props for using original, non clickbait titles. true crime channels are notorious for that crap, i hate it. plus, i cant easily tell if ive watched so thats a double whammy
Uk law changed recently. You cant use accidental suffocation in sex as a defence anymore as there were too many cases of women being murdered and “an accident during sex” being given as an excuse. Not no more!
@@rjunxiYou don’t. These men didn’t kill the women in an accident. I They murdered them willingly, thinking they can get away with this excuse. But not anymore 🙅♀️
The consent to own murder was somewhat tested in the UK with a bizarre case involving two teen friends. One of them pretended to be a third person and convinced the other teen to murder his friend (actually himself). The murder didn't happen but when the truth of it came out the first guy was convicted of procuring a murder - his own.
Recommended case: Kenneth Bluew. The cop who killed his pregnant mistress (who wasn’t even going to make him a part of the baby’s life since he already had a family) and tried to make it look like a suicide. And his fellow cops who sensed something suspicious and investigated him anyways. I’ll never forget the family members who took one look at the printed ‘suicide note’ and said: It was printed. We knew immediately it wasn’t from her and we didn’t even read it. If she had written one, it would have been handwritten with a sparkly pen and each of us would have gotten our own letter. Plus, Kenneth’s sister was ridiculously delusional and refused to believe the DNA evidence made him guilty.
It's ridiculous how long it took them to finally charge him. It was incredibly obvious that he did it, and he was seen on the apartment camera just before the time they believed she was killed. Had it been a regular citizen instead of a cop they'd have charged immediately. I'm glad she and her family finally got some justice.
even if it’s consensual that doesn’t magically make it legal. most ppl do drugs consensually but it’s still illegal, you can claim someone asked you to kill them but you still killed them which is illegal
Right, it's like with minors. Even if you could convince a cop that the kid fully understood what it was consenting to, it's still illegal to sleep with minors, so you're going to jail either way, consent or not.
I think of it like sex, you can send hundreds of emails talking about how you intend to have sex with someone, but when you’re actually in that situation your mind might change and you revoke consent. We’ll never really know but I think it’s still murder.
@@brandyyolidio4213 And while that is perhaps a point to be made about this case, in terms of sex, it's something you are allowed to say no to even when you are standing in front of the person you agreed to have sex with. Consent works like that.
I would never go down this rabbithole otherwise, but since we're talking about it... perhaps you could video record the whole thing, to show that even until their last moment, the person was consenting and didn't change their mind? I mean, the whole thing is sick, but once you've gone that far, videotaping it isn't beyond the pale..
The fact that he didn't report the accidental death really does add to the case. If it was consensual or an accident, and he really believed he did nothing (intentionally) wrong, the reflex to hide it makes it suspicious.
I imagine there's probably enough email evidence back and forth that could determine if that's what Sharon wanted to happen? Perhaps this was all discussed beforehand. I'm not brave enough to submit the FOIA and read through all the emails to say one way or the other though.
P*rn has always been a huge driver of technology. Using a credit card on the internet is basically a thing because of P*rn websites. Also, Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD - p*rn went with Blu-Ray as their standard, which killed HD-DVD dead.
oh man..........THIS is why i'm always game to hear your take on a case i've already learned about: you take the time to actually illustrate the person sharon was. it's really easy for us to get lost in her fixation on violence and pain, but before there was "nancy carlsen" making whatever videos men requested, there was an ambitious young girl whose only offered prospect in life was to be as well-behaved as possible and spend her life stagnating. with that reminder, and the knowledge that her parents won't even fkn CLAIM her anymore, i honestly can't blame her for wanting to die. it's so much easier to just look at sharon as some deranged, depraved deviant, rather than an isolated woman who hated being alive and only felt a sense of control in her own life by choosing to endure pain. it's tough to say whether sharon might still be alive if she'd gotten psychological help, because we don't have any way of knowing how receptive she might have been or whether she really even wanted someone to save her. her death instinct ultimately became so much stronger than her survival instinct that i'm not certain she would have even wanted to be saved. another mark on the board for the insecure attachment industrial complex, i guess. i hope sharon is finally at peace.
Such good points and a very insightful comment, thank you. In many of these cases where somebody has a "death wish" fantasy that some monster online or through a newspaper decides to fulfil (like in the Armin Meiwes case), the victim is always somebody who has very vulnerable mental health. They are taken advantage of by sadists who think that the consent of a mentally sick person is enough to commit an atrocity. Unfortunately, there are many people in society who do not know the difference between a severely mentally unstable individual "consenting" to something that will hurt them or even kill them, and a well-adjusted adult consenting to something that isn't nearly as harmful. Too many people think that if somebody is an addict, they deserve the worst of fates. Why is this? So many addicts are people with mental health issues and rough upbringings. They are to be pitied and helped. Society hates addicts unless those addicts can act, or sing, or paint very well, then suddenly they are national treasures. The hypocrisy is awful. In Germany, it is illegal to sign a contract with somebody who is deeply and obviously mentally disturbed and who does not have a representative that has their best interests at heart. The contract would be treated as void, same as if you were to sign a contract with an un-represented minor, or with somebody obviously inebriated or stoned. Nevertheless, people do this everyday, scamming those who are mentally or physically disabled, or inebriated, or young. And despite all these laws in place to prevent this kind of thing, society shames the victims first and foremost and lets the scammers get away most of the time. For instance, legally, any kind of sex where one person is sober and the other is very intoxicated is by definition rape. And yet, every time this kind of situation gets brought up in court or even in conversation, almost everybody treats the victim as somebody who was capable of consenting, and the whole thing is thrown out of court and viewed as definitely not-rape, even though it definitely is. What a backwards world this is.
she was a scammer from the beginning.. Targeting children for "psychic" readings, as an example...hassling her real life friends for her cheap trinket books? Scammer. Then she dived into her pervs beyond using others financially.
Vile. Preying on underdeveloped kids who wanted love and money. I just wish she had gotten help instead of doing all this deranged shit. It's not that easy but.. Fuck.
It’s not really something people care to report on because it was just two consenting adults. It’s a curiosity more than a case that required a lot of investigating and with a victim and perpetrator. There was a perpetrator but not really a victim and certainly not a victim that will have people’s sympathy.
Reminds me of the "Cannibal Cafe" case years ago where the guy consented to have himself killed and consumed by someone else, and they recorded the whole thing as proof that he was compliant. The guy who did the act is Armin Meiwes, and the guy who he consumed was named Bernd Brandes. This took place in Gernamy (shocker, huh?) back in 2001. He was originally convicted of manslaughter and only given 8.5 years, he was later retried for murder and sentenced to life. The funny thing is that he's now a vegetarian. I guess the whole experience left a bad taste in his mouth.
You brought the best possible moral out of this story. Please please begging yall do not engage in breath play unless BOTH of you are informed in how to do so safely and what to do if something goes wrong. One must also consider. The murderer can consent to murdering, and consciously the murdered may have consented to death, but the human body tries to preserve itself any way it can until death regardless of what someone wants. It is autonomous of our wishes. It is hard to know, as we will never be in someone else’s mind in their final moments. We are barely in our own in that moment for ourselves. Death by its very nature I feel is so overwhelming an experience it takes the ability to consent away. Even as someone like Sharon objectively, if she was in fact a suicidal masochist, I am not capable of consenting to be murdered because I am not in my right mind. It seems like a paradox. A really sad one.
You bring up things that are often ignored in this case, thank you for that. As a psychologist with a speciality in transitive experiences around death, you are absolutely right. The moments leading up to death are a completely different experience from the rest of someone’s life.
Ive no doubt she changed her mind in that final ordeal - just like the people who leap to their deaths. Survivors of jumpingnoff golden syate bridge say they changed their minds on the way down
I’ve nearly kicked the bucket 5 times now. Twice traumatic blood loss and 3 times ketoacidosis leading to ALL SORTS of gross nonsense. I’ve also been depressed and sxicidal off and on since I can remember. Believe me, when you’re right there and you’re going you don’t want to anymore. The will to survive is phenomenally strong. Even if you think you don’t want to and the pain and panic is excruciating you still battle on. All my docs and nurses, bless them all, can’t believe I’m still around and say I’m like a cat with nine lives. I’m not a religious person but I’m not sxicidal anymore after my experiences because, for whatever crappy reason, I now believe I’m here for a reason. I can’t help having feelings of being down sometimes, especially around lady time, but I no longer want to cause myself deliberate harm. Humans are weird 🤷🏻♀️
This reminds me of a personal experience. I knew a woman that liked being choked during sex. The issue was she wanted the choking to go all the way. No pretending, no stopping when she passed out... She believed knowing she's going to die would possibly give her the best O she'd ever have. It was very hard to wrap my mind around the fact that it wasn't just fantasy for her. She completely cut me off when I was "too much of a bitch" (her words) to give her what she desires. I always wanted to believe it was just a fantasy and she'd "tap" out when the choking went too far. This was well over 10yrs ago and I havent heard from her since she cut me off... Watching this now, there's a huge knot in my stomach. And I feel immense dread. These death fantasies are actual fetishes that people want to be carried out. This one made me feel sick.
