Went to the reunion show in Romania at rockstadt extreme fest like 2 days ago. They played proceed with caution and i love secret agents. I found this EP only 8 months ago, but turned out it was one of my favs. I cant believe that TDEP broke up as a band while doing amazing music like this. Im glad i saw them live once in my life.
I was today years old [39] when I discovered that this even existed. Spent 2 decades thinking that Under The Running Board was the genesis of Dillinger. What an amazing discovery. 🤯
Had the nervous pleasure of seeing this band in Oct., of 1997, at a small venue in Rochester, New Hampshire, called Safe and Sound. Still have this EP that I bought for, I think, $7 at the merch. table. One of the most intense shows I have ever been to.
...was also standing directly in front of Dimitri (like a stoned nerd) most of the set! Was so hoping this band would have gone further with Dimitri, -as, this is my only knowledge, firsthand, with all members of this era.@
I'm so lucky I found this EP when I was young and still had the patience to listen to it over and over again until I "got it". If I found it today I wouldn't invest the time and totally miss out.
The Illuminaughty ...... I first discovered TDEP with the album "One of us is the killer", and have spent tons of time since listening their music lots, and subsequently listening to all of the projects Mike Patton has been in, and I'm NOT particularly old at 53.... lucky enough to see Patton with FNM in London in 1989 i think, touring with their album " The Real Thing" , but got put-off by their album called Angel Dust... i think it was called.
@@The1stMrJohn You should give Angel Dust another chance. Fidelity-wise and instrumentally/compositionally it's quite impressive. And WEIRDER. If you like TDEP then "weird" should definitely not be a problem. But I'm also a bit biased because it was the first CD I ever owned. My 4th/5th grade mind and future taste in music was ruined forever. I'm 39 today.
I bought this in like 1999-2000ish when it had a different cover from some random indie distributor. None of my friends liked it or the band (they were mostly raver kids). I played this CD to death though.
Hands down the Vocalist for KISS IT GOODBYE (Obviously the same guy as Dead Guy) I Alwaaaaays felt was a suitably replacement at the end of Calculating Infinity Era when they were looking for new Vocalist.... He in my opinion is still the most powerful and red faced angry screamer ever👌 Nice to hear a Dead Guy reference 🤘🤘 Miss those days....
Am I the only one who doesn't care what genre it is? Like sure, it's nice to be able to put a name to it. However, that's what the band name can be used for. ITS MUSIC. And in this case, we all like these dudes. It's not like you have to prove it to some scrub, all of us here would obviously know Dillinger's sound. Let's discuss our favorite tracks and lyrics and what-not.
..it even has lots in common with some "jazz music"... I agree , so many or too many labels or genres. I've grown to love TDEP since only 2014 as a teen I was an anarchic hippy/punk +part time goth educated in the seventies, classically trained musician{plus jazz and prog rock , punk , etcetera} with parents who luckily let me do anything i wanted [obviously not serious crime].... Just making my point ...too many labels to describe me, let alone music and art! Now in mid 50 [anarchic laid back scruff] with the same partner for 25 years! Own a modest functional house [no criminal record!], always full of music and at least 1 dog, and most importantly i am very happy with-in myself ;~) John near Winchester in England
genres are helpful for finding similar artists or sounds, but yeah, I don't know why people feel the need to "define" it, especially when no one fuckin' asked.
i was lucky and bought this one from now or never records in like early 2001. original 1997 album. kinda wished I never opened now haha. who knew DEP would be who they are now?
David Nash that sums it up EXACTLY! WHO WOULDA THUNK IT? miss machine broke my heart upon release.(love it now)... I loved C.I., I was a relapse/ death metal freak who loved calculating infinity and Irony is a dead scene(opened my eyes to patton), but who saw it coming? brother, we were ahead of the curve, but I never saw it comin.
