sure others did as well) just wanted to say nice to meet you and thank you for all the content. 💪🏽
Hi Chris, could you make a video on gaining weight to get stronger for armwrestling, how effective it is, when and how to do it, should you even do it. Im sure it will help plenty of people. Greatly appreciated!!
Man I was 230lbs at 18 I’ve never gained weight for armwrestling. Rapid weight changes are mostly water and not useful. Most people will perform best at whatever weight they settle at naturally. Dieting into lighter weight classes is usually detrimental too.
thanks for the content! i have a question about the riser lift, but, you have comments turned off - maybe that's because you don't want to hear them, but, i'm hoping it was a misclick or something, cause you never have them off (that i'm aware). i get why you wouldn't loop a strap around your wrist and hang it over the side of your hand. that seems more like a pronation lift. but, is it also not right to hang it over both sides (no loop around wrist)? i make a fist and hang the strap over the fist knuckle and door knocking knuckle of my pointer. i can see why this wouldn't target as well if it was nearer my wrist or my forearm wasn't parallel with the floor. but, neither of those are the case.
The loop is just so you don't have to squeeze the belt with your fingers when doing the riser which you would have to do if you were just grabbing a belt. If you just have a loop and put all 4 fingers through the loop like here th-cam.com/video/YIhpyoX3mTE/w-d-xo.html then you lower the connection point into your hand and get a bit of extra leverage.
Yeah and that team seems to struggle with elbow and wrist pains a lot. Janis can barely compete because he's always injured. It's strange because he's a physical therapist, you'd think he'd understand that some of the exercises he designed for his club aren't good for the body.
Thanks. Somehow after you started following me, several other people followed by Nathan Holle did as well. That feels neat because there’s a bit of overlap in our sports and to me the guy has basically been like royalty for the 15 years I’ve known his name.
@@ChrisDrummondAW no worries man, yes Nathan is a grip god and we have a lot of the same followers on here. He is such a humble guy, very low key but one of the strongest guys in the world grip wise. I started your thumb exercises a couple of weeks back and I've gained thumb size already from your exercises and I know other grip guys who I talk to have followed suit as I've been sharing your thumb training video . I also follow you on Instagram. I'm into grip training and have been grip mad for years but yes grip training and arm wrestling sure have overlap training wise. I've been an AW fan for over 20 years ive just never had the chance to try it as it's more niche here in the north east of England but I'm excited as a local club has just opened so I'm going to try it out. Yesterday I tested my pronation and riser strength Strict like Devon does and got 30kg/66lbs pronation and 25kg/55lb riser. I uploaded the vids to my TH-cam channel. I was told on the Reddit AW that 25kg/55lb is a fairly decent riser strength for a beginner and someone who weighs 74kg/163lb. My grip and wrist training has gave me a good head start I think for AW training.
I agree with 100% I think think training pronation, starting in subnated grip to nuteral is waste of time! Also first time watching your video! And you got a new sub!
Thanks for the sub. Don’t agree about the pronation, though, that range is pretty critical for developing the brachioradialis which is the main drive resisting being supinated.
Thanks for the content. I sub for a few weeks now and been catching up on your videos plus other arm wrestling videos. I’m taking time off from powerlifting. Also crazy a lot of people is swapping over but I have always been interested in this sport. So my question is one table session a week good enough for me as a beginner? The reason am asking am so freaking sore because I get separated all the time. Just being told I don’t have the tendon strength yet. Talking about getting destroyed by everyone. I use the WestSide power lifting method for powerlifting but I just can’t hold up from being sore from table time and doing my 4 lifting days. Do you have any suggestions? Btw I have basically stopped squatting and deadlifting. Just do it so my body don’t forget how to it’s 3 sets of at 50% of my last max.
Pulling every week is ok if you don’t go too hard. If you’re getting ripped open then your training partners aren’t doing you any favors and you need to let matches go. I rarely get on the table for practice except for right before a tournament so I don’t have to manage table soreness with westside for armwrestling.
Hey brother. There a lot of ways of to train pronation. Im always getting into hook, and I have a small hand. So, how should we need to work out pronation? Thanks for all videos. 👊👍
Try dropping your knuckles and elevating your thumb/wrist in the setup to protect your pronation more. The exercises are pretty basic, just pronating with a belt on your thumb is the best way to train the movement in my opinion.
Barbell wrist curls can work though as the Latvian team have shown if you tuck both your elbows really close to each other but I understand some people may lack the mobility for this. Awesome advice regardless though. Keep it up!
