SPOOKY DAY COMPARED! Sims 3 vs. Sims 4 Halloween Traditions!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- In this video, I'm comparing Spooky Day in The Sims 3 vs. The Sims 4! Halloween traditions such as pumpkin carving, trick-or-treating, costume parties, festivals and more! There was so much to cover - especially in The Sims 3! Which one is your favorite?
I love the fall festivals included in The Sims 3: Seasons expansion. There are so many fun, fall- and spooky-themed activities for your Sims to do. Plus, sending your Sim children trick-or-treating is so much fun! There's admittedly less to do in The Sims 4, and it's kind of sad that you have to pay for cool decorations that you get for free in The Sims 3. But, I do really like the pumpkin carving and spooky parties in TS4.
Spooky Day is my favorite holiday in real life and in The Sims! And since Spooky Month is finally here, I've got lots more spooky content lined up for you throughout October. Thanks so much for watching!
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If we ignore the fact that to play with the “COMPLETE” spooky stuff in SIms 4 you need to buy 2 Packs, the Spooky celebration has i’ts own charming. But then you look back to all the gameplay in Sims 3, the festivals and ALL the Stuff in one Pack, it’s absolutely Perfect ✨👻
Also. be VERY Careful about Sims Stomping on LIT Pumpkin Lanterns, as they MAY be lit on Fire for it. and this Fire Behaves as Normal, you have 1 Hour (3 If Daredevil) to Extinguish them before they burn to Death. Mostly because I was partially Expecting Cindy's Sim to Ignite. and her to go "WHA?". it happens lol
@@magesticalmysterium6856 I guess she didn't know that could happen in Sims 3 as well
Sims 3 seasons were so much fun. I had a werewolf family and I would have them enter the eating contests together. They would win me so many tickets at these games lol
LOL! That's so funny! What a great idea!
This made me to play sims 3 and try it😂
i love the forethought and consideration of their traits making them hesitant to do things!
like for example, cindy mentioned hydrophobic sims will NEVER autonomously go applebobbing because they don't like water (4:17). childish and coward sims will get spooked out before entering the haunted house (5:57).
such little attention to details that goes such a long way! love this game! 💕
I agree! Those are little things that make a big difference in giving Sims a personality. I love it so much!
So much better than the Sims 4! I have a lazy mermaid who hates fitness right now, and she will. Not. Stop. Swimming! Her fun is low, so she autonomously goes swimming (she lives in Sulani) but she hates it, so it makes her fun drop lower, and she just won't stop! Sims 3 seems so much better!
@@wolfsong4720 Well, mermaids have to swim...
Bonus points if despite being lazy she has a liking for fitness related hobbies...
@@adrianblake8876 nope, she decided she hating swimming. 😂 I was just going to make her shower to keep her hydration need up - not that it even really matters, for mermaids.
@@PleasantSims u rock
The Sims 4 should've at least let your playable kids go trick-or-treating via rabbit hole, and have them come back with candy in their inventory. Also I used to like apple bobbing as a kid before I realized how gross it is.
Omg I never knew that you can turn into a ghost from the haunted house... Sims 3 never fails to amaze me
It's such a good game! I'm always learning new things about it!
I never knew this untill my sim turned into a ghost. I got scared and confused... i thought they had died xD
Sims 3 is better but the problem is EA never fix their bugs and expect players to fix it themselves. A great prime example is Sims 3 paradise with the game bug lag and they never patched it
The Sims Team are lucky that they did release the Spooky Stuff Pack before Seasons. I think if they had released it after they woukd have had another My first pet stuff justified outrage from the customers/community.
Regarding them not combining the costume access (26:12), I have a mod called Wear More Costumes that gives access to all those Spooky Stuff Pack costumes during the Seasons created holiday that remedies the exact problem you were facing. Modders always save the day.
Oh thanks! I will have to download that!
Thank you for this mod recommend!!
It's kinda bizarre you need to buy a separate pack to get the full Spooky Day experience in The Sims 4. But I guess that's what The Sims 4 does best. It splits content into a multitude of packs so you have to pay more to have the same features you'd have in one pack in previous games.
it speaks volumes the way both were handled. The Sims 3 was lacking decor for Spooky day, and they released 4 different packs for free to use. On the other hand, Sims 4 sold the accessories even before Seasons was released, and made you make the holiday yourself in Seasons.