William McCann right on! so true! calculating is definitely a soft spot for me lol. great times.. i think any heavy record from about 98/99-2003/2004 we were spoiled for choice hahaha
This is more straight laced hardcore. Under The Running Board is where they really started to embrace the "mathcore" side of things. It's also a better EP.
thanks for uploading this! been wanting to hear it again ,for awhile now. had a copy but lost it in a fire. used to play at max volume in my stereo in my room..this is classic dep ,awsomeness ,with demitri on vocals
Dillinger was the best-known bank robber in the world - During a robbery, Dillinger would spring into the bank and address the tellers; an action which called attention to himself You knew it was Dillinger when you saw his smile Watered down Letters of hate Creep in on me I've watched that water Drip into mud As charred fingers stab at my eyes No regrets can touch this soul Cause I'm a devil in a three-piece suit That good old green Paint on paper; prostitute (x4)
Timestamps from the description: 00:00 Proceed With Caution 01:02 I Love Secret Agents 03:13 Monticello 06:18 Cleopatra's Sling 09:30 Caffeine 12:18 Three For Flinching (Revenche Of The Porno Clowns
Math Rock or Mathcore is a term describing time signatures the Mathmatical aspect of all music is the time signature and rhythmic figure. It literally has nothing to do with jazz aspects or blues.
Mathcore- Hardcore music that explores erratic changes in rhythmic figures while still continuing to stay within the lines of some "simple" (key word there) rhythmic meter. It also draws influence from noise rock, but is generally unrestricted in terms of implementing figures from various types of music. It is however depicted to be brutal, sporadic, and dynamic in nature.
This is more like Progressive Metalcore/Jazzcore. I think the crazy shit came in with Calculating Infinity. Mathcore/Math Rock/Math Metal aren't offshoots of Metalcore. They are not made up either. Same with djent: they are actually genres, because they sound like nothing else. I mean, Botch sounds nothing like Killswitch Engage, TDEP sounds nothing like Misery Signals.
Im pretty weird 'cause ive only heard this first album by this band - while others dont seem to know that it exists. And i absolutely worship it. Pure hatred. So i kinda dont wanna ruin it if i get disappointed by their other albums. I used to have this album on both vinyl and cd,now only on cd.
@@omairSDHe also loves Dr. Strangelove but doesn't wanna watch the Shining, 2001, and Full Metal Jacket because it might make him not like Kubrick anymore.
Exactly what was this lineup? It was Ben, Dimitri, Adam, Chris, and.....Derek Brantley? Idk about best, I'd say calculating , irony, miss machine in my opinion....best musicians with three flavors of singer
This is my favorite cd they put out. Got into them when Miss Machine came out. But this was the first one I heard. Are copies available? Non expensive ones?
>when it's actually TDEP >BUT IT'S NOT >BUT IT IS I think I heard this when I was like 23 or so and it confused the fuck out of me. Two singers? No complexity to speak of? And only like two years before they released Under The Running Board! Almost as weird as hearing early Glassjaw and finding out that they were an NYHC band.
You laugh, Stop laughing I lack in self-esteem Too little, too late No one will find us here Pointed fingers at painted faces Don't think twice, Just point and shriek I bleed under makeup
Well, this is definitely good, but it's just not on the same level as any of their later work. I think the addition of Greg Puciato's infinitely versatile vocals added several new dimensions to their music.
Aggressive? I dont think so. I dont only listen to math rock. I may be a huge fan of it but i also have the tendecy to like "agressive" bands. Also not to troll you, this may be fusion and somewhat influenced to punk. Not agressive. I only stated below because somebody told me there older stuff sounds mathy like. Since i am up to listen to anything. I gave it a shot. Just because there not math as the band claims to be doesnt indicate i hate them. Sure many of you like them.
FWIW this is a fine EP but in "math rock" terms it doesn't hold a candle to anything Don Caballero released in the Nineties, or even Frank Zappa in the Seventies! but forced comparisons are forced. first comes the music, then comes the description of the music - usually without the musicians' input. drop the genres, love the music, love the life.
