When hiding the half blood prince's book, Harry does the following: "Would he be able to find this spot again amidst all this junk? Seizing the chipped bust of an ugly old warlock from on top of a nearby crate, he stood it on top of the cupboard where the book was now hidden, perched a dusty old wig and a tarnished tiara on the statue’s head to make it more distinctive, then sprinted back through the alleyways of hidden junk as fast as he could go, back to the door, back out onto the corridor, where he slammed the door behind him, and it turned at once back into stone." That Tiara is the Diadem of Ravenclaw.
Aside a few exceptions, Rowling foreshadows purposefully for each specific book, but it usually doesn't go beyond said book. What she does more than that is take what is established and build on it giving the impression it was planned all along i.e. the vanishing cabinet. Imo, her best bit of foreshadowing was the "glint in Dumbledore's eyes" in Goblet of Fire with the payoff in Hallows. That bit was brilliant.
@damgful sorry I didn't mean to send the nerd emoji I meant to send another one. Can't remember which but I think they were next to each other at the time
The 13 to dine thing also comes up twice again. At Harry's first night in 12 Grimmauld Place, there are 13 people present for dinner and Sirius is the first to rise from his seat. Then in DH, there are 13 present to drink a toast in memory of Moody and Remus is the first to leave.
22:45 I think what's actually happening is Firenze getting in trouble for getting in between Harry and Voldemort. Centaurs can see into the future looking at the stars and planets, yet the only problem is.. they aren't always very accurate to the date, meaning they could be off by a few years. What the centaurs thaught they where witnessing what happened at the end of book 7, Voldemort killing Harry in the forbidden forest, ending the war, and eventually ending voldemort. Meaning the very end of the series was foreshadowed in book 1.
My favorite tidbit is in the first book, when Hagrid shows up on Privet Drive on the flying motorcycle with baby Harry. He mentions to Dumbledore and McGonagall that Sirius Black lent him the motorcycle. Looking back on it, it doesn't make much sense for Sirius Black, who had just sold out Harry's parents to Voldemort, to offer his motorcycle up for Hagrid to take Harry on. Unless Sirius actually had no part in that. It's not something you'd remember when reading Prisoner of Azkaban for the first time, but it's pretty clear to me now that Sirius was obviously never a bad guy.
Just to correct the record… You said the scene in the movie with the boggart turning into the moon didn’t happen. But it did. And it happened almost exactly like in the movie. Ron’s legless spider rolls in front of Harry. Harry gets ready. Lupin shouts “Here!” and jumps front of Harry. The boggart vanishes and the students look all around and finally spot a silvery white orb. Lupin dispenses of the boggart. (Later on, a student even wonders why Professor Lupin is afraid of crystal balls.) Which is why Harry says “why didn’t you let me fight it?” Then they have that conversation you quoted.
Yep good catch, I also noticed after the fact that when Harry is training to fight dementors, as he is passing out the boggart switches to a silvery orb for lupin.
@@VaultLorethat may be. I’ll pay attention on my next reread. But the time I’m talking about was in class in the chapter The Boggart in the Wardrobe. The movie follows it almost exactly.
@@VaultLoreI also wanted to say I really enjoyed the video. I’ve niticed that Ron says quite a few things that seem to foreshadow or even be almost prophetic. Now I’m thinking I’ve only noticed a few and I’ll be paying attention to things Ron says. Much more carefully.
Regarding Horcruxes, they don’t really exist until book 6. From a writing standpoint if they existed earlier they would be used as a Macguffin or red herring earlier. Tom Riddle’s diary is a retcon, sort of like Loki’s Scepter, the tesseract, and the aether becoming infinity stones in the MCU. The concept of Voldemort being a repeatable villain and a hard sumofabitch to kill is obviously early on and harry having a part of Voldemort in him is, but the exact mechanism isn’t figured out until later.
Another small part of foreshadowing I noticed was in the very first book when Harry gets Dumbledore's chocolate frog card, Ron says "I have six of him". Dumbledore then dies in the sixth book.
"The chamber pots room" was mentioned in book 5 when Dobby told Harry about the Room of Requirement. It goes as follows- 'And if you really needed a bathroom," said Harry, suddenly remembering something Dumbledore had said at the Yule Ball the previous christmas, 'would it fill itself with chamber pots?'
with the Firenze and Bane thing from book 1 looking back I thought it might have been foreshadowing Harry's death to Voldemort in that very forest. They were upset that Firenze averted harry dying that night.
The plot holes video came up on my feed a couple days ago and ever since i've binge watched all your harry potter videos and re discovered my childhood love for the series. I'd fall asleep to the audiobooks every night and was introduced to them around the age of 5 through the chamber of secrets movie. Don't stop making videos, these are great and i'll keep watching!
I have long felt that both Petunia and Snape were let off easy at the end of the stories, (esp with the deleted scene where Petunia telling Harry she had lost a sister)... If either or both Snape and Petunia had truly loved Lilly they would not have treated her son (despite what they felt about James) anywhere as badly as they each did. Having Snape being a double spy doesn't clear him of his behavior towards Harry, he may have been brave but he was still a terrible person, and it wasn't just to Harry~ a teacher who winds up being a student's greatest fear, as with Neville, just shouldn't be allowed. Harry should never have named his son for him.
Yeah and even if they genuinly loved lily, that still would not excuse the abuse, in the slightest, a character can be relatable or sympathetic in one point, but still be terrible people overall. Its even quite common for parents and partners to love the child/partner they abuse . . . Does not make it any better Snapes love for lily does not change he is a pretty amoral ahole who delighted in cruelty towords kids passing along abuse he suffered from as a kid
In all honesty, I think they were originally very black & white one note boring characters who were just bad and mean, the first two books are very basic & made for children, it was just aunt bad, teacher bad, later on they needed character development and idk just didn’t pay off great, especially in the movies
Remus John Lupin... if you know your mythology you'd likely have seen the reveal about him right when we first get his name as it's a double-barrel shotgun blast when you know Lupin (or Lupine) is a term related to Wolves - Romulus & Remus, the twins who were raised by a she-*wolf* before growing up to build the first incarnation of Rome (named after Romulus).
It became painfully clear in Philosopher's stone , and even much more in the following books that Dumbledore was not only aware of everything happening, but he was intentionally manipulating people into certain events happening. Cleary he was testing, and training Harry from the start. After Chamber Dumbledore had successfully indoctrinated Harry into total loyalty. Thus making Dumbledore's job easier. Whether it was hiring the perfect DADA teacher for the plot of each year, or crazy things like sending first yrs into a dark dangerous forest with a unicorn killer hanging around, or givingva 13 yr old a time turner to manipulate time because.....she needed time ...for extra classes? Like there wasn't a genuis wizard before Hermoine that never got one. From choosing Mad Eye the exact time Wormtail escaped, and Crouch Jr. escaped Askaban and kidnapped Moody. Certain things had to happen ,impossible, incredible things that would of changed the story if they didn't happen. He just happened to hire Slughorn the same yr they were seeking Horcruxes? Giving Harry , a friggen 1st yr one of the Deathly Hollows , so he could eventually find the mirror of Erised. I knew by POA that Dumbledore was directing everything and that Snape was a double agent. There are so many clues to this. The adults in this world are portrayed as inept, impulsive, and some outright evil.
The Horcruxes and Occlumency I reckon to be more revisionism by Rowling. She never could have expected the books or movies to take off so she was just playing around with ambiguous concepts of telepathy and possession and then gave them and unique labels once she got to book 4-ish. It also explains why she went for werewolves instead of vampires for Lupin as it gave her more flexibility in future books.