@@ChrisDrummondAW Huh? When you tuck your elbows closer than your hands the line in the hands you were talking about stays straight and you can freely curl instead of deviating like you said.
@@the9th96 No, it doesn't. The only way that line stays straight and parallel to the ground is if you only half-bend your wrist. Elbow position is irrelevant - the hand moves relative to the forearm when flexing the wrist so changing the starting position in space will never change the fact that your hands deviate during wrist flexion and they deviate in opposite directions. I used to have Sandris programming for me and this was a point of disagreement. Ultimately it came down to him saying "that's just the right way to do it" and being unable to resolve the fact that the only way to do the reps was to loosen the grip on the bar and let the bar move within the hand. And it's no wonder that Janis, who originally taught all these guys what to do, is too banged up from training to compete often.
@@ChrisDrummondAW I understand what you're saying but saying starting position doesn't help with that is just completely wrong. If I do a normal two-hand wrist curl with the barbell - Yes. Everything you are saying is correct and it is awful and nobody should be doing that at all so there is no contention there from me. Again - I agree with you here. I also agree that there are probably way better alternatives to this. But if I do the same thing, hands in the same position - only now - I move my elbows in and they are completely tucked in together and touching, I am able to do it with not only better range of motion but the biomechanics of my palm deviating isn't causing an impediment along the way. I subbed to you because I think you fill an information hole in terms of content for Armwrestling and I like what you say but I'm just going to have to disagree with you here man. If they don't work for you that is fine and if you disagree with the Latvian system that is fine too. Not all exercises and systems work for everyone. You might think it's not optimal to train with barbell wrist curls or use certain exercises but I'm gonna have to go with the people who are winning world titles like Sandris on this here.
It's fine, he knows what he's doing. I think he overisolates some things but he doesn't make any glaring mistakes. He's the champ, it clearly works well enough.
@@maqenza I don't think that doing just wrist rise with the strap on the hand is as good as doing it over the knuckles but if he consistently deals with pain in his metacarpals and knuckles then that's what he has to do. It's fine, he's taking the arm out by putting that sling on. As far as the backpressure, that does mimic the straps more. It's not wrong but it does let you lift more without adding any extra benefit. It's fine, we just have to remember there's going to be a 10-20% higher lift that way than just on the hand.
Thank god I don't do any of these😌 But sir, could you do a video on training at arm break position? Cuz I've noticed that my arm is nowhere near breaking despite pulling over 20kg weights on really bad positions
20kg isn’t very much so that doesn’t mean your arm is safe there, and you have no idea how close you are to breaking it. If it was so easy to know then nobody would ever break their arms.
@@ChrisDrummondAW but why do people say 15lbs of torque at arm break position is enough to cause fractures?🤔 When I have been exerting way more than 15lbs on my humerus without getting remotely hurt
@@bmad1386 It is enough to cause fractures with the average person, but only if the bone gets overflexed in that direction. What specific bad positions are you talking about? With your hand outside of your shoulders? Or with just side pressure? If your arms are a little more flexible, like Devon, you probably could get your hand outside of your shoulders a bit without too much trouble....but dont push it. I can tell if i`m overdoing it.
@@ChrisDrummondAW I mostly agree although i`d argue your body does let you know when its on the verge of serious injury, but many dont notice or dont recognize the signs. There would be a sharp pain in your arm, and probably more than sharp, if its about to break. There were times when i was arm wrestling, and suddenly did a move i perhaps shouldnt have, and immediately felt a sharp pain and stopped pulling. My opponent stopped as well, which would have been probably bad if he didnt. But, the pain was probably from micro injuries to my bone and/or muscle inflammation. Sometimes, there is probably no pain till it happens....i`m not entirely sure, but there likely would be some pain, which they might attribute to something less serious and keep pulling.
doesnt travis bagent take ankle wraps around his forearms and move sideways to train side pressure specifically that way? I saw a seminar online where he talked about this.
You shouldn’t feel joint or connective tissue pain. Without more information it’s impossible to know but it’s most likely the way you grip the dumbbell, your range of motion, or the degree of deviation in your wrist at the start and through the range of motion.
My upper wrist is hurting since 30 days probably i have consulted to my physiotherapist he said it's normal because of extra stress at the tendons I'm iceing and stretching will it be fine sir please tell me I'm really worried 🙃
Why would you do that instead of using a wrist wrench? Using a belt like that takes more load off the wrist. It’s better than nothing I guess but I don’t know why you would do that except to try to lift heavier weights than your wrist can handle which usually makes elbow pain worse.