Well, splitting content is not new. LN and Showtime are each one half of the Sims2 NL expansion. Sunlit Tides came before IP, which is the "island" destination of BV, the Sims2 equivalent of WA...
And we also never got the expansion equivalent for OFB or AL in the Sims3, giving us subpar towns, because we're left with rabbitholes for what other games given us open lots...
@@adrianblake8876 well yeah but it keeps going from bad to worse
@@gowonsupremacist Well, yeah... the Sims3 is fun an immersive with traits that have an effect and wants that make sense...
You don't have to buy a separate pack. You can do spooky day without spooky stuff
They need to update festivals and make them season themed in sims 4 like it was in the 3rd. It was just very good and i remember bringing all my family there to have a nice day. Festivals in the sims 4 are pretty lame. There are all sorts of festivals except the ones that matter
I am NOT a fan of the festivals in Sims 4 either. I get they were trying to do something different, but it was a hit and a miss for me. I think seasonal festivals would have been much better!
Actually, that's a great idea for a pack refresh! Oooo, I hope they do that. This is the one time I wouldn't mind them swiping things from packs I already paid for into a Seasons refresh to make seasonal festivals.
I think they didn’t so that you can still have holidays if you don’t own the seasons pack
I have bobbed for apples - but in Scotland, we call it "dookin' for apples" - maybe that's where it came to the States from! We normally use forks to stab the apples with, though, so we don't put our faces in the water.
That sounds much better!!
Omg I was going to comment the same. I have very fond memories of dookin fer apples at the Halloween disco in school. It made a nice refresher from all the sweets and baked goods they served. I always gorged myself on the tablet they made (soo good 🤤 and so sweet 😅 rip my teeth)
@@shay2129 oh god, tablet! I love tablet 🥺😍
It's Roman. We stole it while they were invading England.
Everything in the sims 3 just feels so much more immersive, it’s such a fun game 💕
It's more alive because of the open world. Like you can see sims shopping or reading in the park or playing etcetera. I learn New things about it every time I play and I play it everyday
Autumn is my favourite season, I absolutely loved it in sims 3 ❤ especially the festival
Me too! It's the best!
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Funnily enough, I live in Germany and it is quite common to let kids go trick or treating on their own, when they are like 8/9. Kids usually do it with their siblings/friends and they know the neighborhood anyway so it is not a big deal.
I love that! We never were allowed to go on our own, but we would be dropped at the top of a street and our parents would pick us up at the end, so kind of semi-alone. Today, I don't know anyone who lets their kids go alone in America. It's too bad because it's such a magical time to be a kid!
I was gonna say that too! We had an adult accompany us until we were around 9 years old. We went there as a group and had one parent or another adult go with us. The adult usually stayed at the end of the driveway while we rang the doorbell.
In a safe and close-knit neigborhood it's totally safe for kids to go alone.
I started just going with my teenage brother when he was sixteen. He doesn't trick or treat anymore, and I'm not doing it alone, so I no longer trick or treat. But I always went with my mom before that, and with my dad when he was available. (I can't believe he would skip out on trick or treating to support the family)
We went Trick-or-Treating of course without adults, starting when I was 4 and my sister was 6. It was simply not done, to have parents accompanying their kids: they were supposed to stay home to give out treats, and children who were toddlers were considered too young to go and were kept home. I believe it was the whole "poisoned candy" urban legend that almost killed Halloween as we knew it, coupled with a societal paranoia about US kids going anywhere or doing anything, without an adult escort, til at least their teens, that took over starting in the 90s. It was commonly believed here that "things are different now" but violent crimes were higher in the 1970s than they are now, but the sensationalist news cycle had parents convinced that it was unsafe to let kids have the same freedom they themselves had enjoyed, to the detriment of all. Hoping the pendulum of public sentiment has shifted toward common sense more now, but parents here still live in fear of some busybody calling the authorities if they let their kids walk to the park or playground unescorted, in some parts of the US, for the fear of whatever worst-case (but nevertheless unlikely) scenario anyone can dream up.
Same in Portugal and my mom is quite strict. I have a curfew and I’m 22 now lmao
I feel like the sims 3 seasons really worked well with open world. I feel like they tried to make use of the open world feature like getting out of the house and doing a festival not just do stuff in your house
Most TS3 expansions are like that! Ambitions for instance really uses the open world to its best advantage for the active jobs.