I always figured Harry shocking Vernon in OOTP was just reflexive magic, kind of like him ending up on the roof to get away from Dudley's gang when he was younger. I don't know that it had anything to do with him being a Horcrux, and the fact that he wasn't a deliberate one does make a difference. It explains why he didn't affect those around him the way the locket later did. As for the blood of the enemy thing, I think even Voldemort hinted that someone else's blood might have completed the ritual, he just believed Harry's blood would give him the protection he wanted. One foreshadowing example you missed was Wormtail's death, hinted at all the way back in book four when Voldemort creates his silver hand. He delivers the line "May your loyalty never waver again, Wormtail." Then in DH when Wormtail seems on the point of letting Harry go, the hand turns on him and chokes him to death.
Much of this wasn't a surprise to me, though I didn't read HP until 2021 and I'm in my late 50s. I think it takes an adult mind to understand that true foreshadowing is designed to leave you ignorant until the writer chooses otherwise, so don't beat your 10-year-old self up too much. I also think it takes an adult mind to understand Dumbledore. I wish people would look at the bigger picture regarding his actions and motives. Though I could write an essay, suffice it to say that if you are the chief enemy and you don't have an army at your disposal, you are forced to run a resistance organisation. in such circumstances, information and its dissemination becomes your primary weapon and safeguard. Group members cannot reveal,when captured, what they do not know. Timing then becomes critical: what to tell whom, and when to tell them. Did Dumbledore always get the timing right? No, of course not because he is human - for all that he is also a powerful wizard. I think the fandom has a big problem with this; they expect the chief good guy to also be perfect. Yet, Dumbledore, unlike many real human gbeings I know, is self-aware enough to admit his errors. He is also all too aware of the over-riding imperative: the war must be won at all costs. Everything else must be subjugate to that imperative if the world you know and those you care about are to be safe. He can't allow his growing affection for Harry to stand in its way no matter how much he may wish to. Voldemort activated the prophecy once he gave it credence, forcing Dumbledore and Harry to play their parts. Fanfic writer and Dumbledore sceptic, Perverse Idyll, put it this way: "Of course, it could be said in Dumbledore's defence that he'd been forced to play - and it hadn't been a game. If he'd lost, the broken trust of a teenage boy would have been the least of the ensuing disaster." I am thoroughly convinced that although HP began as a story for children, it certainly did not evolve that way. There are layers upon layers of nuance which I find fascinating. Thanks for yet another thought-provoking presentation. As a recent and older reader of HP it is all too easy for me to forget that waiting for new books to arrive would have produced a very different reading - at least initially.
The centaurs talk about how the planets mean harry should be killed by Voldemort in the Forrest in the chapter “the forest” book 1. Only later in “the forest again” in book 7 does harry finally die in the forest. They thought they got in the way of fate in that first chapter. But in book 5 Firenze talks about how centaurs predictions could be over huge periods of time. So they had the correct prediction but the wrong date by 7 years…
I loved this theory from the Super Carlin Brothers. Basically, the centaurs have seen in the stars that Voldemort will kill Harry in the Forrest. They know that it will happen, but not when, so in philosopher’s stone, the other centaurs don’t want to interfere with the potential fate of Harry being being attacked by Voldemort on that night.
I love your videos. You go and do these great deep dives into the source material and talk about things that I thought I was the only one to notice when I first read and then reread the books. The best part is that you aren’t smug about it and act like you think you are so much smarter than everyone else like some creators who talk about HP can be. Love the content and can’t wait to see more!
Thanks for the great comment! I am genuinely just a normal reader. Lots of things I probably get wrong along the way, but hopefully that’s part of the charm of the channel!
@ that is part of the charm is that you are just a fan and a normal reader just like the rest of us. Keep up the great work and you will have me for a sub as long as you are making great content
1:03:46 the entire Lore of the DH’s is that whoever can unite all three becomes the Master of Death. Much like when Harry was able to obtain the Sorcerer’s/Philosopher’s Stone from the mirror of Erised (he wanted to have it, but not use it. Just keep it away from Voldemort, who was actively trying to subvert/overcome Death) Harry never really sought to reunite the Hallows for a nefarious purpose. In fact, he was most interested in the resurrection stone, because he had already had a special relationship with Death. Not only had he watched so many people who he loved be taken in by Death (‘like an old friend’), he was actually also a great descendant of Ignotus Peverell, the brother who had received Death’s Cloak of Invisibility. He was basically destined/fated to become the Master of Death because he wasn’t actually trying to live forever or beat Death, but instead he was trying to deliver Voldy to him.
The scene where Vernon gets "shocked" for attacking Harry, I figured that was just his mom's protection shielding him. Since Vernon had become a threat to Harry, he got a VERY mild dose of whatever took Quirrell out as a warning
57:22 Regarding the kidnapping, one of the most horrific theories I’ve heard is based on the unfounded/undebunkable claim that Bertha was pregnant. After she was killed & made horcrux fuel, they took said theoretical foetus & Moldy possessed it.
Here's another "Ron foreshadowing" moment: after he and Harry look at Harry's tea leaves, taking his own dream journal/predictions but *applying* them to Harry foreshadows the 3 tasks (here the "friend" is BCJ)
See, Ron is so logical. He can actually break the 4th wall in his foreshadowing! LOL! 😂 Also wanted to mention Harry was pretty good at reading Ron, too. "So you are gonna suffer, but be happy." When he saw the sideways cross for Ron. Meaning losing Fred along with the Hortacrux stuff, but getting to be with Hermione and having a family of his own in the end. It's all about perspective.
5:50 In an interview for the Chamber of secrets Movie, which was made around the time the 4th Book was released. She stated that a few scenes had to be done exactly Like in the Book (but she didnt say which), since they would be Important for the end of the Story. Looking back, it were Most certainly the scenes with the diary. So we can assume she had at least a Rough idea about Horkruxes, thus the Connection between Harry and Voldemort could also already been in the back of her Head.
I listened through all of them earlier this year and i surprisingly noticed most of these, but that's of course with seeing all of the movies countless times
18:31 Or, much more likely, he was talking about Mad-Eye Moody, who was actually Barty Crouch Jr. and Harry trusted as a friend too. You know, the one who actually did stab Harry in the back instead of Ron, who just had two fights with Harry along with brief falling outs like human friends often do. Backstabbing friends don't apologize and come back.
@VaultLore That's okay. I just don't like it when people go after Ron for simply being human. And you could make the argument the other way, too. But just to a lesser extent. Then again, that's the thing about divination. It never has one concrete meaning. It depends upon the interpreter. Which is why Hermione is so quick to dismiss its legitimacy as a magical art. Along with the fact she's not good at it, LOL.
@VaultLore Please let the new tv series do book Ron justice. Put him back at the level of the rest of the trio. Because he embodies love. That's all I ask! He deserves it!