@@ChrisDrummondAW I do 2 sidepressure exercises! When the cable comes from up and infront of me i use a wristwrench or spinning handle. The 2nd exercise i often use a strap because i want to take load of the wrist. Focusing on internal rotation. The bulgarians often do this exercise and its great
@@Larsse1 - A belt works great if you are working supination or pronation, but the rule is to force your hand and wrist to keep up, otherwise you are just destroying your elbow for nothing. The wrist wrench is great, but it doesn’t work pronation or supination in a hook or top roll.
This is the great educational content I've subbed for. Appreciate it a lot dude
Timestamps for these kinds of videos would actually be really convenient ;-;.
0:38 barbell wrist curls with both hands
3:09 already bent wrist big handle exercises
6:15 pulling with a belt without using the fingers
@@schrodingerchainsawthanks!
I really like your straight forward content!
This is my go to channel for info. Keep up the good work!
Thanks, needed to hear the 2 handed wrist curl with barbell.... I do it a lot.... and I did have that thought cross my mind thinking "feels like this ain't good cause my hands want to curl naturally" but I didn't listen.... this confirms...
Before you completely write it off you should try it with your elbows tucked closer together than your hands - basically trying to touch your elbows (Coach Ray and all the Latvians do this) - and it should allow you the range of motion you need in a two-handed wrist curl.
yeah i feel a sorta crackin in my wrist when i did these. 1 arm wrist curls feel significantly better, but less time efficient.
Hey Chris, I approached you at the Cobra Classic(I’m sure others did as well) just wanted to say nice to meet you and thank you for all the content. 💪🏽
Dont know what to say .....so educative....❤
Hi Chris, could you make a video on gaining weight to get stronger for armwrestling, how effective it is, when and how to do it, should you even do it.
Im sure it will help plenty of people. Greatly appreciated!!
Man I was 230lbs at 18 I’ve never gained weight for armwrestling. Rapid weight changes are mostly water and not useful. Most people will perform best at whatever weight they settle at naturally. Dieting into lighter weight classes is usually detrimental too.
thanks for the content!
i have a question about the riser lift, but, you have comments turned off - maybe that's because you don't want to hear them, but, i'm hoping it was a misclick or something, cause you never have them off (that i'm aware).
i get why you wouldn't loop a strap around your wrist and hang it over the side of your hand. that seems more like a pronation lift. but, is it also not right to hang it over both sides (no loop around wrist)? i make a fist and hang the strap over the fist knuckle and door knocking knuckle of my pointer. i can see why this wouldn't target as well if it was nearer my wrist or my forearm wasn't parallel with the floor. but, neither of those are the case.
The loop is just so you don't have to squeeze the belt with your fingers when doing the riser which you would have to do if you were just grabbing a belt. If you just have a loop and put all 4 fingers through the loop like here th-cam.com/video/YIhpyoX3mTE/w-d-xo.html then you lower the connection point into your hand and get a bit of extra leverage.
get this guy to a 1000 subs already
+20 since this video already, it's coming along. Thanks for the support.
Arent you the austrian national champion???
Coach ray suggest them as a part of a wrist workout. Personally I prefer single hand barbell wrist curl.
They create videos for views. I don't care what they say. Last 4 years of training videos are useless.
Yeah and that team seems to struggle with elbow and wrist pains a lot. Janis can barely compete because he's always injured. It's strange because he's a physical therapist, you'd think he'd understand that some of the exercises he designed for his club aren't good for the body.
@@yorumcu31 So you don't take advice from pro arm wrestlers because you think they do it for view's?? 😅😅.. ..Yeah yeah...
@@Brian_Saginashvili_ Yeah yeah.
@@yorumcu31 fully downs
This is gold 👍
Thanks. Somehow after you started following me, several other people followed by Nathan Holle did as well. That feels neat because there’s a bit of overlap in our sports and to me the guy has basically been like royalty for the 15 years I’ve known his name.
@@ChrisDrummondAW no worries man, yes Nathan is a grip god and we have a lot of the same followers on here. He is such a humble guy, very low key but one of the strongest guys in the world grip wise. I started your thumb exercises a couple of weeks back and I've gained thumb size already from your exercises and I know other grip guys who I talk to have followed suit as I've been sharing your thumb training video . I also follow you on Instagram. I'm into grip training and have been grip mad for years but yes grip training and arm wrestling sure have overlap training wise. I've been an AW fan for over 20 years ive just never had the chance to try it as it's more niche here in the north east of England but I'm excited as a local club has just opened so I'm going to try it out.