I even fund them alright. What pisses my shit is. This band have the balls to be "mathcore" even check there wiki. Thats right. I have nothing against them besides labeling themselves under a genre that clearly doesnt even exist to begin with and to add a band that sounds nothing alike what there even trying to claim to be. But like i said there okay. And i dont only listen to math rock. But i do know what it actually sounds like to figure it out
Math has clesn notes. Not the so called "Brutal" distortion. No jazz/Blues influence. No math.. know. People label shit and come up with shit that even the shit they come up with doesnt define to what the genre they made up is. So stupid
He did defined it. but that what he defined draws nothing to math. I have nothing against this band once again. I am arguing over mathcore. Total made up. I dont remember Karate being called mathcore. I dont remember Moths being math core and that has way more mathy notes than this and I dont consider it math. This is why you guys get confused not knowing what math is. This sounds nothing near math notes. you defined a genre that "sounds" math but isnt math. thats fucking stupid...
No, mathcore is a made up term just like emocore. The countless times I have run into a math"core" band. Math rock is substitude with indie and jazz fusion and draws jazz and blues influence. JAZZ. Cant call something math that has nothing math off. Because a band sounds "technical" doesnt mean its math. Math is Karate, Dios trio, Giraffes? Giraffes!, Auto? Automatic??,Colossal, Them roaringtwenties, the bulletproof tiger, even tera melos. Math is based on clean note guitars.
Mathcore isnt a genre. Math rock is. Mathcore was made up by fancy pant trends. I dont find this band near the math rock genre. I hear some influences but no math rock. math rock has odd time signatures take an example The bulletproof tiger, or other bands such as Bygones, Tera melos. Those bands definetly have the wierdest time signatures but not compared to them, roaringtwenties. this band is okay. not the best or close to math rock...
Ok, go listen to your math rock then. I never said they are technically better than any of your cheesy/happy-go-lucky math rock bands. If you think this band's early stuff is 'okay' then you're obviously not into the more aggressive fusion of hardcore punk and math rock (hence the name mathcore). Like I said, go listen to those bands you listed. Thanks dude.
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Went to the reunion show in Romania at rockstadt extreme fest like 2 days ago. They played proceed with caution and i love secret agents. I found this EP only 8 months ago, but turned out it was one of my favs. I cant believe that TDEP broke up as a band while doing amazing music like this. Im glad i saw them live once in my life.
I was today years old [39] when I discovered that this even existed. Spent 2 decades thinking that Under The Running Board was the genesis of Dillinger. What an amazing discovery. 🤯
Had the nervous pleasure of seeing this band in Oct., of 1997, at a small venue in Rochester, New Hampshire, called Safe and Sound.
Still have this EP that I bought for, I think, $7 at the merch. table.
One of the most intense shows I have ever been to.
.1998.
...was also standing directly in front of Dimitri (like a stoned nerd) most of the set!
Was so hoping this band would have gone further with Dimitri, -as, this is my only knowledge, firsthand, with all members of this era.@
I'm so lucky I found this EP when I was young and still had the patience to listen to it over and over again until I "got it". If I found it today I wouldn't invest the time and totally miss out.
+The Illuminaughty yeah
The Illuminaughty first listening to this today and I love it
The Illuminaughty ......
I first discovered TDEP with the album "One of us is the killer", and have spent tons of time since listening their music lots, and subsequently listening to all of the projects Mike Patton has been in,
and I'm NOT particularly old at 53....
lucky enough to see Patton with FNM in London in 1989 i think, touring with their album " The Real Thing" , but got put-off by their album called Angel Dust... i think it was called.
@@The1stMrJohn You should give Angel Dust another chance. Fidelity-wise and instrumentally/compositionally it's quite impressive. And WEIRDER. If you like TDEP then "weird" should definitely not be a problem. But I'm also a bit biased because it was the first CD I ever owned. My 4th/5th grade mind and future taste in music was ruined forever. I'm 39 today.