23:45 the ‚mars is bright tonight‘ comment is especially interesting, when you know that professor quirrels first name is ‚quirinus‘. Who is quirinus? You might ask. Quirinus is an alternative name to the roman/greek god of war, mars/ares. In a scene, where just a few moments prior, Quirrle sneaked though the woods, killing unicorns and drinking their blood to regain his power, possibly to ‚Shine brighter‘ in the sense of ‚being more active than usually‘, a magical being, capable of reading prophecies, talks about the mars. Maybe im interpreting too much into it, but maybe bane knew, that quirinus (mars) quirrel was the murderer of the unicorn.
i can imagine that JKR had the idea of room of requirement as a funny element of magic castle, but found a good storyline use for this idea later and developed it. it happened to me a few times, when i make a mention of somethuing in my story because i think it would be a fun detail, and later i find a great use for this detail
To bolster your theory about the Christmas gifts foreshadowing the deathly hollows: toothpick = elder wand tissue = cloak of invisiblity 50 pence = resurrection stone - but why? Also a stretch, as publishing a book takes some time, but hear me out: The first Harry Potter book was released in 1997, where the first present of the 50 pence is given (never read the books, this is what google told me and actually the theory would be more sound if it was in a later book) In 1997 an incredibly rare 50 pence coin was released into circulation, having freesia on one side. Freesia is associated to mean trust and friendship, but also a deeply rooted love. The resurrection stone is meant to bring back a loved person. A person you trusted. Like characterized by a freesia. Maybe the Dursleys wanted to be cheap by just sending 50 pence, not realizing how valuable that coin actually was? Just my little theory to fill that gap =)
I don't get Voldemort cursed the ring and kill whoever puts it on, but he didn't do the same with the locket to protect the horcrux with good measure. Then he would have eliminated the trio wandering around in the woods hiding while they look for more horcruxes and a way to figure out how to destroy them, or at least Hermione and Ron Harry would have been immune since he had one in him already. Also should have cursed the cup of Hufflepuff whoever tries to take it dies.
What about the foreshadowing that JK missed? Obvious foreshadowing without a payoff. The position of DADA teacher was cursed. A new teacher every year. Harry shows real aptitude for teaching DADA to his fellow students. Harry defeats V and goes on to be..... an auror?! Working for the ministry that made his life hell for 7 books? Not the final DADA teacher, breaking the curse on the position? Working for the place he called home, that was a respite away from the Dursleys. Leaving it open to have future books about him and students he's teaching? Huge missed opportunity.
I will forever complain about this. "Hogwarts is my home" AND IT COULD'VE LITERALLY BEEN HIS HOME You're telling me he FINALLY has a family, and he sends them off to school 7/8ths of the year? He would absolutely want to be around them as much as possible, and being a teacher he could see them all the time. What better ending than for him to finally get a break from hunting and have peace? He could even become a Quidditch coach. Even having him become a pro Quidditch player would've been a better career for him than an auror 🤦🏻♀️ Auror would've fit Ron better (alone) since he was always wanting to be in a position of power. Just look at their Mirror of Erised - Ron as Head Boy, Harry with family.
I really appreciate the effort you put into these videos. From your narration, to presentation style, to editing, it's so well done, and never over the top. In regards to the bit about the boggart and how powerful a Voldemort version of it would be, I rather wondered what form it would take. Would it just turn into the two-faced Quirrell? Or maybe just the shadowy-cloaked form we see in the Forbidden Forest in the Philosophers stone? I also figured that, seeing as how feared Voldemort was to the general wizarding world, I thought for sure it would be the #1 fear of many of the children. But that begs another question- would the boggart only be able to turn into something you've physically seen? Boggarts are such a cool part of the lore for me, and I love the idea that Moody is (possibly) the only person who can see the "natural" form of a boggart, as his magical eye allows him to see through solid objects.
The foe glass foreshadowing is one I never even considered until you brought it up. That's crazy. Even through my re reads I always just attributed it to the fact that Barty is the main viliian of that book so of course Snape and the others would be in the foe glass since they are the good guys for that book.
I currently read the books to my son and I keep finding little details. We read the part with Filch mentioning Peeves breaking the vanishing cabinet just yesterday. So Fred and George are kinda responsible for Dumbledore's death :/
56:09 Foreshadowing is just planting seeds for something that pays off later on. Nothing about it implies that it needs to be able to be guessed by the reader ahead of time.
@TeylaDex yes. But the mirror was not in the room of requirement that was presenting itself as an empty classroom, it was just in an actual empty classroom. Harry does not find the room of requirement in sorcerers stone
If we are to assume that the idea of a horcrux was there from the start, Voldemort being flippant with its use is understandable, it is a ridiculously hard to destroy item and Voldemort was always over confident, so he had no real fear of harry a student figuring out what it is, or if he did why would Voldemort assume he could get access to one of the few things that can damage it
To be honest to me it doesn't matter if the foreshadowing was intentional or not. For me, the foreshadowing is there and that makes the books even more magical 🥰
38:00 his name is also Remus, and during the war his code name for the radio show was Romulus, the names of famous lycanthrope twins from Greek mythology.
One curious thing in regards to the room of requirement is a line the PC game of Philosopher's Stone, right at the start. Dumbledore greets Harry (aka the player) and tells him that Hogwarts is full of secrets. He then goes on to recount a story of finding a room full of Chocolate Frogs which later turned into a room full of firecrabs. And I realized later that that line sounds very similar to the line used in Goblet of Fire, so I'm wondering if the game developers were referencing it (was book 4 already out at the time?) or if someone close to Rowing, or even Rowling herself, wrote it for the game. The latter seems a bit odd as there is no known record of Rowling being involved in the games. But it is a curious one.
12:10 what you mean shot in the dark isn't it the main feature of the dumbledore fork of snape / lilly protection if theres harry's blood around him these protected , better than horcruxes , if voldy has his blood attached to earth he's doing what the dursleys being doing since ever
To answer your question about planning ahead: I read somewhere that Rowling had at least a version of the ending planned when she began on the first book. Though obviously who was in the ending and who wasn't changed throughout the series, but the basics were there, so it's possible that the horcruxes were already a thing.
I think you give the centaurs not enough credit. They could have predicted the penultimate battle between Harry and Voldemort, which led to Voldemorts downfall and happened in the forest. In the first book Harry and Voldemort were both in the forest and Voldemort was about to attack and kill Harry. If we assume, that prophecies aren't crystal clear descriptions of the things that will happen in the future, but could be interpreted in various ways, they could mistake the book 7 situation with the one in book 1.
Also Snape could be an opportunist with our knowledge of the first 4 books. He could have sided with Dumbledore just because Voldemort was gone. And maybe he didn't want to risk his life until he knew that Voldemort was back and could win against Dumbledore. Even later, him spying for both sides could also mean that he can flip to the winning side at the right moment. Only his connection to Lily assures us that he can not flip back.
Could be wrong, but I thought the fetus thing was Voldemort prime’s soul? As in, Voldemort prime and Harry were both in kings cross, but prime’s soul was so mangled that he appeared as a gross fetus
Am I crazy or did you not mention Harry finding Rowena's diadem in the room of requirement when he hid the potions book? That's like one of the most obvious ones
@@VaultLore I watched it in parts and didn't remember if you mentioned it or not. That one is the one I remember more vividly, the first time I read the books when I was 14 that was a huge "Oh shit" moment lmao
@@L251125 theres no way you picked that up on first read, but disregarding that - you said it yourself its 'the most obvious one'. Why would Vault waste time telling us the things we already know?
@@c4ctusc4ctusc4ctus I did, and I think it's not a stretch to believe that. Especially if one reads them back to back. And the point of the video is to point them out, I don't know what your problem is.
page 394 referencing something specific in the book would be very difficult to pull off as some editions of the book have more or less pages than others. in my copy of Prisoner of Azkaban, page 394 begins partway through Sirius explaining how he managed not to go insane while he was in Azkaban.