I had this problem with someone I consider "the love of my life that got away" It was to that extent but with knives too, it made me so uncomfortable and when I couldn't do it I was cut off completely, I still think about it sometimes. Like, how someone gets to that point. Idk it's strange to me. Edit: We reconnected recently on Facebook after ten years and she's turned her life around however she moved to another state and I've gone through some very deep changes with my own life But, I sit and think about how things could have maybe worked out differently if we learned to help one another but I guess you can't help others only yourself I was glad they were gone back then but now as I've gotten older I constantly think about how things could have turned out differently
@@CaptainHowdy-r1f its gut wrenching knowing that they could have very well met someone who had zero issue carrying it out. I hope it was just an infatuation with extreme bdsm. But this video just drove that stake of unsure a little deeper
What Sharon wanted is irrelevant to what Robert did. Decent human beings do not use someone else's suffering to their iwn advantage. Sick. It's just wucked.
Yes, and thankyou for stating this. Sharon may have been roleplaying, or following a kink, or looking for paying clientele, or enjoying some out-there online chat. No matter which, she deserves no death sentence. Some people enjoy a little choking during sex, and that has been used as an excuse for DV perpetrators. However, the laws in my country (Australia, as of 2019) now reflect that sexual choking cannot be used as defense by anyone who strangles a person to death.
This is one of the few true crime channels I can watch on here. It focuses of the victim not just the perpetrator. Very respectful, and well mannered coverage.
"Glass was found dead of a heart attack in prison on February 20, 2002, one month before he was to finish his state sentence and begin his federal sentence."
Now I’m no legal expert, but I really don’t want people who act on these kinds of fantasies to get away with no consequences. I am not sure if it’s murder, but he definitely deserves prison time.
This is one of the few channels that I think tastefully discusses violent and sexual content without delving into the exploitative or voyeuristic. It treats mature material delicately, and never implies adult sexuality is something shameful.
It being consensual and sexual doesn’t make it not murder, suicidal or otherwise, she prompted him to kill her, and he had done it. He should have gone to jail for murder, because it IS murder
Your videos always take very good care of the victims and address nuance with delicacy and empathy, and I've always appreciated it. But this one goes above and beyond; I cannot express how warming it was to hear how gently you handled the heavy BDSM components of this while making sure to draw the line between what the community finds acceptable and what is outside the limits; so often situations like these tend to get painted in broad strokes that taint the image of the community, and not only did you go out of your way to not do that, you even explicitly stated that difference, and also advocated for safe play research - I don't think I've ever heard of any true crime researcher doing that and it's all so true - so much (safe) practice, prep and research goes into those sorts of scenes to keep them safe (when done correctly) and I've just never heard that acknowledged so well before - so, thank you. Thank you for handling this victim with the grace she deserves and for going above and beyond with your care for the community. As for murder or not - this one is really hard for me. While on one hand, I'd want to argue it's never okay to help someone die, you should always try and help them even if they themselves want it - but then that gets into some medically-assisted suicide for terminally-ill folks that I wouldn't necessarily put into that same category. I think, with some nuance, in this case, no, it's not okay - in part because we can't confirm she was consenting through it all the way, but also if she really was, she should have gotten help instead. But thank you again for all your care and compassion.
I would think at some point she did want it to stop, there's no way the basic instinct of survival didn't kick in and her will to live didn't kick into overdrive. All round just a sad case
You would think so, but if you look at the case of Armin Meiwes, his victim consented and asked for his death till the very end. Although he was very mentally ill, having absorbed guilt from something his mother did, and feeling he needed to atone for her wrong doings.
You cant read their mind. I dont think it should be legal but if youre an adult and aren't deemed unable to think properly for ypurself, you can consent to whatever you want
@@SilencedLamb69if you would consent to your own murder, then you aren’t in your right mind and legally aren’t capable of making decisions for yourself.
You cant consent to murde,r the same way a child cannot consent to s3x. So many killers get scot free because they claim the victim, who cannot talk, claims they wanted it. We don't know if she changed her mind and begged him to stop but he didn't, we will never know. Awful case.
My thoughts: I think Robert should have been prosecuted even if he wasn't a predator. He said he killed Sharon by "accident", meaning her consent had not been given prior to her death. He then buried the body in the backyard, instead of calling the police. This showcases to me again, that he knew some wrong doing had happened, and he was trying to escape some form of taking responsibility for her death. To me it would have been at thr very least a manslaughter charge , given his narrative of it being an accidental death, and the fact we have evidence of her more extreme sexual fantasies and correspondences with Robert.
My boyfriend accidentally killed himself with autoerotic asphyxiation nearly 2 years ago. Please PLEASE if that is your kink, don’t ever partake in it alone. Nobody deserves to find their loved one the way that I found him, and no mother ever deserves to bury her own child. Rest in peace, Gabe. I miss you everyday.
I'm so sorry. It's also a very embarrassing way to find someone imo. I was introduced to this kink by hearing about parties that supervised this kink. RIP.
Oh, boy. I clicked so fast! This case has interested and haunted me for years. The movie based on it, "Downloading Nancy" albeit bleak and insular, is one I keep coming back to, as well. Difficult to watch but worth it, in my very humble opinion. As for the question of murder: I think we will never truly know because we don’t know definitively about her final moments. If she changed her mind, if she struggled against that rope, if he just went ahead with the act regardless of her desires. It's a complex event. I think she clearly participated in her demise, but to what extent? Knowing that Glass had other dark motivations of a criminal nature just muddies the waters here. Thank you for this piece - thought-provoking without sensationalism.
@@cakes6537 Depends on which kind of murder (moral, legal) and where it happens. Not all assisted suicides are cases of murder, on that I would agree. There are places where it is legal, and not every instance is immoral.
Ah yes, this one...I'm certain you absolutely cannot consent to your own murder, and even if there isn't explicitly law directly addressing it specifically, no one sane would consider that a "with sound mind" desire. And someone willing to do it, like this guy, is *insanely* likely to be a danger.
Eh, don't think you can call this a murder. Prison is supposed to be for handing out justice, correct? She literally said please don't prosecute the man if her body is found.
@@Site17 Eh, we can't be certain it's not either, and I was answering the question in the title, not if this event was legally murder. Regardless, the point is to question if her "consenting" to it is even legally possible, so it doesn't matter what she said. Even if we're willing to believe his story that it was an accident, which I don't but also suggests the possibility that she didn't "consent" to that element, that would be manslaughter.
@@mlk0-0 With something like this the guy isnt just someone "Willing to do it." You know he had to the opposite need for this to work. Which means he was hunting on the internet to find somone who he could kill for his own gratifaction. Sex or no sex doesnt even matter at that point. Cleary a murderous mind and like you said insanely likely to be a danger. Just found this... Yes he is dangerous: "police discovered child sexual exploitation material in Glass's home, leading to additional charges" Those kids couldnt consent. Clearly Glass doesnt actually care about consent. Which opens up the sad possibility that she DID back out but he STILL went trough with it. But we can never know. Only he could. But hes also dead now.
@@StopmotionStudios13 I think the exact same. Mentioned it in someone else's comment that possessing CSAM and the fact that *his* desire was to kill someone, I'm not believing 1) that it was an accident and 2) that she was 100% for it all throughout.
@mlk0-0 Exactly. I dont buy him saying it was an accident either. For starters, why not seek medical help if it was an accident. Surely you would realize the 900 pages of mail doesnt really help the accident story if you dont treat it like an accident. But even regardless of that. To me it feels off because it exposes something. Her dying in an accidental way shouldnt matter if he believed in his own "doing it with someone who wants to die makes it okay" theory. He knew the evidence would say she wanted it. There were 900 pages after all. If he thought that was his way of doing it "legally". Then why not follow through with that theory. Why frame it as an accident at that point. Maybe because he knew what he way doing was murder. And if he knew it was murder. He should be sentenced for murder.
The digging and research this channel does is amazing.. I’m from Europe and the way and pace you tell these stories makes them very easy to listen and understand as well. I also love that you find stories that are not already over done too many times.
the thing with practicing bdsm/kink is the importance of RACK and SSC (risk aware consensual kink and safe sane consensual). it can be argued that wanting to die is a case of insanity in the literal sense, so it no longer falls under the typical hounds of consent. as any active members of the bdsm community know, it is incredibly vital for personal and community safety to be incredibly vigilant about practicing safe kink and being rigorous about consent. i find it hard to believe that any active respected member of the community would look at this case and declare it safe, sane, or consensual, or risk-aware. there’s a clear line between wanting to cause/experience pain or death during sex or other contained scenes and actually violating someone’s boundaries and straight up killing them. it’s called a conscience, and having morals. kink does not a killer make i think it’s entirely likely that she started perusing intense sex sites as a way to profit off of them, and the prolonged exposure to violent pornography impacted her relationship with sex. very tragic
I know you feel like you need to defend this “community”, but no amount of euphemistic or sanitized language can make it seem safer to anyone willing to regard it at face value. No offence. Sex addiction is a real and often overlooked problem, and “communities” such as bdsm or kink only help those suffering from their fixations, and addictions to become further entrenched in them.