Yesterday I tested my pronation and riser strength Strict like Devon does and got 30kg/66lbs pronation and 25kg/55lb riser. I uploaded the vids to my TH-cam channel. I was told on the Reddit AW that 25kg/55lb is a fairly decent riser strength for a beginner and someone who weighs 74kg/163lb. My grip and wrist training has gave me a good head start I think for AW training.
Great content, thanks!
Broke my arm while arm wrestling i would never arm wrestle again . Technique is important ver important lol
Spot on
I agree with 100%
I think think training pronation, starting in subnated grip to nuteral is waste of time! Also first time watching your video! And you got a new sub!
Thanks for the sub. Don’t agree about the pronation, though, that range is pretty critical for developing the brachioradialis which is the main drive resisting being supinated.
Damn Genadi needs to check out this video.
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Thanks for the content. I sub for a few weeks now and been catching up on your videos plus other arm wrestling videos. I’m taking time off from powerlifting. Also crazy a lot of people is swapping over but I have always been interested in this sport. So my question is one table session a week good enough for me as a beginner? The reason am asking am so freaking sore because I get separated all the time. Just being told I don’t have the tendon strength yet. Talking about getting destroyed by everyone. I use the WestSide power lifting method for powerlifting but I just can’t hold up from being sore from table time and doing my 4 lifting days. Do you have any suggestions? Btw I have basically stopped squatting and deadlifting. Just do it so my body don’t forget how to it’s 3 sets of at 50% of my last max.
Pulling every week is ok if you don’t go too hard. If you’re getting ripped open then your training partners aren’t doing you any favors and you need to let matches go. I rarely get on the table for practice except for right before a tournament so I don’t have to manage table soreness with westside for armwrestling.
lol just stop doing wetside, theres a reason all those guys look like shit, are crippled and get outlifted by guys smaller than them
Science says our tendons need about 10 days for recovery. So if you feel huge soreness maybe it's better to have another table time after 2 weeks.
Hey brother. There a lot of ways of to train pronation. Im always getting into hook, and I have a small hand. So, how should we need to work out pronation? Thanks for all videos. 👊👍
Try dropping your knuckles and elevating your thumb/wrist in the setup to protect your pronation more. The exercises are pretty basic, just pronating with a belt on your thumb is the best way to train the movement in my opinion.
Barbell wrist curls can work though as the Latvian team have shown if you tuck both your elbows really close to each other but I understand some people may lack the mobility for this. Awesome advice regardless though. Keep it up!
It doesn’t change anything about what I said.
@@ChrisDrummondAW Huh? When you tuck your elbows closer than your hands the line in the hands you were talking about stays straight and you can freely curl instead of deviating like you said.
@@the9th96 No, it doesn't. The only way that line stays straight and parallel to the ground is if you only half-bend your wrist. Elbow position is irrelevant - the hand moves relative to the forearm when flexing the wrist so changing the starting position in space will never change the fact that your hands deviate during wrist flexion and they deviate in opposite directions.
I used to have Sandris programming for me and this was a point of disagreement. Ultimately it came down to him saying "that's just the right way to do it" and being unable to resolve the fact that the only way to do the reps was to loosen the grip on the bar and let the bar move within the hand. And it's no wonder that Janis, who originally taught all these guys what to do, is too banged up from training to compete often.
@@ChrisDrummondAW I understand what you're saying but saying starting position doesn't help with that is just completely wrong. If I do a normal two-hand wrist curl with the barbell - Yes. Everything you are saying is correct and it is awful and nobody should be doing that at all so there is no contention there from me. Again - I agree with you here. I also agree that there are probably way better alternatives to this.
But if I do the same thing, hands in the same position - only now - I move my elbows in and they are completely tucked in together and touching, I am able to do it with not only better range of motion but the biomechanics of my palm deviating isn't causing an impediment along the way.
I subbed to you because I think you fill an information hole in terms of content for Armwrestling and I like what you say but I'm just going to have to disagree with you here man. If they don't work for you that is fine and if you disagree with the Latvian system that is fine too. Not all exercises and systems work for everyone. You might think it's not optimal to train with barbell wrist curls or use certain exercises but I'm gonna have to go with the people who are winning world titles like Sandris on this here.
Nice 👍
What about Devon’s high and low cup multi? His wrist is pretty bend while lifting
Always a good day when I find out I'm not doing any of these lol
Hi sir. I have a question.
What about table bicep curl for hook?