TS3 festivals were always so much fun :D Also yes, I did apple bobbing at a church event one time as a child but didn't win of course lol. The concept of it is disgusting indeed.
I always take my Sims and it never gets old to me!
@@PleasantSims Agreed!!!
I’m so looking forward to your spooky themed videos this month! 🎃 🧙♀️
Me too! I love getting in the Halloween spirit!
Me too, I love spooky season!
Same! Cindy rekindles my enthusiasm for the Sims, particularly Sims3 and Sims2, but Sims4 has its limited charms and Spooky Season is also my favorite season and holiday in real life.
Sims 3 seasons is in my opinion one of *THE BEST* EP in the whole franchise along with Generation.
I drop everything when Cindy uploads!
Agreed!
You're the best! Thank you for watching!
EVERYTHING?
@@brandoniswhoiam drops babby
@@strawbawrri249 lmao it'll be alright, its an "object"
I always appreciate the fact that all (or almost all) premade festival grounds in each city are different in sims 3. Seasons was one of the most fun expansions. Other sims game could never 🎃🎃😂
I've done apple bobbin as a kid and was weirdly good at it, also yeah it's really gross thinking back on it. Donuts on a string was more popular tho (basically tie a donut up then hands-free try and eat it)
I've never done donuts either - but it seems more sanitary! LOL
lol i remembering doing the donut on a string thing at elementary school fairs
@@PleasantSims when I was a kid we have apples on string (the same hand-free competition). But not on Halloween, cus in my country most of people don't celebrate it.
Loved donuts when I was young!
That tied up donut is similar to the rice crisp race in Indonesia, except we do this during indenpendence day celebration.
Omg I love how your top matches the theme!
I had to go full spooky for this video! LOL
With kawaiistacie’s explore mod you can send sims to trick or treat and they’ll come home with candy. It’s silly you need a mod for that but it’s still cool.
The sims 3 clips at the beginning made me emotional. Sooo nostalgic! I love taking my sims to the seasonal festivals and trying to make the whole family go into the photo booth at once haha.
in sims 3, you also can fail by carving the pumpkins :D then the pumpkins look kinda destroyed. There also is the chance that the sims will set on fire when they smash the pumpkins while lightened
I miss festivals so much 😭
I love The Sims 3 festivals! They're the best!
That fly were getting into the halloween spirits alright. Trying its best to scare Cindy
LOL! It was succeeding!
I honestly feel like they could still let our kids go trick or treating even without open world. There's open neighborhoods, we should still be allowed to click on doors and trick or treat. Or even hop around to different neighborhoods or worlds as long as its still before midnight.
Also now that I have experienced the emotions system, those moodlets don't seem so bad in comparison lol Probably much more valuable than the emotion moodlet I'd get if apple bobbing were in TS4. At least the moodlet hangs around and impacts your sim a bit and gives you satisfaction points, the emotion i'd get would get overwhelmed when they enter a dust free room and give me nothing.
I always prefer TS3 lol. I actually didn't know there was a chance to turn into a ghost with the haunted house that's so cool! I always loved that house with the VFX in the windows so cute lol. I do think the pumpkin carving animation is way better in TS4 though! However I prefer just clicking the pumpkin and the sim just sitting down to it and then you drag the pumpkin where you want it. Rather than the whole station/furniture thing in TS4 where you have to find room for it then put it away/sell it after. I dunno. TS4 has so much potential but it's still meh to me compared to 2 and 3. Loved this video so excited for spooky times! It's my fave time of year too because I get to draw for inktober and halloween parties and all the funs!
My school when I was little did a more sanitary version of apple bobbing- they had a clothesline essentially and had apples hanging from it, and you had to get a bite out of it without using your hands, and they would replace the string and remove any slobbered-on apples after each person tried.
It sucks that we literally had to buy Halloween for ten bucks in the sims 4
And where i was, downloading some mods, organizing my mods folder, listening musics and, now, watching Cindy's new video. What a great day!