I actually emailed yall about this case a while back and I was shook 🤯seeing it as a new episode! I think yall did well explaining this case. I stumbled upon this case years ago and noticed how very few crime channels or podcasts covered it. This case always intrigued me for many reasons and left me wondering why. Overall, I think yall did a great job with the breakdown of this case and handled it in the way that dreading does best!
I cannot imagine she actually enjoyed any of it. Sure, she thought she would have, but three days of being tortured? I feel like she would have been trying to back out, but we will never know
@@LeAnnBurnz That's my thing. It's not impossible or even that uncommon to think you want something, but then you start to get it and second guess or even completely change your mind. And unless what could be determined she suffered directly matched up with specifically what was in the emails and *only* what was in the emails, it's hard to believe and impossible to prove she didn't change her mind.
@@mlk0-0 I agree. To me, It doesn’t matter how masochistic a person may be, especially when it was stated he was putting foreign objects inside of her that were leaving cuts and was doing that for days on end. I feel like no one can endure THAT level of pain and want it to continue. I can’t imagine she wasn’t begging him to stop and he just didn’t listen
@@LeAnnBurnz Absolutely, and considering that this guy wasn't just someone willing to "satisfy her fantasy", but also someone who, for himself, *wanted* to hurt and kill someone, it's very easy to believe she wanted it to stop and he just didn't. He had CSAM, that doesn't exactly scream someone who actually cares about consent.
@@LeAnnBurnz that is YOUR opinion though. I also cant believe people are so weird in t heir mind to want people to hit them with whips or anything to inflict pain which is absolutely against human nature to prevent pain. so each to their own.
Thank you Dreading ❤ Its always a better day when you post us a new video. (I also love when your narrator breaks character, it's always so perfect😂) You're both appreciated.
I am always impressed by your very complete coverage of a subject. I felt a deep respect when you relayed information as to how a person could/should be more knowledgeable about autoerotic asphyxiation.
Your channel is the only one that I have consistently supported on Patreon. I love your approach to covering cases. You're so informative while remaining respectful to the victims. I'm so glad you're getting the support you deserve! Keep up the great work, guys 🥰
oh CRAP i wasn't expecting you to cover this case!!!!! would you be willing to follow this up with some insight into the cannibal café? ik people tend to compare robert glass with armin maeves but armin strikes me as a very different, considerably more complicated case, especially considering the fact that he wasn't a pdf file \':
Its always a tightrope talking about these kinds of subjects and you walked it beautifully. This is such an interesting and tragic case and I think you handled it with respect for both the victim's agency and the reality of her death. There were a lot of places one could drag her for her choices, but you, always, kept it professional and stuck to the facts (like the economic consequences of allowing Gaintesses to run rampant!). Always love your vids, this one was well worth the wait!
Oh yeah that’s a good one. It was so strange how he stood in the exact same stance in everyone of the pics with the other lady’s undergarments. I wondered if he was gay but his upbringing and lifestyle forced him to bury his urges and hide them, ultimately creating a fantasy that led him to stealing panties and doing anything to hide it. Yikes man, humans are weird.
It’s certainly a one of a kind case, but it’s really been covered by every single true crime channel, so I’m not sure if they would bother with it. It’s been like 15 years since his crime spree ended, so I’m sure there’s some interesting updates. If you haven’t watched it yet, I would highly recommend checking out Matt Orchard’s documentary, it’s best one out there imho.
My jaw dropped when you mentioned the child stuff in his house 🤢 so disgusting I wonder if she knew he was into that as well and if so .. she was just as sick as he was. Im relieved to know he won’t be able to harm any children as that’s what that stuff eventually leads to from what I’ve seen
I have a feeling she had to have seen it and it doesn’t sound like it would have bothered her. Hate to say it but I don’t feel sorry for this lady. She sounded like a bad person with the scams she was running and then being a degenerate didn’t help her case. Such slimy gross people. I feel bad to not feel sorry for her, but…🤢
@@Jls728Absolutely agreed. And considering all the wild nasty stuff these two were talking about/what she was advertising I’m SURE he must’ve brought it up at some point to her. Just all around disgusting. I’m an empathetic person but in this case it’s really hard to feel sorry for someone this depraved.
The survival instinct is the most basic, central instinct in the human psyche, in many ways it drives all other instincts. Anyone who expresses a wish to die is not mentally sound and needs help. She was not terminally ill and in constant pain, she was not a 90 year old just “ready to go”. She was a woman who needed help and he exploited her.
Just want to say thanks for all the hard work ya’ll do. Solid coverage every time. Im sure alot of us are looking forward to your coverage on Sarah Boone’s trial. Jfc its insane.
So I have mental illness and autism, and I've been taken advantage of by people because of my self hatred in the past. Consensual you know, but it wasn't right. When someone is sick like that they can't advocate for themselves fully, they need a hospital with people who care. They don't need people to hurt them just because they don't care enough about themself to stop it, or hate themself enough to consent to it. That's just my thought. That's taking advantage of someone who doesn't fully have a grasp on reality and that's wrong, they're vulnerable and need to be handled with care.
Kinksters will argue that it was perfectly within the person that abused you's right to abuse you, and that they were just "having fun". Kink is often just somebody abusing someone in a vulnerable mental position, or getting off on somebodies past abuse history and calling it "therapeutic" to relive sexual assault scenarios. It's horrible and it's psychological sexual abuse (as well as physical), and if you try to call it out you're immediately labeled a "kinkshamer" and a "prude" by these abusers and their mentally ill codependant partners.
@@alexbush714 yeah due to my past I was into some rough stuff, I consented cause I was reliving a bunch of trauma and it felt right to my traumatized brain. And if I ever tried to say no or anything, they wouldn't really listen and would get upset. I know that's not what a respectful dominant person would do so I understand when kinksters say that's not what normally happens, but it happens a lot more than I think anyone really realizes. When they tried to hurt me outside of the bedroom and I tried to defend myself they'd be frustrated or confused, and tell me that I liked it so I shouldn't fight back. that's when I realized I needed to step back from the kink community for a pretty long time. I engage in lighter activities now with someone who is very very kind and gentle with me. She doesn't want to hurt me at all and established a more dominant position in the relationship only after a few years of knowing her, when I was truly comfortable with her presence and when she knew and had developed compassion for my past and the trauma I had suffered, and I knew and trusted her to handle me with care. Even if I give her permission for certain things she won't do it because she is gentle and really cares about me and my mental state. It's a lot different than anything I've experienced in the past and I think this is what an appropriate kinky relationship should be like. She is very very very conscious and gentle and won't do anything to hurt me even if I told her she could in the past. I actually feel really safe with her. that's when I realized that I needed to find people that know they could take advantage of me, but instead choose not to because they genuinely care about me Kink is really weird to establish boundaries on because the whole thing about it, is sexual deviancy. Different people have different extremes, and I found people whose extremes seemed to revolve around hurting me especially when I revoked consent
Like someone else mentioned in the comments, it seemed like she was severely depressed and had suicidal ideation that mixed in with her kinks. Being as severely ill as she was, it makes sense that she did what she did but no I don’t think anyone can consent to their own murder because murder by definition is something you can’t consent to and if you do consent to it, you probably should be admitted. As someone into some pretty heavy kinks, I don’t picture being killed and that terrifies me. The BDSM community strives to provide consent no matter what and this would not fly, that’s why so many people stopped talking to her when they figured she was serious.
There are so many weird/dangerous kinks that people can role play. Like, abduction is a surprisingly common fantasy... But there is a controlled setting, the abducted party gets to rescind consent if they need or want to, the abductor can rescind consent if they need or want to, & importantly, IT'S NOT PERMANENT LIKE DEATH IS. In an ethical kink situation, there are no consequences beyond maybe some superficial injuries, an unintended trauma trigger, or the fact that others might give someone a side-eye if they talk about it in mixed company. Lol
I recall a horrifying case on Reddit where a chic enjoyed the feeling of suffocation so a dude, put her inside a gigantic like rubber bag, like the ones you use to store clothing, blankets etc when not in use. She consented and they had discussed the safe signal that she would use to let him know when she had had enough. She was to move her hand a certain way I think. So when he gets her in and starts the process of removing the air, a 2nd dude shows up and although she was doing everything in her power to move her hand, which was like unmoveable due to there being no air or room, she was thrashing with a terrifying look on her face, mouth open, almost nudging eyes and the whole time, the men where calling her names and enjoying her total fear and the thrill of knowing her life was in their hands and she could do nothing about it!!!! They eventually let her out and she was almost like a zombie…..I will never get that image out of my mind, truly disturbing!