It’s not a bad exercise but it’s not nearly as important as other things.
@@ChrisDrummondAW okay. Thank you for the response.
What do you think about rino masic's way of training rising
It's fine, he knows what he's doing. I think he overisolates some things but he doesn't make any glaring mistakes. He's the champ, it clearly works well enough.
@@maqenza I don't think that doing just wrist rise with the strap on the hand is as good as doing it over the knuckles but if he consistently deals with pain in his metacarpals and knuckles then that's what he has to do. It's fine, he's taking the arm out by putting that sling on. As far as the backpressure, that does mimic the straps more. It's not wrong but it does let you lift more without adding any extra benefit. It's fine, we just have to remember there's going to be a 10-20% higher lift that way than just on the hand.
Thank god I don't do any of these😌
But sir, could you do a video on training at arm break position?
Cuz I've noticed that my arm is nowhere near breaking despite pulling over 20kg weights on really bad positions
20kg isn’t very much so that doesn’t mean your arm is safe there, and you have no idea how close you are to breaking it. If it was so easy to know then nobody would ever break their arms.
@@ChrisDrummondAW but why do people say 15lbs of torque at arm break position is enough to cause fractures?🤔
When I have been exerting way more than 15lbs on my humerus without getting remotely hurt
@@bmad1386 It is enough to cause fractures with the average person, but only if the bone gets overflexed in that direction. What specific bad positions are you talking about? With your hand outside of your shoulders? Or with just side pressure? If your arms are a little more flexible, like Devon, you probably could get your hand outside of your shoulders a bit without too much trouble....but dont push it. I can tell if i`m overdoing it.
@@ChrisDrummondAW I mostly agree although i`d argue your body does let you know when its on the verge of serious injury, but many dont notice or dont recognize the signs. There would be a sharp pain in your arm, and probably more than sharp, if its about to break. There were times when i was arm wrestling, and suddenly did a move i perhaps shouldnt have, and immediately felt a sharp pain and stopped pulling. My opponent stopped as well, which would have been probably bad if he didnt. But, the pain was probably from micro injuries to my bone and/or muscle inflammation. Sometimes, there is probably no pain till it happens....i`m not entirely sure, but there likely would be some pain, which they might attribute to something less serious and keep pulling.
100%
Straight bar is not convenient. EZ is the way to go.
No… ez bars are shit for wrist curls too. You’re stuck with one angle for any kind of bar and they’re all equally shit for wrist curls.
@@ChrisDrummondAW Makes sense. Thank you for your points.
Coming from a health care professional, this is great content. Well done.
doesnt travis bagent take ankle wraps around his forearms and move sideways to train side pressure specifically that way? I saw a seminar online where he talked about this.
what he does is different than what I’m describing. He’s trying to basically teach you not to use side pressure (the way it’s conventionally defined).
1000 subs soon
to me it even hurts when i am doing the wrist curls with dumbell, i got to use the cables, is that normal?
You shouldn’t feel joint or connective tissue pain. Without more information it’s impossible to know but it’s most likely the way you grip the dumbbell, your range of motion, or the degree of deviation in your wrist at the start and through the range of motion.
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My upper wrist is hurting since 30 days probably i have consulted to my physiotherapist he said it's normal because of extra stress at the tendons I'm iceing and stretching will it be fine sir please tell me I'm really worried 🙃
Probably but I don’t know your particular affliction. Isometrics save tendons, try that.
Would you condsider this lift pointless since its with normal steel handle 1 inch insted of a wrist roller?
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Agreed! Its okey to do sidepressure with a belt if the loop goes in your hand tho.
Why would you do that instead of using a wrist wrench? Using a belt like that takes more load off the wrist. It’s better than nothing I guess but I don’t know why you would do that except to try to lift heavier weights than your wrist can handle which usually makes elbow pain worse.
@@ChrisDrummondAW I do 2 sidepressure exercises! When the cable comes from up and infront of me i use a wristwrench or spinning handle.
The 2nd exercise i often use a strap because i want to take load of the wrist. Focusing on internal rotation. The bulgarians often do this exercise and its great
@@Larsse1 if it’s just internal rotation that’s fine, I do that as well but that’s just one component of side pressure.
@@Larsse1 - A belt works great if you are working supination or pronation, but the rule is to force your hand and wrist to keep up, otherwise you are just destroying your elbow for nothing. The wrist wrench is great, but it doesn’t work pronation or supination in a hook or top roll.
@@kingwillie206 No it doesn't destroy the elbow 🙂
hmmmkay