I snatched a copy off the net. Still got it. Greg signed my Miss Machine CD twice.
People would probably think me crazy for this but I think I like this even more than calculating infinity. What a monster of an EP
I bought this in like 1999-2000ish when it had a different cover from some random indie distributor. None of my friends liked it or the band (they were mostly raver kids). I played this CD to death though.
i cant grasp the fact that this was dillinger back in the day.totally different sound, they really struck genius with "calculating infinity "
All these songs were written when the band was still called Arcane..in fact, this was supposed to be an Arcane record
I don't really hear that much difference in their sound. Sure, it's gotten more technical, but the essence has remained pretty much the same.
after really giving it a listen your right. that dillinger vibe was still there.
Alex Crawford you can really hear it in chris pennie's drumming, and ben's clean passages
This EP sounds much more like Calculating Infinity than any of the crap that came after it.
Went to the reunion show in Brooklyn a week or two back. Best show experience of my life, I just wish I remember more of it which is tragic.
RIP George Minakakis
This early stuff is the bees. BIG Dead Guy influence
*Deadguy
Hands down the Vocalist for KISS IT GOODBYE (Obviously the same guy as Dead Guy) I Alwaaaaays felt was a suitably replacement at the end of Calculating Infinity Era when they were looking for new Vocalist....
He in my opinion is still the most powerful and red faced angry screamer ever👌
Nice to hear a Dead Guy reference 🤘🤘
Miss those days....
Ben admits a lot of the early stuff is just copying Deadguy haha
one of the best lyricists ever
Am I the only one who doesn't care what genre it is? Like sure, it's nice to be able to put a name to it. However, that's what the band name can be used for. ITS MUSIC. And in this case, we all like these dudes. It's not like you have to prove it to some scrub, all of us here would obviously know Dillinger's sound. Let's discuss our favorite tracks and lyrics and what-not.
..it even has lots in common with some "jazz music"...
I agree , so many or too many labels or genres.
I've grown to love TDEP since only 2014
as a teen I was an anarchic hippy/punk +part time goth educated in the seventies,
classically trained musician{plus jazz and prog rock , punk , etcetera} with parents who luckily let me do anything i wanted [obviously not serious crime]....
Just making my point ...too many labels to describe me, let alone music and art!
Now in mid 50 [anarchic laid back scruff] with the same partner for 25 years! Own a modest functional house [no criminal record!], always full of music and at least 1 dog, and most importantly i am very happy with-in myself
;~)
John near Winchester in England
genres are helpful for finding similar artists or sounds, but yeah, I don't know why people feel the need to "define" it, especially when no one fuckin' asked.
Equinsu Ocha
Yep !
mathcore is a genre whenever you like it or not, one very different from mathrock. the same way metal and rock is different
The snare rolls at 2:40 are insane. I'm pretty sure i never heard something that hard and precise even in extreme metal (at least pre-triggers era).
I love how tight Chris tunes his snare, he gets insanely crisp double rolls
got lucky and found this good condition used album with the ep artwork cover/lyrics book at the swap shop for 10 cents. and it's the original
Cool man ill take it...
i was lucky and bought this one from now or never records in like early 2001. original 1997 album. kinda wished I never opened now haha. who knew DEP would be who they are now?
David Nash that sums it up EXACTLY! WHO WOULDA THUNK IT? miss machine broke my heart upon release.(love it now)... I loved C.I., I was a relapse/ death metal freak who loved calculating infinity and Irony is a dead scene(opened my eyes to patton), but who saw it coming? brother, we were ahead of the curve, but I never saw it comin.
William McCann right on! so true! calculating is definitely a soft spot for me lol. great times.. i think any heavy record from about 98/99-2003/2004 we were spoiled for choice hahaha
Love this vocalist!
Sin that this is not on Spotify... and the rest is. I do physically own this ep, yes.