Yay! Thanks so much for watching!
sims 3 spooky day is the best hands down
It's so much fun! 🎃
@@PleasantSims it really is! i can never forget the first time i took my sim there and was traumatized when my sim came out as a ghost after she went through the haunted house lol
Me: "That has to be Sunlit Tides. I'd recognize that tree that was randomly in the middle of my roller rink anywhere." 😂
I love sending my sims through the haunted house! My only wish for festivals was that we could change the amount of days they lasted. Sims 3 Seasons is a favorite of mine, but I love the calendar from Sims 4.
I hope if they ever refresh this pack they will make it so you have the spooky day costumes accessible for spooky day holiday if you have both packs and they make it so you can go trick or treating. They could do it like a rabbit hole with pop us like the volunteering in parenthood.
11:40 You can change your costume with NRaas Master Controller, using the Stylist interaction while they're wearing their costumes.
Yes, that's true!
I love sims 3 spooky day, it feels colder, feels fun and I used to make my sims do so many things.
Love the way you breathe life into the Sims. Just when I grow tired of the Sims you light my little sims's fireplaces and make me wanna play all over again. Thanks Cindy
Fun video! You can choose your costume if you do it just before the party officially starts in Sims 3 - when they don't have one they will automatically choose one.
I'm not super well informed on the whole apple bobbing thing, but to my knowledge it came about from Roman traditions being blended with the pre-Christian Irish holiday Samhain (Sow-ain). This holiday is what Halloween evolved from (Long story). Apples were a religious symbol used in divination by Irish druids. There were a lot of different divination rituals performed during Samhain, many of which were centered around match-making. I think "Bobbing for apples" was one of those types of activities, I think. I remember reading that the apples were strung on strings originally?
If anyone wants to correct my dumb ass, go for it.
Cindy’s comments while battling the fly are so relatable! :D
I love that all of holiday sets in TS3 store are free. The Sims 4 only christmas is.
My sim 3 Sim loves to conjure poisoned apples when I'm not looking. He has a pocket full of well over a hundred... was a little disappointed I couldn't dump them in the bobbing tank...
I remember kids bobbing for 🍎s when I was little but I never did. That was back in the early 90s late 80s period
If you stand and view the scarecrow long enough it'll come alive and scare your sim
One of my favourite features from Sims 4 is the ability to decorate the house using the decoration box. I love the animation of sims rummaging through the box and the house gradually getting more festive as you select more decor options. I also like how in Sims 4 we get some lot traits to make any lot a bit more spooky or festive. I also think the magic gnomes are a perfect tradition for spooky day.
thanks for another great video! now i really wanna play the sims 3 in fall time. they did it right in the sims 3.
They did! It's so much fun!
I went apple bobbing as a child. VERY FUN! LOL
this got uploaded right as i started my lunch break, cindy just blessed me 🥺💜
Yay! Have a great lunch!
So much fun. Even though I have played every Sim game over the past 20 years, I learned stuff! I had forgotten stuff and didn't even know about some of this from either game.
I love those videos. Sims 3 has so much to give, sims 4 could never.
I'm also very jealous of your computer set up. My new razor laptop can't handle sims 3 after the save file grew to a decent size. The last save broke and i had to delete it. And the CPU and GPU weren't even full in work, idk... I don't get how simmers like you have the game run so smoothly over time.
I have heard of this happening to a lot of people! There is a patch that can make a game work more smoothly (64 bit for PCs by a modder) and there is also a little hack about the save. If you notice your game starting to break or lag due to a large save, you should create a new save file of the same game. It won't be as laggy as it won't save memories!
there's actually a program made to shrink your save files by cleaning it. i think it's called save cleaner.
I almost forgot that it was a comparison, and not only about the sims 3 XD
oh my god you're hair looks so cuteeeeee you're really beautiful
The Sims 3 Seasons staring at me right now: You know you want me 👀
It being £30 or so 🥲 maybe another time
Lol! It's a great expansion! I'm hoping they'll have some sales for the holiday this year!
I'm hoping so too! My birthdays not too long before Black Friday sales so if I can hold on until then I'll be a very happy simmer indeed
you should make the sim change in the costumes you dont recognize :) your reaction to seeing it for the first time is nice
I love the Treat r Treating from TS3 but I also like Treat r Treating on the TS4. I wish we could have had a combination of both (going trick r treating & having trick r treaters come to our homes) for both TS3 & TS4.
Trick or Treaters come to your house in the Sims 3 as well. I've gotten them in my game.