Your introduction of Sharon was so warm and real, it was emotionally evocative knowing that she is no longer with us. She sounds like such a vibrant woman, a cool person to grab a beer with.
As someone who does have it I can understand why people don't like it or understand it but I think many will agree there is far more disgusting things lol My girlfriend finds it erotic because it's supposed to be empowering for women, in its essence it's female dominance and so that's about as best as I can explain it lol
@SLUSHIE2000 you really need to keep that weird demented shit to yourself, you want to be crushed by a giant woman, theres literally no such thing, you're mentally ill and need help
I believe it was murder because many things can be a fantasy, thinking you want something until it actually happens that’s the gap. We don’t know if she ever changed her mind during the acts. That alone makes it murder because would he really say oh and she changed her mind after I inserted the knife, however in her emails she said keep going even if I say stop…. Consent can be withdrawn at anytime.
How could anyone copyright strike your videos?? That's absolutely crazy first of all. This case is strange as well. I don't like to speculate on what someone thinks so I don't really have a comment for this case, except be safe people. ❤ this channel!!!
Damn, no wonder you get demonetized for some things on here.. Great coverage but sadly this is the only way i could support you, no disposable income to throw at several patreon crap things (even though yours isn't crap) but its nice to see you about more and still uploading. Thanks to those who can afford to support too. I'm unironically strangled by debt and depression lol
I don't think you can consent to a violation of your own rights, especially something as irrational as a violent murder. She was not in her right mind.
You do such a good job with your research and presentation, you never lose my attention and I drift easily. It bothers me that she hid her "activites" from her mate, she involved herself into a dark world where the probability of coming close to danger is high.
In sane circles, having a fantasy centered around dying is called suicidal ideation... Even if she did consent, in the strictest definition, it was still murder. I briefly heard about this woman from my ex-who was VERY into some of the extreme kinks listed, and even desperately wanted to get ME into them despite being asexual- but I never knew the entire story. Gave me bad vibes then, and it looks like I was right. I feel for her- I've attempted to off myself 7 separate times in my life, and at one point things DID cross over with kink fantasy. I had some very, very kind online friends in the kink circles I was in who convinced me to get HELP, like normal, sane people. Safe, Sane, Consentual. Kink should be enriching, not a gateway to true inhuman depravity and suicidality. This sucks.
Is the crazy hard work in the room with us right now? It's mostly lightly edited police interrogations with little bits of commentary at the beginnings and ends. It's not exactly far from derivative.
I swear you guys did this one, but I must have listened to another channel's coverage of it around the time I started listening to yours. As always, great, neutral delivery that keeps a focus on the known facts.
props for using original, non clickbait titles. true crime channels are notorious for that crap, i hate it. plus, i cant easily tell if ive watched so thats a double whammy
The Chilling and Mysterious Case of a Parent's Worst Nightmare
"like" every video you watch. That way you know if you've seen it before.
@@dextermorgan1they mean they can tell if they’ve watched a video on the same specific case before, not if they’ve seen the same video twice
What, you don't like watching "When A Killer Realizes He's Been Caught" part 500?
"When X discovers Y did the unthinkable"
"The most disturbing/gruesome/horrid/macabre/shocking/dreadful/... case covered in this channel"
Uk law changed recently. You cant use accidental suffocation in sex as a defence anymore as there were too many cases of women being murdered and “an accident during sex” being given as an excuse. Not no more!
That's so fucking gross dude. How do you accidentally kill somebody during sex? No, man........ Why did anybody ever accept that?
That's great news, thank you for sharing!
It's terrible since it's takes 20 minutes of full force to kill someone, and sad that "partners" go that way instead of anything better
I’m surprised it took that long 💀
@@rjunxiYou don’t. These men didn’t kill the women in an accident. I
They murdered them willingly, thinking they can get away with this excuse. But not anymore 🙅♀️
The consent to own murder was somewhat tested in the UK with a bizarre case involving two teen friends. One of them pretended to be a third person and convinced the other teen to murder his friend (actually himself). The murder didn't happen but when the truth of it came out the first guy was convicted of procuring a murder - his own.
Caught coverage on that one. That was absolutely insane.
Wow. Name?
That's the most British thing I've heard today...
@@SportsandTrueCrimeThe boys are mark and john of Manchester. I highly recommend the casefile podcast episode on them.
@@ArgentIcon yes mate! 😁
"Like a GIANT sexual fem-bot in a bikini, crushing your town... could you imagine the economic implications of this? Anyways"
That was a great line 😂😂
One reason I love this guy is because he sounds so very serious 99% of the time, and then he says something like that and it is just so awesome.
1:23 what’s with the giant wiener in a box popping out towards her face?
The giant dong 4:47 ?
AGREED 😂
Recommended case: Kenneth Bluew. The cop who killed his pregnant mistress (who wasn’t even going to make him a part of the baby’s life since he already had a family) and tried to make it look like a suicide. And his fellow cops who sensed something suspicious and investigated him anyways.
I’ll never forget the family members who took one look at the printed ‘suicide note’ and said: It was printed. We knew immediately it wasn’t from her and we didn’t even read it. If she had written one, it would have been handwritten with a sparkly pen and each of us would have gotten our own letter.
Plus, Kenneth’s sister was ridiculously delusional and refused to believe the DNA evidence made him guilty.
It's ridiculous how long it took them to finally charge him. It was incredibly obvious that he did it, and he was seen on the apartment camera just before the time they believed she was killed. Had it been a regular citizen instead of a cop they'd have charged immediately. I'm glad she and her family finally got some justice.
It’s insane how many pregnant women get murdered
RIP Sandra
@@lindseyyoung9149 I don’t remember that… I don’t think it took a ridiculous amount of time…
Sounds like a dope case I hope they cover it
even if it’s consensual that doesn’t magically make it legal. most ppl do drugs consensually but it’s still illegal, you can claim someone asked you to kill them but you still killed them which is illegal
Right, it's like with minors. Even if you could convince a cop that the kid fully understood what it was consenting to, it's still illegal to sleep with minors, so you're going to jail either way, consent or not.
I'm 99% positive there's a few cases where the victim sought out their killer and they all did prison time.
I don't think "is it legal" was ever a question. The question is what *kind* of crime it is, not "is it a crime."
@@bugbreadthe question was can you consent lol. The crime is murder.
No point in adding the ambiguity of did they or didnt they consent
I think of it like sex, you can send hundreds of emails talking about how you intend to have sex with someone, but when you’re actually in that situation your mind might change and you revoke consent. We’ll never really know but I think it’s still murder.
Maybe, it's a situation to not put yourself in to begin worth.
@@brandyyolidio4213victim blaming is crazy. You never know what people are going through
@@brandyyolidio4213 And while that is perhaps a point to be made about this case, in terms of sex, it's something you are allowed to say no to even when you are standing in front of the person you agreed to have sex with. Consent works like that.
@@oren1305Yeah of course. Nobody said you couldnt revoke consent. The question is why would you do something like that? Why not just .. not do it?
I would never go down this rabbithole otherwise, but since we're talking about it... perhaps you could video record the whole thing, to show that even until their last moment, the person was consenting and didn't change their mind? I mean, the whole thing is sick, but once you've gone that far, videotaping it isn't beyond the pale..
this is genuinely one of the absolute best true crime channels out there. thank yall for all your work and the care you put into these videos.
Dreading and JCS are both fantastic
And EWU. Top 3 for sure.
@@xt2843yeah, them too
Oh come on!
No That Chapter fans here?!
Let's give it a goo! 🙋♀️
Dreading and Rotten Mango are my go-tos?
The fact that he didn't report the accidental death really does add to the case. If it was consensual or an accident, and he really believed he did nothing (intentionally) wrong, the reflex to hide it makes it suspicious.
I imagine there's probably enough email evidence back and forth that could determine if that's what Sharon wanted to happen? Perhaps this was all discussed beforehand. I'm not brave enough to submit the FOIA and read through all the emails to say one way or the other though.
or maybe he knew that it being consensual was still against the law. and didnt want to get in trouble.
Eh he probably just didn't want to be known as a cannibal lmfao
@vamp2250 I must have missed that, he ate part/s of her?
@@vamp2250 he ate her??
I’m also amazed at how quickly this is where the internet went
Unfortunately, it allowed the most depraved of every area the ability to connect and convince themselves that what they desired is somehow "normal".