I love me some good foreshadowing, i rewatch the 100 tv show alot lolol and there always seems to be something new some little thing i think ive almost seen em all now hut it does a really good job foreshadowing across all seasons
You missed the confirmation that Hagrid knew ALL about horcruxes 1. 1st book " Thats NO ordinary scar Harry, you only get a scar like that from a curse....AND AN EVIL ONE AT THAT" Horcrux spells are inherently evil 2. Hagrid was IN SCHOOL with TOM RIDDLE Hagrid KNEW Riddle was a bad guy , cuz Riddle set Hagrid up for the death Myrtle By framing Aragog. Hagrid kept a weather eye on him thereafter, for sure 3.Obiviosly Hagrid finds out Riddle is doing shady stuff, maybe he hears him say he wants a spell to live forever who knows. But HAGRID TELLS DUMBLEDORE. HE maybe didnt know the word horcrux but HAGRID PUTS DUMBLEDORE ON THE TRAIL. 4.back to 1st book McGonagall asks where is Harry? DUMBLEDORE says Hagrids bringing him McGonagall says " u trust Hagrid with that? DUMBLEDORE says I Trust Hagrid with MY LIFE. HAGRID KNEW EVERYTHING and plays the oaf to throw off both sides
Hagrid could have known about what Riddle was up to anyway beforehand maybe he had a deal with Riddle I won't tell about your Death Eater We wanna Live Foever club You don't tell anyone about my BIG FUCKING SPIDER
I remember reading the first book in the 4th grade and then the movie was coming out that next school year and it was this big thing cause I had gotten into the books… she only had the first 4 books out at the time, right? And she released books 5-7 after the movies were already in production. I think because of this I always assumed the ending wasn’t planned from the beginning. Like.. it wasn’t a state secret or anything at the time?
I dont remember if this is headcanon or foreshadowing. But in book 1 the classroom that harry stumbles on to find the mirror of erised. When trying to find it again im almost certain follows how you get into the room of requirement
I’m pretty sure jk Rowling had all major things figured out before she started book 1. She has said so in interviews. Horcruxes were definitely planned from the beginning as that’s the reason Voldemort didn’t die. And she had to have that reason figured out. Even Hagrid says, “I don’t think he had enough human left in him to die” Also I don’t think Lucius was ordered to give Ginny the diary. That was his own idea to get Dumbledore fired and give himself more power. And the fact the diary was destroyed got him into trouble with Voldemort.
21:50 this is a plot hole, not foreshadowing. Just a chapter or two later harry says Voldemort while at Grimmauld place and nothing happens as a result
I wouldn’t say is a plot hole because after they say the name there are death eaters suddenly outside Grimmauld Place if I remember correctly. I’m pretty sure there’s a mention about Harry seeing death ratters out the window, and even then trying to find them there. The death eaters just can’t see Grimmauld Place because the house is protected by the Fidelius Charm, which I’m guessing is one of the only charms that the name jinx couldn’t break.
I actually just went back in read a couple of chapters and Ron asks that they don’t say the name once they are at the forest, once they can’t come back to Grimmauld Place. When they are in Grimmauld Place they do say the name and the Death Eaters are outside, they just can’t see the house.
@abfma9 when they are about to infiltrate the ministry harry says "let me know if you ever defeat Voldemort " whilst they are in Grimmauld. If the taboo was in place at Cherring cross,which is where they apparated after the wedding, then all of the enchantments protecting Grimmauld would have broke. It's a plot hole
Great video but what you are wrong in is the definition of “Snafu” it is not another word for mistake. It stands for Situation Normal-All F@ck Up” No worries. People use it wrong a lot. It just bugs me when they do… 😊
One point to make is that Rowling has said that she had plotted out the books for around 7 years before the first one was even published, and she’d already wrote the last chapter of the final book before completing the first book. With all that being said, it wouldn’t be silly to assume that this was all intentional foreshadowing which just highlights her genius even further.
Plot and story beats are not the same and if you look at the last chapter it is: Ron and Hermione go through a romance in the series. Harry respects Dumbledore and Snape exactly the same. Harry and Malfoy are on good terms. Harry isn’t as anti slytherin. Harry solves the issue of his Scar Pain. He learns about his parents. Harry and Ginny are married (legitimately the first wizard girl he sees iirc). He has full immersion into the wizarding world. There is other orphans after a war like he was: But ultimately All is well. That’s super easy to draft after book 1 and is the plot of the book series.
Of course, JK Rowling knew.... The series is a perfect ring. Each book is a ring. Jk Rowling is a literal genius. Just Google Harry Potter and Ring Composition for podcasts, articles, and books explaining ring composition and referencing the whole series. Coming on... do a bit of research before recording such a video...
more than half of this stuff was or would've been happy accidents. JK has admitted that herself. Like Vault said, it was meant to just be one children's book when it was first written. There are SO many plotholes, thus proving your divine queen isnt a genius and is just a good writer. Maybe YOU should do some research before leaving stupid, demeaning and utterly rude comments on a video. Or better yet, make your own instead of hating on someone else's work...
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Ron says in Divination "You're gonna die but be happy about it?"
Basically everything Ron says actually. He is strangely prophetic all along. And then gets attacked by the brains.
When hiding the half blood prince's book, Harry does the following:
"Would he be able to find this spot again amidst all this junk? Seizing the chipped bust of an ugly old warlock from on top of a nearby crate, he stood it on top of the cupboard where the book was now hidden, perched a dusty old wig and a tarnished tiara on the statue’s head to make it more distinctive, then sprinted back through the alleyways of hidden junk as fast as he could go, back to the door, back out onto the corridor, where he slammed the door behind him, and it turned at once back into stone."
That Tiara is the Diadem of Ravenclaw.
Aside a few exceptions, Rowling foreshadows purposefully for each specific book, but it usually doesn't go beyond said book. What she does more than that is take what is established and build on it giving the impression it was planned all along i.e. the vanishing cabinet.
Imo, her best bit of foreshadowing was the "glint in Dumbledore's eyes" in Goblet of Fire with the payoff in Hallows. That bit was brilliant.
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When the centaurs said that Harry was supposed to die in that forest in book 1 was brilliant too
@damgful sorry I didn't mean to send the nerd emoji I meant to send another one. Can't remember which but I think they were next to each other at the time
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You could have just edited your comment.
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The 13 to dine thing also comes up twice again. At Harry's first night in 12 Grimmauld Place, there are 13 people present for dinner and Sirius is the first to rise from his seat. Then in DH, there are 13 present to drink a toast in memory of Moody and Remus is the first to leave.
Oh nice! I didn’t find those ones
22:45 I think what's actually happening is Firenze getting in trouble for getting in between Harry and Voldemort. Centaurs can see into the future looking at the stars and planets, yet the only problem is.. they aren't always very accurate to the date, meaning they could be off by a few years. What the centaurs thaught they where witnessing what happened at the end of book 7, Voldemort killing Harry in the forbidden forest, ending the war, and eventually ending voldemort. Meaning the very end of the series was foreshadowed in book 1.
My favorite tidbit is in the first book, when Hagrid shows up on Privet Drive on the flying motorcycle with baby Harry.
He mentions to Dumbledore and McGonagall that Sirius Black lent him the motorcycle. Looking back on it, it doesn't make much sense for Sirius Black, who had just sold out Harry's parents to Voldemort, to offer his motorcycle up for Hagrid to take Harry on. Unless Sirius actually had no part in that.
It's not something you'd remember when reading Prisoner of Azkaban for the first time, but it's pretty clear to me now that Sirius was obviously never a bad guy.
Lavender Brown mentioned in the book - "I wonder why is prof Lupin scared of crystal balls?"
Cause he knew Sybill T could yeet that sht... just ask greyback what happens to a werewolf with a crystal ball
Just to correct the record… You said the scene in the movie with the boggart turning into the moon didn’t happen. But it did. And it happened almost exactly like in the movie. Ron’s legless spider rolls in front of Harry. Harry gets ready. Lupin shouts “Here!” and jumps front of Harry. The boggart vanishes and the students look all around and finally spot a silvery white orb. Lupin dispenses of the boggart. (Later on, a student even wonders why Professor Lupin is afraid of crystal balls.) Which is why Harry says “why didn’t you let me fight it?” Then they have that conversation you quoted.