@@skywalker8380 wow really. My game must be bugged because every time I play I never get any trick r treaters at my door, even now 😞
@@ki4815 Admittedly it hasn't happened very often to me😅 Don't give up hope, though. You might get lucky ☺️
@@skywalker8380 Thanks lol. I'm gonna try again.
I have done apple bobbing, but with a twist. So I was on the water polo team in high school and it was part of our Halloween practice tradition to have our coach chuck apples in the pool and we had to apple bob while in the pool. I haven't done traditional bobbing so I can't say if it's easier or not
There is a wear more costume mod by Scarlett (I think MizoreYukki took it over after Scarlett left the modding community) that adds the spooky day costumes to the seasons ones.
OMG! Sims 3 Seasons I could play for HOURS! I once played it all night. No joke. Spooky Day was perfect in that game! I remember having little Bella and Mortimer go trick or treating together! 😊
Yay Spooky season! The haunted house is always my favorite🎃🖤
I'm so happy it's finally here! 🎃
In Scotland we call it “dooking” for apples! 🏴🖤🎃
Loved this video Cindy, your so down to earth, honest and naturally pretty, If Seasons ever got an refresh, they should add trick or treating in your Sims lot neighbourhood and seasonal festivals from the Sims 3.
I won a bobbing contest once! I got my sinuses full of gross water though haha!
I love your comparison videos so much!!
Happy Spooky Month!
The first and only time I ever bobbed for apples was at my nephews 3 birthday party, no clue why we were doing that. A three year olds birthday party? In the middle of the summer?
I have bobbed for apples! LOL, like 30 years ago, my church had a fall festival (to attempt to prevent kids from celebrating Halloween, you know those things) and they had one. I was too young to think about germs.
OMG, I got soooo many of the witch gnomes from that Haunted House! Never turned into a ghost, but got the touched by one moodlet alot, along with pretty much all the others. Yes, that was my favorite holiday in TS3 as well. I had several sims whose goal was to get all the gnomes, so went thru that haunted house alot.
Hahahaha... I don't think I've ever done a party in TS4 but I use the spooky day stuff to decorate haunted houses. Though I do use the bowl for trick or treaters. I obviously added it to my game, lol, it was the first thing I added in seasons. Since I've not done a party I actually didn't know they had all those extra costumes for the party.
Uh, I know how they could do trick or treating in TS4. Have the kid visit a lot and on spooky day only they can trick or treat instead of knocking on the door. Or it does it automatically on that day when they do knock on the door. Oh, but that sounds like too much work for them. Sorry.
Cindies hair is thicker than mine so im actually jealous of her
Just wanted to mention I noticed your hair is looking great, Cindy! The spironolactone definitely looks like it’s working!!! I’m happy for you 😊😊😊😊
I bobbed for apples exactly once in my life as a kid and didn't really think about how gross it was until right after I did it. I never bobbed for apples again 😅 The easiest fix for how they could've approached trick or treating for or playable children in TS4 would've just been to make it a rabbit hole. Your kids could disappear for an hour or two and then come back with a trick or treating buff and candy in their inventory. I have no idea why they didn't just give us that 🤷🏿♀️
Well, since I don't have TS3 seasons, looks like I'll be celebrating Spooky Day Sims 4 style! At least I have both packs, and I think it could be loads worse. Now, I'm going to go scounge for cash to get Supernatural.
I agree Cindy! Spooky Month is my favorite too. ^-^
Are you going to be watching some spooky movies? Disney+ has some good Halloween movies, and I can't wait to watch Hocus Pocus. ^-^
Had the worst day and honestly your videos always make me so happy and thankyou for all you do cindy!
Was just going bed then had some bad news, (10.46pm here) so finding Cindy has uploaded a new video means I can try and ground myself and relax a tint bit, ♡ this was a super good watch thank you
So sorry about your bad news. Hope everything is okay!
@@PleasantSims I'm not so sure at the moment, but thank you lovely xo
I've bobbed for apples but in Scotland it's "dooking" for apples except we held a fork in our mouths and dropped it to try to stab an apple :)
HAHA! That's so funny! I would love to see that!