*Internet
P*rn has always been a huge driver of technology. Using a credit card on the internet is basically a thing because of P*rn websites. Also, Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD - p*rn went with Blu-Ray as their standard, which killed HD-DVD dead.
im glad your pfp is a carabiner clip..for a second i thought it was a huge fish hook in your hand and i got queasy. 😵
Humans have always been horny and weird 😂
oh man..........THIS is why i'm always game to hear your take on a case i've already learned about: you take the time to actually illustrate the person sharon was. it's really easy for us to get lost in her fixation on violence and pain, but before there was "nancy carlsen" making whatever videos men requested, there was an ambitious young girl whose only offered prospect in life was to be as well-behaved as possible and spend her life stagnating. with that reminder, and the knowledge that her parents won't even fkn CLAIM her anymore, i honestly can't blame her for wanting to die. it's so much easier to just look at sharon as some deranged, depraved deviant, rather than an isolated woman who hated being alive and only felt a sense of control in her own life by choosing to endure pain. it's tough to say whether sharon might still be alive if she'd gotten psychological help, because we don't have any way of knowing how receptive she might have been or whether she really even wanted someone to save her. her death instinct ultimately became so much stronger than her survival instinct that i'm not certain she would have even wanted to be saved.
another mark on the board for the insecure attachment industrial complex, i guess. i hope sharon is finally at peace.
Such good points and a very insightful comment, thank you.
In many of these cases where somebody has a "death wish" fantasy that some monster online or through a newspaper decides to fulfil (like in the Armin Meiwes case), the victim is always somebody who has very vulnerable mental health. They are taken advantage of by sadists who think that the consent of a mentally sick person is enough to commit an atrocity. Unfortunately, there are many people in society who do not know the difference between a severely mentally unstable individual "consenting" to something that will hurt them or even kill them, and a well-adjusted adult consenting to something that isn't nearly as harmful.
Too many people think that if somebody is an addict, they deserve the worst of fates. Why is this? So many addicts are people with mental health issues and rough upbringings. They are to be pitied and helped. Society hates addicts unless those addicts can act, or sing, or paint very well, then suddenly they are national treasures. The hypocrisy is awful.
In Germany, it is illegal to sign a contract with somebody who is deeply and obviously mentally disturbed and who does not have a representative that has their best interests at heart. The contract would be treated as void, same as if you were to sign a contract with an un-represented minor, or with somebody obviously inebriated or stoned.
Nevertheless, people do this everyday, scamming those who are mentally or physically disabled, or inebriated, or young. And despite all these laws in place to prevent this kind of thing, society shames the victims first and foremost and lets the scammers get away most of the time. For instance, legally, any kind of sex where one person is sober and the other is very intoxicated is by definition rape. And yet, every time this kind of situation gets brought up in court or even in conversation, almost everybody treats the victim as somebody who was capable of consenting, and the whole thing is thrown out of court and viewed as definitely not-rape, even though it definitely is. What a backwards world this is.
I feel horrible for her husband!
@@power-of-overdrive- so very thoughtful… thank you for your comment.
she was a scammer from the beginning.. Targeting children for "psychic" readings, as an example...hassling her real life friends for her cheap trinket books? Scammer. Then she dived into her pervs beyond using others financially.
Vile. Preying on underdeveloped kids who wanted love and money. I just wish she had gotten help instead of doing all this deranged shit. It's not that easy but.. Fuck.
I was obsessed with her case for ages and she is so insanely underreported on. Thank you so much for this
It’s not really something people care to report on because it was just two consenting adults. It’s a curiosity more than a case that required a lot of investigating and with a victim and perpetrator. There was a perpetrator but not really a victim and certainly not a victim that will have people’s sympathy.
Reminds me of the "Cannibal Cafe" case years ago where the guy consented to have himself killed and consumed by someone else, and they recorded the whole thing as proof that he was compliant. The guy who did the act is Armin Meiwes, and the guy who he consumed was named Bernd Brandes. This took place in Gernamy (shocker, huh?) back in 2001. He was originally convicted of manslaughter and only given 8.5 years, he was later retried for murder and sentenced to life. The funny thing is that he's now a vegetarian. I guess the whole experience left a bad taste in his mouth.
Was this the case with the pig pseudonyms for who eats the other one?
I thought about that one too! I believe they made a movie based on the incident.
That's what I was thinking as well
@lisapilot2895 they made a movie?! Do you know what it's called? I'd like to look it up 😄
or it tastes so good that normal meat just tastes too disapointing afterwards 🤣
You brought the best possible moral out of this story. Please please begging yall do not engage in breath play unless BOTH of you are informed in how to do so safely and what to do if something goes wrong.
One must also consider. The murderer can consent to murdering, and consciously the murdered may have consented to death, but the human body tries to preserve itself any way it can until death regardless of what someone wants. It is autonomous of our wishes. It is hard to know, as we will never be in someone else’s mind in their final moments. We are barely in our own in that moment for ourselves. Death by its very nature I feel is so overwhelming an experience it takes the ability to consent away. Even as someone like Sharon objectively, if she was in fact a suicidal masochist, I am not capable of consenting to be murdered because I am not in my right mind. It seems like a paradox. A really sad one.
You bring up things that are often ignored in this case, thank you for that. As a psychologist with a speciality in transitive experiences around death, you are absolutely right. The moments leading up to death are a completely different experience from the rest of someone’s life.
Ive no doubt she changed her mind in that final ordeal - just like the people who leap to their deaths. Survivors of jumpingnoff golden syate bridge say they changed their minds on the way down
people who go to great lengths to make sure their suicide is successful, still fight in their final moments.
I’ve nearly kicked the bucket 5 times now.
Twice traumatic blood loss and 3 times ketoacidosis leading to ALL SORTS of gross nonsense.
I’ve also been depressed and sxicidal off and on since I can remember.
Believe me, when you’re right there and you’re going you don’t want to anymore.
The will to survive is phenomenally strong. Even if you think you don’t want to and the pain and panic is excruciating you still battle on.
All my docs and nurses, bless them all, can’t believe I’m still around and say I’m like a cat with nine lives.
I’m not a religious person but I’m not sxicidal anymore after my experiences because, for whatever crappy reason, I now believe I’m here for a reason.
I can’t help having feelings of being down sometimes, especially around lady time, but I no longer want to cause myself deliberate harm.
Humans are weird 🤷🏻♀️
Thanks for your intelligent perspective.
This reminds me of a personal experience. I knew a woman that liked being choked during sex. The issue was she wanted the choking to go all the way. No pretending, no stopping when she passed out... She believed knowing she's going to die would possibly give her the best O she'd ever have. It was very hard to wrap my mind around the fact that it wasn't just fantasy for her. She completely cut me off when I was "too much of a bitch" (her words) to give her what she desires. I always wanted to believe it was just a fantasy and she'd "tap" out when the choking went too far. This was well over 10yrs ago and I havent heard from her since she cut me off... Watching this now, there's a huge knot in my stomach. And I feel immense dread. These death fantasies are actual fetishes that people want to be carried out. This one made me feel sick.
I had this problem with someone I consider "the love of my life that got away"
It was to that extent but with knives too, it made me so uncomfortable and when I couldn't do it I was cut off completely, I still think about it sometimes.
Like, how someone gets to that point. Idk it's strange to me.
Edit: We reconnected recently on Facebook after ten years and she's turned her life around however she moved to another state and I've gone through some very deep changes with my own life
But, I sit and think about how things could have maybe worked out differently if we learned to help one another but I guess you can't help others only yourself
I was glad they were gone back then but now as I've gotten older I constantly think about how things could have turned out differently
@@CaptainHowdy-r1f its gut wrenching knowing that they could have very well met someone who had zero issue carrying it out. I hope it was just an infatuation with extreme bdsm. But this video just drove that stake of unsure a little deeper
@@CaptainHowdy-r1f wow that's pretty extreme...
How do you have the best orgasm ever if you're passed out and not awake to feel it?
@@williamp.5870 this is pretty relevant actually, ironically the end result is the fantasy as along.
Please never stop making youtube videos. They are incredibly well written and easily the best true crime channel out there.
What Sharon wanted is irrelevant to what Robert did. Decent human beings do not use someone else's suffering to their iwn advantage. Sick. It's just wucked.
Yes, and thankyou for stating this. Sharon may have been roleplaying, or following a kink, or looking for paying clientele, or enjoying some out-there online chat. No matter which, she deserves no death sentence. Some people enjoy a little choking during sex, and that has been used as an excuse for DV perpetrators. However, the laws in my country (Australia, as of 2019) now reflect that sexual choking cannot be used as defense by anyone who strangles a person to death.
“The house was a GODDAMN mess!” 😂 The way you said that made me laugh.
Some relief from the dark subject.
Me too!
This is one of the few true crime channels I can watch on here. It focuses of the victim not just the perpetrator. Very respectful, and well mannered coverage.
I love it when you do cases I’ve not heard of, thank you
"Glass was found dead of a heart attack in prison on February 20, 2002, one month before he was to finish his state sentence and begin his federal sentence."