Yep good catch, I also noticed after the fact that when Harry is training to fight dementors, as he is passing out the boggart switches to a silvery orb for lupin.
@@VaultLorethat may be. I’ll pay attention on my next reread. But the time I’m talking about was in class in the chapter The Boggart in the Wardrobe. The movie follows it almost exactly.
@@VaultLoreI also wanted to say I really enjoyed the video. I’ve niticed that Ron says quite a few things that seem to foreshadow or even be almost prophetic. Now I’m thinking I’ve only noticed a few and I’ll be paying attention to things Ron says. Much more carefully.
The constant foreshadower. Thanks for watching!
Regarding Horcruxes, they don’t really exist until book 6. From a writing standpoint if they existed earlier they would be used as a Macguffin or red herring earlier. Tom Riddle’s diary is a retcon, sort of like Loki’s Scepter, the tesseract, and the aether becoming infinity stones in the MCU.
The concept of Voldemort being a repeatable villain and a hard sumofabitch to kill is obviously early on and harry having a part of Voldemort in him is, but the exact mechanism isn’t figured out until later.
Agreed
Another small part of foreshadowing I noticed was in the very first book when Harry gets Dumbledore's chocolate frog card, Ron says "I have six of him". Dumbledore then dies in the sixth book.
"The chamber pots room" was mentioned in book 5 when Dobby told Harry about the Room of Requirement. It goes as follows-
'And if you really needed a bathroom," said Harry, suddenly remembering something Dumbledore had said at the Yule Ball the previous christmas, 'would it fill itself with chamber pots?'
with the Firenze and Bane thing from book 1 looking back I thought it might have been foreshadowing Harry's death to Voldemort in that very forest. They were upset that Firenze averted harry dying that night.
There is also a connection between the chapter names."The Forbidden Forest" and "The Forest Again".
The plot holes video came up on my feed a couple days ago and ever since i've binge watched all your harry potter videos and re discovered my childhood love for the series. I'd fall asleep to the audiobooks every night and was introduced to them around the age of 5 through the chamber of secrets movie. Don't stop making videos, these are great and i'll keep watching!
This is exactly what happened to me
Haha thank you all for watching! Glad you’re liking them!
Same! I love some good Harry Potter content!
Jim Dale narrates me through work all the time 😂
I have long felt that both Petunia and Snape were let off easy at the end of the stories, (esp with the deleted scene where Petunia telling Harry she had lost a sister)...
If either or both Snape and Petunia had truly loved Lilly they would not have treated her son (despite what they felt about James) anywhere as badly as they each did.
Having Snape being a double spy doesn't clear him of his behavior towards Harry, he may have been brave but he was still a terrible person, and it wasn't just to Harry~ a teacher who winds up being a student's greatest fear, as with Neville, just shouldn't be allowed.
Harry should never have named his son for him.
Yeah and even if they genuinly loved lily, that still would not excuse the abuse, in the slightest, a character can be relatable or sympathetic in one point, but still be terrible people overall. Its even quite common for parents and partners to love the child/partner they abuse . . . Does not make it any better
Snapes love for lily does not change he is a pretty amoral ahole who delighted in cruelty towords kids passing along abuse he suffered from as a kid
In all honesty, I think they were originally very black & white one note boring characters who were just bad and mean, the first two books are very basic & made for children, it was just aunt bad, teacher bad, later on they needed character development and idk just didn’t pay off great, especially in the movies
Remus John Lupin... if you know your mythology you'd likely have seen the reveal about him right when we first get his name as it's a double-barrel shotgun blast when you know Lupin (or Lupine) is a term related to Wolves - Romulus & Remus, the twins who were raised by a she-*wolf* before growing up to build the first incarnation of Rome (named after Romulus).
It became painfully clear in Philosopher's stone , and even much more in the following books that Dumbledore was not only aware of everything happening, but he was intentionally manipulating people into certain events happening. Cleary he was testing, and training Harry from the start. After Chamber Dumbledore had successfully indoctrinated Harry into total loyalty. Thus making Dumbledore's job easier. Whether it was hiring the perfect DADA teacher for the plot of each year, or crazy things like sending first yrs into a dark dangerous forest with a unicorn killer hanging around, or givingva 13 yr old a time turner to manipulate time because.....she needed time ...for extra classes? Like there wasn't a genuis wizard before Hermoine that never got one. From choosing Mad Eye the exact time Wormtail escaped, and Crouch Jr. escaped Askaban and kidnapped Moody. Certain things had to happen ,impossible, incredible things that would of changed the story if they didn't happen. He just happened to hire Slughorn the same yr they were seeking Horcruxes? Giving Harry , a friggen 1st yr one of the Deathly Hollows , so he could eventually find the mirror of Erised. I knew by POA that Dumbledore was directing everything and that Snape was a double agent. There are so many clues to this. The adults in this world are portrayed as inept, impulsive, and some outright evil.
'You DID do the thing properly, didn't you?' - Dumbledore to Harry in the hospital wing after he tells him he learned about Nicholas Flamel
The Horcruxes and Occlumency I reckon to be more revisionism by Rowling. She never could have expected the books or movies to take off so she was just playing around with ambiguous concepts of telepathy and possession and then gave them and unique labels once she got to book 4-ish. It also explains why she went for werewolves instead of vampires for Lupin as it gave her more flexibility in future books.
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I always figured Harry shocking Vernon in OOTP was just reflexive magic, kind of like him ending up on the roof to get away from Dudley's gang when he was younger. I don't know that it had anything to do with him being a Horcrux, and the fact that he wasn't a deliberate one does make a difference. It explains why he didn't affect those around him the way the locket later did. As for the blood of the enemy thing, I think even Voldemort hinted that someone else's blood might have completed the ritual, he just believed Harry's blood would give him the protection he wanted. One foreshadowing example you missed was Wormtail's death, hinted at all the way back in book four when Voldemort creates his silver hand. He delivers the line "May your loyalty never waver again, Wormtail." Then in DH when Wormtail seems on the point of letting Harry go, the hand turns on him and chokes him to death.
Much of this wasn't a surprise to me, though I didn't read HP until 2021 and I'm in my late 50s. I think it takes an adult mind to understand that true foreshadowing is designed to leave you ignorant until the writer chooses otherwise, so don't beat your 10-year-old self up too much.
I also think it takes an adult mind to understand Dumbledore. I wish people would look at the bigger picture regarding his actions and motives. Though I could write an essay, suffice it to say that if you are the chief enemy and you don't have an army at your disposal, you are forced to run a resistance organisation. in such circumstances, information and its dissemination becomes your primary weapon and safeguard. Group members cannot reveal,when captured, what they do not know. Timing then becomes critical: what to tell whom, and when to tell them. Did Dumbledore always get the timing right? No, of course not because he is human - for all that he is also a powerful wizard. I think the fandom has a big problem with this; they expect the chief good guy to also be perfect. Yet, Dumbledore, unlike many real human gbeings I know, is self-aware enough to admit his errors. He is also all too aware of the over-riding imperative: the war must be won at all costs. Everything else must be subjugate to that imperative if the world you know and those you care about are to be safe. He can't allow his growing affection for Harry to stand in its way no matter how much he may wish to. Voldemort activated the prophecy once he gave it credence, forcing Dumbledore and Harry to play their parts.