My parents made us dook for apples with our faces 😂 the water always ends up tasting like facepaint
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Hi Cindy hope you are doing okay. Loved the video. I wanted to know if you could do a video on how to cook recipes and how to use the food in your icebox on the Sims 3. I haven't figured out how to do that yet. And also how to use the Pizza Oven too. Thank you for your videos that informs us, it helps me alot.💜💙💚💛🧡❤️
The Sims 3 wins the day at every turn when compared to The Sims 4 - in my humble opinion.
I've never participated in apple bobbing and as far as I know I don't know anyone who has. But I have been in a pie eating contest years ago with my dads ex wife and other strangers but neither of us won from what I remember
Oh wow!! A real pie eating contest! What did the winner get??
Yes Sims3 was awesome for holidays and fun for sure. Sims4 kinda falls flat and always has. :( Have hopes for Sims 5 though. 8D Your video was great! I love the haunted house with the animations. :D
9:16 I guess EA didn’t want to go with smash instead?
Idk how but I got Unsubbed from you and I’m so glad I noticed, I have so much to catch up on!
I did apple bobbing in preschool. I was worried about drowning 😂
well, I can't belive I'm typing this, but I prefear how they did it in the sims 4 (except that you need 2 packs to have everything -_- ) because it feels a little more international. The Sims is a life simulation game in the USA. I'm spanish and I've never celebrated spooky day. I've never gone trick or treat, carved a pumpking or participate (or see) an eating contest. I went to a disco to dance with a costume once but it is for cultural influence and it was a weekend, it's not a tradition, just an excuse. On 1st of November there's the tradtion of going to the cementery and honoring your dead ones (but I don't think many people does it) it is el día de los muertos but we don't have such a strong tradition as in Mexico. So I like that in the Sims 4 you can choose if you want to include it in your gameplay and I saw there's an option of the traditions to choose that is "rememberance" so it's cool.
Does the mom not know or care that her kid’s probably traumatized by that haunted house?
The haunted hause was so op in the sims 3. I just sent in my sims repeteadly to farm tickets😩😩😩
Lol! That's a good strategy!!
I grew up in a really great place, we used to trick or treat with our friends while all the parents hung out on our porch handing out candy. Good memories.
I only participated in Apple bobbing once during a school party in my kindergarten year after that never seen or done it again.
It's one of those things that everyone knows about, but we rarely ever see it! LOL
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Thank you!!
I love this video. You should do it for the other holidays! I've never really played around with the Sims 4 Spooky day, not sure why not. I do wish they could have made it so kids could go trick or treating. They could make it like how they go to school, they go "away" and come back a few hours later with treats or tricks and a moodlet...sorry emotion to match depending on what they got. Not as fun as the SIm 3 but at least something.
Beautiful!!! I love this stuff!
Also! Your hair looks beautiful girl!
You’re a Halloween person too it seems haha *sept 30th let’s post a Halloween video I probably filmed mid september” haha
Don't get me wrong I love Sims 4, I just wish it was more like Sims 3 for gameplay, every time I go in to play festivals in Sims 3, I always feel depresssed that Sims 4 didn't do it the same way.
Hey Cindy, You look amazing! I love these comparison videos, very informative.
The 3 people who disliked this video are the fly and it's two children.
The way how TS4 Team did that in game concert and the weekly competitions in Hanford-on-bagley, they could update seasons to include those seasonal festivals from TS3 in TS4, which can happen in Willow Creek. I’m really hoping that this gameplay happens in the refreshes.
ITS SPOOK SZN BABY!!!!
Thanks!
Id like Sims 4 Spooky Day more if the Spooky Stuff wasnt a separate stuff pack that I refuse to buy. I love Sims 3 Seasons, I love the details of carving, and the activities of eating contest and apple bobbing, and the haunted houses. Let alone the specialized parties and trick or treating. It feels like every age gets something fun to do!
If you play around with the length of the seasons in Sims 3, then the day Spooky day (or each corresponding seasonal “day”) falls on changes. I believe if you set Fall to 10 days then Spooky day will fall on a Saturday instead of Thursday!
Love you Cindy, you're the freaking bomb!!!
Aww, right back at ya! 💙
@@PleasantSims So glad you're back
Someone did an apple bobbing thing for a Halloween party… but I missed it. Still have yet to do or see it. 😭
You should do a Video of Loilta Goth, because we still have not solved this case yet and I'm trying to figure that out too.