Wow, the date in numbers is kinda weird
02-20-2002
I wonder if it means anything. Whole case is strange.
@@Pitoonyawhat could that mean?
Some people have the strangest lives.
I'm so glad mine is so boring
@@TAGMZs63Me too! I wish I wouldn’t have ever listened to this story! 😩So disturbing! What is wrong with these people?!
Now I’m no legal expert, but I really don’t want people who act on these kinds of fantasies to get away with no consequences. I am not sure if it’s murder, but he definitely deserves prison time.
Dreading I knew you would be the guy during a Kaiju attack to be like "BUT THE ECONOMY!"
Never thought I’d see an anime reference under this video
That was an increadibly heslthy and nuanced discussion of extreme kink. Didnt expect that from a true crime channel
This is one of the few channels that I think tastefully discusses violent and sexual content without delving into the exploitative or voyeuristic. It treats mature material delicately, and never implies adult sexuality is something shameful.
Its a very serious and deadly one that's why. Imo it's up there with consensual cannibalism.
@@toidIllorTAmIthey mean discussion of extreme kink in general, not specifically sharon wanting to be tortured to death
Wouldn't want to offend freaks 🙄
@@jellywillreturn a woman died for your "kink"
it is absolutely something shameful
It being consensual and sexual doesn’t make it not murder, suicidal or otherwise, she prompted him to kill her, and he had done it. He should have gone to jail for murder, because it IS murder
Your videos always take very good care of the victims and address nuance with delicacy and empathy, and I've always appreciated it. But this one goes above and beyond; I cannot express how warming it was to hear how gently you handled the heavy BDSM components of this while making sure to draw the line between what the community finds acceptable and what is outside the limits; so often situations like these tend to get painted in broad strokes that taint the image of the community, and not only did you go out of your way to not do that, you even explicitly stated that difference, and also advocated for safe play research - I don't think I've ever heard of any true crime researcher doing that and it's all so true - so much (safe) practice, prep and research goes into those sorts of scenes to keep them safe (when done correctly) and I've just never heard that acknowledged so well before - so, thank you. Thank you for handling this victim with the grace she deserves and for going above and beyond with your care for the community.
As for murder or not - this one is really hard for me. While on one hand, I'd want to argue it's never okay to help someone die, you should always try and help them even if they themselves want it - but then that gets into some medically-assisted suicide for terminally-ill folks that I wouldn't necessarily put into that same category. I think, with some nuance, in this case, no, it's not okay - in part because we can't confirm she was consenting through it all the way, but also if she really was, she should have gotten help instead. But thank you again for all your care and compassion.
I would think at some point she did want it to stop, there's no way the basic instinct of survival didn't kick in and her will to live didn't kick into overdrive. All round just a sad case
You would think so, but if you look at the case of Armin Meiwes, his victim consented and asked for his death till the very end. Although he was very mentally ill, having absorbed guilt from something his mother did, and feeling he needed to atone for her wrong doings.
Twin peaks shit.
I don't think anyone can truly consent to being murdered. The consent is coming from someone who most likely isn't sound of mind.
You cant read their mind. I dont think it should be legal but if youre an adult and aren't deemed unable to think properly for ypurself, you can consent to whatever you want
@@SilencedLamb69if you would consent to your own murder, then you aren’t in your right mind and legally aren’t capable of making decisions for yourself.
Assisted Suicide is basically what she is asking? It’s illegal in USA except Oregon?
@@SilencedLamb69not suicide
so no euthanasia, right
You cant consent to murde,r the same way a child cannot consent to s3x. So many killers get scot free because they claim the victim, who cannot talk, claims they wanted it. We don't know if she changed her mind and begged him to stop but he didn't, we will never know. Awful case.
My thoughts:
I think Robert should have been prosecuted even if he wasn't a predator. He said he killed Sharon by "accident", meaning her consent had not been given prior to her death. He then buried the body in the backyard, instead of calling the police. This showcases to me again, that he knew some wrong doing had happened, and he was trying to escape some form of taking responsibility for her death. To me it would have been at thr very least a manslaughter charge , given his narrative of it being an accidental death, and the fact we have evidence of her more extreme sexual fantasies and correspondences with Robert.
My boyfriend accidentally killed himself with autoerotic asphyxiation nearly 2 years ago.
Please PLEASE if that is your kink, don’t ever partake in it alone. Nobody deserves to find their loved one the way that I found him, and no mother ever deserves to bury her own child. Rest in peace, Gabe. I miss you everyday.
You gotta be playing
I'm so sorry. It's also a very embarrassing way to find someone imo. I was introduced to this kink by hearing about parties that supervised this kink. RIP.
this is so tragic, im so sorry for your loss. i really cant imagine. i hope you're healing ❤️🩹
I’m so sorry for your loss, I hope you’re doing okay
Yea that is rough
Bro, you gotta drop everything and give us updates on Sarah Boone trial. Your commentary is second to none!!!
Just go to TCL, he’s the best Boone source.
@@kman9884 what does TCL stand for ? Can't find a channel with that name. TIA x
@kman9884 yeah, whose TCL?
Also this guy's take on Boone makes what is totally unbearable (that is her entire self) and makes it bearable.
True Crime Loser
@@gillb8207thx
Oh, boy. I clicked so fast! This case has interested and haunted me for years. The movie based on it, "Downloading Nancy" albeit bleak and insular, is one I keep coming back to, as well. Difficult to watch but worth it, in my very humble opinion.
As for the question of murder: I think we will never truly know because we don’t know definitively about her final moments. If she changed her mind, if she struggled against that rope, if he just went ahead with the act regardless of her desires. It's a complex event. I think she clearly participated in her demise, but to what extent? Knowing that Glass had other dark motivations of a criminal nature just muddies the waters here. Thank you for this piece - thought-provoking without sensationalism.
I like that movie too. The adaptation is more interesting to me than the real story tho. Nothing has ever been made in film like it.
20:24 - Why did you say "g*ddamn mess" like that 😭
Cause they had to look at some gross pictures I'm guessing
I’m crying lmaoooo
He sounded like my mom when I was a teenager
😂😂😂😂 I love it when he gets snarky
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Never thought I'd see consent and murder in the same sentence. Crazy.
Reminds me of the armin mewes case.
It's called assisted suicide.
@@theincrediblefella7984 This implies that assisted suicide is murder tho. It isn't.
@@cakes6537 what is it
@@cakes6537 Depends on which kind of murder (moral, legal) and where it happens. Not all assisted suicides are cases of murder, on that I would agree. There are places where it is legal, and not every instance is immoral.
Ah yes, this one...I'm certain you absolutely cannot consent to your own murder, and even if there isn't explicitly law directly addressing it specifically, no one sane would consider that a "with sound mind" desire. And someone willing to do it, like this guy, is *insanely* likely to be a danger.
Eh, don't think you can call this a murder.
Prison is supposed to be for handing out justice, correct? She literally said please don't prosecute the man if her body is found.
@@Site17 Eh, we can't be certain it's not either, and I was answering the question in the title, not if this event was legally murder. Regardless, the point is to question if her "consenting" to it is even legally possible, so it doesn't matter what she said. Even if we're willing to believe his story that it was an accident, which I don't but also suggests the possibility that she didn't "consent" to that element, that would be manslaughter.
@@mlk0-0 With something like this the guy isnt just someone "Willing to do it." You know he had to the opposite need for this to work.
Which means he was hunting on the internet to find somone who he could kill for his own gratifaction. Sex or no sex doesnt even matter at that point. Cleary a murderous mind and like you said insanely likely to be a danger.
Just found this... Yes he is dangerous: "police discovered child sexual exploitation material in Glass's home, leading to additional charges"
Those kids couldnt consent. Clearly Glass doesnt actually care about consent.
Which opens up the sad possibility that she DID back out but he STILL went trough with it. But we can never know. Only he could. But hes also dead now.
@@StopmotionStudios13 I think the exact same. Mentioned it in someone else's comment that possessing CSAM and the fact that *his* desire was to kill someone, I'm not believing 1) that it was an accident and 2) that she was 100% for it all throughout.
@mlk0-0 Exactly.
I dont buy him saying it was an accident either.
For starters, why not seek medical help if it was an accident. Surely you would realize the 900 pages of mail doesnt really help the accident story if you dont treat it like an accident.
But even regardless of that. To me it feels off because it exposes something.
Her dying in an accidental way shouldnt matter if he believed in his own "doing it with someone who wants to die makes it okay" theory.
He knew the evidence would say she wanted it. There were 900 pages after all.
If he thought that was his way of doing it "legally". Then why not follow through with that theory. Why frame it as an accident at that point.
Maybe because he knew what he way doing was murder.
And if he knew it was murder. He should be sentenced for murder.
"judge placed a gag order" lol
U stop that 😆
A Christian Electrician. Say that 5 times fast.
A Christian Electrician. A Cwisten Electish… I give up.