Fanfic writer and Dumbledore sceptic, Perverse Idyll, put it this way: "Of course, it could be said in Dumbledore's defence that he'd been forced to play - and it hadn't been a game. If he'd lost, the broken trust of a teenage boy would have been the least of the ensuing disaster."
I am thoroughly convinced that although HP began as a story for children, it certainly did not evolve that way. There are layers upon layers of nuance which I find fascinating. Thanks for yet another thought-provoking presentation. As a recent and older reader of HP it is all too easy for me to forget that waiting for new books to arrive would have produced a very different reading - at least initially.
The centaurs talk about how the planets mean harry should be killed by Voldemort in the Forrest in the chapter “the forest” book 1. Only later in “the forest again” in book 7 does harry finally die in the forest. They thought they got in the way of fate in that first chapter. But in book 5 Firenze talks about how centaurs predictions could be over huge periods of time. So they had the correct prediction but the wrong date by 7 years…
I loved this theory from the Super Carlin Brothers. Basically, the centaurs have seen in the stars that Voldemort will kill Harry in the Forrest. They know that it will happen, but not when, so in philosopher’s stone, the other centaurs don’t want to interfere with the potential fate of Harry being being attacked by Voldemort on that night.
I love your videos. You go and do these great deep dives into the source material and talk about things that I thought I was the only one to notice when I first read and then reread the books. The best part is that you aren’t smug about it and act like you think you are so much smarter than everyone else like some creators who talk about HP can be. Love the content and can’t wait to see more!
Thanks for the great comment! I am genuinely just a normal reader. Lots of things I probably get wrong along the way, but hopefully that’s part of the charm of the channel!
@ that is part of the charm is that you are just a fan and a normal reader just like the rest of us. Keep up the great work and you will have me for a sub as long as you are making great content
1:03:46 the entire Lore of the DH’s is that whoever can unite all three becomes the Master of Death.
Much like when Harry was able to obtain the Sorcerer’s/Philosopher’s Stone from the mirror of Erised (he wanted to have it, but not use it. Just keep it away from Voldemort, who was actively trying to subvert/overcome Death) Harry never really sought to reunite the Hallows for a nefarious purpose. In fact, he was most interested in the resurrection stone, because he had already had a special relationship with Death. Not only had he watched so many people who he loved be taken in by Death (‘like an old friend’), he was actually also a great descendant of Ignotus Peverell, the brother who had received Death’s Cloak of Invisibility.
He was basically destined/fated to become the Master of Death because he wasn’t actually trying to live forever or beat Death, but instead he was trying to deliver Voldy to him.
Thumbs up and comment to help the algorithm because this is clearly a human production! Well done and keep at it!
Thank you!!
55:00 Slughorn frowns because he recognises the ring from Tom wearing it at school, and their chat after the Slug Club dinner
The scene where Vernon gets "shocked" for attacking Harry, I figured that was just his mom's protection shielding him. Since Vernon had become a threat to Harry, he got a VERY mild dose of whatever took Quirrell out as a warning
Really high quality content, glad I stumbled across your channel!
Thanks for watching!
57:22 Regarding the kidnapping, one of the most horrific theories I’ve heard is based on the unfounded/undebunkable claim that Bertha was pregnant. After she was killed & made horcrux fuel, they took said theoretical foetus & Moldy possessed it.
Yeah, the exact thing I don’t want to put in the narration of my video
Here's another "Ron foreshadowing" moment: after he and Harry look at Harry's tea leaves, taking his own dream journal/predictions but *applying* them to Harry foreshadows the 3 tasks (here the "friend" is BCJ)
See, Ron is so logical. He can actually break the 4th wall in his foreshadowing! LOL! 😂 Also wanted to mention Harry was pretty good at reading Ron, too. "So you are gonna suffer, but be happy." When he saw the sideways cross for Ron. Meaning losing Fred along with the Hortacrux stuff, but getting to be with Hermione and having a family of his own in the end. It's all about perspective.
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In an interview for the Chamber of secrets Movie, which was made around the time the 4th Book was released. She stated that a few scenes had to be done exactly Like in the Book (but she didnt say which), since they would be Important for the end of the Story. Looking back, it were Most certainly the scenes with the diary. So we can assume she had at least a Rough idea about Horkruxes, thus the Connection between Harry and Voldemort could also already been in the back of her Head.
Hagrid probably had heard it from Dumbledore, that something keeps Voldemort alive
I listened through all of them earlier this year and i surprisingly noticed most of these, but that's of course with seeing all of the movies countless times
18:31 Or, much more likely, he was talking about Mad-Eye Moody, who was actually Barty Crouch Jr. and Harry trusted as a friend too. You know, the one who actually did stab Harry in the back instead of Ron, who just had two fights with Harry along with brief falling outs like human friends often do. Backstabbing friends don't apologize and come back.
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@VaultLore That's okay. I just don't like it when people go after Ron for simply being human. And you could make the argument the other way, too. But just to a lesser extent. Then again, that's the thing about divination. It never has one concrete meaning. It depends upon the interpreter. Which is why Hermione is so quick to dismiss its legitimacy as a magical art. Along with the fact she's not good at it, LOL.
#justiceforron
@VaultLore Please let the new tv series do book Ron justice. Put him back at the level of the rest of the trio. Because he embodies love. That's all I ask! He deserves it!
23:45 the ‚mars is bright tonight‘ comment is especially interesting, when you know that professor quirrels first name is ‚quirinus‘. Who is quirinus? You might ask. Quirinus is an alternative name to the roman/greek god of war, mars/ares. In a scene, where just a few moments prior, Quirrle sneaked though the woods, killing unicorns and drinking their blood to regain his power, possibly to ‚Shine brighter‘ in the sense of ‚being more active than usually‘, a magical being, capable of reading prophecies, talks about the mars. Maybe im interpreting too much into it, but maybe bane knew, that quirinus (mars) quirrel was the murderer of the unicorn.
i can imagine that JKR had the idea of room of requirement as a funny element of magic castle, but found a good storyline use for this idea later and developed it. it happened to me a few times, when i make a mention of somethuing in my story because i think it would be a fun detail, and later i find a great use for this detail
To bolster your theory about the Christmas gifts foreshadowing the deathly hollows:
toothpick = elder wand
tissue = cloak of invisiblity
50 pence = resurrection stone - but why?
Also a stretch, as publishing a book takes some time, but hear me out:
The first Harry Potter book was released in 1997, where the first present of the 50 pence is given (never read the books, this is what google told me and actually the theory would be more sound if it was in a later book)
In 1997 an incredibly rare 50 pence coin was released into circulation, having freesia on one side.
Freesia is associated to mean trust and friendship, but also a deeply rooted love.
The resurrection stone is meant to bring back a loved person. A person you trusted. Like characterized by a freesia.
Maybe the Dursleys wanted to be cheap by just sending 50 pence, not realizing how valuable that coin actually was?
Just my little theory to fill that gap =)
That’s awesome
19:15 he also inherits the Black family fortune when Sirius is murdered by his cousin Bellatrix.
I don't get Voldemort cursed the ring and kill whoever puts it on, but he didn't do the same with the locket to protect the horcrux with good measure. Then he would have eliminated the trio wandering around in the woods hiding while they look for more horcruxes and a way to figure out how to destroy them, or at least Hermione and Ron Harry would have been immune since he had one in him already. Also should have cursed the cup of Hufflepuff whoever tries to take it dies.
What about the foreshadowing that JK missed? Obvious foreshadowing without a payoff. The position of DADA teacher was cursed. A new teacher every year. Harry shows real aptitude for teaching DADA to his fellow students. Harry defeats V and goes on to be..... an auror?! Working for the ministry that made his life hell for 7 books? Not the final DADA teacher, breaking the curse on the position? Working for the place he called home, that was a respite away from the Dursleys. Leaving it open to have future books about him and students he's teaching? Huge missed opportunity.