I didn’t know this existed until right now.
"We're not trying to impress you!"
This is more straight laced hardcore. Under The Running Board is where they really started to embrace the "mathcore" side of things. It's also a better EP.
This is an accurate POV and I completely agree. Much more straightforward compared to their follow ups but equally as dynamic and chaotic.
thanks for uploading this! been wanting to hear it again ,for awhile now. had a copy but lost it in a fire. used to play at max volume in my stereo in my room..this is classic dep ,awsomeness ,with demitri on vocals
Dillinger was the best-known bank robber in the world - During a robbery, Dillinger would spring into the bank and address the tellers; an action which called attention to himself
You knew it was Dillinger when you saw his smile
Watered down
Letters of hate
Creep in on me
I've watched that water
Drip into mud
As charred fingers stab at my eyes
No regrets can touch this soul
Cause I'm a devil in a three-piece suit
That good old green
Paint on paper; prostitute (x4)
Life has no meaning
When it's not justified
So paranoid
Breath
Belong
Comply
Damn, this is a banger. Love his lyrics.
this is the dillinger I've always known and loved. Still love. of course. duhh
The 15+ min that defined mathcore.
My favorite release
Timestamps from the description:
00:00 Proceed With Caution
01:02 I Love Secret Agents
03:13 Monticello
06:18 Cleopatra's Sling
09:30 Caffeine
12:18 Three For Flinching (Revenche Of The Porno Clowns
Math Rock or Mathcore is a term describing time signatures the Mathmatical aspect of all music is the time signature and rhythmic figure. It literally has nothing to do with jazz aspects or blues.
This E.P is amongst the most brutal things I’ve ever listen to. So aggressive 😂
Changed my life
Damn fine music right here.
Great ep. Wish they would come back to columbus, ohio. I saw them once every year from '08-2010 & they haven't come back since. I miss'em.
Mathcore- Hardcore music that explores erratic changes in rhythmic figures while still continuing to stay within the lines of some "simple" (key word there) rhythmic meter. It also draws influence from noise rock, but is generally unrestricted in terms of implementing figures from various types of music. It is however depicted to be brutal, sporadic, and dynamic in nature.
This is more like Progressive Metalcore/Jazzcore. I think the crazy shit came in with Calculating Infinity.
Mathcore/Math Rock/Math Metal aren't offshoots of Metalcore. They are not made up either. Same with djent: they are actually genres, because they sound like nothing else. I mean, Botch sounds nothing like Killswitch Engage, TDEP sounds nothing like Misery Signals.
Dude...The Dillenger Escape Plan are a hardcore band lol
***** Mathcore.
accurate statement
First time hearing this. Thanks for uploading \m/
Im pretty weird 'cause ive only heard this first album by this band - while others dont seem to know that it exists.
And i absolutely worship it.
Pure hatred.
So i kinda dont wanna ruin it if i get disappointed by their other albums.
I used to have this album on both vinyl and cd,now only on cd.
Any more of your life story you care to share?
@@omairSDHe also loves Dr. Strangelove but doesn't wanna watch the Shining, 2001, and Full Metal Jacket because it might make him not like Kubrick anymore.
@@chrisheist652 Haha
IMO this was their best album and their best line up
Exactly what was this lineup? It was Ben, Dimitri, Adam, Chris, and.....Derek Brantley? Idk about best, I'd say calculating , irony, miss machine in my opinion....best musicians with three flavors of singer
And I always thought Benoit was the perfect counter to Ben....he really got the shaft with his injury. ..but then so did Adam so idk
this 'technically' isn't The Dillinger Escape Plan, It's Arcane . But i'm really splitting hairs because it was still Ben, Chris, Dimitri and Adam
Paul Lizzi it says the Dillinger escape plan on it
Pretty sure It was released from a band called The Dillinger Escape Plan.
This is my favorite cd they put out. Got into them when Miss Machine came out. But this was the first one I heard. Are copies available? Non expensive ones?