Bonus points if you already have issues pronouncing stuff
That that that that that.
Irish Wristwatch
Don’t do it people. Let’s not forget what happened to that girl from Kansas and her dog Toto.
Tell your husband "I'll be back in a couple days".
Husband waits a week to start caring.😂
Sounds like she was a lovely wife who people miss dearly. Lmao.
She said "a few days", tho
I think about this case from time to time. Thank you for covering it so thoroughly.
The digging and research this channel does is amazing.. I’m from Europe and the way and pace you tell these stories makes them very easy to listen and understand as well.
I also love that you find stories that are not already over done too many times.
the thing with practicing bdsm/kink is the importance of RACK and SSC (risk aware consensual kink and safe sane consensual). it can be argued that wanting to die is a case of insanity in the literal sense, so it no longer falls under the typical hounds of consent. as any active members of the bdsm community know, it is incredibly vital for personal and community safety to be incredibly vigilant about practicing safe kink and being rigorous about consent. i find it hard to believe that any active respected member of the community would look at this case and declare it safe, sane, or consensual, or risk-aware. there’s a clear line between wanting to cause/experience pain or death during sex or other contained scenes and actually violating someone’s boundaries and straight up killing them. it’s called a conscience, and having morals. kink does not a killer make
i think it’s entirely likely that she started perusing intense sex sites as a way to profit off of them, and the prolonged exposure to violent pornography impacted her relationship with sex. very tragic
Bdsm community, just like China town? Lol
Maybe idiots would argue wanting to die is a case of insanity, that is true.
Vro is the sex defender
I am a professional dominatrix and thanks for addressing this. Plus many times I have to protect my clients from themselves.
I know you feel like you need to defend this “community”, but no amount of euphemistic or sanitized language can make it seem safer to anyone willing to regard it at face value. No offence.
Sex addiction is a real and often overlooked problem, and “communities” such as bdsm or kink only help those suffering from their fixations, and addictions to become further entrenched in them.
4:19 I know this is a serious video......but did anyone else find themselves giggling at "we put a filter on it" ?🙋🏽♀️😅 Just me?..ok
I actually emailed yall about this case a while back and I was shook 🤯seeing it as a new episode! I think yall did well explaining this case. I stumbled upon this case years ago and noticed how very few crime channels or podcasts covered it. This case always intrigued me for many reasons and left me wondering why. Overall, I think yall did a great job with the breakdown of this case and handled it in the way that dreading does best!
I cannot imagine she actually enjoyed any of it. Sure, she thought she would have, but three days of being tortured? I feel like she would have been trying to back out, but we will never know
@@LeAnnBurnz That's my thing. It's not impossible or even that uncommon to think you want something, but then you start to get it and second guess or even completely change your mind. And unless what could be determined she suffered directly matched up with specifically what was in the emails and *only* what was in the emails, it's hard to believe and impossible to prove she didn't change her mind.
@@mlk0-0 I agree. To me, It doesn’t matter how masochistic a person may be, especially when it was stated he was putting foreign objects inside of her that were leaving cuts and was doing that for days on end. I feel like no one can endure THAT level of pain and want it to continue. I can’t imagine she wasn’t begging him to stop and he just didn’t listen
@@LeAnnBurnz Absolutely, and considering that this guy wasn't just someone willing to "satisfy her fantasy", but also someone who, for himself, *wanted* to hurt and kill someone, it's very easy to believe she wanted it to stop and he just didn't. He had CSAM, that doesn't exactly scream someone who actually cares about consent.
@@mlk0-0 yup, exactly. He never intended to let her leave, even if she wanted to
@@LeAnnBurnz that is YOUR opinion though. I also cant believe people are so weird in t heir mind to want people to hit them with whips or anything to inflict pain which is absolutely against human nature to prevent pain. so each to their own.
I've been with you since the early days of your channel. It's awesome to see how far you have come! Sending love and light...🖤🧡
Thank you Dreading ❤ Its always a better day when you post us a new video.
(I also love when your narrator breaks character, it's always so perfect😂)
You're both appreciated.
Your voice is as smooth as silk. Glad u share it with us
the moral of this story being portrayed as “be careful during breath play” in this video, is absolutely insane 😭😭
It's long been established that one may not consent to being murdered. Also, one may not sell themselves into slavery.
Just as I wished there would be a dreading video up while I have my lunch, you post TY ❤️
Same!
Double same!
Triple same but with breakfast
I am always impressed by your very complete coverage of a subject. I felt a deep respect when you relayed information as to how a person could/should be more knowledgeable about autoerotic asphyxiation.
I've always been both fascinated and saddened by this case. So glad to see y'all are covering it!
Just when you think you’ve heard it all.
Thanks, Dreading. Your videos are a must-watch! 😊🇮🇪
Are we not going to talk about the child p*rnography? Why wasn’t he charged for that?!
He was. He was given an additional charge of 27 months for second degree minor exploitation.
Thank you from saving me from the boone trial ❤
Oh man, was watching live, but ultimately quit, it's just much more tedious than I expected considering the details of the trial.
Sarah Boone is enjoying this so much, I do not like her smiling all the time.
@@brandyyolidio4213I wonder if she’ll be smiling at sentencing
I had to stop watching after listening to the psychologist say Sarah had PTSD and didn't feel a diagnosis of narcissism was appropriate.
Today was tough 😪
probably the best crime channel ive come across. always new content, specific titles, storyline is structured. thank you
These videos are always so well done. We appreciate you.
lol I always feel like a bot posting such generic positive comments but they’re true
😂 I know EXACTLY what you mean! I do the same thing! 😂❤
Agreed! I don't know what else to say though. These vids raise the bar for all true crime channels. Thanks, brothers ❤️
Until he has his little bitch fits of emotion instead of simply laying out the facts of the case.
Sounds like something a bot would apologize for...
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Exactly what a bot would say when they become aware. Run people, run! There’s no unplugging it!
Your channel is the only one that I have consistently supported on Patreon. I love your approach to covering cases. You're so informative while remaining respectful to the victims. I'm so glad you're getting the support you deserve! Keep up the great work, guys 🥰
oh CRAP i wasn't expecting you to cover this case!!!!! would you be willing to follow this up with some insight into the cannibal café? ik people tend to compare robert glass with armin maeves but armin strikes me as a very different, considerably more complicated case, especially considering the fact that he wasn't a pdf file \':
the two cases are always interesting to analyze in comparison, for sure
I am endlessly fascinated by this case. I appreciate you covering this!
12:09 Imagining economic ramifications IS my kink.
Its always a tightrope talking about these kinds of subjects and you walked it beautifully. This is such an interesting and tragic case and I think you handled it with respect for both the victim's agency and the reality of her death. There were a lot of places one could drag her for her choices, but you, always, kept it professional and stuck to the facts (like the economic consequences of allowing Gaintesses to run rampant!). Always love your vids, this one was well worth the wait!
You must cover Colonel Russel Williams, with updates since he's been imprisoned
Oh yeah that’s a good one. It was so strange how he stood in the exact same stance in everyone of the pics with the other lady’s undergarments.
I wondered if he was gay but his upbringing and lifestyle forced him to bury his urges and hide them, ultimately creating a fantasy that led him to stealing panties and doing anything to hide it. Yikes man, humans are weird.
It’s certainly a one of a kind case, but it’s really been covered by every single true crime channel, so I’m not sure if they would bother with it. It’s been like 15 years since his crime spree ended, so I’m sure there’s some interesting updates. If you haven’t watched it yet, I would highly recommend checking out Matt Orchard’s documentary, it’s best one out there imho.
What’s new with him in prison?
Yeah…weird man for sure!😂
My jaw dropped when you mentioned the child stuff in his house 🤢 so disgusting I wonder if she knew he was into that as well and if so .. she was just as sick as he was. Im relieved to know he won’t be able to harm any children as that’s what that stuff eventually leads to from what I’ve seen
you've not seen much then
@@zielona_fI’ve seen plenty to know how screwed the human race is, thanks
I have a feeling she had to have seen it and it doesn’t sound like it would have bothered her. Hate to say it but I don’t feel sorry for this lady. She sounded like a bad person with the scams she was running and then being a degenerate didn’t help her case. Such slimy gross people. I feel bad to not feel sorry for her, but…🤢
@@Jls728Absolutely agreed. And considering all the wild nasty stuff these two were talking about/what she was advertising I’m SURE he must’ve brought it up at some point to her. Just all around disgusting. I’m an empathetic person but in this case it’s really hard to feel sorry for someone this depraved.
Honestly, If you are so messed up to have such extreme fetishes, are you even human anymore?
The survival instinct is the most basic, central instinct in the human psyche, in many ways it drives all other instincts. Anyone who expresses a wish to die is not mentally sound and needs help. She was not terminally ill and in constant pain, she was not a 90 year old just “ready to go”. She was a woman who needed help and he exploited her.