I will forever complain about this. "Hogwarts is my home" AND IT COULD'VE LITERALLY BEEN HIS HOME
You're telling me he FINALLY has a family, and he sends them off to school 7/8ths of the year? He would absolutely want to be around them as much as possible, and being a teacher he could see them all the time.
What better ending than for him to finally get a break from hunting and have peace? He could even become a Quidditch coach.
Even having him become a pro Quidditch player would've been a better career for him than an auror 🤦🏻♀️
Auror would've fit Ron better (alone) since he was always wanting to be in a position of power. Just look at their Mirror of Erised - Ron as Head Boy, Harry with family.
Love your videos, such good narration please keep up the great work 🙌
I wish I could go back and reread the books blind. So many of these I don't know if I'd catch until it's revealed
I loooove your videos king, keep it up
Thanks for watching!!
I really appreciate the effort you put into these videos. From your narration, to presentation style, to editing, it's so well done, and never over the top. In regards to the bit about the boggart and how powerful a Voldemort version of it would be, I rather wondered what form it would take. Would it just turn into the two-faced Quirrell? Or maybe just the shadowy-cloaked form we see in the Forbidden Forest in the Philosophers stone? I also figured that, seeing as how feared Voldemort was to the general wizarding world, I thought for sure it would be the #1 fear of many of the children. But that begs another question- would the boggart only be able to turn into something you've physically seen? Boggarts are such a cool part of the lore for me, and I love the idea that Moody is (possibly) the only person who can see the "natural" form of a boggart, as his magical eye allows him to see through solid objects.
Ooh interesting!
He was able to survive the second Arvada Kadavra because he owned all 3 deathly hallows at that point, and was the master of death.
In the moment Bellatrix was introduced I knew Sirius would die by her hand. Reason? Astronomy and star maps.
The foe glass foreshadowing is one I never even considered until you brought it up. That's crazy. Even through my re reads I always just attributed it to the fact that Barty is the main viliian of that book so of course Snape and the others would be in the foe glass since they are the good guys for that book.
Yeah, could be reading too far into it but who knows. 🤷🏼♂️
I currently read the books to my son and I keep finding little details. We read the part with Filch mentioning Peeves breaking the vanishing cabinet just yesterday.
So Fred and George are kinda responsible for Dumbledore's death :/
Lol, I'm sure they'd have been horrified to think so.
56:09 Foreshadowing is just planting seeds for something that pays off later on. Nothing about it implies that it needs to be able to be guessed by the reader ahead of time.
I think harry also found the room of Requirements back in The Philosopher's Stone when he found The Mirror of Erised
The mirror was in an empty classroom when harry first found it
@@wandering_butnotlost and for dumbledore it was a walk in cupboard full of nightpots.
@TeylaDex yes. But the mirror was not in the room of requirement that was presenting itself as an empty classroom, it was just in an actual empty classroom. Harry does not find the room of requirement in sorcerers stone
@@wandering_butnotlost the room appears as WHATEVER. it could look like an empty classroom
@@TeylaDex However, the room couldn't magically recreate the Mirror of Erised.
This video got me through my break, great video!
Glad to hear it! Thanks for watching!
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Woooo thanks for watching!
If we are to assume that the idea of a horcrux was there from the start, Voldemort being flippant with its use is understandable, it is a ridiculously hard to destroy item and Voldemort was always over confident, so he had no real fear of harry a student figuring out what it is, or if he did why would Voldemort assume he could get access to one of the few things that can damage it
To be honest to me it doesn't matter if the foreshadowing was intentional or not. For me, the foreshadowing is there and that makes the books even more magical 🥰
56:41 any enemy. Voldemort explains this.
38:00 his name is also Remus, and during the war his code name for the radio show was Romulus, the names of famous lycanthrope twins from Greek mythology.
Romulus and Remus are the twins, not lycanthropes, from Roman mythology
Been waiting for this one!!!
Yay!
The Sirius Black one you said another at same
Hushed whispers
The vale only Harry and Luna heard the voices
One curious thing in regards to the room of requirement is a line the PC game of Philosopher's Stone, right at the start. Dumbledore greets Harry (aka the player) and tells him that Hogwarts is full of secrets. He then goes on to recount a story of finding a room full of Chocolate Frogs which later turned into a room full of firecrabs. And I realized later that that line sounds very similar to the line used in Goblet of Fire, so I'm wondering if the game developers were referencing it (was book 4 already out at the time?) or if someone close to Rowing, or even Rowling herself, wrote it for the game. The latter seems a bit odd as there is no known record of Rowling being involved in the games. But it is a curious one.
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what you mean shot in the dark
isn't it the main feature of the dumbledore fork of snape / lilly protection
if theres harry's blood around him these protected , better than horcruxes , if voldy has his blood attached to earth he's doing what the dursleys being doing since ever
To answer your question about planning ahead: I read somewhere that Rowling had at least a version of the ending planned when she began on the first book. Though obviously who was in the ending and who wasn't changed throughout the series, but the basics were there, so it's possible that the horcruxes were already a thing.
I remember a anecdote, that supposedly Rowling wanted more horcrux goreshadowing in chamber of secrets that was cut by the publishers
@@lauramarschmallow2922 That's possible.
wow great observations!
Been waiting for this video.
I think you give the centaurs not enough credit.
They could have predicted the penultimate battle between Harry and Voldemort, which led to Voldemorts downfall and happened in the forest. In the first book Harry and Voldemort were both in the forest and Voldemort was about to attack and kill Harry. If we assume, that prophecies aren't crystal clear descriptions of the things that will happen in the future, but could be interpreted in various ways, they could mistake the book 7 situation with the one in book 1.
Also Snape could be an opportunist with our knowledge of the first 4 books. He could have sided with Dumbledore just because Voldemort was gone. And maybe he didn't want to risk his life until he knew that Voldemort was back and could win against Dumbledore. Even later, him spying for both sides could also mean that he can flip to the winning side at the right moment. Only his connection to Lily assures us that he can not flip back.
Could be wrong, but I thought the fetus thing was Voldemort prime’s soul? As in, Voldemort prime and Harry were both in kings cross, but prime’s soul was so mangled that he appeared as a gross fetus
Oh possible!
Am I crazy or did you not mention Harry finding Rowena's diadem in the room of requirement when he hid the potions book? That's like one of the most obvious ones
Ya ya ya good call. Can’t catch them all
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I watched it in parts and didn't remember if you mentioned it or not. That one is the one I remember more vividly, the first time I read the books when I was 14 that was a huge "Oh shit" moment lmao
@@L251125 theres no way you picked that up on first read, but disregarding that - you said it yourself its 'the most obvious one'. Why would Vault waste time telling us the things we already know?
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I did, and I think it's not a stretch to believe that. Especially if one reads them back to back.
And the point of the video is to point them out, I don't know what your problem is.
21:47 haha this pronunciation of tottenham court road caught me off guard
Haha alright I can’t be perfect
@@VaultLoreno worries lol, just for future reference I’d pronounce it “tot-num”
My Midwest is showing.
Great video!
Thanks!
Dumbledore's Army could have met in the Chamber of Secrets
I guess we don’t know what happened to that do we? Just got cemented off?
I honestly don't understand why you don't have more subs
We’re just getting started 💪🏻
@@VaultLore Also plz never stop making HP content (unless you get tired of it ofc). Im a huge potterhead and really enjoy your vids.