Superb EP!
Still some super dope passages in this ep. I think Chris Pennine carries this a lot
Tii
I
William Stannard what
>when it's actually TDEP
>BUT IT'S NOT
>BUT IT IS
I think I heard this when I was like 23 or so and it confused the fuck out of me. Two singers? No complexity to speak of? And only like two years before they released Under The Running Board! Almost as weird as hearing early Glassjaw and finding out that they were an NYHC band.
nice!
remeber , before Mathcore DEP exists
You laugh,
Stop laughing
I lack in self-esteem
Too little, too late
No one will find us here
Pointed fingers at painted faces
Don't think twice,
Just point and shriek
I bleed under makeup
Well, this is definitely good, but it's just not on the same level as any of their later work. I think the addition of Greg Puciato's infinitely versatile vocals added several new dimensions to their music.
Love this band. Option Paralysis is probably my favorite album.
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amazon if you want a physical copy
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Aggressive? I dont think so. I dont only listen to math rock. I may be a huge fan of it but i also have the tendecy to like "agressive" bands. Also not to troll you, this may be fusion and somewhat influenced to punk. Not agressive. I only stated below because somebody told me there older stuff sounds mathy like. Since i am up to listen to anything. I gave it a shot. Just because there not math as the band claims to be doesnt indicate i hate them. Sure many of you like them.
FWIW this is a fine EP but in "math rock" terms it doesn't hold a candle to anything Don Caballero released in the Nineties, or even Frank Zappa in the Seventies! but forced comparisons are forced. first comes the music, then comes the description of the music - usually without the musicians' input. drop the genres, love the music, love the life.
I even fund them alright. What pisses my shit is. This band have the balls to be "mathcore" even check there wiki. Thats right. I have nothing against them besides labeling themselves under a genre that clearly doesnt even exist to begin with and to add a band that sounds nothing alike what there even trying to claim to be. But like i said there okay. And i dont only listen to math rock. But i do know what it actually sounds like to figure it out
Math has clesn notes. Not the so called "Brutal" distortion. No jazz/Blues influence. No math.. know. People label shit and come up with shit that even the shit they come up with doesnt define to what the genre they made up is. So stupid
He did defined it. but that what he defined draws nothing to math. I have nothing against this band once again. I am arguing over mathcore. Total made up. I dont remember Karate being called mathcore. I dont remember Moths being math core and that has way more mathy notes than this and I dont consider it math. This is why you guys get confused not knowing what math is. This sounds nothing near math notes. you defined a genre that "sounds" math but isnt math. thats fucking stupid...
No, mathcore is a made up term just like emocore. The countless times I have run into a math"core" band. Math rock is substitude with indie and jazz fusion and draws jazz and blues influence. JAZZ. Cant call something math that has nothing math off. Because a band sounds "technical" doesnt mean its math. Math is Karate, Dios trio, Giraffes? Giraffes!, Auto? Automatic??,Colossal, Them roaringtwenties, the bulletproof tiger, even tera melos. Math is based on clean note guitars.
So they went from nu metal to metalcore
nu metal?
¿
Mathcore isnt a genre. Math rock is. Mathcore was made up by fancy pant trends. I dont find this band near the math rock genre. I hear some influences but no math rock. math rock has odd time signatures take an example The bulletproof tiger, or other bands such as Bygones, Tera melos. Those bands definetly have the wierdest time signatures but not compared to them, roaringtwenties. this band is okay. not the best or close to math rock...
He just defined it for you.
Epic!
Best mathcore EP to ever exist. No denying that.
Ok, go listen to your math rock then. I never said they are technically better than any of your cheesy/happy-go-lucky math rock bands. If you think this band's early stuff is 'okay' then you're obviously not into the more aggressive fusion of hardcore punk and math rock (hence the name mathcore). Like I said, go listen to those bands you listed. Thanks dude.