Just want to say thanks for all the hard work ya’ll do. Solid coverage every time. Im sure alot of us are looking forward to your coverage on Sarah Boone’s trial. Jfc its insane.
I love your videos man. You're always so sensitive and never demonise communities that doesn't deserve it.
Your scripts are perfection
So I have mental illness and autism, and I've been taken advantage of by people because of my self hatred in the past. Consensual you know, but it wasn't right. When someone is sick like that they can't advocate for themselves fully, they need a hospital with people who care. They don't need people to hurt them just because they don't care enough about themself to stop it, or hate themself enough to consent to it. That's just my thought. That's taking advantage of someone who doesn't fully have a grasp on reality and that's wrong, they're vulnerable and need to be handled with care.
Kinksters will argue that it was perfectly within the person that abused you's right to abuse you, and that they were just "having fun".
Kink is often just somebody abusing someone in a vulnerable mental position, or getting off on somebodies past abuse history and calling it "therapeutic" to relive sexual assault scenarios.
It's horrible and it's psychological sexual abuse (as well as physical), and if you try to call it out you're immediately labeled a "kinkshamer" and a "prude" by these abusers and their mentally ill codependant partners.
@@alexbush714 yeah due to my past I was into some rough stuff, I consented cause I was reliving a bunch of trauma and it felt right to my traumatized brain. And if I ever tried to say no or anything, they wouldn't really listen and would get upset. I know that's not what a respectful dominant person would do so I understand when kinksters say that's not what normally happens, but it happens a lot more than I think anyone really realizes. When they tried to hurt me outside of the bedroom and I tried to defend myself they'd be frustrated or confused, and tell me that I liked it so I shouldn't fight back. that's when I realized I needed to step back from the kink community for a pretty long time. I engage in lighter activities now with someone who is very very kind and gentle with me. She doesn't want to hurt me at all and established a more dominant position in the relationship only after a few years of knowing her, when I was truly comfortable with her presence and when she knew and had developed compassion for my past and the trauma I had suffered, and I knew and trusted her to handle me with care.
Even if I give her permission for certain things she won't do it because she is gentle and really cares about me and my mental state. It's a lot different than anything I've experienced in the past and I think this is what an appropriate kinky relationship should be like. She is very very very conscious and gentle and won't do anything to hurt me even if I told her she could in the past. I actually feel really safe with her. that's when I realized that I needed to find people that know they could take advantage of me, but instead choose not to because they genuinely care about me
Kink is really weird to establish boundaries on because the whole thing about it, is sexual deviancy. Different people have different extremes, and I found people whose extremes seemed to revolve around hurting me especially when I revoked consent
Like someone else mentioned in the comments, it seemed like she was severely depressed and had suicidal ideation that mixed in with her kinks. Being as severely ill as she was, it makes sense that she did what she did but no I don’t think anyone can consent to their own murder because murder by definition is something you can’t consent to and if you do consent to it, you probably should be admitted.
As someone into some pretty heavy kinks, I don’t picture being killed and that terrifies me. The BDSM community strives to provide consent no matter what and this would not fly, that’s why so many people stopped talking to her when they figured she was serious.
There are so many weird/dangerous kinks that people can role play. Like, abduction is a surprisingly common fantasy... But there is a controlled setting, the abducted party gets to rescind consent if they need or want to, the abductor can rescind consent if they need or want to, & importantly, IT'S NOT PERMANENT LIKE DEATH IS.
In an ethical kink situation, there are no consequences beyond maybe some superficial injuries, an unintended trauma trigger, or the fact that others might give someone a side-eye if they talk about it in mixed company. Lol
@@ZijnShayatanica exactly!! There are limits even for the dangerous kinks.
@@ZijnShayatanicano that is not healthy at all
I recall a horrifying case on Reddit where a chic enjoyed the feeling of suffocation so a dude, put her inside a gigantic like rubber bag, like the ones you use to store clothing, blankets etc when not in use. She consented and they had discussed the safe signal that she would use to let him know when she had had enough. She was to move her hand a certain way I think. So when he gets her in and starts the process of removing the air, a 2nd dude shows up and although she was doing everything in her power to move her hand, which was like unmoveable due to there being no air or room, she was thrashing with a terrifying look on her face, mouth open, almost nudging eyes and the whole time, the men where calling her names and enjoying her total fear and the thrill of knowing her life was in their hands and she could do nothing about it!!!! They eventually let her out and she was almost like a zombie…..I will never get that image out of my mind, truly disturbing!
MAJORITY of incounters Ive had with kinks or the bdsm community NONE OF IT IS CONSENUAL OR WITH CONSENT
This case is so fascinating, thank you for covering it!
Your introduction of Sharon was so warm and real, it was emotionally evocative knowing that she is no longer with us. She sounds like such a vibrant woman, a cool person to grab a beer with.
Ah yes… a vibrant woman to have a beer and watch cp with lol y’all defend women even if they’re absolutely evil.
Whew, I had to turn the volume down on this one, while cooking dinner for the family 😂
So sweet to have a safety tip at the end of the video, too! ✨
"Could you imagine the economic implications of this?"
Literally lol, in public no less.
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The whole giantess thing is crazy to me
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As someone who does have it I can understand why people don't like it or understand it but I think many will agree there is far more disgusting things lol
My girlfriend finds it erotic because it's supposed to be empowering for women, in its essence it's female dominance and so that's about as best as I can explain it lol
@@SLUSHIE2000 Wtf, and to be so insane to spin it into somehow being empowering? literally what the fuck
@SLUSHIE2000 you really need to keep that weird demented shit to yourself, you want to be crushed by a giant woman, theres literally no such thing, you're mentally ill and need help
@@SLUSHIE2000 its honestly a shame someone like you has a girl friend
I'm so proud of you two brothers dreading!!! I look forward to every single video, your lovely voice and humor.
thank you dreading! absolutely love ur channel
This is the best crime channel on TH-cam. Love these :)
I believe it was murder because many things can be a fantasy, thinking you want something until it actually happens that’s the gap. We don’t know if she ever changed her mind during the acts. That alone makes it murder because would he really say oh and she changed her mind after I inserted the knife, however in her emails she said keep going even if I say stop…. Consent can be withdrawn at anytime.
How could anyone copyright strike your videos?? That's absolutely crazy first of all. This case is strange as well. I don't like to speculate on what someone thinks so I don't really have a comment for this case, except be safe people.
❤ this channel!!!
Love your channel and all your content!! I was pleasantly surprised to see a new video from you!!
As always, very well done! Such a sad story.
Wow! That was a hella episode and it was very well done. Thank you!
Damn, no wonder you get demonetized for some things on here.. Great coverage but sadly this is the only way i could support you, no disposable income to throw at several patreon crap things (even though yours isn't crap) but its nice to see you about more and still uploading. Thanks to those who can afford to support too. I'm unironically strangled by debt and depression lol
One of the first cases that really shocked me. Thank you for covering it!
Thank you again, Dreading!
i absolutely love how monotone ur outbursts are and the witty jokes you weave into discomforting topics. this is why i have you subscribed.
I don't think you can consent to a violation of your own rights, especially something as irrational as a violent murder. She was not in her right mind.
You do such a good job with your research and presentation, you never lose my attention and I drift easily.
It bothers me that she hid her "activites" from her mate, she involved herself into a dark world where the probability of coming close to danger is high.
In sane circles, having a fantasy centered around dying is called suicidal ideation... Even if she did consent, in the strictest definition, it was still murder. I briefly heard about this woman from my ex-who was VERY into some of the extreme kinks listed, and even desperately wanted to get ME into them despite being asexual- but I never knew the entire story. Gave me bad vibes then, and it looks like I was right. I feel for her- I've attempted to off myself 7 separate times in my life, and at one point things DID cross over with kink fantasy. I had some very, very kind online friends in the kink circles I was in who convinced me to get HELP, like normal, sane people. Safe, Sane, Consentual. Kink should be enriching, not a gateway to true inhuman depravity and suicidality. This sucks.
You guys are the most down to earth, no bullsh!+. Much love ❤
Fun fact: “Lopatka” means “small shovel” in Czech, which is cute since he was a blue collar worker
I love the shorter video’s! Thankyou!
You guys work crazy hard. Thanks
meh
Is the crazy hard work in the room with us right now? It's mostly lightly edited police interrogations with little bits of commentary at the beginnings and ends. It's not exactly far from derivative.
Are they bricklayers in their normal jobs?
I swear you guys did this one, but I must have listened to another channel's coverage of it around the time I started listening to yours. As always, great, neutral delivery that keeps a focus on the known facts.
20:24 "The house was a *gah dam* mess."
That was so out of left field that I laughed my ass off when I heard it.😂
I live by these videos, very well researched and voice narration.
This is deff a crazy one and truly makes you think.. did she really?? One will never truly know..