I remember Boarders I loved going there
page 394 referencing something specific in the book would be very difficult to pull off as some editions of the book have more or less pages than others. in my copy of Prisoner of Azkaban, page 394 begins partway through Sirius explaining how he managed not to go insane while he was in Azkaban.
Imagine though ✨
yeah that'd be cool
because of a comment I read the other day (for an episode of "through the Griffin door"), I can tell you: in my book of the German version it IS true!
@@lauramarschmallow2922 nice
58:32 "Harry pulling at his uncle's sausage" bro
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I love me some good foreshadowing, i rewatch the 100 tv show alot lolol and there always seems to be something new some little thing i think ive almost seen em all now hut it does a really good job foreshadowing across all seasons
You missed the confirmation that Hagrid knew ALL about horcruxes
1. 1st book " Thats NO ordinary scar Harry, you only get a scar like that from a curse....AND AN EVIL ONE AT THAT" Horcrux spells are inherently evil
2. Hagrid was IN SCHOOL with TOM RIDDLE
Hagrid KNEW Riddle was a bad guy , cuz Riddle set Hagrid up for the death Myrtle
By framing Aragog. Hagrid kept a weather eye on him thereafter, for sure
3.Obiviosly Hagrid finds out Riddle is doing shady stuff, maybe he hears him say he wants a spell to live forever who knows. But HAGRID TELLS DUMBLEDORE.
HE maybe didnt know the word horcrux but HAGRID PUTS DUMBLEDORE ON THE TRAIL.
4.back to 1st book McGonagall asks where is Harry?
DUMBLEDORE says Hagrids bringing him
McGonagall says " u trust Hagrid with that?
DUMBLEDORE says
I Trust Hagrid with MY LIFE.
HAGRID KNEW EVERYTHING and plays the oaf to throw off both sides
Hagrid could have known about what Riddle was up to anyway beforehand maybe he had a deal with Riddle
I won't tell about your Death Eater We wanna Live Foever club
You don't tell anyone about my BIG FUCKING SPIDER
I remember reading the first book in the 4th grade and then the movie was coming out that next school year and it was this big thing cause I had gotten into the books… she only had the first 4 books out at the time, right? And she released books 5-7 after the movies were already in production. I think because of this I always assumed the ending wasn’t planned from the beginning. Like.. it wasn’t a state secret or anything at the time?
You are crazy good
It is Philosopher's stone
7:34 It's actually pronounced legilimency
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I dont remember if this is headcanon or foreshadowing. But in book 1 the classroom that harry stumbles on to find the mirror of erised. When trying to find it again im almost certain follows how you get into the room of requirement
Oh I might have missed that one, I’ll have to check it out!
What about the sky in the great hall becoming dark and stormy as soon as Mad Eye enters?
Oh that’s awesome, I didn’t notice that one!
@VaultLore Might have only been in the movie but upon watching it again it foreshadows that Moody isn't what he seems.
Was that gandalf
Voldemort said in the book that he could have used anyones blood for the spell to bring him back.
“Neither could die while the other lives” is not the prophecy.
Oops
I’m pretty sure jk Rowling had all major things figured out before she started book 1. She has said so in interviews.
Horcruxes were definitely planned from the beginning as that’s the reason Voldemort didn’t die. And she had to have that reason figured out. Even Hagrid says, “I don’t think he had enough human left in him to die”
Also I don’t think Lucius was ordered to give Ginny the diary. That was his own idea to get Dumbledore fired and give himself more power. And the fact the diary was destroyed got him into trouble with Voldemort.
hi great video !;!! may i ask if the voice over is an ai voice or your real voice ??
It’s my real voice! I wrote all the scripts, record it all, edit it, and post it :)
21:50 this is a plot hole, not foreshadowing. Just a chapter or two later harry says Voldemort while at Grimmauld place and nothing happens as a result
I wouldn’t say is a plot hole because after they say the name there are death eaters suddenly outside Grimmauld Place if I remember correctly. I’m pretty sure there’s a mention about Harry seeing death ratters out the window, and even then trying to find them there. The death eaters just can’t see Grimmauld Place because the house is protected by the Fidelius Charm, which I’m guessing is one of the only charms that the name jinx couldn’t break.
I actually just went back in read a couple of chapters and Ron asks that they don’t say the name once they are at the forest, once they can’t come back to Grimmauld Place. When they are in Grimmauld Place they do say the name and the Death Eaters are outside, they just can’t see the house.
@abfma9 when they are about to infiltrate the ministry harry says "let me know if you ever defeat Voldemort " whilst they are in Grimmauld. If the taboo was in place at Cherring cross,which is where they apparated after the wedding, then all of the enchantments protecting Grimmauld would have broke. It's a plot hole
is Herpo the foul still alive?
Good q..
Probably. Poor bastard. I think his undying brain is in a vat in the department of mysteries, but that's just me.
6:03 lucius sucks at death eating yeah but WORMTAIL??
Was Rowling a witch herself?
Great video but what you are wrong in is the definition of “Snafu” it is not another word for mistake. It stands for Situation Normal-All F@ck Up”
No worries. People use it wrong a lot. It just bugs me when they do… 😊
I farted and it stinks 🎉
One point to make is that Rowling has said that she had plotted out the books for around 7 years before the first one was even published, and she’d already wrote the last chapter of the final book before completing the first book. With all that being said, it wouldn’t be silly to assume that this was all intentional foreshadowing which just highlights her genius even further.
Plot and story beats are not the same and if you look at the last chapter it is:
Ron and Hermione go through a romance in the series.
Harry respects Dumbledore and Snape exactly the same.
Harry and Malfoy are on good terms.
Harry isn’t as anti slytherin.
Harry solves the issue of his Scar Pain.
He learns about his parents.
Harry and Ginny are married (legitimately the first wizard girl he sees iirc). He has full immersion into the wizarding world.
There is other orphans after a war like he was:
But ultimately All is well.
That’s super easy to draft after book 1 and is the plot of the book series.
To be fair most of those are not forshadows but retcons
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You keep pronouncing it Valldemort with an A, it’s Voldemort with an O.
I’m a midwesterner to my core
Of course, JK Rowling knew.... The series is a perfect ring. Each book is a ring. Jk Rowling is a literal genius. Just Google Harry Potter and Ring Composition for podcasts, articles, and books explaining ring composition and referencing the whole series. Coming on... do a bit of research before recording such a video...
more than half of this stuff was or would've been happy accidents. JK has admitted that herself. Like Vault said, it was meant to just be one children's book when it was first written. There are SO many plotholes, thus proving your divine queen isnt a genius and is just a good writer. Maybe YOU should do some research before leaving stupid, demeaning and utterly rude comments on a video. Or better yet, make your own instead of hating on someone else's work...
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I appreciate you watching. I think this will always be a talking point, but TH-cam determines how many ads you see based on your viewing habits. I monetize the content, but I need to balance the amount of time creating that content with valuing my own time. I understand if that puts you off, but I will keep advocating for myself and that’s ultimately what affords me the free time to create more content. Thanks again for watching, I appreciate you and the feedback!
@@VaultLore Ah, I see. I was not aware that it was TH-cam that determines that. And of course, I am always for the creator’s earnings as without that incentive there would be no high quality content such as yours. Apologies for the misunderstanding, and you have earned a loyal subscriber for your kind reply. Have a good day!
Dude, I love these videos. If you end up with a Patreon or YT subscription, I'd be happy to sign up.
Don't get your hopes up too much (I definitely did not inherit a pile of galleons) but happy to contribute to the content!
I appreciate it! Maybe one day, not too sure, just making videos for now!